/sum/ Summoning Magick General: Dantalion Edition:

I want to have Dantalion as a friend and familiar. How do I go about doing this?

Is /sum/ officially dead?

>>17955978

Yeah, probably. I think the focus on Goetic summoning limited the format from the beginning somewhat.

>>17955656
Evoke and ask.

>>17955982
I tried evoking, didn't feel much of anything.

I may try the meditation route some people are suggesting though it seems kind of...less disciplined?

I already posted this in the previous thread, but I will post it again here.
Hey guys, I'm a complete novice and I have a question regarding my situation. I was told that the "spirits" want to work with me, and was recommended to practice summoning and mirror work. It seems this type of summoning is focused around specific entities, so how would I go about knowing about the spirits that want to work with me? What if they are not the same type of beings that are described here, is the summoning different? What mirror techniques are there? Is there a way just to interact with spirits that are already willing to interact with me?
Thanks for the help.

Anyone here have experience with the grimorium verum? Would be interesting to hear about any practises.

>>17955981
It doesn't just have to be goetic. I'm considering switching over to elementals since I haven't had luck with demons.

For love which goetic deity is better Sitri, Beleth, Sallos or Uvall?

>>17956124
the hormone oxytocin

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>>17955993
It requires a different type of discipline. I'm the anon that's been summoning Crocell from the other thread,, and I'm convinced it's working for me. I've cited examples of how my life has changed in the past few weeks in the previous thread, but will post again of your are interested. Suffice to say it's definitely working. I don't discount the goetic method of summoning or any other for that matter, meditation is simply what's worked for me this far.

>>17956124
Sallos

Sitri is best for just sex tho

>>17956155
About to try meditation. What do I do?

>>17956156
what if the summoner is a female is Sallos still the right choice? I know sorry for the dumb question it's because I've heard that certain demons prefer males and others female.

>>17956177
I believe Sallos is one of the few that deals with making men love women.

I was looking at the sticky, I think there should be a section for offerings, like what offering each demon would prefer best I think it might help those who are interested in summoning.

>>17956257
See: Grimorium Verum.
Almost no Lemegeton material covers offerings.

>>17956272
I am a fan of yours (thank you for the library) I always wanted to ask you this, what deities do you prefer to work with? which do you prefer to work with the least?

>>17956295
>prefer
Shiva
Kali
Most of the Egyptian pantheon.
Levantine entities (Enochian, and other not-quite-Hebrew godforms).
A few Aztec bros.
Ain

>dislike
Most Buddhaforms
Most *purely* Nordic entities, general Celtic praxis notwithstanding.
Yeshuah ben Yosef
""Satan""

I posted this in the last thread, but which demon would be best suited for fertility or getting someone pregnant? Cause I want an IRL Rosemary's baby situation

>>17956353
what do you think of Quetzalcoatl (aztec)? have you worked with this deity?

I tried the meditation with Dantalion and holy fuck, I will definitely be trying that again.

Alright...
Can somebody guide me on summoning Sallos? I need his help bad.

>>17956577
I've summoned Sallos but I'm not sure it has worked and I have no definitive results yet so I don't know if I can give good advice.

>>17956577
Have you read the steps in the pastebin and found sallos' symbol in your favorite version of the lesser key?

Alright guys just summoned Orobas and I have no idea if he was even there. I'm gonna someone him every day until he shows up 100% though.

Probably gonna summon Sitri tonight as well.

>>17956628
did you have incense smoke going or a scrying mirror? you need something to fuck with your perception to make seeing these things easier

>>17956634
>you need something to fuck with your perception to make seeing these things easier
Both and I saw jack shit desu.

I tried using a pendulum to ask questions for like 30 minutes and I may or may not have been talking to myself. I think he was there though, just not visibly.

>>17956642
You can test if the spirit was there by seeing if they fulfill what you're asking for, other than that you seems like you're on the right track

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>>17956626
Yes but I'm a little confused. Which sigilss do I use? What do I draw? Do I use every single speech for the ritual. Help a summoning newfag out.

>>17956702
bro read the sticky...

>>17956702
>Do I use every single speech for the ritual.
Don't use the speech from the lemegeton. It'll just really really piss the Demon off.

Make up your own. Don't be a dick like advised in the lemegeton.

>>17956161
Basically What I did is this, also I've kind of evolved my ritual since I started so this is what I'm doing now and again it's working so far;
1.)Go in a dark room that's quiet and free from any kind of distractions,
2.)at least initially, have a copy of the sigil of whatever entity you want to summon and place it on the ground,
3.)light a candle, any kind really, and place it at the head of the sigil
4.) get into the lotus position, although I've summoned successfully from sitting in a chair, the point is to be totally relaxed.
5.) if you are sitting on the ground it should be candle, sigil, you.
6.) close eyes, deep breaths in nose and out of mouth, i usually inhale for a 3 count and exhale for a 3 count, but as you get into the meditative state that becomes less important and kind of fades into the background is that makes sense
7.) you will have some physical/mental cues that you are getting into the meditative state, for me its a sudden feeling of disorientation that fades
8.) once you are in the deep state of relaxation, on the inhale 'think' (diety), and on the exhale 'think' I summon you do that three or four times

and that's about it. it also helps to kind of visualize the sigil, like focus on small details till you get the whole image in focus. The first time I did it successfully I saw a pretty significant flash of electric light in the periphery of my vision, and felt a presence, at that point I asked for guidance to improve my skills and a stronger connection with my diety, but my life has improved in many ways that were subconsciously bothering me over the past weeks, so I dunno. Good luck anon, and let me know how it goes!

>>17956728
I guess I missed that stuff in the link. Thanks.

>>17956812
I tried it before you posted. I used some binaural beats. I think maybe Dantalion and I had sex? I wasn't anticipating that. Am I going to die?

I've been reading about Enochian magic and it seems both interesting and scary as fuck. What sorts of experiences have you guys had with it?

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>>17956943
haha if you are being serious I wouldn't worry about it. I also had an extreme physical reaction, got rock hard and shot ropes. It's super weird and sounds really stupid but after that one of the things I've done twice now is I do my summoning/meditation and I had this vivid thought pop into my head to use faproulette, and pick a random pornstar/video and I swear it was like the diety was in the porn video I watched, I dunno it sounds really dumb typing it out, but on some level it felt like a way to commune physically with her. Now I envision her as this kind of goddess that has her way with me when she wants haha. feels good

>>17956353

I have a friend named Yeshua. Good guy.

The cognitive dissonance suffered here is due to demonic influence.

Honestly please justify to me how demons are the ones to be summoned. I need to be entertained.

>>17956989

Clarify?

>>17957004
Only due to demonic influence would people believe that demonic summoning is a good idea.

>>17957008
Faggot, go away

>>17957008

Oh, yeah, I can't really disagree. I'm getting close to the day I finally summon my guardian demon. They're hypnotic and manipulative and god do I love it.

Does anyone know how to evoke angels rather than demons? I figured maybe someone on /sum/ might know.

>>17956017
I'm planning a two-week vacation during which I'll be staying with some friends out in the country and quenching a knife in mole's blood. Should be good times.

>>17956257
>>17956272
We'll update the sticky to include a broader slice of Goetia now that I'm (slightly) better-read.

>>17956778
> Don't use the speech from the lemegeton. It'll just really really piss the Demon off.

I'd be less worried about pissing the spirit off and more worried about tripping over all that verbiage.

>>17956943
>>17956975
Spirits love sex, in my experience. There's no harm in indulging them so long as they keep their end of the deal.

>>17957021
We sail in the same boat.

>>17957196
There's the Ars Paulina and Enochian magic, which are both fine choices if more difficult than the Lemegeton.

>>17957225
Don't kill an animal. :(

>>17957008
Well, it could be due to that. It could also be due to someone questioning the systems at hand. Say that they aren't demons at all, but in fact powerful spirits with a bad reputation or just a moral code that we're not capable of understanding because we can't see the entire spectrum.

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Think you have balls? Give this "spirit" a try.

>>17957232
Sorry, friend, they're getting exterminated either way and I'm just going to try and put the blood to good use.

>>17957250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GJE8KtGFnE

DIES IRAE DIES ILLA

>>17957225
Could you help me with this? >>17956427

>>17956427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTmmLaM0iV8

The Temple of Satan has got you covered

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>>17957261
>>17957250
https://misanthropicnexion.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/demonic-training/
https://misanthropicnexion.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/summoning-demons/
https://misanthropicnexion.wordpress.com/2016/02/20/wandering-the-death-ethyrs/

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Is it ok to do sigil torture on real asshole of a disobedient Spirit.

