What do you guys think of the Satanic Panic of the late 80s-early

>>17876470
I think it was a combination of regular sexual abuse that was somehow misconstrued as being "Satanic", and copycats who falsely claimed to be victims of Satanic abuse for publicity and attention.

>>17876470
It's real. Read the Greenbaum speech (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon03.htm) or the thousand-plus mindbogglingly interconnected and wellresearched pages Fritz Springmeier has written on it in several books combined.

I don't see how it could be entirely due to "mass hysteria". People just randomly went crazy thinking something that wasn't happening was happening then randomly stopped, sure.

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Very Valid

President Reagan and President Bush's White House was teeming with practicing Luciferians and pedophiles.

That spread demonically all over America...

It's all true and worse that you think

>>17876470
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse#Evidence

>>17878760
the thing about the bush administration is interesting, the franklin financial case is a definite indicator of something fishy as hell going on. not sure if it was satanically fuled or not, but there was a definite ring of pedophiles both trading and selling children and cp together.

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>>17878844
it's linked with Bohemian Grove of course.

President Bush's camp is called Hillbilly

The picture on it is Pan of course.

>>17878854
i haven't seen a link yet between the franklin controversy and bohemia, or satanism in general

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>>17878861
Franklin Cover Up

Paul Bonacci states he saw children raped in front of a giant own statue.

DeCamp omits it from the book at the time because he feels it is to unbelievable.

Later Decamp is astonished when he learns about Bohemian Grove and realizes this is where the Owl Statue story originated from.

Also please Google Hunter Thompson Bohemian Grove...

There are so many bizarre aspects to the Franklin Credit Union scandal that I'm inclined to believe that there was more going on than was officially reported.

>>17878975
That guys brother being shot apparently randomly and the plane crash were definitely weird. I don't know if I'm fully sold on the whole tinfoil story of them being set up for murder, but I'm not not unconvinced of it either.

>>17878882
link established

other anon stops posting

Illuminati got him????

all fabricated nonsense.

>>17878882
Doesn't the owl represent Lilith?

>>17879484
no they wanted tootsie pops real bad

>>17876470
Even as a child I found it to be unlikely and stupid and I was annoyed that my parents didn't let me eat all my Halloween candy, which I think was a mass panic relating to the satanic panic.

>>17876470
woah this is spooky, I was literally just reading an article about this.

I'm actually working on an idea for a show/miniseries about a cult in the 80s that's kidnapping and feeding children to some god monster that lives inside in the Earth.

>>17879484
I feel that Lilith can be associated with the Asteroth/Isis worship.

Likely the same entity.

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>>17879461
Go to the other Bohemian Grove thread on here.

See pictures of sacrificed black child and human bones.

Write 100 times I will not be an insufferable dolt.

Return to thread as a better anon.

>>17879537
google "moral panic"
take a shower.
talk to another human in real life.
realize internet rumors are just nonsense.

It's all a crock of shit, it won't stop any of your from believe it though.

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>>17879581
Believing* derp

>>17879537
keks

>>17879561
>>17879581
>>17879593

no, no, internet Matlock is right. the world completely overlooked hundreds of missing and dead children sacrificed to the devil.
and yes, our own internet Matlock solved the mystery! here on our very own 4chan! on the /x/ board, no less!

today you are a true detective, sir!

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I dunno.. I read one study about satanic worship not so long ago and the "sings" were everything from depression to DnD. Basically anything a teen in the 90's did. The worst part is that it was a study someone published as her masters thesis and it passed.

That crazy bitch is psychologist or some shit right now. Fucking hell I hate humanities.

The study. It's in finnish but if you can read it read it. It's good for couple laughs.

https://jyx.jyu.fi/dspace/bitstream/handle/123456789/7941/annjaske.pdf

I can't speak as to all these cases, but I was a patient at of Dr. Elva Poznanski at Rush in the 80s. I actually spent six weeks in a unit with the Burgus kids.

