Is the Astral Plane a real place that you can visit with your

That's like asking if our reality is real and the answer is no.

>>17985584
What are dreams anon?

>>17985584
I wish i can tell you :/

Ive been trying for years. My gf though, when i instructed her to do it...she did it on her 2nd try. She visited her grandmother and vividly described how her house look like, but since her grandmother is a cunt, she couldn't call and confirm if she indeed had green bedspreads ><

>>17985584
>s the Astral Plane a real place that you can visit with your soul
Yes, it takes practice though.
>or are a bunch of people just having lucid dreams and thinking they're on some distant plane of reality?
It's easy to discern a lucid dream from astral projection once you have done both,

My first experience with AP:
>go to sleep
>have dream where there was a hooded figure surrounded by candles and markings
>almost like they somehow managed to summon me or something in a dream
>feel them gently push me down something
>wake up on floor
>everything is heavy
>no sense of smell, taste, hearing, etc.
>look over onto bed
>there I am
>realize I'm out of body
>try to walk out of room
>find it easier just to float
>move about .5mph for that it somehow takes a lot of mental strength just to fucking move
>got out of room
>try to go through wall
>see the plumbing on the inside
>try to float upwards out of house
>wake up

Since then I've wondered about that hooded figure.

The astral plane can basically be thought of as a giant lucid dream that formed from humanity's collective consciousness. It's just basically like a non-physical 'atmosphere' that covers Earth. It's very real and is described in many different cultures.

It also happens to be where 'spirits' hang out.

>>17985637
Huh, I had a dream once that involved what I perceived to be 5 witches, sitting in the outer segments of a pentagram. I awoke, couldn't move my body and everything shook very violently, accompanied by a corresponding loud vibrating noise.

I was scared as fuck and fought to move and get out of bed, which succeeded after a couple of seconds. I still am pissed about passing the opportunity, it never happened again.

This happened shortly after reading one of Monroes books, which also was my first book on Astral Projection.

No idea what that was, or if it meant anything, but it was interesting nonetheless.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Htu8FchIjg4

Is it dangerous?

>>17985637
The hooded figures always reminded me of the 3 Fates.
My partner has encountered them while astral projecting.

>>17985584
So astral plane is a real simulation done in your imagination - that you can visit with your conscious awareness.

>>17985588
has to word real in it, is not real

>wat

>>17985584
Well, I've seen an article on wikipedia about this matter a few years ago. I wanted to share the link but I cannot seem to find it now.

Basically it was written there that US government tried to use astral projection for espionage and actually had a secret program to prove that it's real and "train" the spies. This research, financed by US military, was going on for more than 10 years if I remember correctly, and the basic idea was that they will place some kind of information or item somewhere around the world and the "travelers" should have go there while projecting and find out what it is.

The most interesting about the whole article was however the exact citation cut from the Final conclusion of a head scientist who was working on this project.

Basically the whole program was shut down in the 90s because they found out it had no military use. They tested hundreds of people through this "find a message" scenario and concluded, that even though a certain percentage of them were able to obtain the message, the overall "astral projection" experience simply vary too much from individual to individual, describing it as totally different mashup of senses, where some people could feel the most, others could hear.. others see, etc.

Sorry, I don't recall the whole thing totally correctly but what really intrigued me is that the scientist highlighted the fact that it does indeed work, only that it has no military use and therefore the research was stopped.

And what's more shocking, this was all written in an official Wikipedia article. I am not making this up, why would I? It only bothers me a bit that I cannot find the article anymore.

>>17985938
Short answer: No
Long Answer: No, because you found Christ.

Pic stolen from the new game Chronicles of Elyria in case anyone was wondering

>>17986275
Well yeah. After I got baptized I've no longer been attacked. It works.

>>17986259
Hey buddy. The thing you speak of was called Project Stargate, here is the Wiki article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

>>17986301
I don't think the baptism itself had much to do with it.
It was more about your will honoring and acknowledging God by yourself and forming a covenant with our creator.

>>17986326
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

Yep, that's it. Thank You dear anon.

