Monarch mind control

source?

>>18126464
You're serious? Are you new here? This is common knowledge on /x/.

>>18126464

www.strangerdimensions.com/2013/04/24/monarch-programming-and-mind-control/

Look at Bill Clinton here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OANCHSvscxQ

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They want to make the entire Earth a stage for a never ending reality TV show, where even the writers and behind the scenes crew live a scripted, controlled life, written and produced by handlers further up the chain. Like some kind of sitcom fractal universe. Those are the words that best describe their vision, when put into common vernacular. It is one possible expression of unified global consciousness.

People would be "psychic" in the sense that they are wired together, and told what to say and how to react at the proper times anyways.

The electronic brains for this endeavor are already being manufactured below the crust, in the form of giant CPU arrays that compile statistical data of a populace, and run simulations that predict a finite number of possible reactions that a given populace could have under certain conditions. Their pipe dream is to perfect this system, until every human on Earth is perpetually tracked on camera, and their actions predicted as a finite set of choices that they may select from. It ends the unanswerable question of "are we living in a simulation?" by simply building said simulation into the environment.

The Monarch program, and various offshoots are prototypes for the global system, which they intend to implement in steps. It is a balance of training and sustaining a population that is intelligent enough to maintain the equipment necessary for a perpetual sitcom style "always on camera" environment, while being simple and predictable enough to script their day to day actions in fractal form. (Writers scripting the daily events for writers who scripts the daily events for... etc.)

It's an attractive prospect, for people of a certain mindset. It's almost kinky, in a mind raping sense of the word.

>>18126459

This could really explains why the word "program" is used for television.

Damn the powers that be are really cynical.

>>18126467

This


>heeeey guise i just theres this sooopppper spoooppppy think called MKULTRA guise why arent you talking about this guiiiiise!!!! guiiiisie!!!!

Get back to us when you have something new OP

>>18126504

Dude just a few minutes later someone wanted a source and there was no thread in the catalogue. It is safe to say that a lot can still learn a thing or to.

/x/ isn't just some elitist platform. For us it is more important to inform newcomers than for other boards. We should better take our own stuff seriously and see it as a common struggle against an occult foe instead of just
>hurr those is just some interesting mind games. he didn't know them? what a noob XDD

It is fucking good that he didn't know it. That means today I redpilled another anon.

>>18126502
Program Noun

1 a program (a set of structured activities)

2 a program (a leaflet listing information about a
play, game or other activity)

3 a program (a performance of a show or other broadcast on radio or television)

4 (computing) a software application, or a collection of software applications, designed to perform a specific task

5 a program on a washing machine; a cycle

>a program (a set of structured activities)
>tv shows are basically rehearsed plays that follow a predetermined plot
>rehearsed+predetermined = structured
>play = activity

thats why its called a program, also the word program have been used within theater since the early 1800, theater is pretty much the Great grandfather of tv

>>18126494

This is... clever. I've always wondered how it was possible that occult symbolism was fucking everywhere on TV. It couldn't possibly be, because everyone (writers, artists etc) was involved in a conspiracy and knew what they were proapgating - but it's equally as unrealistic that it's just a big joke in which everyone participates just for the laughs. Or did they just sell their souls for fame?

With MKUltra it could be that they get their instructions by handlers (who are also controller) and after they did their work, they immediately forget it and then forget about forgetting... or something like that.

>>18126512
You like redpills?

enjoy

https://fringechan.org/library/src/1456411474807-1.pdf

>>18126459
Control for what? How does this make money?

>>18126528

It would be silly if the definition was ONLY "to program = to manipulate".

That was my point. It can be both. On the surface it looks like the first definition, but further down the rabbithole you know that this set of structured activities is used to manipulate people.

>>18126542

>Control for what? How does this make money?


>illuminati puppets like Madonna or Michael Jackson didn't make any money

Sure. Musicians and movie stars don't make money at all, right?

>>18126550
You are talking Hollywood, we know about Hollywood, how does doing it to other people help control or make money in anyway?

>>18126564

"They" already control money.

What they want to control is minds and values. And they achieve that with music.

>>18126542
So long as you think in terms of economy, you'll never get anywhere close the borders of the system. Money is literally garbage that people have been conditioned to desire. The people on the top can have it printed in infinite quantities with a click of a button. When everything in the world is yours to take, for no compensation, money loses its meaning. In that state, control becomes the new currency.

MK-ULTRA was uncovered during the Church Committee hearings after Watergate brought a bunch of dirty shit to light. The CIA and military intelligence were trying to use a variety of methods, including LSD and "psychic driving" (simple message on a tape-loop, played endlessly to a comatose victim), to create brain-washed sleeper agents who could be programmed to undertake certain actions (spying, assassination) and then forget them until debriefed. Many conspiracy theorists believe that Sirhan Sirhan (RFK's assassin) was programmed using these techniques. Some go further, saying that MK-ULTRA programming may be responsible for various serial killers (Manson's Family, Son of Sam, and Zodiac are common suspects) and mass shooters (especially the Aurora theater and Sandy Hook shooters). Known victims include Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber), Whitey Bulger (American mobster and FBI informant).

https://www.wired.com/2010/05/chemical-concussions-and-secret-lsd-military-releases-cold-war-mind-control-report/
https://documentaryaddict.com/films/cia-s-secret-experiments-mk-ultra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxiojvmaPGg [Embed]
https://gizmodo.com/project-mkultra-one-of-the-most-shocking-cia-programs-1370236359
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Project_MKULTRA.html
https://www.wired.com/2010/04/0413mk-ultra-authorized/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC9J6O6soHA [Embed]
https://curiosity.com/paths/brainwashed-to-assassinate-curiosity-brainwashed-discovery/#brainwashed-to-assassinate-curiosity-brainwashed-discovery
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/
http://www.moderntimesmagazine.com/page15/NW_WhiteyBulger_070611/NW_WhiteyBulger_070611.php

"Project Monarch" is a theoretical offshoot of MK-ULTRA which supposedly programs sex slaves for the rich and famous, possibly using Satanism ("Satanic Ritual Abuse" and the Satanic Panic of the 80s) as either a method of brainwashing, a cover story to discourage serious research, or both. Monarch is linked in conspiracy lore to an international pedo-ring (for which there is much more evidence than Monarch itself), including the Franklin House scandal, the Elm House scandal, the Presidio Base scandal, "Pedowood" theories, and known pedos such as Jimmy Saville, Jerry Sandusky, Dennis Hastert, Jeffrey Epstein (connected to both Clinton and Trump via his "Lolita Express"), even Jared from Subway.

https://vimeo.com/22766863
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Guest_House_child_abuse_scandal
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2015/10/19/the-peoples-campaign-the-real-hastert-case-all-in-one-place/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-a-plea-deal-for-hastert-may-hide-the-truth/
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-franklin-cover-up/
http://www.pri.org/stories/2012-09-29/jerry-sandusky-was-part-pedophile-ring-victim-claims
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-fbi-let-jared-fogle-molest-children-for-years-during-undercover-investigation/211340/
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cm0t3/original_research_the_mountain_of_evidence_for_a/

The Temple of Set was an offshoot of Anton LaVey's Church of Satan, founded by former Satanic priest, friend of LaVey, and Army Intelligence officer, Michael Aquino. While LaVeyan Satanists are "actually" atheists, claiming not to believe in anything supernatural (their philosophy sounds more like Ayn Rand than anything), the Setians do believe in the supernatural, and claim to practice ritual magic.