Its all bullshit. Always was.

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>>17879662
D and D was 1980's friendo

Source: Me ex Dungeonmaster

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>>17879672
It is not bull shit

google Fiona Barnett

>>17879725
Bennet Braun was selling bullshit.

Oh please, it's clear these little kids were just making up crazy stories.

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not epidemic levels but there were definitely cases of demons possessing over zealous D and D players in the 1980's

Not hundreds of times but it did happen,,,

>>17879770
Could you perhaps name one time that it happened?

>>17879716
But still that study I posted from late 90's still talks about it.

>>17879794
Fair enough anon

It was still played in the 1990s just not as religiously...

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>>17879783
I will discuss in greater detail later

spending time with beloved wife for a while

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What is going on in this video?

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>>17879783
One example...

>>17880091
I think I heard about this and it was just the mom blaming dnd. Kid was already super depressed and if anything, dnd was teh bright point in his life.

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>>17880105
I'm just putting these out for discussion

Obviously we all have to make up our own minds on what we believe is truth.

Be careful to just quickly think oh it's just a grieving parent looking for something to blame

It's a fine line between demonic oppression and mental issues...

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According to testimony, it was a mere homicidal curiosity that motivated Sellers to “see what it feels like to kill somebody”. In September of 1985, he had acted upon this impulse when he shot and killed Bowers with a .357 magnum.

Sellers would oscillate between different reasons for this brutal act as his defense tactic would shift, and depending on which audience he was addressing. In one version, he would claim that it was an act of revenge — the victim had denied a sale of alcohol to an under-aged friend, and had been particularly rude in his refusal. In another telling, Sellers would explain that the murder was committed as a natural outgrowth of his commitment to Satanism at that time; This twisted religion demanded (and he was powerless to refuse) that he break all ten of the Ten Commandments, including, of course, “Thou shalt not kill.” In yet another version, Sellers was utterly unaware that he had committed murder at all — he was completely amnesiac for the whole sordid affair — and found himself shocked and confused that such savagery could have possibly overtaken his senses.

>>17880080
what the fuck m8

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Six months after the convenience store slaying remained unsolved, Sellers shot and killed his mother and stepfather as they slept. His reasons for this were just as unclear. Claiming amnesia for this crime as well, Sellers would nonetheless also claim to know his motive: his mother disapproved of, and was attempting to keep him separated from, his new girlfriend. Alternately, of course, the rigorous demands of Satanic worship were again to blame. Sellers would expand upon the Satanism claim turning it into nothing short of a classic devil-made-me-do-it defense, alleging to be possessed of a demon when the murders took place. Through occult rituals, Sellers claimed to have had invited a demon, named Ezurate, into his body. These claims, while seemingly mutually exclusive, would also eventually blend into one confused narrative in which Sellers, overcome by Satanic influences, committed murder outside of his conscious awareness, recalling the deeds and mundane motives only after deep introspection and spiritual conversion to Christianity.

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Unconvincingly, Sellers’s legal counsel argued that an “addiction” to the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons (D & D) had “dictated his actions and disconnected him from any consciousness of wrongdoing or responsibility.” [3] Dungeons & Dragons, according to this narrative, had led Sellers to Satanism. Satanism, if not Satan, drove Sellers to murder. Sellers had been lured into the depraved world of the occult, his young mind warped and confused by the twisted practices of some hidden fanatical society. Dungeons & Dragons had proved a gateway into a world of ritualized, anti-human, criminal activities. It was a poor attempt at a more secular version of Sellers’s own demonic possession claim.

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Any interest or am I wasting my time here with you /x/ faggots?

Reflecting on his early incarceration and alleged amnesia, Sellers stated, “I thought I would be [set] free because I didn’t think I was guilty. But when I got the death penalty, I wanted to know why,” he said. “I kept meditating and thinking, going back in time and then forward again bit by bit. When I hit a blank spot, I forced myself to remember. I think now I was two people—Sean and Ezurate.” [2]

>>17880292
Wasting your time because this is all a bunch of bullshit. That crazy kid who killed his parents is just looking for something to blame. Grieving parents are just looking for something to blame. Blaming dnd is like people blaming video games for the atrocities that happen today.

