Does witchcraft work /x/? Have you completed spells? I would

>>18131185

>Does witchcraft work /x/?

It does, but you first have to understand how magic works if you want the desired results.

>>18131219
How does magic work?

>>18131221
do not desire results.

Yes, just think of how meme-magic works. It's a collective consciousness focusing on the same desired result and for some reason or another the universe seems to make it happen.

All the different forms of magic work on the same principle - focus on intent on a desired result. The different forms of magic and witchcraft just have different methods on how to focus your attention to obtain a goal. Basically, the different principles have different methods of focusing your or your group's willpower, but it all ultimately works the same.

>>18131221
Even the fundamentals are incredibly hard to understand. Also, I can't say as I am already teaching someone and it's even hard to teach him the intricacies of it all. But, magic is for the advanced learners.

Something you might want to avoid if you aren't fully committed.

>>18131239

That's not true at all. Magic isn't some secret forgotten art. If you pray to god for something good to happen, then you are performing a ritual. You are using your willpower to help the universe provide a desired result.

The methodologies may differ greatly depending on what you practice, but everyone preforms some form of magic. If you desire for something to happen, then you are performing a magic ritual. Wishing to get a better job - performing magic. Praying to a god/goddess for help - preforming magic.

Magic doesn't mean making tables levitate and communicating with the dead. That's silly.

>>18131249
so magic cant make my dick bigger?

>>18131249
>>18131249

>That's not true at all. Magic isn't some secret forgotten art. If you pray to god for something good to happen, then you are performing a ritual

That's not magic per-say. Basically that's worship of other God-like beings into giving you your wishes in exchange for favors.

But, now there is several types of magic. Those who ask beings well beyond them for favors or boons. Or ones who legitimately practice magic without the strings.

>>18131249
>Wishing to get a better job - performing magic. Praying to a god/goddess for help - preforming magic.
>Implying that wishing to take a good shit - performing magic.

But magick is not anything. Real magick is complex yes sir.
This smells like masturbator to sigils shit.

>>18131264
>>18131264
Fix'd

But, NO there is several types of magic.

Also, the magic you're talking about is relatively small scale. I don't think you know about magic other than trying to gain favor with other beings.

>>18131265

Quite the contrary, I think sigils are bullshit. I also think the gods/goddesses are bullshit. But, I do believe that there is a strong connection between the universe and the individual consciousness.

Simplified, I think magic rituals are basically just a helping hand in using your consciousness/willpower to affect the universe - i guess sigils can help with that if they help direct your intent, but are by no means necessary.

If someone tells you that you need a certain set of tools to perform "magic", then they are full of shit. Unless, you are in a vegetative state, then you always have every tool you will ever need.

>>18131278
See, this is a very bad interpretation of magic. It sucks too, I would have been happy to teach you more about it. But, I don't have the mental will to do everything I am doing. I've taken on too much already.

I will however burn a little time here. I can tell you the more shallow points of magic. Ones that don't require a huge amount of explaining and going over. So shoot a question, if you want.

>>18131278
I'll tell you honestly. From my years of experience with Magick, I never saw a practitioner who perform great wonders without tools. Normally, those who staunchly defends the uselessness of tools usually can barely perform minor effects, with or without tools.

And I consider myself fairly privileged to have known 2 or 3 grand magicians. And I guarantee they were able to achieve effects that leave most of us puzzled. With tools.

Anyway, it's the same thing about the HGA. Usually those who defend a subjective HGA are those who do not have a magical diary written on the subject.

>>18131317
>>18131298
Are tools just something used to channel energy?

>>18131343

I don't get why these guys are sperging out over tool use desu. Yes, tools can help you direct focus/intent/energy, but that's it. A tool that is extremely useful to you is going to be completely useless to literally anyone else in the world.

The tool doesn't hold any power within itself unless it has significance to the practitioner. Hence, why sigil magic is complete and utter bullshit.

You can swipe some blade that belonged to a super-powerful magician, but it's going to be utterly useless to you.