Aquino was accused of Satanic ritual abuse at the Presidio Army base, leading to a large scandal and a police investigation. Although civilian police claimed to have found incriminating evidence during the execution of a search warrant on Aquino's home, the case was taken over by military authorities and Aquino was never prosecuted. After this, he did the rounds on the 80s talk show circuit, defending Satanism from the likes Geraldo Rivera, Oprah, and ex-FBI chief and celebrity conspiracy theory, Ted Gunderson.

Aquino also wrote a definitive work on Army psychological operations called "MindWar," many techniques were used in the run-up to the Iraq War.

Ted Gunderson, Michael Aquino & father James Lebar on "Trash TV" with Geraldo Rivera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8vJcHwWWRU [Embed]

From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory
https://www.wanttoknow.info/mk/mindwar-michael-aquino.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Set

Process Church of the Final Judgement, a British offshoot of Scientology which rejected Hubbard's science fiction mythology for more traditional Gnostic occultism. Although never directly implicated in any crimes, their members went to visit Charles Manson in prison for unknown reasons (according to Manson prosecutor and "Helter Skelter" author, Bugliosi), and they came in the investigations of both Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) and Cropsey (Andre Rand), leading some investigators on both cases to believe that there was a Satanic underground kidnapping children for Satanic Ritual Abuse and brainwashing people to be serial killers.

"Accused of being a "black-caped, black-garbed, death-worshipping church" with ranks of mindless "hooded snuffoids," they believed they were visionaries warning of the coming apocalypse. In the wake of the shootings at Columbine and with cult activity on the increase, this could have been ripped from the mainstream headlines throughout 1999. But at the end of the hippie dream, these were the charges levelled at one of the most controversial cults of the Sixties: the Process Church."

http://www.satanservice.org/propaganda/process.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Process_Church_of_The_Final_Judgment

>>18126467
actually yes, i like skinwalkers

>>18126502
TELL-LIE-VISION PROGRAMMING

Isn't monarch blamed for all the 'false flag' mass shootings which never actually end up influencing any gun control laws? Lol

>>18127820

The purpose of mass shootings isn't to set up gun control laws. It's to sow fear, hate, discord and uncertainty among the populace. And in that, they are massively successful. Divide and conquer.

>>18126459
this person is legit
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2945015/pg1
for more
https://cybercosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/the-illuminati-handler/
read it and decide for yourself
he's the real deal imo

I was just listening to Don McLean's "Magdalene Lane" and the lyrics feel strangely relevant to this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVHrFVPtJis

MGM studios can't make the nut
they're auctioning Dorothy's shoes.
Gable is gone, the good witch is a slut
and I've got the parking lot blues.

The wizard brought benzadrine smiles
and he never let Dorothy doze.
She died as she walked down the aisle
and all that remains is her clothes.

Over the rainbow a Kansas tornado
can twist up a little girl's head.
Aunt Em's on relief and the tinman's a thief
and even the wizard can't wake the dead.

OP, a lot of the information out there is disinfo. Monarch is a catch-all phrase that doesn't refer to a real program but simply things done after and within later iterations of mk ultra. The monarch butterfly however is a very real mind control symbol.

Programming doesn't require satanic rituals or raping children, any adult can be shattered. extremely few people are personally handled this way or have this sort of thing done to them. good examples would be political candidates, celebrities, and athletes. Some talk show hosts are trained handlers. simon cowell is one.

to make a monarch mind control slave a person has to be shattered. shattering is typically done through trauma. when the "illuminati" decide they want to bring somebody from the amateur league to the big time, they spend a bit of time deciding upon the way they want to introduce the future star to their fate. it's typically a very traumatic experience. if you want to be AAA you have to be chosen by them. and there is a price because they don't want people in the public eye just saying whatever they please. they want these people under control.

things that you see with celebs like Britney aren't drug overdose, that's basically a code-word in those circles for a programming breakdown. the "rehabs" celebs go to are actually "reprogramming" centers.

if you want to know more tell me.

>>18130711

>want to know more

yes please

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>>18130711

>>18126478
that is your source? lol wewlad

>>18130779
there is usually a team in place that maintains the "asset" programming. They are headed by a handler, a "dark psychology" expert who oversees the process and makes adjustments as they are needed. they are usually responsible for creating the alters and triggers for an asset but tend to have their team carry out the "script" - when they do see their clients "hands on" (one on one) it has a major emotional impact on them (strong association with trauma and initial shattering)

it is said that the average celebrity has around three alters most of the time, a sex kitten, a performer(on stage stuff), and an entertainer (interviews and pr, that kind of thing), but it can vary depending on the programmer's preferences

many programmers still utilize psycho-pharmaceuticals in their work, but there are also schools of thought that see using drugs to put clients in a deep state as destructive for the client's career in the long term and, yes, the success of a handler is tied to the success of their assets. the bigger the success of the asset, the better the handler's prestige.

how do you learn to become a handler? you can't go to school for it. most universities/academia are woefully out of touch with the science of shattering and mind control. you would probably guess this would be an intelligence agency thing, and you'd be right. there are programs within the military, if you know the right people, that teach this sort of thing, it is a dedicated field of study. the reason you turn up 0 search results on monarch is because this is information that could be very scary if more people knew about it. and so what you'll generally find is "out there" whacky bullshit, not real info.

actually "monarch" itself is one of those "disinfo" terms (but one with history)

I can go on if you guys want (character cap)

>>18130814

>I can go on if you guys want

please do ... links to good sources would be awesome too

>>18126504
fuck off disinfo agent. Its a fascinating subject worth a thread on /x/ and we should be paying attention to this stuff.

There is a civilian sleeper program, but my info about it is quite limited. I can tell you that it relies heavily on something called "state dependent memory" in order to create memory blocks. most sleepers of course are not civilians, they are intelligence agents who are used in elite intelligence services. it is taken seriously and they are not mistreated. but civilian sleepers is a bit different. obviously its very expensive to do this to a person. that's why the people to whom it is done to are called "assets" . so if anybody is chosen for civilian sleeper programs, who would it likely be? probably would have family members high in intelligence or the military, or you would be associated with some very influential people.

if you want to understand programming, you should understand dissociative states and altered states of consciousness. mk ultra was originally tied into the deadhead scene for a reason. lets take a rave for example. all the lights flashing, the electro, the dancing and usually drugs - it creates a very impressionable state of mind. many djs are aware of how to put people in trance with music. pop stars create this environment with their live shows as well. the effect is that the crowd enters this suggestible state where they are totally impressionable to the performer. then midway through the show perhaps the performer will mention something about a current agenda and the crowd will cheer because they would cheer for anything in that state. subtle reinforcement. the masses don't need dedicated handing to be controlled, there are many examples of this.

lots of the mk ultra symbols you see in celeb videos are them kind of trying to subconsciously (or without saying anything blatantly) reach out and talk about what happened to them. some real programming scripts are alice in wonderland and the wizard of oz, that is actually not a fallacy.