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>>17880080
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGwhZRbqyt-/

Richard Ayode directed this

>>17880080
Meeting of the gravedigger's union.

>>17880100
>another evangelist threatened to buy up all the games and burn them if stores did not stop stocking them
good idea

>>17879561
Fuck off useless breather

>>17879500
Sounds lame.

I didn't mean so much the D&D stuff, just the craze in genereal and the rumors of high level politicians and public figures using children in so-called satanic rituals, whether you believe that they were actually participating in a ritual or if the were just pedos, and the missing children cases that seem to be linked to them (johnny gosch for one) and the preschools that were accused of devil worship and child sacrifice/molestation

>>17881770
i reckon there must be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTitnDgw3Gc

>>17881770
Go down the rabbit hole with Jimmy Savile...

It's the same in Great Britain

>>17881770
Yes it's all true and more...

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Also google British prime minister Edward Heath satanist

>>17876470
Anyone read a book called "The Boy Who Was Raised As A Dog" ? Very interesting chapter on this.

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>>17876470
>What about McMartin preschool and the alleged tunnels? Were they fabricated or was it covered up?

I don't believe there is a more comprehensive article about the entire case and trials, specifically the claims of/investigations into the tunnels, than this:

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1.htm

>The Dark Truth About the "Dark Tunnels of McMartin"
>John Earl

ABSTRACT: Recent revisionist articles and book citations have challenged the view that the McMartin child sex abuse scandal, and other multi-victim/perpetrator/ritual abuse cases, were conceived and prosecuted without "a shred of evidence." The main basis for this claim is the 1990 "discovery" of a "tunnel" and "possible secret room" underneath the McMartin Preschool that once existed in Manhattan Beach, California. How the concept of secret tunnels became an obsession with various parents of McMartin students, the course of the development and parental acting out of this obsession, and the present — but by no means final — outcome of the obsessive parental behavior are the central issues under study in this account of the McMartin witch hunt.

(The endnotes section provides over 200 cited references including trial evidence and transcripts, police interviews, and photographs.)
>pic related
>see http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1_23.htm "Tunnel Therapy"

as for the Satanic Panic in the 80s and 90s, I highly recommend

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_1_2.htm
>Satanic Ritual Abuse: How Real?
>Terry L. Kern

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume3/j3_3_1.htm
>The Satanic Cult Scare and Allegations of Ritual Child Abuse
>Jeffrey S. Victor

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume10/j10_8.htm
>The Social and Cultural Context of Satanic Ritual Abuse Allegations
>Susan P. Robbins

Each article provides a references list. Definitely look through

>>17882208
*Definitely look through the site about the McMartin trials specifically though.

>http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1.htm

You can see just how much information is covered there, follow the links to other sections of the article... Then decide for yourself.

>>17879500
In Divina Comedia Satan is depicted as living at the center of the earth.

>>17880074
So basically no. This thread is bullshit. No links , no examples, but you should go Google obvious nuts for evidence. One thing that the satanic panic did was ruin lives, that's why asserting something without good evidence shouldn't be taken seriously.

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>>17882425
go away

I'm so sick of /x/ and "muh evidence"

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>>17882441
Either come up with actual evidence, or stop ruining lives faggot. I'm so sick of cancer like you, you're what's killing /x.

>>17882208
I have red some articles but fail to see what exactly is going on here. A guy was accused of pedophilia and the chief send out 200 letters without any evidence that that 25 years old guy is a rapist. Why, what is going on here? why is this case so important?