>>17957008
I'd have to say that I agree.
Goetia is only one portion of LKoS, next to two books on evoking angels.
Angels, depending on sphere, can procure things at similar rates to demons.

The listing of demons is really a test of the potential magician...

>>17957196
Trithemius Table of Practice is simple as hell.

Check out Rufus Opus' Modern Angelic Grimoire.

Also, easier results than plain ol Goetia...

>>17957577
The real question is, would it be ok with you?
If a spirit is disrespecting you, then fuck it up.

How the hell are people going to advocate for respecting spirits while being shat on by them?

Its ridiculous. If the spirit is abusing you, make your intention known.

>>17956778
I concur. Be a dick of variety and try out constraints from several different classic grimoires.

Some work better than others.

If you're going to be a softie, then stop bothering with the Goetia and just use the Verum instead.

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>>17957577
Because i'm a very reasonable I offer food, Drink, great smokes, I even help out the real bros by melting silver dollars down And stamping there sigil on them to give them incentive to help in the future.

>>17957602
A fat servant is a lazy servant.

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>>17957606
but this guy knows what i do for the ones that help me it's an irresistible offer and he's like lol nope Fuck you

>>17957602
>>17957611
Also, offerings beforehand?
The method of thanking the spirit should be discussed during the evocation after the spirit promises to meet your demands, it should not be performed before.

Unless you actually are unable to hold a full-fledged conversation with a spirit called to visible appearance.

If you're rewarding the spirit before having it even speak to you, that's bad news.

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>>17957606
>>17957611
I just like to know why i'm trying not to be a cuck but i ain't no bitch ether

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>>17957612
I never offer before hand the one time i did they they dined and dashed but that was very early in my practice

>>17957617
If he's acting that way... then its time to be an asshole with constraints.
I've always experienced more respectful behavior after whipping out the threats and divine names.

Many people worry that the threats sound empty.
But spirits seek out people because we also have the power to affect them.

Folks think the threats don't work because they don't even understand the foundation of LKoS.

The pastebin is nice, but we know it appeals to people who don't feel like pouring over old texts for hours on end to figure out the cosmology of the grimoire in the first place.

We wouldn't have most of these demons' names nor sigils if it werent for the 'asshole studied magicians' who used the methods they wrote down in order to obtain them.

>>17957620
Its annoying as hell, isn't it?

I actually offer magical workings instead of food to them. Apparently humans have a spiritual power that can be used to nourish spirits, especially demons.

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>>17957626
what kind magical workings would they interested in or does it depends on who i'm summoning.

>>17957626
>>17957657
and what method of transferring do you use

>>17957626
What type of magical workings? Also mind elaborating on how our spiritual power nourishes the spirits?

is there a site that has lists of demons and their purpose? drawings will help too. i took some dmt and want to get to the bottom of something...

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So /pol/ has been talking about Hilary Clinton and lots of other global elites like the Rothschilds worshiping Moloch. They're currently mulling over a theory that abortion clinics might be dedicated child sacrifice centers.

Do any of you more experienced summoners have any opinion on this? I don't know what the shit to believe anymore.

>>17957667
>>17957626
>>17957660

Agrippa thoroughly elaborates on this.
Janua Magica Reserata explains everything, in more detail compared to Agrippa, as well.

Low magic workings. Imagine reversing roles, instead of using low magic for lesser concerns, use it as a method for addressing the needs/request of the spirit after the bargain has been struck.

Both angels and demons derive power from particular divine names and planetary currents.
Its all over the books we keep mentioning in the thread..

>>17957747
Oh yeah. Me and a few others are well aware that we have occultists of the Luciferian bent who have a lot of wealth and power.

I mean... what else are you going to do in a neighborhood or society full of people who have nothing but money/time on their hands?

Getting back to evocation..

>>17957747
>>17957806

Also, some people think getting involved with demons is an easy way to the top, but it doesn't work out that way with everyone.

Apparently youve got to have the right family history or whatever. Back on topic though.

>>17957806
>>17957810
Sorry if this isn't on topic. I thought it might be since it seems to involve making pacts with some kind of spiritual/demonic entity.

Anyone have any preferences or recommendations for scrying?

A mirror, a flame, a bowl of water?

>>17957829

Black mirror is the way to go.

i WANT TO SUMMON BAHAMUTH

>>17957829
I hear a black mirror, or anything that has a reflection and has a black background. Like a black pool of water would work, or a black dish filled with water. It's the darkness that you need, it doesn't specifically have to be a mirror. Place two candles next to it, one to the left, one to the right. Should work pretty nicely.

>>17956975
I did a ritual not long ago in which I chanted the divine name of Venus to enter trance (this was not an invocation or evocation, just sigil work). I needed Venus' and Virgo's influence for my ritual.

After I finished I felt horny as fuck, so I went to motherless almost without thinking. I don't remember what I searched (probably femdom). First result: Isis Love. Go figure.

Amazing orgasm btw.

>>17955982

And this is why these threads suck.

You fags like the IDEA of talking about summoning, and posting images of sigils, but in actual practice you have no interest in discussing it in depth.

>>17958050
Nigga, he didn't ask for an in-depth discussion of summoning, he asked how to be friends with a demon.

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can somebody tell me more about Moloch? Maybe some recommendations on books or literature? How can i sacrifice seed/blood/animals to him in order to gain prosperity?

>>17956812
Do you banish the spirit?

Lol nice role playing thread you got here kiddos

Too bad magic doesn't exist

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>>17958180

>>17958108
Are you saying that the question couldn't have been answered in MUCH more detail than the pointless non-response farted out by the guy who replied?

>>17958192
Read the sticky, you stupid faggot, what you think is "in-depth discussion" is pointless regurgitation to anyone who has been in the thread for more than 2 days.
If you want an in-depth discussion, think of an informed, non-imbecilic question next time, instead of expecting everyone to play along with your magical demon friend fantasies.

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Anyone know about Lord Ganesha?

>>17958223
Pretty sure he's a jew tbhfam

>>17958223
He's supposed to break down obstacles in life

I've seen him in my bedroom (cool ryt), he said nothing tho

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>it's the designated "/x/ pretends it has met or controlled demons and role plays as le supar dupar epik magician wizard kings while everyone else laughs at them"

You guys seriously don't believe this garbage do you? Like, lets be real here for s second, all you do is draw some retarded shit, speak gibberish, and then trick yourself into thinking theres a ghost with you

Guy who wanted to summon Sitri here. I ended up summoning Sallos instead. Here's what happened.

>set up alter, get hyped, stare at Sitri's sigil etc
>suddenly Sallos' name gets stuck in my head
>feel like he wants me to summon him
>say fuck it and open up his sigil on my phone
>visualize it, chant his name for a few minutes
>start to feel buzzing in my 3rd eye and crown
>awkwardly give my request
>promise to wear his sigil, spread his name and give him a meal
>no clue if anything worked

If all goes well, I wont be a virgin by weeks end.

>>17958167
I don't. It hasn't been an issue for me. But I haven't tried to summon something I perceive as like a 'trickster' which is about as far as I'm willing to go about describing them, I really don't think any of these 'demons' are evil at all, and anyone who thinks that is hung up on judeo-christian bullshit.

>>17958050

I want to talk about it in depth.

I even kind of want to struggle with it. I'm kind of glad my first few evocations have been possibly complete failures.

>>17958260
I believe it's all psychological, but that doesn't mean it's not worth doing. I think focusing on my intentions and making promises that I feel compelled to keep has done me a lot of good so far.

Ok, niggas; I need to locate someone I don't even know. Is there something I can summon that can help me to do that?

Such noob this op... Tells noobs to start with advanced things... Find the Dragon Rouge if you want to progress, there are many other ways but this is one mostly used today.

>>17958994
What is the dragon rouge?

hey guys, im new to this shit. Can i actually summon a pagan god or godess with this abra kadabra bullshit?

>>17958152
bumping question of moloch

>>17958050
>You fags like the IDEA of talking about summoning, and posting images of sigils, but in actual practice you have no interest in discussing it in depth.
Whaddya wanna talk about, then?

>>17959127
Karlsson's LHP group that absolutely mangles the concept of the Klipot just like Current 218.

I got the first two or three of their grade papers in my library.