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Since we're doing new facts for newfags it should be pointed out that the symbol of monarch was a butterfly

>>18126459
I've heard this topic discussed to death and I don't think it's as big of a deal as conspiracy theorists make it out to be.

Your idea that public schools could be used as a programming house is interesting though. High-school especially is such a weird fucked up place where the emphasis is definitely not on learning. Interesting

>>in this thread

people who haven't taken or been presibed their meds.

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>>18130931
To use schools as programming tools is NOT just a "conspiracy theory." Reference the community organization theories of 60s-70s activists.

For a real world unquestionable example, note that Margot Honecker, who had her pick of any job she wanted in East Germany, chose to be Education Minister.

From her obit:
>She became education minister in 1963 and took on a central role in shaping a Communist society with pedagogy. Russian-language classes were already mandatory, but she helped write laws, adopted in 1965, that integrated education policies into the nation’s employment, military, social and political objectives.

>>18130886
The butterfly is used to symbolize metamorphesis , the change which is the "irreversible blossoming" of what the asset is to become.
Shatter me by lindsey stirling:
https://g.co/kgs/BkDvBJ

Notice the broken mirror, spinning, porcelain masks, blue butterfly.
You cannot be unshattered, it's a permanent break in the mind. Triggers that are unused for a long time generally reduce in their effectiveness though. To shatter somebody anticipation and pain are central. But betrayal is the kicker, the more shocking and complete the better.

Assets are generally put in artificial faculties for months where everybody is basically part of the script, which of course is not a script at all to the subject. Their expectations of what to expect from others are violated so many times that they will accept help wherever they can find it.

http://omnithought.org/dark-secrets-of-celebrities-entertainment-industry-clones-satanists-prostitutes/4583

>>18130855
There is a difference in technique depending on who you are shattering. For example, take a writer for instance. Most writers are not exactly in the public eye enough to get shattered, but perhaps we are talking about a songwriter or a writer in some capacity other than a novelist.
Writers are difficult to shatter because they tend to expose themselves to horrors in their own mind that other types of artists never dare to consider. That means until psychologically a proper course is assessed, they tend to be subject to more of the physical trauma of the process of shattering.

They are also hard to scope, in terms of triggering. The way their imagination tends to over-associate, it's easy for 'self-realized' alters to form - that is one not guided by the handling team. Additional unguided alters are not ideal, and self-realized alters are generally avoided where possible.

Unlike normal DID, the 'guided' variant maintains a connection between the core and the alters. That means there is not an amnesiac barrier which you commonly find in self-realized or naturally occurring DID. Sensory deprivation chambers are used in the process of shattering. The loss of all senses is extremely terrifying and disorientating, causes the subject to lose all sense of time. They grasp desperately for any connection to reality. Let's say you have them at this for an hour or two with no indication of when it will end. At some point, if you decide to introduce sound as the only sense in the tank, and the sound is the handler's voice...it's a pretty good way to begin inlaying a trigger. This is just one example.

>>18130826
>anyone that disagrees with me is a disinfo agent
You sound fun in arguments and debates.

>>18131960
lol, I read that as
>anyone that displeases me is an aging giant
top kek yo

>>18129959
Heck, maybe the claims that mass shootings are false flags are actually disinfo spread by people with a share in arms companies who
feel like making a quick stack o' cash.

That episode of sunny was just Rob "Illuminati beefcake" Mcelhenney taunting us.

>>18131918
Um. Wow. I'd ask questions but don't know where to start.

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>>18126464

>>18126542
Aside from (and I'm talking from the perspective of this is all true, something I don't actually believe) the fact that a lot of celebrities make insane amounts of money the theory also goes they program elite soldiers (think delta force), assassins, political pawns to control governments, and sex slaves.

Also sometimes science does things just to see what happens.

>>18126478
thats the dumbest video. How is he hypnotized? Because he's keeping still while they apply make up?

>>18132362
>>18126542

I don't think making money is the goal, though, these people have all the money already. If Monarch is about mind-controlled celebrities (I'm also not convinced that this is true), the purpose of the mind-controlled celebrities is to control the youth. Keep the kids from getting involved in that counter-culture, or worse, joining some kind of protest movement. Instill blind unthinking consumerism, conformity, patriotism, respect for authority, sexualized submission, etc, etc. All the things that make people easier to control.

Mind-controlled assassins are a little more straighforward, unless you're expecting Jason Bourne. The best evidence we have for mind-controlled assassins look more like the Manchurian Candidate: a disposable asset that can be deployed to do the job without regard for personal safety, and if he survives, he's handed to the authorities as another "lone nut" to lock away forever. Sirhan Sirhan, RFK's assassin, is a great case study. In fact, there have been at least two successful attempts to duplicate the kind of hypnosis needed to make such a "programmable assassin," one by British hypnotist and famous skeptic/debunker of nonsense Derren Brown, another by the Discovery Channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC9J6O6soHA
https://curiosity.com/paths/brainwashed-to-assassinate-curiosity-brainwashed-discovery/#brainwashed-to-assassinate-curiosity-brainwashed-discovery

>>18132445
Remember 1984.
"the object of power is power
the object of persecution is persecution
the object of torture is torture"
and what is the science of power?
control.
what is the easiest way to control people?
by manipulating the parameters of their behavior, you manipulate the parameters of their awareness and thus thoughts...

It's not as complex as it sounds, predictive analytics is worth a gander

>>18130701
BYE BYE MISS AMERICAN PIE

I have nothing to refute really, besides how fucked up everything sounds.

I recall a story from prision torture.

They put all of the prisioners in the same cell without a toilet, after a while some of the prisioners just asked for permission and crapped on the floor, while other prisioners would not crap at all, and expend many days in agony.

Later in physical torture the ones that that crapped on the floor, would break almost instanly after some electricity to the balls, while the others would resist for days or even to the death.

That tells you a lot, about the different kind of people you have, and how they react to this kind of treatment.

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Uh...

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>>18132564

>That tells you a lot, about the different kind of people you have, and how they react to this kind of treatment.

Yes, definitely .. as it turns out, selecting the right candidate is a huge part of the process. Those experiments where they replicated the "assassin trance" of Sirhan Sirhan had an extensive selection process to pick one person out of over a hundred, who was the most susceptible to hypnosis.

Sirhan himself has been diagnosed as very easy to hypnotize by psychological professionals, so he would have been a perfect choice. There was automatic writing in his diary ("...RFK must die RFK must be killed must kill RFK..."), which would also fit some kind of subconscious programming.