>>17985588
There is no spoon

I have a question about lucid dreaming. I've got pretty good at meditating before going to sleep but right when im about to drift off there's loud vibration in my ears that I can manage to slow but it keeps me from crossing over any idea tips or help would be appreciated

>>17986414

I know that feeling very well anon. Sometimes is really loud and I fill my head exploding. Try to focus on your body or try to drift your attention to other senses. Even hearing, I once turned it to music i could somehow control.

I didn't dominated it well when it was happening to me, but it gets easier with time.

are there people who can't lucid dream or astral project? ive been trying for over a year and the most ive experienced is incredibly vivid dreams in which I've felt I've lived another life, but ive never been able to control it at all, i've tried everything besides meditation

>>17985584
I dunno

I only reached the Astral Plane by taking 900ug of LSD. Shit was insane. Talked and danced with the Machine elves. They showed me what my life would look like if I continued on the path I was taking in my life. The curtains have been pulled from my eyes.

I am currently working on methyl thethyl trepil tripil hydroxyli banna... :) It may be amazing experience even without psylocine apearing in air around it but I dont have straw to suck it because I miss the third one. :D

>>17985619
wat

need step by step guide to astral projection

tyia

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Meet on the astral plane in the next 45 minutes if you want an ass kicking.

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Methods to enter lucid dream and methods to enter AP are remarkably similar and that all that seems to be different is intent.

Referring to the WILD method specifically.

Apparently you can AP from inside a LD though, again with intent.

I've had few LD's, no successful WILDs and no AP's so I can't say much more on the matter beyond how often I think about that too and how badly I want to find out if AP and LD's are seperate and distinct states (or foci of consciousness) or if AP is just an LD induced through intent so you enter a LD but think you are APing because that was your intent, and inside a LD when you decide to AP you enter what seems like a different plane but its just the LD forming around to resemble what you expect an AP to look like, based off what you read about how they look like.

I dont know man, just hard to say.

The other thing is, AP or OBE to your surroundings, observe something outside that you didnt know about or see today, then end the AP/OBE and go outside and look for that thing/whatever and see if it looks the same as it did then, that might be real proof and evidence of AP/OBE being a distinct and separate experience from LD but its difficult to prove to others even if you had it, its highly subjective in that sense but could be the thing that would convince you the most.

That's also my goal.

>tfw been talking and posting about this stuff for fucking years but barely committed to anything or achieved any breakthroughs yet

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>>17989790
>tfw been talking and posting about this stuff for fucking years but barely committed to anything or achieved any breakthroughs yet

so much fucking this

>>17989864
I have porn addiction to blame, this mundane but powerful distraction gradually took me off the spiritual path, still has, still trying to get back on it, still failing, still trying, still nothing

;-;

>>17985584
You do not visit the astral plane with your soul. The astral plane is supposed to be between the mental and the etheric plane.
Imagine the planes as vibration. One vibrates higher, more dense than the other.
With astral traveling or projecting you're shifting your consciousness to another vibrational level. That what I learned about it.
I only had one experience with astral traveling where I managed to get "there"

>>17989946
>shifting your consciousness

The whole "phase shifting" thing right?

It was kind of a mind blow for me when I first read about it on astral pulse or somewhere.

That you do not move anywhere when you AP/OBE but your consciousness phase shifts to a different plane from reality, though your body is still there laying on your bed like you're sleeping and dreaming but instead of the dream planes your in the lucid dream, AP, or OBE planes or foci of consciousness

It makes sense but I haven't had any experience like that of my own to confirm it for me

I've had a many LDs, but only 1 OBE, and it was many years ago.
It was so goddamn convincing I'm sure I will remember it forever.

Silly thing was, I could only float above my bed, and couldn't do much other than hover horizontally, see my body and the room, and touch and feel the bed sheet covering my body. Still, it was mindblowing to experience something like that

>>17990219
Argh you're so lucky. Knowing me I would panic and freak out at the sensation and force myself out of it before the OBE would even happen and fuck up my chance of an incredible life-changing experience because of irrational fear lol.