>>17959135
See: Geosophia by Jake Stratton Kent, there's a lot one can do with the Goetic superstructure that Lemegeton's derived from.

>>17958152
Moloch's not in the Lemegeton.
If you want some info on Moloch check out Kaplan's Sefer Yetzirah, Ch. 6 iirc, he talks about the sacrifices at Gia ben Hinom (Moloch sacrifices) being made to the pole-serpent Draco, that plus various reconstructive materials in the Levantine or North African vein should get you where you need to be.

>>17956022
Do it and tell us what happens.

>>17959291
I was asking if anyone had worked with the Geosophia in the last thread. What are your thoughts on the material?

>>17959135
I'm still in the very early stages of research on it myself, but I was reading on something that I have bookmarked in the depths of my phone that isopsephy or gematria can be used to design sigils. I can't recall if it was something that you can use to summon entities or just sigils that you use for your own ritual use. Either way, not a bad thing to add to your brain bank.

>>17959291
Is the geosophia in your library? I'm on mobile now and can't check

>>17959753
Yuh, in Grimoires.

>>17959703
I've not worked Geosophia specifically, though I've worked with GMP and have considered how to take the Greek model into other territories.

It's not everyone's cup of tea, and requires some reconstructive elbow grease, but can be useful for the intermediate and even advanced practitioner.

>>17959280
Why does the pastebin recommend that practitioners seek protection by using the Jewish demiurge YHVH?

>>17959921
>Jewish demiurge YHVH?
Because kikes like ape think he's holy or something.

>>17959921
>Jewish demiurge YHVH
Even inside "Gnosticism" this is not a universal point of doctrine. Gnosticism has so many internal sects with different perspectives that it's almost a disservice to use the word 'Gnostic'.

Some took the route of Plato and insisted that the Demiurge is fundamentally benevolently intentioned, or at worst inept.

Generally speaking, in Lemegeton material, you're using YHVH as a godname because of elemental reasons. The circle is quartered for a reason. There's also a filial-generative aspect, but that only seems relevant after Golden Dawn and Crowley.

>>17959942
>Generally speaking, in Lemegeton material, you're using YHVH as a godname because of elemental reasons.

I see it more as a feeding. Given how Judaicly inspired most grimoires are, at least in terms of using Hebrew terms, I'm surprised that it doesn't get much attention.

>>17959974
But it does.
There's an entire chapter on the formula in Magick in Theory and Practice.

In any case, more of this stuff is Arabic and Mandaean in nature than Hebrew, that appears to have been a spin that was put on the material sometime before Elphais Levi. Arabic in terms of alchemical and astrological correlations and Mandaean notions of ritual form and intention.

I mean sure, if you're some kind of Nu-Gnostic, fine, it's feeding into the Kiko-Christfag egregore, just don't expect that theory to carry a whole lot of water with folks who practice this material in a broad context.

>>17959991
Aleister Crowley isn't the most unbiased person to take this kind of information from given his background and accomplishments. I understand it goes beyond Hebrew, but it is now heavily Hebrew influenced and essentially posits both Arabic and Mandaean. I just don't understand why anyone would feed an egregore unwillingly or unknowingly rather than reinforcing their ability to protect themselves.

>>17960002
>rather than reinforcing their ability to protect themselves.
What do you think the adjunctory practices, rooted in GMP, (i.e. Bornless One or similar) are doing?

>given his background and accomplishments
What, pray tell, is wrong with either? The degree from Cambridge?. The world class mountain climbing skills? His dissemination of Lemegeton in a public form for the first time? His revision of all previous Western praxes? His peaceful retirement to Netherwood?

I want to learn more about automatic writing for purposes of creating music. Where do I start?

>>17960021
I don't see why practicing self protection in all parts isn't possible, rather than relying and binding yourself to an egregore one might not agree with.

Crowley had a large role in getting the United States involved in WW1 and WW2. Seeing now the world is more subjugated to Jewish powers as a result, I don't see him as a very good source.

>>17960021
In visions and voices Eshelman mentions in a footnote about that there are blinds built into the enochian system that make him doubt kelly could have been conning dee. Do you know what he's referring to more specifically?

Also, have you read any eshelman and do you think he's credible?

>>17960031
First you leave this thread, find the Chaos Magick thread, and then google "Austin Osman Spare automatic drawing".

>>17960044
you know Ape, you really are an autistic piece of subhuman trash.
>unapproved magic? not in my purist thread!
fuck you.

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>>17960039
>WW1 and WW2
Fucking lyl.
He ran light rhetorical propaganda on the UK's dime.

But if you wanna go total /pol/fag and ignore the fact that Crowley is largely the reason why we're talking about this in the first place, be my guest.

>BTW, what's the difference, functionally, between using GMP's "egregores" and Abrahamic "egregores"?

>>17960043
Nope.
Yes.

I'd need some context on the quote.

Some of the stuff delivered was too complex for Kelley's ignorant mind to handle, unless we start to buy some radical theories about Kelley which evidence does not appear to bear out.

If we ant to catch someone redhanded, it'd be more fitting to assume that Kelley wasn't present at all or was led on in a manner the diaries don't reflect, but I think there's less actual evidence for that than the proposal that Dee was flat-out conned.

>>17960050
It's a summoning thread

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>>17960050
IJS, Lemegeton material's not exactly well known for it's correlation to "automatic" anything, as where a foundational wellspring of Chaos magick is.

>>17960056
But he was on the wrong side right? Or the right side depending on how you see it. There is no functional difference aside from who you're feeding, you don't need GMP either in my opinion, which is why I don't understand the promotion of feeding anything without letting people know what exactly they are doing.

Again, I am skeptical due to the large influence that Hebrew has had on this practice. Not mentioning how the Seal of Solomon has been appropriated by modern day Jews, all grimoires use the Hebrew alphabet for whatever purpose.

>>17960021
>What, pray tell, is wrong with either? The degree from Cambridge?. The world class mountain climbing skills? His dissemination of Lemegeton in a public form for the first time? His revision of all previous Western praxes?
How about being a literal shit eating, goat fucker?

>>17960079
>all grimoires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shams_al-Ma%27arif
>#notallgrimoires

>>17960086
>goat fucker
He didn't fuck the goat, Laylah did.
He ate shit.
On a dare.
And despised it.
But held it down.

Lhamo Thondup says his own monks usually can't do that, and it's a point of ritual doctrine rather than shits (pun maybe intentional) & giggles, so what does this say about Crowley?

>>17960087
Then I'll concede to all Western grimoires. This still doesn't detract from the fact that there is heavy Jewish influence. I don't see the purpose of feeding a largely negative entity or promoting it to newfags.

>>17960056
Thanks
>need some context on the quote
None to speak of, he's responding to the claim that kelly conned dee, with an analysis of their respective natal charts and mentions the point about the blinds off-handed let in a footnote. The blinds struck me as something I ought to know about if I was going to practice enochian in the future and like a potentially stronger argument than the astrological one which I don't find convincing.

>>17960079
>Again, I am skeptical due to the large influence that Hebrew has had on this practice.
As you should be. Don't feed the jew god.

Obviously, calling out to YHVH and gabriel or any other jew fuck is a bad idea considering those egregores probably only want to feed off of your goy soul.

>>17960097
>so what does this say about Crowley?
He probably secretly enjoyed it like a perverted faggot.

>>17960110
I just want to know why it's in the pastebin.

>>17960110
I know i would

>>17960104
>a largely negative entity
I'd repeat that even the Gnostics didn't have this as a monolithic point of doctrine.

If you're not interested in Abrahamic materials what in the fuck are you doing in a thread largely devoted to a text whose mythic source is in the Djinn tamed by Solomon?

>>17960105
I'd take a look at Tyson's "For Beginners" or even the materials DRJ puts together on the Mysteriorium for examples of the depth of complexity of the materials.

There's still shit we don't actually know for sure about the protocols and correlations of the system. The baseline assumptions is that it's Agippan and heptarchic, but after that many bets are off.

>>17960117
Because that's largely what Lemegeton uses in terms of evokational and theurgic control?

>>17960117
Because Ape's repto-kike overlords told him to include it.

>>17960130
>thinking writing "YHVH ADONAI" in a circle like the lemegeton recommends has any inherent power
welcome to /x/

>>17960130
>If you're not interested in Abrahamic materials what in the fuck are you doing in a thread largely devoted to a text whose mythic source is in the Djinn tamed by Solomon

Because the entities are not Semitic in nature despite being tamed by them from what I've gathered and interaction without feeding into Jewish memes is possible, despite what past authorities claim.

