Ok im going to trigger a lot of you by saying this BUT I liked

In the remake Myers is portrayed as a loner, probably suffering from schizophrenia and ptsd. He seems to kill only when pushed to a certain point, also we learn that he has compassion when he look at a little kid, and the kid asks "are you a giant?" while the mother grabs him a bit weirded out. Michael just stands there, whos to say he isnt smiling under that mask?

Who knows he might be alright if he wasnt pushed every 5 minutes by some asshole.

Rob Zombie gave Michael Myers life, you can continue hating it but I will remind you that all of your loved Carpenter classics were received as SHIT back in the day, so I believe the remakes will become a cult classic.

Out of all the horror icons, Zombie made the most respectful remake and actually kept the legacy alive if only for 2 movies.

Oh and one other thing, Freddy vs Jason is better than both remakes combined.

I still have mixed feelings about going so deep into Michael's character. Michael's childhood scenes were actually pretty well done and it makes the audience more invested in Michael and Myers family as a whole.
On the other hand, Michael's ambiguity and mystery in the originals was also intriguing. Less is more, so to speak. What the originals lacked in detail and polish they made up for in campyness and charm.

I obviously prefer the originals but as far as horror movie remakes go, Zombie's movies weren't terrible. They were mostly good enough to pass... They went way overboard with some plot points though, like Michael's visions of his mother with the white horses and shit, and Dr. Loomis' personal life and writing career... It lost focus too often.

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>>17874447
i see where you're coming from but here's the real issue for me is that he shouldn't have done what you're saying he did and called it "halloween."

michael myers was a specific character that people liked for a specific reason, one of those being a major lack of backstory.

this remake could have been an updated version (better special effects but story unchanged) that brought the halloween story back.

instead, he was selfish. he took an already established character and inflicted himself upon it. 70s michael did not have a redneck family. he had a decent, middle class family and that added to the horror of how he became so sick.

this was explaining away the "monster" inside of michael and making a weak social commentary on the point that "if you're shitty and fucked up you're going to raise shitty and fucked up kids" which everyone already knows.

now, if he had been able to bring the middle class family that michael really had into his remake, i would've said go for it. instead, he just made a shitty version of the family in house of a thousand corpses, except their kid was now michael myers. even cast his fucking wife AGAIN. it's ridiculous.

he totally changed the premise here and took it to ridiculous places. he made the family trash but the entire movie is full of trashy people. everyone is exaggerated because rob zombie doesn't know how to create non cartoon characters. i get that it's his style but it also really takes you out of the horror because who gives a shit if some caricature of a human being gets murdered.

he also relies heavily on shock value. maybe the original did that to a certain extent (most horror movies do) but it was much less exaggerated. zombie just doesn't know how to keep people's attention without trying to disgust them. disgust is not scary, it's shocking at best. we don't go to shock movies or disgusting movies, we go to horror movies for a reason. he's just not good at subtlety.

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>he shouldn't have done what you're saying he did and called it "halloween."
now back to my original point.

no one would have trashed this movie if he didn't try to piggyback his own vision on the name and success of a perfectly decent horror movie.

he could have made the movie he wanted. instead, he called it a "remake" in order to get people to see it. to make money. and that seems like a cheap ploy, when the remake could have honored the original. instead, it tried to outdo it in all the worst ways and eliminated everything that was special about it.

these movies have no class. they're just unpleasant to watch when you're constantly comparing them to the original.

they might have their place, but not when they're supposed to be attached to the original.

he should have just gotten his own horror movie made, unattached to halloween or the michael myers character instead of forcing this down our throats, which is really what all his movies feel like. i'm not a fan.

First of all this isn't the place for this.

Second of all, all the Halloween films are fucking awful un-scary poorly made awfully directed shit and you should stop off at the store to get some taste on your way over to /tv/, you fucking plebeian.