>>17878629
>I don't see how it could be entirely due to "mass hysteria"
Shows what you know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

>>17876470

Sigh....

https://fringechan.org/library/src/1456411474807-1.pdf

here go ahead and read it, you wont enjoy it tho

>>17882441
You are sick of people calling you out on your bullshit? Not surprising. Maybe you should stop spouting bullshit, then

>>17882564
You want muhhhhhh proof go to/sci/

Here we discuss ideas...never prove

Now please tongue my anus

>>17882589
>the concept of proof is /sci/ exclusive

>>17882596
X is for ideas not proving every topic discussed...

>>17876470
I'm not sure do you amerifags know but here in scandinavia there was a huge black metal scene and those guys were nuts.

>>17876470
It was a moral pa->>17882520
Oh, cool nevermind.

>>17882720
yeah, kind of, maybe.
But you referenced something that happened in reality
>>17879770

If you cant provide evidence for this, people will call you out on it.

>>17879537
Is it okay if I copy and paste the phrase a 100 times, it would take too much effort to write it out everytime.

>>17882763
that anon wasnt me

>>17882763
I posted a bunch of articles fagoids

>>17883013
then it wouldnt be punishment...

>>17882441
By casuality, ar you a Christian?

>>17883057
well he wanted evidence that D&D caused demonic possession

cant really blame him on that

>>17883156
What can I do on the medium of 4 chan to prove that?

I can post historical articles about the topic

I can tell you anecdotal stories of what I experienced in the 1980s

Some anons can't take it for what it is...they militantly demand "proof"

>>17883135
Yes I am so I'm sure you immediately discount me

Shrugs

Everyone interested in this topic should check out the programmed to kill series on youtube

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>>17882509
It's a example of how hysteria and moral panic can set off a witch hunt - in modern times. an innocent man was in jail for over five years, and many other lives disrupted and forever changed as well. Children are no longer interviewed for trial or in therapy the way they were about alleged abuse at the preschool. It was the most lengthy and costly trial in United States history.

>pic related
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terror/meaning/

this page shows the ultimate outcome of the trial, and others like it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/fuster/lessons/outcomes.html

>>17879484
I always assumed Moloch

Better example than McMartin is Presidio satanic abuse scandal with Michael Aquino

That one seems to be the real deal

>>17879500
please take the Rosemary's Baby route and not post season 1 American Horror Story route.

be subtle. make me wonder if it's real. do real research so your details are "correct".

>>17883387
Moloch is nodded to in the Cremation of Care absolutely.

>>17883391
Yeah that guys a faggot.

Needs to be more like the Original Wicker Man...atmospheric and yes mysterious

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>>17879537
>>17878854
>>17878882

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemian_grove.html

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemian_grove_spy.html

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2009/05/bohemian-grove200905

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grove_Plays

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation_of_Care

https://archive.org/details/groveplaysofbohe02boherich


"The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time—it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine"
- President Richard Nixon

>>17883410
I miss that genre of horror deeply.

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>>17883410
>>17883391
So what you're really saying is that you want the protagonists to be ignorant and oblivious... just like you?

>>17883468
You mean the kind of film where people kill people and get away with it?
I wish they made more like that

>>17883452
I mean nixon's quote just leads me to believe there was actual homosexual activity and lots of dress up rituals.

>>17883478
Yes. Every movie that attempts to portray a hidden world had (usually a lead) character who is a surrogate for the audience. That character gets exposition thrown onto him or her about the rules of the world. That character asks questions we the audience would ask.

The matrix, Chinatown, Rosemary's Baby and on and on.

If you want to make a cheap thrill movie with this environment in the background like a mad libs, good for you I guess. I just wish the detective/noirish/unreliable character and narrator plots would come back into vogue.

>>17883501
>>17883469
that was actually meant for you, CIA

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>>17883501
If you want to tell a story, perhaps television is a more practical option

Seriously, dude, movies are just one-off music videos

You really expect them to spend 40 minutes out of every 150 minute film to say that this guy doesn't agree with violence but is willing to hurt people if he needs to?