>>17960150
>thinking writing "YHVH ADONAI" in a circle like the lemegeton recommends has any inherent power

It does if you believe any of this meme magic bullshit.

>>17960152
Yeah, you're right, Astaroth probably isn't Ishtar/Asherah, and the guys writing the Sloane MSS, among others, were lying when they said the Rabbis had a correlation system with names of entities from the historical Book of Enoch and the Lemegeton rolls.

That said there are probably spirits from Turkey through Greece up to, probably, some fey who got caught in that particular list, given Pseudomonarchia has a few less, and so forth back on down.

>>17960183
What's likely most of the time are anons communicating and making pacts with entities that aren't who you're summoning. Since I'm assuming most are newfags with not enough visualization skills to actually interact with these entities, other beings, usually local, are attracted to your evocation like moths to a fire and try to feed off your energy by interpreting what you're summoning and mimicking to the best of their ability.

The fact that this or referring to the suspect methods of older grimories, or at least referring to more secular modern summoners, isn't talked about in this thread makes me wonder about it's purpose.

>>17960228
I'm sure you'll break the ironclad grip of the conspiracy of the inferior repto-Jooz someday, anon.

Maybe donate to David Duke's campaign.

In any case, JSK has no problem ducking between modes.

As for entity control I'd recommend the Planetary hexagrams, but that's probably to Kikish for you as well.

>>17960247
>David Duke

top lel

Anyway they're perfectly capable of destroying themselves once they have no enemy to collude against, why bother?

I wasn't asking for recommendations, I was just pointing out the lack of diversity so to speak in the pastebin in the OP, really makes u think.

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>>17960269
I dunno, take it up with the OP.

He claimed to want a bare bones intro to the materials.

I recommended Agrippan standardizations and copies of the GRH, planetary hours, and maybe Runyon's 'master mandala'.

These were all deemed too complex for the layman. I disagree.

In either case I already put my full devotion into Thuban so any cryptoEBE away team of invaders hailing thencefrom is A-OK in my book :^)

>>17960228
>What's likely most of the time are anons communicating and making pacts with entities that aren't who you're summoning.
What I do is spend a lot of time visualizing the Demon's sigil and intensely calling out the name in my head. I figure that if I do this intensely enough, the right entity will show up instead of an imposter.

>>17960247
>but that's probably to Kikish for you as well.
Yes gtfo if all you can recommend is jew shit

>>17960293
Is this legit Ape?
http://palomayombepnw.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-goetic-daemon-clauneck-price-of.html

>>17960293
It's far from barebones then, in theory a noob can evoke with just a sigil given you explain to them how to get into a trance state. Adding unnecessary steps which are confusing at best or possibly negative at worst seems counterproductive. Furthermore it should be the goal of any serious practitioner to create their own system based on experimentation. Starting people off with such intro material seems counterproductive as it leads to the McDonaldization of evocation.

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>>17958994
>Find the Dragon Rouge
>>17959127
What is the dragon rouge?
>>17959291
>Karlsson's LHP group

He was talking about the Grand Grimoire, aka Le Dragon Rouge, not the Swedish order, dumbass.

>>17960247

You didn't address anything he actually said in that post at all. Good job scoring those progresso-points though.

The question that determines whether you really give a damn about occultism and summoning spirits: Would you still be trying this if someone approached you offering millions of dollars and a harem of beautiful girls to you?

I know the people who keep these threads going probably would not drop summoning like a hot potato after such an event, but theyre probably well aware that some of the anons flocking to this thread would do it in an instant.

>>17960748
I'm only here to look at personal experiences and watch discussion, trying to work in my own conclusions and learn from others'. Honestly though, the occult is something that lights a fire in me and gets my curiosity going. If I had all that money, I would probably actually travel to places of supposed power and occult history. Think of all the rate materials that you would have access to, the knowledge, the ideas. At that point you can choose to summon for needs beyond the selfish. You can attempt to find ways to help others with discoveries found through a partnership with those entities even.

ayy lmao

is there a clean way( book? guide?) to find out about more or less all the different major types of meditations techniques and how they are practiced?

>>17961971
joyofsatan meditation page

>>17960398
>in theory a noob can evoke with just a sigil given you explain to them how to get into a trance state
Well I don't think getting into a trance is something a noob can do. It's hard af personally

>>17962281
Now, if you want manuals of actual contemplative praxis:
>Mirror of Simple Souls
>Molinos' Spiritual Guide
>Hathayoga
>Raja Yoga
>Shiva Samhita

>>17960434
Pardon, almost nobody here talks about the grimoire and the group pops up way more often.

>>17960398
>it's far from bare bones

>no banishing protocol
>no planetary invokation protocol

>people should create their own system
While utterly ignoring the protocols of those who came before them? Doesn't sound very experimental to me.

>McDonaldization of the Occult
Frankly, I'd accuse the Chaos camp of that with more vigor than the Caliphate these days. Nice Koenig phrase, btw.

>>17962546
>banishing protocol
>planetary invokation protocol

Not necessary for beginners, so long as the more friendly are recommended for them. You have to give them as little variables as possible and make it seem easy, it is.

>While utterly ignoring the protocols of those who came before them?

I see the history of Western evocation as this:

>man discovers rumors/books about King Solomon/others
>investigates in private due to the nature of religion at the time
>finds some sigils and archaic instructions
>gets results
>religious programming brings hysteria, evoker looks ways to protect himself
>finds instructions designed to bind, trap and enslave entities
>designs system based on this for all evoking purposes
>when shared, religious programming makes people accept this system in fear of being possessed or otherwise harmed
>these ideas get passed on to become the more modern evocation protocols
>nobody questions their origins because it's assumed all these steps are necessary

Noobs need to start with as little influence as possible and shown that this is very easy. By having multiple variables, when their first evocation doesn't work, they assume that they picked the wrong kind of wood for their wand, their triangle wasn't perfectly isometric, the planetary hour wasn't exact, they have the wrong candle color, and so on. By telling them, draw this sigil, chant the entity's name while getting into a trance state, and then having a session whether they feel anything or not. A banishing "protocol" is as easy as dismissing the entity verbally, with your thoughts, and then grounding yourself.

>>17962991
meant for
>>17962576

>>17962546
Getting into a trance state is the easiest part of all this. I guarantee you've been in a trance state before without even realizing it. For the purpose of this thread, all you have to do is

>be in comfortable position
>stare at sigil
>begin chanting it's name with the intent of having it appear before you
>starting at the hips, move your body in a wave-like and rhythmic with what you're chanting
>maintain this for as long as you like, the longer you can do it to start, the better
>if no results after about 2-3 minutes, go through your evocation as if you can perceive the entity perfectly
>dismiss it verbally, see the entity disappear in your head, even if you can't see it yourself, then do something to take your mind off the ritual

>>17962991
>I see the history of Western evocation as this:
>man discovers rumors/books about King Solomon/others
And I see it as being a core component of the religious systems through GMP, at which point the Mandaean influence starts to appear along with Kabbalah in Italy during the time of the Neoplatonic Academy of Florence at which point we have a massive synthesis of concepts through Agrippa, from which almost every other piece of the later grimoire tradition is standardized from, bit it Enochian, Lemegeton, Grimorium Verum, or just about any other text one may posit.

>By having multiple variables, when their first evocation doesn't work, they assume that they picked the wrong kind of wood for their wand, their triangle wasn't perfectly isometric, the planetary hour wasn't exact, they have the wrong candle color, and so on
Except that's usually exactly the case.

You can cut out variables like that by restricting the number of operative tools (wonder why folks use the black mirror instead of brazier these days?) rather than by cutting out the actual operational flow the authors of these texts used.

>>17963046
>along with Kabbalah
And that's where it all went wrong. It's a shame the Romans didn't genocide the hebes when they had the chance.

>>17963055
Ok, so if you don't like Lemegeton I'll reiterate that the GMP is available in many iterations with many commentaries.

>>17963046
We're talking about different things it seems. I'm referring to the fact that Europeans during this time had a different perspective on demons than we do today and thought, whether they were actively Christian or not, that they were all harmful and dangerous. This led to evokers needing the systems and protocols in those grimoires to protect themselves mostly from their own fear. They also needed items such as wands, scrying tools, special candles, robes and so on to convince themselves that it was because of these items that they gained the ability to evoke, when in reality they just need to be able to convince themselves that they naturally have this ability. Basically detaching their will and putting it into external items.