How sad are your lives that you guys need to pretend that you're onto some big dumb implausible conspiracy to feel validation

>>18130845
how do you become the opposite of dissociated?

>>18132819
>no fun allowed on my /x/

>>18132834

Most of the people who claim to to have been Monarch slaves supposedly recovered their memories under hypnosis.

Unfortunately, people under hypnosis also have a tendency to get creative. So like with alien abductions, it gets really hard to tell whether the person is recovering lost memories, or reciting what he's heard about mind control slaves.

>>18132819
>how sad is your life when you need to make yourself feel better by shitposting on anonymous message boards

>>18132872
The problem with getting testimony from a victim is that it's like trying to get somebody to tell you what color bird just flew by as that person's hands are being shoved in hot oil. That person is screaming in pain, they aren't going to know what the hell is going on. They may remember, but they can't actually interpret the meaning of what's been done to them, the method, or why. It's simply not reliable.

If you want good information, you have to ask an actual handler. Maybe one would tell you something just for shits and giggles.

>>18132834
Most people are in a normal functional state of consciousness for the majority of the day, but we've all had experience with dissociation. You start daydreaming in class and miss the lecture...you're driving home from work on autopilot, thinking about a video game and barely watching the road. Those are very light surface level dissociation or trances that are a normal part of life.

If you're constantly dissociated, there is something wrong with your connection to reality. It's a symptom of schizoaffective disorder for example, and many other forms of schizoid disorders or personality types.

If you have somebody that has been shattered, a dissociated state and - linked to this , an alter - can be invoked upon the right stimulus exposure...of course it's not a simple process. If you think of any animal that is trained to perform, there are certain similarities, if you were to exclude the emotional bits and consider things purely on a behavioral level.

The advice I heard about combating dissociation, if you are experiencing it, is to satisfy a basic need (food, fuck, fight, etc), put yourself in immediate contact with the external world. Exercising tends to help. Doing drugs makes it worse, and are usually used to keep people in states of confusion or dissociation.

>>18133017
>If you're constantly dissociated, there is something wrong with your connection to reality.

Oh shit

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>>18132987
Your thoughts on this, anon?

https://cybercosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/the-illuminati-handler/

>>18126534
Nice one, the pdf covers Dutroux, I wanted to mention him myself.
When they investigated the horrible crimes of Dutroux, the huge network that was discovered behind him ended up dwarfing Dutroux in the very investigation about him.
It is an international network that proves that the powerful techniques perfected by MKUltra et similia are already being abused way beyond their original, already nefarious, purpose.
Reality makes fiction pale in comparison.

>>18126542
Control for what?
Control is power, power is everything, not money.
This is used and abused by people who alredy have all the money and want power, more and more power.
Do you think the CIA would have invested so much if there was no use for it?
Off the top of my head: programmed hitmen, "manchurian candidates", sex slaves, the perfect spies, etc.... all of them with the added bonus of deniability, i.e. if one of them was caught, he or she would not be able to say anything about the real puppet masters in the background and who they are.
Are you kidding? They control the whole planet thanks to this.

>>18126564
It depends what you tell the "zombies" you control, what you make them do for you... isn't that obvious?

>>18126605
This guy, absolutely correct.

>>18127820
Monarch is just the "sex slaves".

>>18132069
The whole "false flags" thing is, in most occasion, actually disinfo. If an event involving the very public death of several civilians were to be entirely faked it would implode very quickly.

Why would they even need to fake it??

>>18130804
Why, where do you expect this information to be, on the CNN? Or the BBC?
Shill harder.

>>18130931
Read about Jimmy Savile and Marc Dutroux. You are so wrong.

>>18130952
Hello shill. Are you here to spread your daily quota of discord? It's ok, we love you.

>>18134742
holy fuck retard, are you lost?? >>>/pol/

>>18131960
>disagreeing in a civil and constructive manner
>bawling and shilling

not the same

>>18132819
MKUltra is a program that officially existed, kid.
The CIA itself does not deny it.
The only thing being debated is whether or not they stopped the program decades ago, as they claim. If the program was not stopped or if the techniques created during that period (Cold War spy war psychosis) even leaked to outside elements... it is absolutely possible that they are being abused today in a widespread fashion.
Now don't feel bad because you have nothing to say. Just don't disrespect without knowing anything yourself first.

That Jeff Epstein guys father Seymour Epstein was involved in mkultra/monarch programming.

>>18132819
mkultra is declassified
modern religion is government and science
just like christianity, buddism and islam. part truths and lies but they have merits.

>>18126464
If I'm recalling correctly, the origin of Project Monarch and its mind-controlled slave program was Cathy O'Brien. Of course MKUltra was known about decades before she was - documents (that hadn't been destroyed) discovered in the late 70's. O'Brien's book Tranceformation of America was published in 1994. OP, please correct me if I'm wrong. I've been wondering, has anyone else ever come forward with testimony that they were a former slave (or handler) before her? Before 1994? Has anyone read her book?

Here's some more info from her website:
http://www.trance-formation.com/aboutcathy.htm

Mkultra "victim" here. Ask me anything.

Monarch Programming is an attachment of the Codex Rex. It is basically executed at the social level.
It is also the reason many people feel their nation is divinely ordained and has a very powerful secret weapon. It becomes a religion all by itself. Without the woohah holy rolling. But a deciet is still therr. It's also a reason many people involved within the programming feel they are le creme of the shit. If you study traditional and historical behaviourism of societies youd realize there is something these beings lack. These people were brought up with a certain mental rationale due to global business. It is said many of the companies today like IBM, Microsoft, Google, Dupont etc. were started by the CIA using victims as well as the whole public. Theres a specific style of secular behaviour not natural to the world but practiced by the countries that began globalization.

I had a discussion about this same thing and America. One of the speakers say there are some people who are so spoiled that wars never touched their shore. Superpowers like Rome, Mongols, nor Ottomans at their heyday, did not even have the privilege of saying that. A many attribute it to the psychology of the people.

>>18135242
Mk ultra victims fail to induce the reptilian complex induced by the cardinal sin of the species.

>>18135242
I strongly suggest making a new thread if you're gonna be responsive... this could be good

>>18135335
Please confirm?

>>18126504

*rolls eyes*

Ugh /x/ is soooo kewl and beyond this, right guys we are too cool and smart for this and we already know everything there is to know about it because there was already threads on x about it so yeah youre stupid and we are K000L!!!11

Fuck off faggot, this shitty board consisting of 99 percent roleplay is not your own exclusive club.

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So how far did this thread get before they started to shut it down?

>>18135388

Far right and middle, would make luv too, if legal ofc

>>18135348
I'm lurking, but I don't think making a new thread is a good thing. They'll just claim "rp". So let's keep it here for now.