>>18131317
what is the creepiest/craziest shit that they have done and you saw?

>>18131372

A lot of time magic results can appear to be luck, but I remember in college, my roommate could not catch a fucking break. Day after day, it was one thing after another with her. Her car would break down, she lost her job, someone got a hold of her bank card, and then she started going to these meetings out in some field. I don't know much about it, because she didn't talk about it and kind of just brushed people off when people who knew she was going asked about it. All we knew is, it was something having to do with witchcraft. And, no shit, like a month later, her life did a 180. She had a new job, won some trip to the Caribbeans in some raffle at a department store, no more problems with her car, and she just seemed to have endless luck.

It could have been all coincidence, but believe me when I say this girl was a hot mess at best before she started practicing whatever magic she was practicing.

>>18131396
To me, magic results in increased synchronicities, that's the only part that really seems to work for me.

>>18131367
>You can swipe some blade that belonged to a super-powerful magician, but it's going to be utterly useless to you.

Put every effect on magnetism, energy, talismans and planetary magic in the trash.
Magick isn't absolutely subjective. Any median magician can make a planetary talisman that works with anyone.

>>18131258
This is real life, dipshit. Not a cartoon.

>>18131414
so no?

you can tell a novice by how "complex" they think magick needs to be.

how complex something needs to be relies ENTIRELY on the belief of the performer. a master knows nothing is or needs to be complex. art, math, magick, doesn't matter. everything can be broken down to the barest of minimum and can be summed up in a nutshell.

it's why you can achieve the same results of a 2-hour ritual (with fancy clothes, daggers, blood, moon phases, coreographies, drawings and allucinations) by reading text from a piece of paper in 5 minutes.

a student believes in complexity. a teacher believes in simplicity.

>>18131449
You rekt the wizards in this thread

>>18131343
Yes, magic requires things like focusers and careful planning. An idiot with no understanding of how it works, bumbles recklessly through.

That is unless you don't want to advance into the more upper tier magical echelons. Otherwise it's frolicking through the forests with you, along with the other hippies praying to their pagan Gods.

Mano depende, qual magia ou bruxaria você quer conhecer relatos?

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>>18131449

>>18131449
>you can tell a novice by how "complex" they think magick needs to be.

It seems talk of someone with zero magical training and experience.

One of the major rituals of the Western Tradition, with the result is almost equal to the enlightenment of Eastern Tradition is the Ritual of Abramelin ... good luck to repeat the effect of the ritual that takes months only reading a paper in 5 minutes.

Just pay attention to the rest of nature. Auto mechanics can not repair aircrafts. Quadratic equations are not sufficient to solve Calculus. A simple mason does not equate to the work of an architect. It requires technique.

>how complex something needs to be relies ENTIRELY on the belief of the performer

That's why I see increasingly more experienced magicians then me saying that we are entering the great forgotten of magick, as we entered the great forgetting of astrology in the early 20th century.

The subjective belief is the most important magician tool, taking it, that's just a lot of new age nonsense you said there. Couple this with "you is the only teacher you need", "you do not need to learn anything from anyone else". And "self initiations", and you have a complete asshole.

Mano, na moral tem tanto IDIOTA aqui pensando que sabe algo sobre MAGIA, MANO acorda a magia contemporânea que você tanto querem aprender ou conhecer, não nenhum tipo de tradição aqui no Brasil. Quer conhecer? quer aprender? pesquisa livros, Ingleses etc, esse tipo de magia se expandiu na Europa no tempo da inquisição da igreja católica na EUROPA, não entendo como vocês acreditam em pessoas que acham que entende algo disso logo aqui.

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>>18131500
We are talking about real magick there. At Least use some authority who has some knowledge on the subject.

>>18131521
Copiou o lado errado do google traductor KEK

>>18131521
Astrum Argentum, Arcanum Arcanorum e Circulo Iniciático de Hermes mandou lembranças.

>>18131524
Just because a person does not specialize in the same subject doesn't mean the statement is invalid.