Entirely unnecessary. I'm not sure if you've ever tried evoking without going through the motions.

>>17963095
I'm actually in agreement of the opinion that wayward entities can be drawn to these rites like moths to flame.

The standardization's not a ""protection"" in most senses. It's ""control"". Hence planetary designations, so you can run a planetary rite before, during, or after, to enforce that control.

If we're working with Daemons I don't know why later Judaeo-Christist is relevant in any sense, or why we'd want to use Lemegeton when we've got GMP, not to mention damn fine reconstructions of various mystery cults.

I used to go full Chaos with the materials, from about age 17-22.

My results improved when I started simulating the materials I was working more accurately.

By the way, this does not imply color coded candles as per 777 and the Golden Dawn before it. That's more superstructural overlay.

The materials you need for Lemegeton are listed in Lemegeton. Instructions for Heptameron are in Heptameron.

I just don't understand why there's so much opposition to the idea that if you wanna work material X, you should work material X instead of Y.

>>17963138
>The standardization's not a ""protection"" in most senses.

My point is it wasn't always this way. People who did this just 100 years ago had an hysterical fear that if they summoned something, they would be extremely harmed. And unless convinced with something equally hysterical, or as I see it most systems, with external items, they would be harmed due to the amount of fear given off or they wouldn't try.

These are the kinds of people that have had a heavy influence of evocation. Then you have the people who profit heavily from the people who buy into it. Telling them that they have a secret way of evoking, or that they will sell them a rare artifact that is necessary to go forward. The same kind of gurus who plague any spiritual movement.

So instead of starting off by being infected with that mindset and thinking that this is a hard thing to do and that having an arsenal of arcane items is necessary, one should start with a personal understanding. Otherwise people end up with crutches that replace personal willpower they didn't even need in the first place.

>>17963194
>People who did this just 100 years ago had an hysterical fear that if they summoned something, they would be extremely harmed
Depends on the operator.
Crowley didn't.
Mathers did.
Grosche didn't.
Waite did.
Etc.

>infected
Why bother using materials you view as "infected" with anything?

Have you ever stopped, even for a moment, to consider that maybe all these "useless arcane items" are part of the trance, and that having items you've gone to great lengths to obtain may focus the Will rather than disperse it?

>>17955650
illbe evoke someone, in the past years i'llbe trying, but its hard live with that... Hail belial.i summon to lucifago, berith, glasyabolas etc....

>>17963233
But most people did, due to their religious upbringing. Regardless, the Crowleys are still affected by this since the materials that would be referenced were heavily influenced by Christian ideas of demons. If they were aware of the Christian influence, then they purposefully kept them in place in order to make themselves valuable. If they went around explaining how easy this is, there wouldn't be much of use for them.

I'm not referring to what I do, I'm asking why the OP is what it is. There are going to be some practitioners who buy into what is dogma and believe that evocation is impossible without perfecting all of the steps listed in the pastebin or without studying the recommended books for a period of time.

And yes, that is my entire point by referencing crutches. Instead of using an external item to focus your will, you can use yourself.

>>17963267
>But most people did,
[citation missing]
Do you really think Joseph Smith went through extensive Agrippan protocols when using the planetary plates to scry out the Book of Mormon? Or while on Oak Island hunting treasure? Hell, we have navigational records using some of these materials that do include extensive control systems, and cunning craft records that don't. It's a really really mixed bag out there.

My only point is context within context. If you wanna try Lemegeton try Lemegeton. If you wanna try Goetia try Goetia. If you wanna try a Chaos approach try a Chaos approach. If you wanna try an Afro Carib approach try and Afro Carib approach.

Moreover, how does one build a system for themselves, as you recommend, if they cannot identify which components are from which systems, which are modular enough to swap out, and the limits of personal influence without simulating, at least once, the "by the book" method, which the pastebin doesn't even begin to approach, honestly.

Grand Magus here, ask and ye shall receive. Tell me what you want to know!

>>17963296
Discuss with ape of thoth, It will prove that you are a true magus.

>>17963296
Why are the Golden Dawn / Freemasons so arrogant and pompous?
Why are they so toxic to outside beliefs?

>>17963322
That comes with the black brother territory, their gambit is based on holding onto some "eternal" reality, which is really just a structure which they hold onto for ego's dear life. It's what happens when you stop and attach to some form before reaching true mastery and understanding formlessness. Arrogance protects their structure from domination, toxicity to outside thought protects it from contamination.

>>17963343
>which is really just a structure which they hold onto for ego's dear life.
How is this congruent with the concept of the Master of the Temple?

>It's what happens when you stop and attach to some form before reaching true mastery and understanding formlessness
So in this case you're in agreement with Crowley?

>>17963348
The Master of the Temple has given all and has passed through the gate of the ego completely to become one with the flow of love. To truly accomplish this you must let all forms fall away, all conceptions of self. If you allow this release. then you gain the facility of understanding and understand that you are the flow. If you don't give all and instead choose some specific form as your absolute, then you stay stuck in the world of relativity. This is the choice of the black brother. In this case I am in agreement with Crowley.

>>17963367
So your criticism's not in a doctrinal flaw within the GD, but rather that the interior of the Order failed to live up to it?

Btw, I'm neither, I have no skin in that game.

>Agreement with AC
I am too, I just wish the influence of Chaldean Oracles was more spoken about.

>>17963283
I'm not interested in some people who were able to break their programming. It's the people who are trapped by dogma that give these people power. They are trading past beliefs for new ones without questioning the purpose of each practice that the new dogma recommends. The majority of people in Europe until the mid 1900s were raised in a Christian fashion that instills fear into the concept of evoking any entity that isn't the Juedo-Christian God, saints or angels. It is in this kind of environment that the systems in the OP recommends were created.

I don't know what you mean by the circumstances that create an event within other circumstances that create an event. This is what I'm trying to explain that the systems that are popular, and recommended in the OP, are still trapped in superstition, even if the people who created them disregarded Christianity. The pastebin does not elaborate on this and instead implies that it is necessary to do all those steps in order to properly evoke. It doesn't encourage exploration or even imply that the ability to create ones own system is possible. If I wasn't here ITT, it wouldn't even be talked about.

Has anyone tried invoking Aphrodite or Venus? And if so, what was your experience?
I have never done this before and am pretty new to practicing, but I would like to be closer to Aphrodite. Would this sort of thing work for this type of God?

>>17963373
It comes down to the individual. Among those who have associated themselves with GD and it's material over the years there have been those of the lhp and the rhp. Even within the same order these differences can arise. Not specifically familiar enough with GD doctrine to comment on that.

The paths and doctrines of the Black Brother/Master are actually very similar and are shooting at the same goal, seen through a different lens. The lens of the BB sees the self in terms of the whole, but not the whole in terms of the self. That difference has to do with the degrees after mastery. It's possible to flow in both paths at once, but I didn't get that until I got the Ipsissimus unity.

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>>17955656
are you in love, my friend? Summoning a "fall in love" demon wont do you any good.

>>17957287
Are there any other ways that don't involve satan or succubi or incubi? Cause I was thinking Ishtar or Astaroth could work for it

>>17955650
Alright everybody here please be honest. Is this real deal or will I just waste my time? Are you all guys just friendly roleplaying or is it something real?

/pol/ here.

You warned us at one point about summoning Kek, an Ancient Egyptian god of chaos. And then the primaries, and now the Summer of Happenings.

Some over there are convinced that it's real and are very serious about the Kekian religion. I figure it has just about as much legitimacy as any other one does, including a very long story and ardent followers.

My question is more about whether or not Kek is responsible for all of the recent happenings. They are coming fast and furious. Is the genie out of the bottle?

Thank you. I am asking sincerely, since quite frankly I'm scared. Please tell me if I should be asking somewhere else.

>>17963695
Nobody cares.

>>17963695
fuck off faggot.

>>17963602
Why is that?

I was actually summoning his help for music since he teaches the arts, but I was considering to use him for that too.

Aight I want sex, but I'm a loser. What's a good offering for Sitri for long term help in getting laid?

>>17963695
go away /pol/ this place had enough of your bullshit already, you guys coming here and posting /pol/ infested crap. then you go and spam our other threads. No dude go away.