>>18126459
Why is it called Monarch Programming?
There were societal systems placed across kingdoms once upon a time. There was high nobility and low. Usully had anpeerage title connecting them to someone. Directly below them were the important people that had as much power but were considered a flight risk and risk for treason. The nobility had them at their hands and heads. These people were the doctors, the accountants, the merchants, the messenger, the smiths etc. However these people lived with legal provisions and probibitions. They were like eunichs. And had to live on the land of their lords. Problems rose over compensation through time. Because they lived under direct reliance. And troubles always rose when a kingdom grew rebelliously powerful and wanted to spread the desire for empire. So they more often than not ate the host offering. Today we live in a capitalist democracy and the only way to implement a solid infrastructure for security, social and financial, would be to implement Monarch programming. Very similar to the traditional system we follow, more then than now. Usually sons would have the same career as the father and so on. However in modern times there is the thought that every generation is smarter than the last because the newer generations can read about the last generations life study and suck in all the information. Now if the newer generation in the kingdom doesnt do that than the kingdom is set to fail. And if the kingdom doesnt allow them to study the rite and codex than the kingdom is destined to fail. So monarch programming implementation allows the newer generations to understand why things are done a certain way.

>>18135199

Kerry Thornley claimed to have been subject to MK-ULTRA tests, and to have been programmed as a double for Oswald if something went wrong. Thornley was interesting for a lot of reasons, because of the swirl of odd coincidences (or sinister conspiracies) that followed him around.

>U.S. Marine radar operator, stationed with Lee Harvey Oswald at the CIA's top secret Atsugi airbase for U-2 spy planes
>became friends, Thornley later wrote a book about him before the assassination
>lived in New Orleans when Oswald was there, interacting with various CIA-backed Anti-Castro Cuban groups
>worked as a bartender in the same building that Guy Banister ran his Cuban gun-running operations out of
>same building where Oswald rented office space, and stamped the address on the FPCC Pro-Castro leaflets he handed out
>called before the Warren Commission because of the book about Oswald and their time at Atsugi
>co-founder of the Discordian 'religion,' co-author of Principia Discordia and Operation Mindfuck
>OM is a Discordian conspiracy to fuck with bureaucracies and authority, and to redpill people by putting them in absurd situations
>used the copy machine in the office of New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison to make the first several copies of PD/OM tracts
>Jim Garrison later accused him of being part of the conspiracy to assassinate JFK, believed him to be a CIA asset and Oswald double
>Garrison's case falls apart, but Thornley later claims to have recovered memories of MKULTRA programming, and that Garrison was right
>Claims to remember meeting with E. Howard Hunt (another interesting motherfucker) to discuss assassination beforehand
>Becomes increasingly paranoid in his old age, accusing friends and acquaintances of being CIA handlers

>>18135242
Comments on the Biden "horny" fiasco? (see >>18135388)

>>18135439
People with way less resources do worse shit on the daily.

shit shot shut

>>18135428
Many europeans may see the people of the americas as their downtrodden less educated cousins. But until globalization and world war 2. The people this side of the world, that is not a continuation of their land masses. Had more cattle and grain per capita than any region in this world. They traditionally didnt suffer for food. If you were hungry you could eat at any home. And its a blessing that has been getting harder to keep up with especially after the outbreaks of war.

>>18130814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntj9DYeRXvM
She had a handler, he recorded this video.

>>18130845
Look into the Batman shooter's dad.

>>18135454
When they know they're on television?!

>>18132580
Those sia videos are blatantly about child abuse, one of them reminds of that leaked dance ritual video that they performed for elites

>>18135465
They want the civilians to know they do it, and that they[civilians]can't do anything about it. Makes them feel all powerful and superior.

This is something obvious to some individuals.

>>18134765
It was created to keep accountability of the nations most valuable resource. Humans.
Countries like Russia may over play their resources and weapons at the international level but the U.S. keeps track of the mind. And thats for a special cause. However U.S. Monarch programming has been becoming rather racist. No longer as subliminal as it once was.

You can have time travel, you can have destiny countrolling weapons, you can have 27457 nuclear warheads. But there is something humanity will never leave and that is the world and its lands. Nor could they change the biomes because theyll always end up hurting themselves.

>>18135459
Thats some interesting stuff. There are victims with ties to several different institutes like that.

>>18126534

... I'm halfway through it.

Holy fucking shit.

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>>18135506
I'm going for a long introspection and self analysis, cause that made perfect sense to me.

As a psychology student some of this seems.... unlikely. I've read about the CIA projects like mkultra etc. Forced education to stimuli (say fear suppression) could be primed (the trigger) and associating the prime with the fear suppression is plausible under classical conditioning. To activate this a person (an adult for instance) would first require cognitive dissonance, making the persons cognitions and attitudes destroyed, thus creating new attitudes and control is possible by a authority figure (contoller) but it would be conscious and willing obedience. Causing trauma in children and associating the motivate to reduce held trauma via conditioning of a stimuli and a prime (trigger).

Theoriectically this stuff is possible, however execution of these tasks would be extremely difficult using time and almost 24/7 attention. If associations were not regularly maintained the person's triggers may deteriorate and become extinct.

>>18135629
Did you ever study formal logic, pure math, or statistics as a psychology student?

>>18135629
To add to this from a biological perspective, electrodes placed in certain parts of the brain could cause events to occur. For example, stimulation of the septum and or amygdala causes fear, aggression and anger. But for this to work you would have to still use the psychological methods for it to work

>>18135632
Yes to all three.

>>18135438
\
now talk about hunt

>>18135641
. a > b
. b > c
... c > a

Is this a valid argument?

>>18135610
Thats all monarch programming is. A way to secure infrastructure by molding the mind. Everybody does it, including religious institutes, why cant the government?

The way it has been becoming racist is not as explicit as one may perceive. Ofcourse nothing can top Jim Crows law.
We're a nation thats 60 percent or so white. However you only see white people with top positions. This is a form of guarantee. It guarantees them job placement but not labor. Does that make sense?

>>18135648
Yes it is

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>>18135665
. F > T
. T > T
... T > F

This is an invalid argument.

. F > F
. F > T
... T > F

This is an invalid argument.

. a > b
. b > c
... c > a

This is an invalid argument. As a psychology student, you're unfit to make a determination on what is rational and what is irrational.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity

>>18135677
Touché

I wasn't determining anything though, I was trying to explaining using theoretical frameworks and paradigms.

>>18126467
>are you kidding me?!!1!
source or youre just another schizo autist

>>18135629

I suggest you actually read the entirety of the 409 page book linked in
>>18126478
before you bless us with any more of your opinions on the subject.

>>18130964
>https://g.co/kgs/BkDvBJ

Op I don't know how people can listen to such awful music like that, and enjoy it. I couldn't stay for a minute. How does it program? and does it? and what do you think of the chicago drill rap scene, it just seemed to make the youth more violent.

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>>18135779
At the risk of being an idiot, I couldn't find the book on that page?

>>18126459
Soo... Zoolander's plot?

>>18137937

Linked to the wrong post, my bad.

https://fringechan.org/library/src/1456411474807-1.pdf

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>>18135677
Nobody has to study Smirnov to have a degree in psychology, but everyone studies Pavlov.

A little logic and math wouldn't hurt, but that's humanities you know.

The point he makes, besides him beign an student and foreign, it's still interesting.