>>18131520
Even in the fields you mentioned, the basics could still be described in a concise and to the point manner.

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So for the completely uninitiated, what tangible effects has witchraft/magicks had for people in this thread and how were these effects obtained

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>>18131536
What "Einstein speaks" ITS NOT about the subject being simple, It's about explaining simply for those who do not understand the jargon. ONLY THAT. This does not take away the inherent complexity of the activity.

Within the context of the full quote, ""If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.", there is a great deal of truth. This does not mean that you can explain what you might know about quantum mechanics to a six year old (impossible), but it does mean that you should be able to explain it simply to someone with the requisite background to understand a simple explanation.

Example: I can explain Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction to a six year old (I did to my grandson. He said, "Cool."), but I cannot explain why to a six year old. I can do this because I do understand it well enough, but why is well beyond his ability to understand. To a high school senior I can do better on the why, to a 3rd year undergraduate I can get down and dirty and show him exactly why. However, in all cases it would still start with what I told to a six year old, because that level of understanding is a requirement of starting simple because I do understand it well enough.

Einstein was asked for a brief quote of what he won the Nobel for, and he said if it could be summarized in a sentence, it wouldn't be worth the prize. But when asked to explain the spin-statistics theorem in an undergraduate lecture in the 1960s-1970s (don't know when) he said he couldn't reduce it to the undergraduate level, so we don't understand it well enough. This seems to have motivated his 1986 Dirac lecture on the spin-statistics theorem.

This quote is not even right.

>>18131540
Read >>18131567

>>18131567
Please then give me an example of an explanation of occultism that you think is essential towards understanding the subject (or Thelema more specifically as per your quotation of Crowley)

>>18131185
You do know that "magic" is just technology that humans didn't (don't) understand yet, right?

>>18131577
Magick isnt your mah UFO hur dur. KEK

>>18131631
Magick isnt your mah UFO hur dur. KEK .

>>18131930
Sorry >>18131577 anon, this is to >>18131631.

>>18131221
Do your research. It would probably take a week to type out just the basics

>>18131958
Yeah, pretty much expected that response. You don't know shit.

What do you mean by work?

>>18132106
What the fuck do you think? Produce real, verifiable results.

They work all the time. They're even underway.

It depends on what do you wish to attain. Personal spells, self-improving and insighting oneself, is quite easy. It took me like, two weeks to understand the fundamentals and then one more to perform such an act. As you develop your abilities and understanding on the acausal field, your requirements and efforts in order to advance, increases. Trust someone who is called "Warlock".

>>18132132
What do you mean by real?

please do tell some tales of magic
any links to some introductory reading would be great to.
This thread magically derailed

>>18132009
Its not "me", simplefag. I did not answer your question yet.

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>>18131520
>Quadratic equations are not sufficient to solve Calculus.

Let a quadratic equation intersect a line.

(x-a)(x-b) - (xc+d) = 0

Let the equation that represents the intersection of a quadratic and a line be a quadratic, whose two solutions are equal.

(x-a)(x-b) - (xc+d) = (x-n)(x-n)

Simplify

xx - (a + b + c)x + ab - d = xx - (2n) + nn

a + b + c = 2n

Solve for c

c = 2n - (a + b)

Solve for n

(x-n)(x-n) = 0
n = x

c = 2x - (a + b)

The slope of the line which intersects a quadratic at one point is equal to 2x - (a + b) where (a,0) and (b,0) are the x-intercepts of that quadratic.

Boom, didn't even use Calculus or limits.

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>>18132132
>Three digit dubs

>>18132211
>Counters with dubbly-dubs

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>>18131577
We're talking about magick, not other occult area nor specifically Thelemic philosophy. Let us keep in magick.

Nevertheless, I like the definition of Crowley: "the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will". This Will, it is not simple random desire, but the True Will Power. The magician directs his Will through his Subjective Set of Beliefs, following certain Objective and Universal Assumptions, which should be learned / known to achieve the best result. Magic always involve subjective and objective factors in equal amounts. Only mentalism is not Magick, because otherwise everything could be solved with sigils and NLP and Magick would be completely useless post psychology / psychiatry / psychoanalysis.