>>17963933
For love related issues, I think it's best you either stick to Sallos or Uvall. But if you do need knoledge in the music and the arts then yes do summon him. Word of warning though, if you're a newbie at summoning, I sugest you start with a duke or a president, because kings are very dangerous if you don't do the summoning right. Read a little more before you jump, I suggest you go look at Ape's library he has a bunch of books on goetia that might help you.

>>17964042
Offer him to wear his seal when you're engaging in sexual intercourse, he would love that. Spirits love to have any human related experience such as eating, having sex, or drinking alcohol.

>>17963684
It actually works if you do what is described in the sticky. You just need to do it.

Has anyone had any luck with the love demons in getting an ex back?

>>17964553
Uvall and Sallos are your best bet. Summon them and post results.

>>17964556
Summoned Sallos about a month ago. Not having any luck, man.

>>17964559
Did you give him a deadline? what was your offering?

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>>17964553
>>17964556
Y'all talkin about my boy Uvall?

>be me
>let's summon a demon
>Uvall bb let's go
>take a warm shower
>get dressed in nice black clothes
>pack my bag and begin my journey
>make my way up the mountain
>headphones in, blasting "Fly Away" by Lenny Kravitz
>make it to a nice clearing
>sit a spell and rest up
>begin setting up my heresy
>create circle in the dirt and mud
>names of the gods outside it
>circle around that
>set up tape triangle
>candles at each corner, sigil and incense inside
>little to no wind
>try lighting a candle
>sudden gust of wind blows out the match
>wtf
>try again when there's no wind
>sudden gust blows out the match
>repeat x20 times for a whole matchbox
>wakemeupinside.mov
>Fuck it, we'll do it live
>sit in the circle and meditate
>can smell the incense without it being lit
>knew nothing but the sounds of nature
>sudden rush of energy
>Jump up and point wand at the circle
>"Uvall, my nigga answer the phone"
>no answer
>"For real man, pick up it's important"
>nothing
>"Fuck it I'll leave a voicemail"
>continue with the ceremony after the 3rd time
>suddenly my arms were heavy
>knees weak, psalms were sweaty
>Uvall's spaghetti
>"Uvall, humbly ask you to help me out, you've got 2 months and you have access to my energy to get shit done."
>"I'll invoke you while I eat fine meats, cheeses, and wines so you can enjoy stuff as payment if you pull through"
>"Will also spread your sigil online and at some physical places so everyone can see your greatness"
>Grab the Hexagram
>"I bind you to this contract by the Hexagram of Solomon and the authority of the Almighty"
>point wand at triangle
>"Now Uvall, peace out, don't fuck up and don't hurt me or my loved ones, I'm counting on you"
>ritual ended
>pack up my shit
>That Lenny Kravitz
>go home
>post about it in /sum/

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I summon the only thing that matters

>>17964569
Man, I wish I had the balls to do this outside. My area is too crowded and known for people who love the outdoors, so I think it's too likely someone would see me.

Did you call Uvall to get someone back, to get a specific person, or just someone period?

>>17964576
BLM means "Black Lives Matter too", not "only black lives matter".

inb4 fuck off back to tumblr

>>17964577
Are you the sallos anon? did you give lord sallos a deadline? what about the offering?

>>17964583
Who is the sallos anon?

No deadline. Just said I'd wear sigil for offering, is that not enough? I don't really get offerings.

>>17964577
Mountaintops son, nature n shit, just climb up and you good. When I was calling Uvall a helicopter flew overhead, so I was probably seen but honestly didn't give a fuck.

Called Uvall to get someone back. I've also had tarot cards pulled and pendulums read by my friends all showing good signs that the summoning worked

>>17964594
umm that's not how it works my brother... No wonder you didn't get anything.
please read the sticky if you want to be serious about this.

>>17964594
>I'd wear sigil for offering, is that not enough?
nope, you have to offer them an experience something worth while for them. It could be wearing their sigil during sex, drinking alcohol while wearing their sigil. things they will be able to experience with you.

>>17964583
Hey hey. I think I'm the sallos anon---different anon than the other guy. I think I'm the first one that summoned Sallos and posted about it.

I did give him a preliminary deadline that has come and gone, but the deadline was just for a sign that things were going better - which I may have received? It's hard to say. I feel like I got a good sign, but also many bad signs.

My situation is a tough one and I don't expect it to be an easy situation to fix. I was considering summoning Sallos again this weekend to renew vows and give him another deadline for another sign, but other than that, I've mostly taken a break from summoning. I've been working on meditation, reading books, practicing tarot (I may even become a tripfag on /div/) and working through Modern Magick. I haven't had much in the way of results with summonings, so I think I want to get some foundation underway first.

My offering to Sallos was to become a better person (which I'm working on - reading, working out, being more social, developing hobbies, etc), which in retrospect probably doesn't offer much to him. I'm approaching this from a psychological perspective so sometimes I don't treat the demons like they're separate entities, but I feel like I should start doing so no matter what I believe.

>>17964582
Really? All I see is references to Black Lives only and not any others or a hidden "too"

Sorry, but their actions and condemnation of peaceful developments in BLM branches shows they mean exactly what they mean.
Only BLM to them.

>>17964644
Yeah I see where it went wrong. I think you might of gotten a sign but I suggest you make a better offer for Lord Sallos if you want this to work. People here have mentioned what offers the spirits might seem as good, so you should browse this thread. I suggest drinking wine while wearing his seal but yes only give him the offering once he has done what you asked of him.

There is always someone at home, and i need to write on the ground? Shit.


Can i do this at some abandoned house or it's dangerous?

>>17964672
You're talking about a gigantic movement filled with many individuals with different mindsets, goals, and emotions.

But "Black Lives Matter too" was definitely the original spirit of the message and, I believe, remains the core.

>>17964677
I'm an alcoholic, so wine is out. I mean, I could probably get away with it as I don't really buy into the bone dry AA mentality, but it's not worth the risk having alcohol in the house. Maybe I'll consider it out at a restaurant.

I'll probably offer a fancy meal at a fancy restaurant and specify that I don't want any bad signs muddying the waters.

>>17964696
Actually yes a meal is a good idea, like I said spirits like human experiences, such as eating, drinking, falling in love anything a human is able to feel or do. So a fancy meal in a restaurant while wearing his seal is a good offer.

newfag when it comes to /sum/, by wearing the seal is it as simple as drawing the seal under your trousers or something or does it have to be seen such as a piece of paper wrapped around your arm?

>>17964779
I think just having it on you counts.

I've been keeping Sallos' seal, drawn on paper, in my pocket for close to 2 months now. It's ratty as hell. I'm not sure what to do with it -

I know websites like joyofsatan say not to burn them, but I feel like that would be the proper send off before making and "charging" a new one.

I'm also considering just getting some jewelry from etsy. A lot of these sigils are attractive anyway.

>>17964779
>>17964799
Please read the sticky, I don't mean to be the one that rains on your parade but if you want something to happen, you should do a proper summoning. I highly doubt the deity will do anything if you just wear their seal.

>>17964836
I've done proper summonings plenty of times by now and I've read the sticky and more.

>>17964799
> not to burn them, but I feel like that would be the proper send off before making and "charging" a new one.

wew lad... Let's just say that will grant you instant access to their black list. Never burn their seals.

>>17964885
There are lots of different views on this and frankly no one's an expert and it's simply up to the individual to determine what works.

Sorry that my patience is running thin, but I'm tired of people acting like experts on a subject matter as esoteric as this. None of us are following the LKoS to the letter, so I don't understand why some people are insisting their way is the right way.

Has anyone here worked with Forneus?

>>17964904
I never said I was an expert. But it is not recommended, but you do what you think it's right.

>>17964917
AMS has.

>>17964946
I see.
I meditated earlier and "saw" some things that suggested I should work with Forneus.

Not really sure what to expect.
Hopefully I'll be able to go through with it before the nd of next month.

Hey, can we possibly get a pastebin simplifying Trithemius' DSIC method?

I think a lot of anons here would probably also enjoy having options between evoking demons and evoking angels to visible appearance.

>>17965039
I looked for the thread but it 404'd. I remember him saying he used salt water in the ritual. Hopefully he'll be around.

>>17965096
Well I already have the evocation in mind.
It's just a matter of getting some more supplies.

>>17964799
You could always cut around the seal and coat the paper in glue, then set it in resin. You could even set dried herbs, stones or resins related to him within it, even making a small hole above the seal itself to make it wearable.