Fear supression it's a thing, you can keep it going for as long as the subject isn't directly confronted by a different aproach and even then, it's an integral part of soldier training, and a part of performers training (to eliminate stage fright), the fake persona created by eliminating a basic part of the personality, like fear.

I kind of see how you can make this, into some kind of human manipulation, I have seen it in presidential campaigns, politics cannot be isolated, the constant reinforcement of the view points, the constant reminder of the pressure and such, gets people into a egotistical state of mind, that's the key to a succesful political career.

You can make people do what you want, early XX century psychologists bragged about it constantly and researchers in mind control are not really famous and their works are only read by a handfull of individuals and understood by fewer.

The use of digital media reinforcements for behavior triggers, opens a new wave of mind control theories, and we haven't even started to ponder how much widespread and effective this could be.

They are ahead of us, as always.

>>18126467
>This is common knowledge on /x/.
Been here forever and this has never been "common knowledge." You seem to think that everyone just believes the shit written here. Most of us know where the line between reality and fantasy is. You clearly do not.

>>18126504
Agreed. Everyone knows about the story... there is no new info, so what's the fucking point. As usual OP is a fag who doesn't even contribute to their own thread.

>>18130952
Literally this.

>>18126459
you dont see any threads about it because nobody cares about stuff they already know.

Come on, this is pleb level stuff, someone redpill this guy.

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>>18138150
Yeah, why not.

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>>18138192

Does this explain scat, bdsm, etc? How can so many people be so mentally ill to end up like that?

Or its just drugged retards?

I think the porn industry might be linked to mind control

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>>18138201
The infamous cuewave software, made by the company of H.G. Loos.

Allegedly it's a continuation of his patents for a mind control method using electromagnetic fields through monitors.

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>>18138224
Nope, that's just you all beign degenerates.

Manipulation of your sex drive it's an option tough.

It's not even hard, one of the oldest tricks of marketing.

>>18138056
>implying mk ultra/monarch/blue bird/artichoke are fantasy
>implying /x/ didn't have fun finding subliminal messages related to monarch programming in media for a long minute

Can you quit lying? It's easy to find sources with google, any /x/ oldfag would know about this

We're all in the vault and the governments the over seer

>>18138224
No of course not jackass. Pretty sure I've not been monarched but this evening I'll be bottoming for various initials like sm, ff, ws, cbt... because it's fun.

>>18138881

It's the same project.

Epic. Epic goverment.

>>18126502
Another interesting thing: the use of the word "submit" on the Internet (as a button you click to submit something). A probably unintentional double entendre, or maybe something more if you're paranoid enough.

>>18135629
>however execution of these tasks would be extremely difficult using time and almost 24/7 attention
Great post, from what researchers say on it it is, in fact, very time-consuming and they only do it to very important assets. It is, as you say, supposedly 24/7, including handlers always being around them and keeping surveillance on them even after the programming is done.

>>18130701
Is Don McLean a budget Bob Dylan?

The idea of this is too terrifying for most people to accept in spite of the evidence supporting its existence.

>>18140889

Are you surprised? The people cares about nothing but reproduction, bread and games.

They can't take responsibility for the world or for the dark stuff that is going on in the world.

>>18141701
When was the last time you took responsibility for the "dark stuff" in the world

>>18126467
>You guys really need to research this

someone asks for source so they can research this

>OMG THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE NEWFAG

>>18141701
Very interesting.
I always thought John Titor was just that a time travel of christian history. Many people forget. You know, "two thousand years ago in this day." Father (-1) Son (0) Holy Ghost (+1). 2004 Curse of the Bambino is Broken.
New Years is (3ad)
He began writing in 1998 about the real threat of the y2k virus. Which is the mix up. He time traveled from the year 2036 (36ad). He needed to bring something from the past to correct a future predicament. (37ad) year little nero was born. You know for the eons and eons and eons. Cycles and cycles and cycles. Most academics are so stupid in trying to research becausee rome burnt every evidence of those years. They were warring with Parthia. Scythia with Parthia and Goths.

>>18142495
Thats the military death penalty. Lol. History says the one of Herods children was offered Rule in the west. As long as he participated in a campaign and was successful. This would solidify that bloodline with line of Ceasars. Pontius Pilate was handling the paperwork.

>>18142546
Sorry aslong as he.

Meh.

Boring mortal shit.

>>18142546
Theyve killed over 3000 citizens over stupid crap on american land already according to rumors.

>>18135242
I was involved in experiments in the late 90's, long after the program is supposed to have stopped. When were you involved?

>>18135506
Actually, humans are viewed as one of the most easily replaceable commodities by certain factions.

>>18142603
Mid 90's to present.

>>18142610
You rule them by their minds. Their faith. Their hearts. Their sympathetic chords.
Example:
Pagan didnt mean people who worshipped many gods. It simply means those who are set to pay the price as they come.
Prophesy: means to threat.
Witchery: Poisoning.
You see how easy it is to control the minds by modern fabrication?
Astrology: research and investigating.

They all believed we were ruled by something. A magnetism, a force. A star. And if you are investigating its for selfish reasoning.

People are easily malleable. They all want to fit in.

Its easy to control the old tongue by modernizing it.

>>18142610
If you are an American
There have been 14 American Presidents. All created an elaborate devise. The only ones to create an elaborate devise or created as an elaborate devise. Rumor is there was no president until around 1812. George Washington was a general that lead a revolt against british sympathizers already in the U.S. James Madison is seen as the unoffical first president. Truman created Israel, knowing the whole story, as an elaborate plot. He was a KKK.
Now if i feed you the glorious. The story of sentiment. And call it official. Youd sense it as true right?
The story about the first three presidents was meant to put America first and foremost amongst its neighbors. Reality is most colonies in the Americas. Found independence around the same time.

The British empire was not so expansive. They also seem to add the size of its former colonies into that map. Everyone says why do the Brits fight over islands? Before the invention of satellite imaging. It would boost up their credentials. And if they have an island in every region the voice of the peoples would help their commerce. The spanish and portuguese just had Africa, Americas. But the Brits had island just off the coast that helped them get entry. Now as for falkland islands? It is said that antarctica belongs to south america. Geopolitical influence.
Its the mind fuck of boasting and making everyone think over their heads.

>>18142801
14 masonic presidents.

>>18142801
The straight of megellan is the straight dividing south america and antarctica. If you know seafaring you know they never go through death traps and try to find the cleanest route. Welcome to the world of Mark Ultra-Nationalist. You Mechanical Dummy.

>>18135459
I wanna say that one school shooters dad had some kind of relation to libor as well... can't recall, not close to my other computer right now...

>>18135242
>>18142603
>>18142712

Wouldnt be a stretch to imagine that this kind of thread would be a way to find those subjects involved in this kind of stuff who would be foolhearty enough to talk about it or who had slipped through the cracks...

>>18142712
Hallucinogens? Psychic weapons recruitment/training?