I had this idea for years though that when I have an OBE I'll float out of my window and look at the cars parked outside the street, and the general situation on the street and then immediately force myself out or wait for the OBE to end then look outside and see if the real view matches up with what I saw in the OBE.

I think something simple like that would do a lot to convince me, problem is actually getting the OBE, actually putting in the effort and stuff and not losing motivation 3 days in...

Bumpers

They say there's a silver chord attached to your soul during OBE. That could be a distinguisher, or it could arise from your preconceived notion in a LD. I've only been in 3rd person when I once was looking at just my face smashed against the pillow. There was a negative entity drawing tribal markings on my face so I passed out and woke up.

bump damn

>>17989943
I masturbate every once in a while to porn and to loli douhjins and have sex as often as can and still have lucid dreams once or twice a month. I think you can express your sexuality and still be spiritual. Practice is the key, divide your time betwen porn and spirituality

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>>17993950
>I think you can express your sexuality and still be spiritual. Practice is the key, divide your time between porn and spirituality

I came to that realization only recently, instead of trying to separate the two and delay my spiritual development when I would be inevitably hooked on porn for days and weeks.

But that's the problem now, the porn addiction is so strong and rooted that even recognizing that is not enough, even telling myself that I should stop wasting time browsing porn for hours and focus on lucid dream/meditation techniques so that I can at least experience the porn stuff and all my fetishes there in lucid dreams, far better than I can using just the internet or my imagination, is not enough to help me stop continuing to waste so much of my productive time with porn.

I won't even focus and put my effort into meditation and lucid dreaming where once successful I can experience far better and more vivid porn than anything on the internet, because the latter is instant and requires the least effort.

Godamnit I'm so fucked up, I cant balance the two out, porn and mindless fapping will come easily, while I can struggle and delay for weeks to just meditate for 20 or 30 minutes a single day of the week.

Just fuck my shit up

>>17985608

paintings in your mind so your soul can feel at peace with your disturbing reality

One time I did this and met a rainbow dragon. It threatened me and I had to stab it with my sword. Tru fact.

>>17994048
Dude, lucid dreaming is far easier than you think. Start doing reallity checks as often as possible when youre awake and one day you will achive it. As for the sex in lucid dreams it sure is great but is not eaven close to the joy you get from other things you can do when you can basaclly do anything you can imagine. Flying for instance, is one of the things I do as soon I realize Im dreaming. The firs time I did it, I was enjoying it so much that I started to cry in happines and then I woke up.

>>17985637
>>have dream where there was a hooded figure surrounded by candles and markings
>>17985697
>what I perceived to be 5 witches

What the fuck is this

>>17986330

Hold on. Does this mean I can't AP because of my beliefs, or that I won't as likely be attacked by an entity because of my beliefs, or both?

>>17994543

there's some dark shit astral projectin', yo

>>17994543
lucid dreaming.

>>17985584
The Astral Plane is one of the explanations people have come up to explain why the hell we dream.

But nah, it doesn't exist. This universe abides by very strict laws and doesn't allow for shit like that. You can't simply duplicate your entire brain when you sleep to have a new "me" wandering around defying gravity, phasing through walls and experiencing shit without having any of the five senses.

Not possible. I've myself dreamt of my dead father, and I know that what I saw was just based on memories. Dead people stay dead, they don't phase into something else without scientific explanation.

>>17994048
I'm in the exact same position. Fuck it. I'm quitting porn and masturbating altogether. I feel like that'll motivate me to lucid dream more.

>>17985637

What's really going to cook your noodle is that it was some /x/ kid that summoned you.

>>17985655
>described in many different cultures.

such as?

>>17996318
Ha we don't even know for certain that our current laws of physics apply outside of our solar system, we know a few don't for sure and an exception to most laws can be found somewhere. Our universe is not set in stone so don't pretend it is. The more knowladge we gain about the universe the more we understand we will never know anything with certainty.
As for the "astral plane" it exist as consciousness does, not shakeled by any restraints placed on the physical. Its a collective idea, where consciousnesses can interact without physical impedance. Not all dreams are within this "plane" but it exists as much as your or my free will

>>17985584
I'm a lucid dreamer.