>>17955650

My sister is pregnant and I have reason to believe that she would be an extreme danger to the child's life it is born. The father also has a history of violent action. Child protective services does a shit job in my state. The only moral option would be either to induce a miscarriage (she's anti-abortion) or make sure the child is put up for adoption immediately after birth.
What demon can I call upon for either of these two purposes? I really do not think it is in any child's best interest to be my sister's kid. Is there any demon who might be able to prevent her from having any children at all?

Please help, /sum/. You're either going to save a child's life or prevent it from living a terrible (and likely very short) one.

>>17965150
Child protective services can typically go either way.

>>17963233
>all these "useless arcane items" are part of the trance, and that having items you've gone to great lengths to obtain may focus the Will rather than disperse it?
No doubt they do, but they're largely unnecessary to "focus the will". You don't need them and they only complicate things. Just meditate.

Shit, it's better to give people the minimum than confuse the fuck out of them with over complicated ritual fluff.

Can you guys tell me what does sitri offer?

>>17966629
>Can you guys tell me what does sitri offer?
He makes women want to fuck you.

>>17965133
I like that it's torn up and ratty. I feel like it reflects the work I've put into it, but it's also just starting to disintegrate so I think I should make a fresh one.

Where my summoners at?

>>17968032
I think Sallos might have ignored me, idk. Sallos, if you're seeing this, pls help <3.

>>17968049
greentext what you did pls

>>17968053
I did. >>17958358

I don't think he liked my offer to cook pasta. Maybe I'll summon Sitri.

>>17962281

He said "clean way". Using things from the JoS is as clean as wearing someones underwear without washing them first.

>>17963283
>Do you really think Joseph Smith went through extensive Agrippan protocols...

Since he worked from Barret's practically verbatim plagiarization of Agrippa, I'd say the odds are pretty good.

>>17963367
>become one with the flow of love

Dude, pass out fucking barf-bags before posting this kind of simple-minded, maudlin bullshit. Nursery school metaphysics only impress the gullible.

...of which there is admittedly a plethora on /x/...

>>17963695

Take your sniveling to Jesus. He's real popular on /pol/, ain't he?

>>17964799
You should bury it.

>>17968149
No offense, but are you doing anything on your end to move this along?

>>17968569
Maybe, I live in an apartment complex so I would essentially have to bury it in public. Maybe I can go on a hike this weekend early when there won't be a lot of people around.

>>17968753
Bury it under some soil in a potted plant and grow his plant, the aster flower. Once it flowers, use a few of the flower heads to infuse honey and use it as an offering.

>>17956353
Just curious, what is it you dislike about evoking satan?

>>17957810
What do you mean by the right family history?

When I was younger I got in contact with something I assume is a demon, but I did not do any kind of elaborate ritual I just callad for help out loud (I allways messed with the stuff so I was quite confident something was gonna happen) And it worked I got a small deal.
Is it posible that young people have easyer contact with them or some of us just born with it ,or what??

Sorry if this is a silly question, of it has been asked before, but do I need to be completely alone in the house to summon any of the demons? Or do I just need a quiet room?
I'm interested in summoning Bune, not sure if that information changes anything.

>>17968370
>Barret's
Wait, really? Sauce?

>>17968727
>No offense, but are you doing anything on your end to move this along?
I am not in a position to do much of anything, which is why I summoned Sallos in the first place. I don't think he accepted my offer, and I wouldn't have either if I was in his position.

Sallos seems like a fair guy, so I might summon him again if conditions change.

>>17970326
just a quiet room where you won't be disturbed.

>>17970651
did you give Lord Sallos a deadline? as for the meal dude you are gonna have to do better than that. go to an expensive restaurant or give him something more than "pasta" give him the whole deal. A meal = entree, main course and dessert. with a nice drink on the side. Also you have to do a little on your part, you can't expect demons to work miracles for you. They influence things around you so you can manage the things you want to do, but they do expect you to do some work yourself.

Are there any spirits/demons that are of good nature and can help with language learning?

can someone summon 2 goetic demons at the same time or is that a bad idea?

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>>17971088
You can summon as many faces as you are able to work with.

I have found that approaching them with a reverential theme has bore me greater fruit than attempts at forceful spell working that prioritizes use of restraints and barriers.

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Is there anything on summoning from a Catholic-Christian perspective? Magic rituals to try and communicate with one's guardian angel? Trying to find out *who* our Guardian Angel is?

I'm curious. I hear all this talk about demons, not much about Angels.

>>17970651
What do you mean you're not in a position to do much of anything? Surely you can go out and talk to girls in public or setup an OKCupid profile or SOMETHING. And then you only gave him a few days?

You set this up to fail and you frankly deserve to fail.

>>17968909
I like this idea. I bought some aster seeds off amazon (local nursery didn't have any).

>>17971585
Glad I could offer a useful suggestion.

Made some deal with a big Fly some years ago. Now I have a beautiful witchy wife, A cool job, A great ease with musical instruments, Arts, litterature, skateboards.

Why y'all niggas don't sign up?

what's the deal with succubi? Anyone have any experience w/ them?

>>17972467
I'm trying, bro

>>17972481
Yeah I'd like to hear more about this too, can you get laid by summoning demons? Cause honestly that's the only way I'll ever get laid.

>>17972513
If you're concerned about looks and personality, the worst have gotten laid.
Sitri deals with lusty endeavors, so you could try that.

>>17972467
tell us more about this big fly pls

>>17955650
>>>17968514
Hi Anon. I made an /x/-related book recommendation infograph thread, so If you have any, or any Magick or spiritualism related infographs, please contribute!!

Anyways, does anyone in here have any experience with this book, and the Olympic spirits??

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>>17972985
Meant to attach this.

>>17972467
What did you give in return? How long you working with him?

>>17971435
>You set this up to fail and you frankly deserve to fail.
Like I said, when conditions change, I'll summon again. I'm in a bit of a rut atm.

>>17970832
>as for the meal dude you are gonna have to do better than that.
That's why I wanted to summon Sitri initially. It seems easier to give him an offering in the form of sex.

Sallos summoner...I'm going to give this another shot this weekend. I figure I'll at least get another seal charged while I'm waiting for those aster seeds to come in the mail.

Not sure if this is the right thread, but what happened to the norse gods in christianity? Semitic and Greek gods were demonized, Celtic gods became fairies, but what of norse gods?

How important is it to pay attention to the day/night distinction? Has anyone had any luck summoning day demons during the night?

Casual Lurker here.

Does the birdbro not post in these threads anymore?

>>17974687
They were stolen from Greeks anyway

Just wondering, if I wanted to summon something does it have to be a demon? Could I summon say a dead historical figure, such as Dante Alighieri?

Goethic summoning probably wouldn't work, maybe someone could direct me to a better thread?

Mostly posting to bump. I tried evoking Sallos again without much effect. According to the pendulum, he was willing and eager to help, though the tarot cards indicated I should maybe leave everything alone.

>>17956177
Unless you read that a particular entity prefers a particular gender to work with, go for it. Most entities have masculine and feminine aspects and so do human beings. Only worry about this if it is an explicit part of the demon's modus operandi.

>>17956642
Don't second guess yourself. If "you think" it may have been there, than it did. There will always be room for second guessing and sabotaging yourself, so don't do it if you want to get anywhere.

>>17956975
Are you shitting me? I had the same experience with evoking Virgo. The porn star was Isis Love. I had never heard about her before but it was super funny.

I also get mild erections when doing any magick.

>>17956989
I'm sorry but we are not here to entertain you or your delusions of grandeur.

>>17957716
There is not a unique list. Read thr sticky pastebing for the Goetia demons. Otherwise thr kind of list you are looking for is called grimoire. Good luck mate.

>>17958358
It is very important that you take action anon. Sallos will tilt the balance in your favor, but you need to give him a chance. You don't need to look for chicks to bang (shouldn't) but certainly try to be social and don't give up any opportunity to socialize.

Also you're going to be lusting for results all the way through, so it is going to be hard to manifest, but I hope you succeed. Good luck.

>>17959135
1. Look up the sigil or symbol of the god in question. Place it in front of you.
2. Look up a "divine name" or its name in their original language. If nothing else English name is OK, but not as good.
3. Light a candle while you intently visualize what you want, then stop thinking about it and stare at the symbol while you chant the name out loud. Make it theatrical enough for you to feel kind of awkward (specially if you've never done it).
4. Keep chanting and staring until you lose track of time. Then keep going.
5. From this point on you'll know what to do. No need to banish, it should naturally fade away in time. Do the Lesser Banishing of the Pentagram if you want though.