>>18143084
Or RP

>>18127239
temple of set was not really an "offshoot" of lavey satainism, actually a lot of people involved in it hated lavey

>>18140306
Not even. He's a budget Paul Simon.

what does everyone know about the whole hollywood paedophilia ring thing?

>>18134744
>calling out disinfo agents is strictly a /pol/ act

Faggot.

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it is most effective if done over several generations- though by the third generation the parapsychological capabilities become incredibly dangerous and not even artifical sub dermal microwave/tetra receivers (usually wired beside the lower side of the left eardrum) can stop hivemind interactions with those they pass in their daily lives, nor the hypnosis. (essentially that is what monarch programming is- the sexual truama on the child puts them in dissociative state, hypnotic commands are shouted/whispered/whatever into them by the adult abuser/s. all in conjunction with moon phases, plantery alignments etc).

mon arch- my arc. also research on monarch butterflies proved manipulated traits on parents passed to their offspring. hence why monarch programming is intergenerational. (in the uk it is known as c.o.s.m.o.s.). mk (mind kill) ultra is the cia version (who did the research on monarch butterflies).

but this nefarious shit goes back centuries.

but hark! their flesh puppets are fighting back and that is why the global death cult aka hidden hand are utterly shitting themselves.

skull and bonesmen lay in a coffin and share their sexual history and desires simply to ensure none of them will fuck any of their fellow bonesmen (past, present, future) as each has dirt on each other. ditto freemasons, knights of malta etc. btw 322 in the skull and bones pertains to the death of artistotle in 322bc. s&b date their correspondence 322 years ahead of the present year
proof-
http://images.library.yale.edu/madid/oneItem.aspx?id=1772730&q=skull%20and%20bones&q1=&q2=&qc1=&qc2=&qf1=&qf2=&qn=&qo=&qm=15&qs=16&sid=&qx=

psalm aka palms 144

words is my sword

>>18130931

>Your idea that public schools could be used as a programming house is interesting though. High-school especially is such a weird fucked up place where the emphasis is definitely not on learning.

High school is a representation of the larger world. Nothing more.

The jocks are the rich people and politicians. They not only get away with being evil, but they are even praised.
The nerds are the impotent smart people, who can't prevent evil in the world, despite their smartness.
You have a lot of people who have no idea what they're doing, who they are or what their future will be, just like in the real world.
Then on the absolute bottom you have the outcasts who are shamed and bullied. They are victims, but they are also made to feel like they are responsible for their own debasement. Just like in the real world.

Is high school cruel and unjust? Absolutely. Just like the real world.

>>18126459
> Monarch mind control
> wizard-of-oz

>>18146891
> sigil . gif

Sigil gif looks like a symbolic representation of a cinema projector to me.

>>18126585
They must be proud of their best test subject, Nicki Minaj

>>18134307

There's something fucking freaky about that forum topic. Obvious teenagers, weebs and deranged women are happily discussing the ways of systematic rape and torture with a self-proclaimed psyop sociopath, like it's a new episode of goddamn Gilmore Girls.

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>>18147465
Welcome to the XXI century anon, I hope you die soon enough.

>>18147465

Seriously? We are on /x/ the most deranged forum on the most deranged imageboard on the Internet (which is pretty deranged by itself).

Where if not here can we discuss this stuff?

>>18147500
Dude, can you read? I wasn't talking about /x/.

>>18147519

Oh, ok. I thought because you said weebs.

>>18143060
If i recall correctly both james holmes father and adam lanzas father were involved with the whole LIBOR thing

>>18126550
>Musicians
>make money
>Year 1997+29
>still thinking people pay for music
I bet you're the sort of person that buys/rents hardcopies of pornography.

>>18147907

Musicians' primary source of income have always been live concerts, and that has never been more true.

>>18147878
Yeah I had screenshots of an article from right after the lanza thing that talked about that topic/'coincidence'. Webpage disappeared same day.

>>18147878
>Implying Adam Lanza existed

>>18149564
"Adam" was most likely manipulated photos of Ryan lanza as a child.

>somebody is doing all the shooting

>>18150750
somebodies are
>doing all the shooting

ftfy

>>18147907
check your math faggot

doesn't scientology use this?

>>18150946
All cults use mind control, and all mind control uses cults (including the military, a lot of it is just a special form of peer pressure)

Wizard of Oz was made in 1939. Did they have a time machine in 1953 to plant these suggestions 14 years in the past? Lol!

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So here's a thought. If this process requires "shattering" a person, what happens to people who go through experiences that "shatter" them that are just the result of their normal lives? (e.g. traumatic experiences with other people, growing up psychological abuse similar to what these programmers/handlers use, surviving a murder attempt, etc.)

Are they just psychologically glitched out? Is it the mental equivalent of an injection-hack? Are they more or less susceptible to outside influences?

I'm seriously really curious about all this now.

>>18152315
Supposedly, the process would still require you (the handler) to stay near the person and inject them with hypnosis and shit all the time. A "shattered" person is just a very weak person.
But people are tough, so if you aren't there right after the "breaking", they'll just heal and get over it with psychological scars. No one stays sad because of their mother's death forever.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-tB2lUe7fRY

Rosanne Barr discusses mk ultra in this video... It's a real thing

And I believers used to control us to be better consumers and slaves to corporations...

>>18126542
It system enslaves us to them and corporations... It makes us not have morals... And only find happiness through material things... Making us better consumers ... And giving the corporate giants control... Of our money... Thoughts.. Wants ...

Mk ultras perpose is to make us better consumers ... And make us slaves to the elite in every single way...

>>18134744
Holy shit I knew the "go back to pol" posters were shills

>>18152315
>So here's a thought. If this process requires "shattering" a person, what happens to people who go through experiences that "shatter" them that are just the result of their normal lives?

Disassociation and MPD.

>>18135677
Lol fucking kill yourself

>>18152781
Not necessarily. After a person has been shattered, light reinforcement can be used. A shattered person isn't "weak", they're fragmented and susceptible to suggestion.

>>18132819
why are you even here

>>18138056

>its not real because i say it isnt ecks dee

kys

>>18138224
How can you even compare BDSM to scat? lol people are just pervs, man.

>>18126502
Whats a better word to use instead?

>>18152315
That's not shattering, as per it's accepted definition within circles. Most developmental trauma is exactly that, trauma. Some ways for the mind to handle those traumas include the development of MPD or dissociation, but they include a lot of other potential mental illnesses as well, and the basis of many personality disorders. It depends on a combination of genetics and environment what will ultimately happen.

Some people are also naturally resilient, and for whatever reason abuse or trauma doesn't affect them as badly as others.

This is totally different then shattering though, the difference is methodology and intent. It's not enough to simply traumatize somebody, to be a professional you have to have a deep underlying familiarity with that person and their psychodynamics. You have to repeat the trauma and apply the pressure where it is most likely to create the desired results. It's not the abuse born out of parental neglect or deep perversion; it is targeted and cauterized and cuts the intended recipient off from mechanisms the mind would generally use to cope with such an abuse.

>>18154071
So they focus on dissociation, they expect people to escape to a fantasy world.