I think you got it in one. People confusing dream experiences for OBE's or astral projection.

INB4 "no its not; my [subjective experience] proves it was paranormal."
Your experiences in dreams (especially lucid dreams) are heavily dictated by your expectations.
You expect to have some mystical shit happen and therefore it does. Same way I can expect to become a planet eating demon in a lucid dreams and it happens.

>>17998075
Think of it this way.

We've had 10000s of years of shamans, mystics, yogi's, psychics ect... telling us that there's more to the world than our bodies. In that great amount of time, nothing has been achieved as a result. No great revelation has come, no techniques have been refined, no spirit has ever told us anything we didn't already know.

On the other hand there's been perhaps, 200 good years of philosophers and scientists who have disregarded this worldview and taken to studying the physical universe in a rigorous way. As a result, we are now having a discussion instantaneously across continents.

If you acknowledge that materialism seems to be the more useful worldview, please write a response. If you disagree, come find me in the astral plane in 4 hours and spirit-link me your rebuttal.

>>17985584
Actual astral travel is a different thing than lucid dreaming. It is an actual, "physical" (felt like that to me) thing you can do that is not sleep or even dream related at all.

I think it's all just lucid dreaming and people who experience higher levels of lucidity think it's astral projection

>>17998165
Science can't explain the origin of consciousness let alone fathom its creation
>inb4 its just electrical pulses
Explain ideas with this, how do new ideas come to be if it is just a result of biological computing, has to be user input, who's the user of your body, your conciseness.
Regardless science agrees that the universe is nothing but a bunch of different frequencies. Just as we can't hear ultrasonic noises because they are above the frequency our ears can perceive or ultraviolet photons because they are a frequency above what our eye's can perceive, we can't experience this "plane" with our bodies because it exist on a frequency above all of the sensory equipment of your body.
How do I know how to find you, do you expect us to be the only beings in such a place. That's just like saying come see me, without telling me where to meet you. Or do you just think I am some omnipotent being that just knows the thereabouts of everyone

>>17998238
Except that the origin of consciousness is that it is an emergent property of the neuron activity and it was created via evolutionary pressures on our ancestors.

Bigger brain -> More problem solving and social ability -> genetic success -> bigger brain.

While its true that science cannot fully bridge the qualia gap. So Far it hasn't found any evidence that it can never be bridged. And again, we have something like 80 years of good neuroscience done. Give us another 80 and the 'mysteries' of the consciousness will be countable on one hand.

New ideas are generated as needed by our brains using our intelligence. For example, this rebuttal i'm making right now, its a 'new idea". I didn't read it somewhere or have it beamed to me from the 'consciousness plane', I simply read your post and my big meaty brain came up with a suitable response. Problem, reaction, solution.

If you're correct and consciousness and intelligence came from elsewhere, why aren't all idea's available from the moment of conception? Why did we have to invent the wheel before we could imagine the racecar?

And the last part of my post was a joke. Pointing out again how incredibly profitable materialism is compared to dualism.

>>17998254
I see you are well educated. And your use of the word materialism scares me, to me it implys a suggestive knowledge and acceptance of "dualism" as you call it, but a self denence toward it.
I didn't say consciousness was from elsewhere. It is a sequence of "memories"/imprints from sensory input onto energy that finds itself trapped in vessels. This energy signature then gets imprinted onto the neural network, or brain so that the constant flow of energy through the vessel or body retains the memories/imprints. Otherwise it would soon return to a natural state devoid of attachment to a living vessel. Now with the understanding of quantem entanglement as long as you have a viable host/living body you can more or less be anywhere.
The "astral plane" as people call it is a state devoid of sensory input, everything perceived is as energy flows and as such physical restraints don't exist. It's a bit hard to put into words. Sorta like how you can't interact with light and other high frequency waveforms but it can still effect you.

When you imagine something
Where do you go?
The usual representation is like a 'TV set in your mind' turning on and letting you put whatever you want on screen
Try and use it effectively?
Tune in to other peoples channels?
Make your own relaty TV show?
Avoid it at all costs and hide yourself?

