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How do I do magick, law of attraction, etc.. when I have aphantasia?
From what I've read, a lot of that stuff relies heavily upon the ability of the mind's eye
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How do you jerk off? Do you have to have porn right in front of you?
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>>17968287
Yeah I need porn right in front of my actual eyes to masturbat to.
On this scale, how is your mind's eye?
>No image at all
>Vague and dim
>Moderately clear
>Reasonably clear
>As vivid as real life
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>>17968283
Do fancy handwaving mudras. litterally hold your hands in front of your face and start moving them in patterns. close your eyes, can you guess where the fuck your hands are? They are in the same fucking place. Now you can "visualize" your damn hands. Thats all there is to it. Nobody has rainbow and shit in their brain. They have black shadows because we are in an age of spiritual darkness. If you do your astral work you can slowly clear away the darkness. Do the fancy handwaving ritual magic like physically drawing the pentagrams and hexagrams and shit in the air in front of you. No need to "imagine it" because you just fucking do it with your hands.
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>>17968291
Probably "reasonably clear," because "as vivid as real life" is quite a high standard.
Possibly of interest to you is that my brother is only capable of thinking in mental images. He can't hear his voice in his head at all. Whenever he talks to himself, he has to do it under his breath, which makes people stare at us. I don't mind, though.
Anyway, back to your question, I would say that you would just need to draw whatever your spell or visualization exercise requires. My boss actually helps people who are bad at drawing do this by using cut-out shapes.
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>>17968283
Describe shit verbally aloud or mentally.
I mean, are you "mind's ear deaf" too?
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Don't reproduce.
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Hey m8, I'm >>17968305
I told my boss about your case this morning. He is, as I hinted in my post, a visualization coach who mostly employs user-friendly methods like cut-out shapes, coloring with crayons, and acting skits to help people improve their visualization skills. It's an ability a lot of people are interested in.
After I described folks like yourself, he said "I think I have already run into some of them." That must have been awkward, guiding someone through guided visualization when they can't see shit mentally!
Then he said "How could we discover this case prior to signing up someone for a private session or a workshop?"
So, OP, help me out here. How did you figure out you had aphantasia? Would you ever sign up for a visualization workshop?! Can you draw? What questions could someone have asked you to determine whether or not you have aphantasia?
My boss gave me the cool assignment of researching aphantasia and writing up my findings for him, so thank you.
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>>17968890
Most people on 4chan shouldn't reproduce, including you.
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>>17968291
Reasonably clear. Working on getting 100% technicolor visualization.
Aphantasia sounds like a bitch to be honest. All my life visualization has been a part of me.
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>>17968305
>He can't hear his voice in his head at all.
truly he is blessed. the voice in my head is annoying and intrusive as fuck.
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>>17971109
You really wouldn't find having to whisper to yourself in public just to think non-visually embarrassing?
Like I said, I don't mind it, but it really freaks some normalfags out.
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How do i train my minds eye properly?
My imagination is quite good but i have trouble with creating people in my mind. Usually faceless blurs. Like a water painting without too many facial details
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>>17971386
I've always pondered the context of this photo...
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It's >>17968305 here again.
To bump this thread and hopefully summon OP, I wanted to post the bit of informal research I've done for my boss so far:
Aphantasia is a neurological condition in which a person is unable to consciously form mental images using the “mind’s eye.” It was initially described in 1880 by Francis Galton, though little research was conducted on the condition until 2015, when Adam Zeman’s team at the University of Exeter Medical school termed it “aphantasia”—the absence of fantasy.
One manifestation of this condition, called “total aphantasia,” causes those affected to be unable to imagine sounds with the “mind’s ear,” imagine tastes with the “mind’s tongue,” imagine smells with the “mind’s nose,” or imagine bodily sensations with the “mind’s skin." However, many people with normal visualization skills also can’t mentally conjure up stimuli from the other senses mentioned.
To gauge the strength of one’s ability to conjure up mental images, psychologists employ the Vividness of Visual Imagery Questionnaire, developed by D.F. Marks in 1973. It has been reproduced below.
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Please rate the vividness of each image by reference to the rating scale shown below:
1. Perfectly clear and as vivid as normal vision
2. Clear and reasonably vivid
3. Moderately clear and vivid
4. Vague and dim
5. No image at all (only "knowing" that you are thinking of the object)
Think of some relative or friend whom you frequently see (but who is not with you at present), and consider carefully the picture that comes before your mind's eye. Then rate the following items:
1. The exact contour of face, head, shoulders, and body.
2. Characteristic poses of head, attitudes of body, etc.
3. The precise carriage, length of step, etc., in walking.
4. The different colors worn in some familiar clothes.
Visualize a rising sun. Consider carefully the picture that comes before your mind's eye. Then rate the following items.
5. The sun is rising above the horizon into a hazy sky.
6. The sky clears and surrounds the sun with blueness.
7. Clouds. A storm blows up, with flashes of lightning.
8. A rainbow appears.
Think of the front of a shop to which you often go. Consider the picture that comes before your mind's eye. Then rate the following items.
9. The overall appearance of the shop from the opposite side of the road.
10. A window display including colors, shapes, and details of individual items for sale.
11. You are near the entrance. The color, shape, and details of the door.
12. You enter the shop and go to the counter. The counter assistant serves you. Money changes hands.
Finally, think of a country scene which involves trees, mountains and a lake. Consider the picture that comes before your mind's eye. Then rate the following items.