Keep in mind you should research thoroughly the personality of the god and what to expect. Also don't expect hollywoodesque bullshit. Your spell will manifest through chance and will always be able tobe explained away by logic and causality. It just so will happen that causality and chance will conspire in your favour "as if by magic". Queries and divination will pop up in your mind spontaneously. Auditory hallucinations are rare but possible. Side effectd may include spoopy feelings and unintended boners.

Experiment and enjoy.

>>17975512
Birdbro? I've been on here for years but I'm new to /sum/

>>17960059
Different anon but I understand him. This is one of the few serious legit threads on /x/ and surprisingly free of the shutin neonazi bullshit that plagues /fringe/. If I was lost and wanted legit answers I'd ask here or in the divination general.

>>17960269
>/pol/-tard complaining about muh diversity

Uh oh I think the bad jews got to you.

>>17960748
If they offered that and in return told me I wouldn't be able to do magick ever again... It would result in a major depression but I would have to turn them down. I mean, I can't imagine not having magick as part of my life though.

If you were referring to dropping magick after scoring big time because of lost interest, on the contrary. I would spend the money on a dedicated temple and all the free time on studying amd practising. Perhaps I'd start an academy or something like that.

>>17975263
You don't have to pay attention to anything besides what grimoire tells you.

>>17963095
This reminded me of an episode of Extra Credits where they talked about how in western RPGs, the focus in character advancement is in external equipment, while in eastern RPGs the focus is in internal abilities. Meaning in the west you get better by getting a good sword while in the east you get better by being a better sword.

>>17958201
I wasn't the one who asked the question, faggot.

You're in a demon fantasy thread too cuck.

>>17963283
With all due respect mate you don't seem to understand or you're simply ignoring how the subconscious works.

In some sense Crowley and co. did have all the judeochristian fears and taboos in them while they devised their material.

Whatever the forces you may be calling upon, there are systems out there that call upon them without the need of fancy robes. You do it if you prefer, but don't try to convince others that your particular flavor of mysticism lore has any validity beyond that.

You seem to forget that the map is not the territory.

>>17963322
Because their ego is through the roof. They have never had a lesson in humility in their lives probably because their system encourages heavy externalization of magick through rituals and comparatively very little introspection. It's also a very hierarchical and inflexible tradition.

>>17963695
KEK, Ebola-chan, Bane and whatnot are thought forms. At some point probably egregores even. Yes, I'd say you're probably part of the phenomenon.

However, the more people pay attention to the magick and "praise kek" and ask kek for dubs and all that shit, the less it works. Remember when it all started that everybody was focused on the shitposting instead of metashitposting about meme magick itself. This is how magical systems evolve into religions and lose their effectiveness. Keep the meaning of the meme implicit, let the subconscious deal with it. If you nake it explicit the conscious binds it and prevents it from working.

Now shoo

femanon here, seeking power, sexual prowess and influence. who should i call upon?

>>17964553
Why did you lose your ex? Has that changed? If not, even if you got them back, you'll end up losing them again.

Why not cast for someone similar to them with whom you can have a healthy loving relationship instead?

>>17964569
>>17964595
>>17964605

Why do you people speak like you were black? And why do American blacks feel the need to speak different anyway? Black people here in Europe speak just like everybody else.

>>17977209
Me.

>>17964885
People on this thread seem to watch too much TV imo.

The worst thing that could happen is the spirit not liking it and ignoring you. But thay is something that should be mentioned in the grimoire, otherwise it's just supertition.

You need to realize humans are actually much more powerful than any demon, we are just bound by physical existence. Otherwise it would be the demon (spirit, entity) summoning you, not the other way around.

Spirits are not inherently good or evil, male or female. They represent ideas and emotions. Don't buy too much into the ritual. It's just a framework. Spoopiness and edginess is not a reuquirement!

Fire can be considered a way of release. The fire burning the sigil is actually the spirit consuming vast amounts of energy as you liberate the part of it or the tether to the piece of paper. It's like a farewell feast in the form of pure fucking energy. It's a good sign.

Or, you know, it's all spoopy and sky daddy will send you to the depths of hell.

>>17977233
listen, buddy...

>>17969186
It's just that you weren't burdened by all the bullshitnego feeding dogma of western mysticism.

As some other anon keeps saying. Just meditate. No need for paraphernalia really. Read Liber Null and Liber Kaos.

You basically only need emotion, visualization, and good odds. Everything else is superstitious religious nonsense I'm afraid.

>>17971141
Demons, angels, spirits, gods. It's all the same thing. Some demons are absolute bros amd some angels absolute jerks. Free yourself from the church imposed view that draws a hard line between the two amd just establish relationships with them to know them for real.

Just remember you're higher than them in the hierarchy. You are more powerful and "closer to god". You are in charge, but treat them with the same respect you would treat anyone if you expected collaboration. Now go have fun.

>>17976817
You can. Search for popular culture, fictional character or historical figure summoning. Those kinds of summonings are chaos magick (modern magic basically). It is even possible to summon living people to communicate with their subconscious, but that's way advanced.

>>17977226
Culture and upbringing

>>17976925
You are probably smothering the poor guy. Let him work. Forget about the whole issue or it will never manifest.

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I am looking for money, to look beautiful/attractive, and women (in that order). Which demon should I summon?

>>17977209
You should read the sticky and actually read the list of demons before asking others to do your work for you.

Base on that by the way, you should first try everything mundane in your hands such as going to the gum, eating better, losing weight, trying to improve your personality. Otherwise you are again just asking somebody else to do your job for you. That is not how it works.

>>17977233
Lol

>>17955650
So, what do I need to do? What do I need to say? I'm not reading a sticky, you guys should be better than that. Okay.. I'm
>male
>Libra
>27
>Want to win an upcoming business phone call negotiation, regarding local sales rights.

It's important- it means I can afford my next Sphynx yard statue or not.

>>17977297
Gymnatius Getajobus

>>17977312
Very funny. I have already been lifting for two years and I am pretty strong, but I'd always like to look better.
I also have a job.
I just wanted to try this thing out.

why isn't there just a magic/occult general?

>>17977303
Nobody around? I've got some cards laying around here, I can get this party started if no one person is willing to take my reading.
My Rules are simple.
>Your age
>Where do you sleep
>Are you successful yet?- have you made at least something for yourself at this point

Be as specific as possible, because my questions are specific for a reason.. a very mystical reason. No, really. Just try it out.

I want to have sex with a demon. Which is the best to summon? (I am a straight male)

>>17977303
>Want to win an upcoming business phone call negotiation, regarding local sales rights.
>my cards and little pile of neatly arranged horseshit shows you will choke on your phone when you wer about to win the business negotiation because a big wasp will fly by and it will remind you of the huge cock you put in yoir moith a week earlier when there was also a huge wasp buzzing by and youll want to recreate that feeling of 9inch massive dick pullsating in your throat suddenly
and will swallow the phone choke on it then die pathetically while the other line laughts at you and says "i changed my mind i dont want to do business with a cock muncher" while you desperately gasp for air and struggle to say "call an ambulance"

>>17977322
>have already been lifting for two years
Kys

>>17977286
Kek. I do kind of feel like I am. Last night I felt like I should to "charge" the new sigil to replace the old one, but I feel like I'm being annoying.

I'm going to see if I can find a demon / elemental / angel that resonates with me and start working towards that instead.

>>17977282
So if I summon a historical figure that was possibly never alive, fictional character or even a popular culture figure (which is a persona in most cases) I'm probably talking to an egregore?

Just realized, would it be better to summon Fortuna to help me win the lottery or summon Mammon?

>>17977983
Were young people always this stupid or is it just this Elliot Rodger brand of millenial?

You're not going to be able to win the lottery via summoning demons. You'll win the lottery by buying a ticket and having a one-in-a-billion luck...meaning you most likely won't win the lottery.

Magic is greasing the wheels of the possible, it's not about doing the impossible. At best, summoning a demon might improve your chances of winning the lottery only through instilling enough optimism that you get off your ass to go buy a ticket. But that's it.

>>17960928
>attempt to find ways to help others with discoveries found through a partnership with those entities even.
Isn't that what Imperial Arts did in some of his summonings?

>>17977093
The dude who posts bird gifs/pics


I've seen him about these threads a lot but stopped lurking them recently