>>17998337
This TV shit is kinda annoying to me, both just closing my eyes and imagining things and also in dreams, I often just see myself in third person or some other camera and can't keep myself in "first person" like when awake.

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>>17998327
You also seem to be well informed. And you're a perceptive one too. Its true that I'm well versed in topics of both sides of the rails so to speak. And while I might be waving the flag of materialism in this thread, I could just as easily be arguing the other side. To me learning is not a game of true and false. I simply find that the outcomes offered by a materialist viewpoint are usually more favourable.

For example I know that's not how quantum entanglement works in practice. A human body is far too cumbersome a thing to be able to maintain such a fragile connection, since even the lightest interaction will sever a quantum link.

>>17998368
You bring up a good point saying the lightest interaction can sever the link, this is why our body does thing like the sleep paralysis phanomina occur, not to say everything sleep paralysis related is to do with such but that its an evolutionary trait to give us easy cut off from the perceptive/materialistic sensory world so that we may easier experience the universe for its alternating frequencies and not what we perceive them as. But to the conscious mind is veiwd as what we have previously perceived, hence why most people experience familiar places, as we have viewed these frequencies/energy signatures but perceived them as places and objects. So when we experience similar frequency's whilst devoid of sensory input as ones been previously perceived/imprinted whilst being sensory awear our minds create a unified image as a result. but since in our foreminds we can't even fathom what things look like just observing frequency's as they exist without our combined sensory input so things don't look quite the same or things are off.
Cont

>>17998482
Cont

Anyway all this is semantics. Materialism creates destruction even if all intentions are well placed. Not to say I don't like the material world it is rather pleasurable. But the thing with materialism is that anything that exists must have an end, materialism is fueled by destruction. Life requires resources this is true on any level, but as all the destruction of materialism goes on energy still flows as it always has in varying frequencies that are in the are in the end unchanged by the materialism and its process of begging and end.
My favorite way to view it all is like the universe is someone with multiple personality disorder and every being withing is just one of its personalities.
I suppose in the end this is all to go to say that when you look hard enough everything is the same, the smaller you go, say atoms, or even quarks there you begin to find everything is made up of the same stuff just perceived differently under different circumstances I.e bringing sensory awear as to a state devoid of bodily senses.

>>17998210

Very possible.

>>17996318
M8 if M-theory proves to be correct then our universe may just be one among a billion or trillion membranes composed of the multiverse, there could be universes with wildly different laws of physics or distributions of the primary elements of matter - Helium and Hydrogen after its creation big bang, than our own.

One other theory places us as living inside a blackhole, or a whitehole, there is still so much about our outside cosmic existence we are unaware of and can only guess and infer of, outside of the observable universe. The same is true for consciousness and our inner universe so to speak.

>>17998183
But your body is unconscious during it right? If we use the phase shift theory here, your consciousness is focused on a different plane than reality, a higher one, the astral plane but your body is just unconscious yet functioning, because you haven't physically moved anywhere you simply shifted your conscious focus right?

>>17998183

No, they're essentially the same.

>>17999833
You cant say that matter of factly if you never had both, by that I mean had regular lucid dreams and then another time had an AP after a successful attempt, and then noticed no discernible difference.

>>17999797
Not him, but that's what i also believe to be true.

>>17999797
Sorry for the late reply. Well, I guess you could say your body is unconscious, that's one way of putting it. You aren't aware of it (in fact there are lodge stories of people dying while astral travelling when exposed to the elements for long periods of time). You have shifted your consciousness point.

>>17999833
No, they are not. You can only think that if you have never traveled astrally, in the classic (and true) sense. You're just reasoning on what you think to be true due to your lack of experience. I can induce lucidity in dream and I have astral traveled, and they are not at all the same thing. For fuck's sake, man, in one you're asleep and inside your head, and the other...you're not! ha

>>17990203
I have. Once, on accident, when I was 12. I didn't know what it was at the time and it was terrifying.