Basically Magick is Power of Will directed through a Set of Subjective Beliefs (previously Constructed by you or by others) through Natural Rules(objective mechanisms present in nature), often considered "Hidden". Looking or not the producing of objective effects. With aid or not coming from external entities.

In this context, I consider ritual and tools, important, mainly because I've never seen anything fantastic in level of practical magic coming from underserved minds. But if you find yourself able to bend reality with the naked mind, go ahead, I am no one to stop you with my opinions; I personally prefer my known concrete effects that improve every day.

>>18132619
>Boom, didn't even use Calculus or limits.

Neither the brain. It's not about optimization without Calculus but about learning Calculus. Simply It's not possible to solve all the problems of integral and differential calculus only with pre-calculus.

>>18131446
So yes!
Just keep on wishing for that big dick.

>>18132619
Sorry but my mind can only process "real" numbers, so everything you just typed was total gibberish

can you put it in the context of a REAL application? and maybe use REAL numbers instead of hypothetical ones which possess no value outside of the eqausion itself?

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>>18131221
>How does magic work?

Magickckc is a form of mental / behavioral drug. Just as gambling, video games, porn, or TV can be addictive, so is magick.

The way this drug works is by giving illusions of empowerment, ability, and control, which result in neurochemical rewards for the ritualistic behavior. With repeated doses one eventually becomes addicted to magic and will feel terrible without it - they will often interpret this as being "attacked by dark forces" and will engage in ritualistic behavior to give them what they crave. Magick users are compelled to believe because of their addiction, which reinforces the reward pathways, and when faced with criticism of their beliefs they will respond with anger.

In normal constructive behavior one does an action beneficial to them, reaps the rewards, and feels good for doing it - accomplished, proficient, etc. Over time this develops good habits. An addiction circumvents healthy behavior, as magic does - one no longer has to do the actual work involved in achieving something, they just need to drawe downe the olde yule tide moone or whatever the fuck.

The crack cocaine of magick is "the secret," a.k.a. the law of attraction, that states that merely desiring something and believing that desire will bring it about will bring it about in reality. This turns desire into an instantaneously gratifying drug, and forms a feedback loop of even increasing desire.

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>>18132697
Well, you just said that it wasn't possible to do it for Quadratics. So I did it with Quadratics.

Now you're saying *every* problem. That's called "moving goal posts."

The first one's free. If you want to see a non-calculus or limit based approach to deriving or integrating every equation that is possible to differentiate or integrate with calculus, then you'll have to pay.

I mean, let's say I do create an list of every derivative and integral using purely algebra and no calculus or limits. What's to stop you from just moving your goal post again?

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>>18132719
Its not "moving goal posts". This is "not to interpret the meaning of the text and be a literalist shit". Try to understand the meaning of what was written, instead of wasting time criticizing the formal holes found, criticize the material points. I'm not here to compete with teenagers excited about math. I used a banal example to me, that's all.

It is good to know that you know math, you can now sit back there again wonk.

Now what you have to offer on Magick?

>>18132844
I have to offer that you're a gay faggot who has been suckered into dumb shit with absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever.

Good job being conned by delusional nutjobs.

>>18132844
>Just pay attention to the rest of nature. Auto mechanics can not repair aircrafts. Quadratic equations are not sufficient to solve Calculus. A simple mason does not equate to the work of an architect. It requires technique.

I'm not an auto-mechanic, but if you lend me your aircraft and shop I'll repair it. I'll even install an anti-gravitational generator just for funsies.

I'm not a mason either, and that analogy doesn't make literal sense, but if you want to see the technique of an architect, I'll do that too.

Let me remind you that you were incorrect about your calculus : quadratic example.

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>>18132714
>The crack cocaine of magick is "the secret," a.k.a. the law of attraction

This is so cringe. Play "knows everything" and talk about "the secret" and Magick in the same place.