13. The contours of the landscape.
14. The color and shape of the trees.
15. The color and shape of the lake.
16. A strong wind blows on the trees and on the lake, causing waves.
People with aphantasia will usually answer “No image at all” to each question.
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>>17971997
The University of Exeter has also produced a shortened version, which the BBC ran in a recent article:
1. Conjure up an image of a friend or relative who you frequently see; how clearly can you see the contours of their face, head, shoulders and body?
No image at all
Vague and dim
Moderately clear
Reasonably clear
As vivid as real life
2. Still imagining that friend or relative, how strongly can you see the characteristic poses of their head and body?
No image at all
Vague and dim
Moderately clear
Reasonably clear
As vivid as real life
3. How well can you envision the way that friend or relative walks, the length of their step, for example?
No image at all
Vague and dim
Moderately clear
Reasonably clear
As vivid as real life
4. Rate how vivid the colours of that person's clothes look in your mind?
No image at all
Vague and dim
Moderately clear
Reasonably clear
As vivid as real life
5. Visualise a rising sun and look carefully at the details of that mental picture; how clearly do you see that sun rising above the horizon in a hazy sky?
No image at all
Vague and dim
Moderately clear
Reasonably clear
As vivid as real life
6. Imagine the sky clearing and surrounding the sun with blueness, how vivid is that image?
No image at all
Vague and dim
Moderately clear
Reasonably clear
As vivid as real life
7. Clouds appear in your sky and a lightning storm erupts - how well can you see it?
No image at all
Vague and dim
Moderately clear
Reasonably clear
As vivid as real life
8. A rainbow appears in your sky, how clearly can you make it out?
No image at all
Vague and dim
Moderately clear
Reasonably clear
As vivid as real life
Again, people with aphantasia will usually answer “No image at all” to each question.
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>>17972000
The question of how to handle participants with aphantasia is an interesting one. You could identify them early on in the process by handing out either the full or abridged Vividness of Visual Imagery Questionnaire at the start of each workshop or private session. We could even include some version of the questionnaire on the website. However, then there is the question of what to do with aphantasiacs—I just made up that word—who still come to sessions, either because they don’t know they have this problem or because they incorrectly believe you can cure them of a brain disorder.
In a private session, you could tailor the exercises to compensate for their inability to conjure mental images. People with aphantasia can still draw, paste provided cut-outs, write by hand, and act. Some can also imagine sounds, tastes, smells, and bodily sensations in a similar way to how most people conjure up mental images. When dealing with those who can imagine sounds internally, using guided “visualization” that relies on sound instead may be an option. For example, they may be able to “hear” the life they want to live. Perhaps the gentle voice of a loved one can be heard within another part of the home, music is playing in the background, a cat is purring nearby, traffic is far off in the distance, etc. We could even develop our own test to check for auditory “visualization” ability.
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>>17972008
At a group workshop, the problem seems more difficult, as it would be hard to provide aphantasiacs with accommodations while dealing with everyone else, too. One option would be to offer people who score very low on the full or abridged Vividness of Visual Imagery Questionnaire test a voucher that they can cash in to receive a private session at a later date, after explaining the problem. You could also just explain the problem, then offer them a refund, perhaps accompanied by a drink and an apology?
A somewhat drastic option would be to change the nature of the program to incorporate a wide range of activities, making it more of a multi-sensory experience that uses guided exercises that employ multiple senses. However, you will still run into people with “total aphantasia” who can’t imagine sights, sounds, tastes, smells, or physical sensations at all. A program that employs skits and games could still allow these people to get some value from the program, but they would still struggle with the other exercises.
Ultimately, human neurodiversity poses challenges to any standardized approach, yet people must be taught somehow.
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>>17972023
i wonder what meditation is like for someone with aphantasia, or if they even need to meditate at all.
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Not OP, but I am aphantasic.
You can teach yourself to visualize things. Before I was totally mind blind, but now I can see flashes of things. Just flashes, but that's more than I could ever do before.
It's all a matter of hard work and forcing it. If you want it bad enough, you can accomplish it.
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>>17968283
Have a kid teach you how to draw shapes and it's your task to combine it.
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>>17971997
I never looked at the sun before so I don't really have a reference
It's like a yellow ball right?
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>>17968283
>relies heavily upon
Not at all. Mind's eye is just a crutch and you're better off feeling those things intuitively than trying to rely on mental representations of them.
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I watch TV and play video games a lot like almost constantly so my minds eye is pretty weak because I don't have to visually imagine shit, so my solution recently has been trying to get more into the habit of reading because it kind of forces you to visualise shit or have no idea what's going on. While I read I try to actively visualise all the set pieces and areas accurately before I move on so I read real slowly.
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>>17968283
Do you dream?
Theres a good chance you could change this with one session of psychadelic use
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>>17968291
moderately clear
i can have vivid dreams but i can't think up a vivid image unless i'm hallucinating
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Anons pls help. When i imagine things i can "see them" but as if theyre there. Like i see black but i have an understanding of all the details and whts where but its not like a picture infront of me.
A lot of people make it seem like they use their mind to paint this vivid picture and i wish i could get to that level
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