I was sleeping in my bed, and then thought I was getting up to pee. I have a dim night light in my bathroom, and as I pass by the mirror, I see my body is not there. I start flickering the light on and off, and it won't turn on. I go as close as I can go the mirror trying to see my self and I start screaming

>>18000042
>there are lodge stories of people dying while astral travelling when exposed to the elements for long periods of time). You have shifted your consciousness point.

That seems hard to believe, your body would wake you up and thus your conscious focus would immediately revert to the default physical plane if there is even a slight hint of danger or distress I thought, especially something like dropping body temperature, no?

>>18000062
Sounds like it could just have been a regular lucid dream or just a nightmare

>>18000071
What? When I came back to my room, I saw my body laying down. Don't be in denial, just because You haven't experienced It, doesn't mean it isn't real

>>17998147
Did you really do that in a lucid dream?

How hard is it to shape shift in lucid dreams?

>>18000201
Yep. I dreaming about chasing after someone who kept escaping me and I got frustrated so I flew up, away from the planet and started growing till I could easily fit earth in the palm of my hand. Then I ate it. Interestingly earth was warm, a crunchy shell with a gooey centre like a cadbury cream egg.

Shape shifting isn't that hard, like all things in lucid dreams it mostly takes practice and expectation.

>>18000119
No you misunderstood me or maybe I misunderstood you. Anyways if something like that were to happen to me I would still have my doubts it wasnt just a lucid dream instead of an AP or what in your case seems like an OBE.

I don't know if AP and OBE are the same but some say they arent and that OBEs happen in a plane or focus level of consciousness just before the Astral Projection plane/focus level.

Anyways I wouldn't be convinced just by that I think. The possibility that AP and OBEs are just a type of lucid dream - one that is altered by conscious intent and feels or looks nothing like the standard lucid dreams you have but is essentially no different from them has as much validity as the possibility that lucid dreams, astral projection and OBEs are distinct states and the latter two prove that consciousness exists outside of our physical bodies.

Especially since the entry methods and techniques for these three experiences are so similar, especially the WILD method.

For all we know, these could just be WILD induced lucid dreams, from which you attempt to go into the dream directly from the conscious state, lying in bed as your body falls asleep and your mind enters the dream forming around you and you are fully lucid and aware its a dream. This method is also one talked about for inducing AP and OBE states of consciousness so their similarity is important to keep in mind.

But theres a few ways to prove that its not just an AP or OBE "themed" lucid dream. Such as exploring the area around you, noticing whats there and going back to your body, getting up and checking out if matches up with what you saw while having an OBE. Another maybe would be if you succeed in getting an OBE or AP directly after going to bed and practicing the technique, since sleep and dream researchers tell us it is nearly impossible to enter REM sleep directly after going to bed, which is why most WILDers tell you to wake up and perform the WILD ~5 hours after you went to sleep.

>>18000524
Contd..

So if you just lie in bed performing an OBE or AP technique and you had a good nights rest and a good sleep schedule so you are not behind on any REM sleep and such, and the technique succeeds and you have a succesful AP or OBE its possible that it really was real and something other than a lucid dream, especially if you wake up shortly after having it and not much time has passed, whereas for a WILD lucid dream thats rare apparently, you need sleep beforehand to enter the REM state, or wake yourself up by alarm around the time you are in REM sleep and then perform the WBTB or WILD technique to induce a lucid dream then.

The other possibility is it could have been a hypnagogic hallucination, the type of auditory and visual mini-dreams you get as you're falling asleep, and since you layed down with the intent to AP or OBE the hallucination may have been about that, but the hypnagogic state generally doesnt last long and you often wake up quickly after having one, they last anywhere from 10 seconds to a minute maybe and are not very vivid and clear so to speak, so its doubtful.

So yeah maybe this would be good evidence for the proof of AP and OBE being real and distinct seperate experiences from Lucid dreaming, its worth some experimenting, I feel motivated now to try again.