>>18132714
>Magickckc is a form of mental / behavioral drug. Just as gambling, video games, porn, or TV can be addictive, so is magick.

Magick is quite boring, nothing compared to pornography or video games. Magic involves a semi religious thought - semi artistic approach to life. It is a lifestyle, not a lazy addiction. No serious practitioner fails to live a normal life just because you see magic as a lazy behavior.

>>18132714
>An addiction circumvents healthy behavior, as magic does - one no longer has to do the actual work involved in achieving something, they just need to drawe downe the olde yule tide moone or whatever the fuck.

Magick is a philosophy of looking at life, mostly in search of what the magician considers its maximum capacity of personal fulfillment, which includes hard work as anyone. No magician stops working or having a career because hur dur money will fall from the sky. Look Jack Parsons for exemple.

This is such a childish approach to a more complex cultural phenomenon.

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>>18132881
No, you cant repair aircrafts with only auto-mechanic knowlege. Only with mason (fucking bricklayer/
construction worker you dumb shit) knowledge, you can not rebuild the dome of Hagia Sophia, or build a fucking bridge.

You will tell me now that without study and varied and complex knowledge, any beggar can work as a doctor, or engineer, or anything worth one doubloon.

Please get your head out of your own ass, and try to understand the meaning.

>>18131258
I laughed so god damn hard at this

>>18131498
Você fez uma espécie de voto de não usar inglês em imageboards gringos? tipo um megasigilo de não conseguir ser entendido pelos outros?

>>18132983
Chill out /x/file he's not contributing to the topic just ignore the nigger

>>18132863
>I have to offer that you're a gay faggot who has been suckered into dumb shit with absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever.

It's a compliment coming from someone who can not even interpret a text properly.

Finally, you're getting into here for what then? Go back to the hole you came from. / Lgbt / or / mlp / or something.

>>18132919
>when faced with criticism of their beliefs they will respond with anger.

You've done nothing but this for the entire thread. Thanks for proving my point, addict.

>Magick is quite boring, nothing compared to pornography or video games.

You love how magick makes you feel. You love reading about it, practicing it, and talking about it. Alcoholics can be connoisseurs as well. So you like a vintage Crowley, it's still your drug.

>No serious practitioner fails to live a normal life just because you see magic as a lazy behavior.

There's functional alcoholics and other addicts. Addiction is characterized by dependency. There may not necessarily be practical detriments but there are philosophical detriments when it comes to having your mind enthralled to parasitic drug-beliefs.

>Magic involves a semi religious thought

Religion is an addiction. That's why Alcoholics Anonymous is big on God: replace one drug with another.

>This is such a childish approach to a more complex cultural phenomenon.

There's absolutely no reason to believe in magick or anything else supernatural. Because of this there must be other reasons for belief.

In religion and spirituality euphoria and bliss are described as experiences associated with worship and ritual. Indeed the nature of spiritual rituals seems designed to induce powerful emotions - and the neurochemicals that accompany them.

Of course TV and many forms of visual entertainment do the same thing, but what makes magick and religion different is the tie to belief that makes the addiction self-reinforcing. You believe you have knowledge of the secrets of the universe, or that some God loves you and you'll have an infinite eternal reward, or whatever else - all of one's meaning, one's entire perception of the world, their lifestyle as you describe it - has been infested by spiritual addiction.

Right now I can tell you that after reading this you feel agitated and disturbed. Why is that?

>>18131396
>she didn't talk about it
So no reason to believe that tools were involved in that. Coulda just been a group out there chanting or even just meditating.

>>18131567
>in an undergraduate lecture in the 1960s-1970s (don't know when) he said he couldn't reduce it to the undergraduate level, so we don't understand it well enough. This seems to have motivated his 1986 Dirac lecture on the spin-statistics theorem.
It would have been impossible for him to explain anything at all in the usual ways after 1955, considering that's when he died.

>>18132919
I just want to assert the idea that if you think you have magic powers that defy the laws that allow the universe to function then you're a fucking moron. If magic were real it would be as rampant as AIDs.