>>17883530
I agree w you about tv...it's obviously The Novel as opposed to movies Magazine Articles.

However that *is* what elevates a thing from movie to film. That time constraint and singular story that both speaks for itself and a larger idea beyond the scope of what is seen in ~150 mins.

Not sure about the guy being anti violent and then killing people thing. is that a specific reference? regardless, that paradox makes for an interesting character nonetheless.

And THAT may be my ultimate point. Where the fuck are the good characters at? it's all physical action and catch phrases. I like a hypocritical and conflicted human

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>>17883481
or important business people playing at art, literature, music and drama. Which Nixon most likely found "faggy". Interesting that you infer from his quote that there was actual sex between men and "rituals", though.

You should read some of the links I provided.

It was just the black metal scene being black metal.

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>>17883679
I've read them and frankly they are mostly half the story or dis info

"Important Artists" can also regress into depraved Satanic pedos at the Grove anon. That's why they go there.

That was written incidentally by Satanist Mark Twain. He dedicated the Grove to the "Gods" of art music ect Pan Bacchus The Muses...

This is what goes on underground at the Grove anon...pic very related

>>17883679
well there definitely were "rituals".

And to be fair I definitely am biased, my I've heard his quote before and (because I am vulnerable to a good, spicy conspiracy) I let my heart tell me he was referencing the dramatic ritual and maaaaybe some gay shit.

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>>17883898
Yeah it's definitely pagan Satanic Babylonian Druidic rituals not just silly gay stuff

The gay sex and cross dressing are part of the Baal worship

>>17883927
I'm sure any order functions much like 4chan in it's lifetime.

>muh sekret club

within the order, there are a majority that on some level respect the magic. Keep it secret keep it safe. over time it becomes a parody of itself; those within function through irony.

My hunch is at one point they may have been sexual and sacrificial, when shit was real and things were new. Now I'm sure they substitute...for example Crowley considered contraception as a form of child sacrifice, a clever lawyering to keep the rituals legit but not be a total monster.

I have this fascination with satanic cults. I'd love to meet and document one, even though I know I'd probably end up murdered if half of the shit they say about them is true.

>>17883988
You need to get tight with Jeb Bush

Back before he passed Jimmy Savile was your man...

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>>17879770
I hear you m9, I was possessed by the God Emperor of mankind after playing too much 40k. I adorned myself in masonic regalia, painted myself gold and attempted to genetically engineer my own primarchs through an alchemical process pioneered by russians that involved injecting semen into an egg. I was also (and continue to be) possessed by a burning desire to purge the xenos from my domain - namely the pakis.

Miniature rpgs and wargaming is a minefield of dangerous occult forces and demonic possession.

JACK CHICK DID NOTHING WRONG

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>>17882735
>>17883717
This. In this period, Scandinavia was dealing with church burnings, cults of theistic Satanism, metal concerts with animal sacrifices and Varg Vikernes' murder of Euronymous.
Meanwhile, Dungeons & Dragons was a relatively new game, and others started associating it with teenagers taking too much interest in the "occult". Furthermore, genres like thrash metal and death metal were evolving in North America and the UK, meaning that bands like Slayer, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Cradle of Filth, Napalm Death, Dying Fetus, Venom, and so forth were at their high points.
Panicky religious parents and such were already associating all these with violence, degeneracy and devil-worshipping, and the fact that Sean Sellers partially attributed his killing of his family with his taste in music and games only added to the mass hysteria. I guess this is why metal music has such a bad reputation to this day.
For the rest of the points that other posters have made here, however, I'm not sure of the legitimacy of some of them. Was there something bigger and spookier contributing to the Satanic Panic beyond what I've listed? I'm tired.

>>17887453
Look at the case of Marc Dutroux as well as the Greenbaum speech mentioned in this thread earlier. This shit is fucking real.

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Join a fraternity

>>17883328
If yo want to tell ghost stories around a fire, go to summer camp.