>>17998147
Yeah but the smoking gun in that theory would be if you make an experiment for yourself to test that out-

>grab random book off your shelf dont even look at the cover or anything
>open it without looking inside and flip around to a random page, not looking at the page
>place said open book somewhere high like to top shelf of your drawer, a place not at eye level but higher
>leave it there and dont move it or look at it
>when you perform an OBE and succeed - go to look at that book and the page you randomly opened
>read it, study it, try and remember it, anything distinct about it, the first sentence or anything
>force yourself out of the OBE and go take that book carefully off the shelf and read the page
>if you memorized the first sentence or the beginning of the third pargraph, or a picture and it matches up with what you see physically holding it...

That would be significant because its often said and experienced that text is blurry and gibberish in dreams and lucid dreams, so remembering the details and exact words of a book you saw from the OBE attempt would be pretty significant.

Alternatively maybe you could gather a bunch of different color markers, color pencils or pens and mix them together in a pile, get a sheet of paper or whatever, pick a utensil from the pile and without looking draw a mark a distinct mark like a circle or triangle something that you can draw with hand-motor skills alone and dont look at it, then put the utensil back in the pile, and immediately mix the pile with your hands until you lost the utensil you were holding among the pile, then without directly looking place that again on top shelf somewhere and leave it and when you OBE see what color it is and see if it matches up in reality.

Theres no way this kind of information can be acquired by the subconscious and correctly guessed each and every time with multiple repeats. And it would be strong evidence for the fact that an OBE is a state seperate from lucid dreams.

>>17989779
http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/xanths-phasing-primer/

>An Easy Guide and a Step By Step Book on Astral Projection

>>17996318
>This universe abides by very strict laws and doesn't allow for shit like that
Those "very strict laws" are merely a collection of human observations. Nobody has a fucking clue of how complete they are, or how many exceptions exist.
For all anyone fucking knows, science only describes the amount of phenomena equal to a single drop of water in the entire ocean.

>>18002891
>>17996318
To expand a little:
>they don't phase into something else without scientific explanation.
While I don't know what, if anything, happens to the dead, science doesn't explain anything at all. All it does is describe.

>>17998147
>AP is just lucid dreaming
Which still leaves the question unanswered of what dreams are.

>>18002901
No it doesn't because he can't go and claim AP is just lucid dreaming without good evidence for it

come on bump

i believe it is a technique that allows someone to consciously direct the brain's function while it is in a state of unconsciousness

basically like a dream but you make the rules. the experience is limited entirely to all recognizeable combinations and permutations of the stimulus that your brain has encountered up to a certain point.

no other theories make any sense to me

>>17986301
More likely that because you believed being baptized would save you, it did. The subconscious is more interesting than any of this

>>17985588
it seem made him a day?

>>18004848
Uh you mean like a lucid dream? That doesnt make sense if its done outside of REM sleep which is where 99% of dreams occur.

>>18000552
Has anyone done anything like the techniques here and got peculiar and interesting results?

These are all just theories and ideas because I haven't succeeded in my few attempts yet.

bumpan

>>17990203
frequency shifting

>>18006607
I heard it described as phase shifting too I think, I honestly don't know as much about it as I would like, read it long time ago, forgot most of it.

>>18006609
my guess would be to point you towards here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography#Normal_activity
and learn basic stuff about the behaviour of waves
and same here, though i've never done any real 'research' outside of the occasional /x/ thread

>>18006618
Those are brainwave frequencies, not necessarily related to phase shifting.

For example, lucid dreaming, dreaming, astral projection, OBE's might all be distinct states and they would happen in the Theta, or Delta stages of brain frequency - while in deep dream/REM sleep perhaps.

>>18006628
we may be thinking of 2 different contexts for "phase" here

>>18006632
I'm just remembering what I read about phase shifting a few years back, in regards to OBE/astral projection.

That instead of leaving your body during these states you are just "phase shifting" shifting the focus level of consciousness to a higher state, so the world around you doesn't change, just your focus level of consciousness

Fuck its confusing to explain and I'm not sure if thats correct or not. But I wasn't referring to brainwave frequencies, this is something more subjective and not observed by science called focus levels of consciousness.

>>17986211
>unreal
>is not real
>has the word real in it

BTFO