Then they make reality fit with that fantasy world, that's the theory anyway, cases are hard to come by, the person that believes and lives that fantasy, it's a sane person.

Their internal world it's functional, and it reflects in the external world, they're not crazy people, they have crazy lives.

It's a result of extensive therapy, mixed with a plan for the individual, to fill a role.

Some creepy shit.

>>18138056
>Been here forever
Clearly not because I've been here forvever faggot, kys.

>>18154333
yeah, you could call it "therapy"
I think it would be more accurate to call it "behavioral modification". it's a means orientated agenda with clear goals and outcomes.

Of course the shattered asset passes for sane if their programming holds up. If it breaks down you have seen the result in "rehab" cases. It looks an awful lot like insanity. The truth is trauma is messy and while new "doctors" have come up with many neat tricks to make it hold together better, taping up humpty dumpty is not easy or foolproof.

Ideally, if the handler has any skills, the general mental health of the asset should be sound - they should be able to work, perform, optimally. If they are breaking down all the time something is going wrong. Debugging is needed. Some are simply not cut out for the process.

The handler could probably make the asset 'lose it' if that were the goal. Of course, it's not, there is a symbiosis between the asset and the handler. They do both want to succeed. Celebs, despite what they suffer for, love the feeling of being on top. They love the limelight. And their 'programming' is made to make them feel genuinely special for being chosen, despite the suffering.

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>>18147007
>This is what nerd outcasts actually believe.
No, wonder no one liked you.

>>18147907
>can't even do basic math
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>>18154350
Yes, that's the breaking point, the separation between goals and rewards, it's applied conductism.

It remind me of the old Lewis Black joke "like a trained bear".

>>18135199
>1994
>birth...Am I a lost cause?

>>18147007
my high school didn't have any jocks

>>18132375

Are you serious? Look at his eyes.

A normal person couldn't look that way even if he tried. Hell even if a person smokes weed he doesn't look that way. He looks like a fucking zombie or empty shell.

>>18156407
This is not me - I'm quoting a source here. But some of you may find this information helpful.

"Self-realized DID is almost impossible to diagnose, but there are certain things to look for that most psychologists would likely overlook. The most telling is 'the monarch', which, we discussed earlier; the glazed, dazed, lost look between alters. This is sometimes accompanied by a dip in heart rate and blood pressure, a quick, altered/trancelike state. It's short and easily missed. Fakers often misunderstand this bit - turning their 'switch' into some big event involving their hands, facial expression, and body language. Authentic DID demonstrates either a moment of 'freeze' or of loss of body control instead. Switching in authentic DID should be briefly surprising to the summoned alter as well, in those cases when these alters are unaware of the core's experiences."

if anybody has played bioshock, there is that trope [spoiler] where midway through the game we find out that MC is being triggered to obey every time he heard the phrase "would you kindly"[/spoiler]
That wouldn't be totally realistic.
ideally a trigger would have a couple of sensory components (not just auditory, as in this case). To trigger an asset with only one of these 'fragments' is what most professionals would consider a case of 'oversensitization' of the trigger, which can lead generalization and a host of problems.

Of course, the 'trigger phrase' trope has been done to death in almost every form of media. It's not false per sea, but it's misleading.

oops...well I spoiled bioshock. sorry.

>>18126478
Clinton was very clean cut and touchy, he desensitized himself to wish around large crowds and closer to people.

BUT He was a known bisexual deviant but kept it to himself, and kept his act safe. Soon as anyone found out he thinks dudes are cute they tried to use it to blackmail him.

That's Mason mind control. Threats and bullying. Monarch mind control uses chemicals.

>>18156719
>where midway through the game we find out that MC is being triggered to obey every time he heard the phrase "would you kindly"

That's called "being in a relationship"

>>18153967
>its real because i say so el oh el

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yes/no?

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The problem with today's Monarchesque conditioned slaves is their shelf life. Depending on how much relative freedom they have you burn through them within a few years and have to replace them. If you keep them only for personal use and don't get too fancy with their conditioning they may last a decade though. An expensive luxury.

>>18156769

MK-ULTRA (the definitely-real CIA mind control experimentation program in the 50s and 60s) tried many techniques, including drugs.

"Monarch" (the theoretical successor program) uses the data gathered by the MK-ULTRA experiments, but according to the primary source (Cathy O'Brien's "Trance-Formation of America"), it uses trauma-based mind control.

This is actually less far-fetched than it might seem, as we have documented links between the MK-ULTRA programs and the "enhanced interrogation" and psychological warfare techniques that have come into recent use. These techniques are almost exclusively trauma-based, and eerily mirror the claims made by alleged Monarch survivors -- sensory deprivation, sexual humiliation, complete physical and psychological control of the victim, etc.

>>18158790

Trauma based control is a lot more effective. You can essentially short-circuit someone to lapse into a state of learned helplessness rather than resist the person giving them commands or trying to escape. As I alluded to above though, keeping someone in that state perpetually causes brain damage.

>>18126459
I have a theory that monarch programming is central to the show Mr. Robot.

Elliott is a victim of ALPHA programming and has dissociative identity disorder as a result of deliberately induced trauma (remember that the plan to eradicate all debt was originally his father's. I think his dad made a deal with the dark army to take care of Elliot once he had died but the caveat was he had to induce significant trauma on him while he was a child so that he would be ripe for programming later. That's why he pushed him out the window)

Angela is a victim of BETA programming as she's disregarded her morals and become overtly sexual this season (her dad says he doesn't recognize her)

all the dark army soldiers are victims of DELTA programming as evident from their immediate suicides following their completion of orders

>>18159510
They mention the use of popular films to introduce morals or concepts into the victim. Elliot mentions his favorite movie is Back to the Future 2 in which Marty McFly returns to a dystopian 1985 in which Biff is a casino mogul who murdered George McFly without consequence. This is similar to E Corp killing Elliot's dad. It introduces the idea that the world is not how it should be and needs to be fixed which is Elliot's motivation.

>>18159526
There's also the use of child slaves by the dark army. We have only seen one (the girl who interviews Angela) but we can gather that she is controlled by abuse. This girl brings up the question of "how many other characters have been mind controlled dark army slaves since they were children?" One strong possibility is that Leon has been with the dark army since he was a child. He's unremittingly loyal to them and seems to have been trained as an assassin.

>>18159539
What's more is that the main character's name "Elliot Alderson" is a reference to "alters" and he is the son of his alternate personality. So that raises the question of who is Elliot's handler. The answer is Angela. She was there when Elliot was in the library screaming at the staff because they couldn't see who he saw, when Elliot realized Darlene was his sister and Mr Robot was the memory of his dad, and finally at the end of this season she remarks to Tyrell that it's important that she is the first person Elliot sees when he wakes up.

>>18126459
Dave McGowan's Programmed to Kill is a pretty good intro to this topic, though sometimes poorly cited and occasionally makes logically sloppy arguments

>>18135643
Michael Hunt?

>>18134744

That's some naughty language, young man.