>>18131249
So its not magic... Its just bullshit, gotchya

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>>18132710
>Not even capable of understanding maths without real numbers
>Wants to understand magick

>>18133154
You talk of which you don't understand, and apparently that is your addiction. Face yourself before trying to dissect your own weaknesses in othersm

It's subtle. Bending the rules of how reality works. Change stuff around a bit. Ive had a good bit o work start doing its thing as soon as I've finished it. I rely on it pretty heavily and have pretty good luck. Random money tends to jump my way. My asshole bosses don't stay assholes for long. I'm lucky in love and the spirits never devil me anymore. I'll say it works. Or at least for me and people I know that are committed to it.

>>18133333
Check'd

Yo guys, does oral sex( giving and receiving) count as losing my virginity?
Because I think I might have fucked up my chances on becoming a wizard

>>18134025
That's called faggotry :/

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>>18131185
>magic(k)
>real
I want to believe you loony buggers, but there is still no credible footage circulating on the web providing evidence of your practice actually working.

>>18134025
Sucking too much dick I see.

>>18134264
>no credible footage circulating on the web
You are right for the wrong reasons.

OP do not pl0x

>>18133154
>You've done nothing but this for the entire thread. Thanks for proving my point, addict.

Wtf. Only not. You do not know me and is making presumptions. That's silly.

>You love how magick makes you feel. You love reading about it, practicing it, and talking about it. Alcoholics can be connoisseurs as well. So you like a vintage Crowley, it's still your drug.

I like it. I like the philosophy. The rest of the practice takes a lot of work. Meditation is boring too. My exercise routine is also a turd. All this is part of my life, part of my culture and I'm okay with that. Never hurt me actually always brought me good thoughts about myself and about life.

You seem highly angry. Relax. Man will never be 100% hollow, no matter how much your kind attempt to deconstruct and scientifying culture. Man is more than purely rational, and well-being is reason more than reasonable for things to exist.

>Religion is an addiction. That's why Alcoholics Anonymous is big on God: replace one drug with another.

Bla bla bla. Edgy atheist. The lives of others has nothing to do with your limited perception of reality. Let people be religious, there is nothing fancy about it. No one is trying to push religious beliefs and moral for you. If not serve you, just do not use.

>There's absolutely no reason to believe in magick or anything else supernatural.

Life is not and will never be solely about reason.

>You believe you have knowledge of the secrets of the universe, or that some God loves you and you'll have an infinite eternal reward, or whatever else - all of one's meaning, one's entire perception of the world, their lifestyle as you describe it - has been infested by spiritual addiction.

I am an atheist. I do not believe any of it. In fact I believe that life is deeply ordinary and banal. And that death is the final and inevitable end of all life.

>Right now I can tell you that after reading this you feel agitated and disturbed. Why is that?

Not even a bit.

>>18134359
>You are right for the wrong reasons.
You are reasons for the wrong right.

>>18134551
>>You are right for the wrong reasons.
>You are reasons for the wrong right.
You wrong for the right reasons.

>>18134359
Thanks Donnie darko.

>>18131185
Compleated a love binding spell, we've been together 4 years. Started a money spell, got to the final step but never buried the wax encased bills on bank grounds.I broke the spell, I needed the wad of cash. A month later my mother dies, leaves me 50 grand. After that I stayed away from gain spells.

Cursed a guy once. Felt bad.

>>18132710
>Sorry but my mind can only process "real" numbers, so everything you just typed was total gibberish
how's middle school going for you?

>>18134264
What do you expect nigga, a bunch of motherfuckers firing kamehamehas at each other on youtube or some shit? Do you expect someone who can provide "credible footage" of actual magic to be stupid enough to put that shit up on the internet.

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>>18134554
>>>You are right for the wrong reasons.
>>You are reasons for the wrong right.
>You wrong for the right reasons.
For the right reasons, wrong you are..

>>18131317
What "tools" do grand wizards use, and in what manner do they implement said tools

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>>18135547
A magic wand.

>>18131631
your a dousche