ITT: Conspiracy theories you believe are true, and the main

>NASA mods deleting flat earth threads

I guess only vampire roleplay and "approved" conspiracies are allowed on /x/.

>>17826590

How long is this census going to last? It's been a week already, at least.

>>17826605

The problem with flat Earth shit is they tell us to use our senses to know what it true, but when we tell them we've observed evidence of a round Earth, they call us shills.Thus, they deserve to be deleted.

>>17826618
I take it you weren't in the most recent thread. Wonderful strawman though.

>>17826625

I was. Only read half way through though. Made the mistake of refreshing for replies to earlier comments.

Also, what did I Strawman?

Any worldwide conspiracies are just not true, they wouldn't be able to stay secret.

>>17826634
Your entire post is a strawman.
>The problem with flat Earth shit is they tell us to use our senses to know what it true, but when we tell them we've observed evidence of a round Earth, they call us shills.Thus, they deserve to be deleted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

>>17826605
Well if you believe it's true, list it and your big reason

>>17826646

I know what a strawman argument is. What I did was not that. I explained why shitty flat Earth threads get deleted. You technically strawman'd by pulling my statement into this argument about strawmen.

>>17826659
>n-no you strawmanned me!
You're a fucking idiot.

>>17826659
Ok enough, you're going in circles.

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>>17826662

I LOVE IT.

How quickly an argument devolves into name calling.

>>17826664

I'm on 4chan. What else would I have to do? Also, I really hate these census threads.

>>17826674
Then don't come into them.

>>17826669
You posted a strawman, it wasn't an argument.

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>>17826682

No. I have to derail them. I got this one right out of the box.

Stop feeding the troll.

>>17826683

Argument: an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.

You called me a "fucking idiot". That sounds heated to me.

>>17826691
You are a fucking idiot though. You neither understand what "straw man" means or what "argument" means.

There is a global conspiracy to remove net neutrality and freedom. Big governments and big corporations are working together to stifle the uninhibited spread of information.

Search:
>JTRIG
>TPP
>SOPA & PIPA
>ACTA

Every so often they introduce a secretive law that would infringe our liberty. They spy on us. They're doing everything they can to control the internet.

excellent thread you guys going on here... >_>

>>17826698
I wasn't aware this was a big secret.

>>17826695

Not too hard to understand what a divergence of opposing views means. Clearly I have a grasp as to when something is getting heated. If you still believe that my reply to >>17826605
was a straw-man, then you need to brush up on your logical fallacies.

>>17826695
Stop feeding the troll.

>>17826701
It's not a secret among 4chan people. But ask any normie what JTRIG is and you just get that blank fluoride stare.

>>17826707
Ok but clashes over net neutrality are pretty mainstream.

I believe the Holocaust never happened, the Jews running the media.

It just all makes sense to me.
Something's up and I know it.

>>17826698

Companies are tired of being ripped off so they are having a knee-jerk reaction of pushing (buying) congress to hammer down on piracy, even if it means circumventing privacy.

I'm not terribly surprised.

>>17826713
>My reasoning is "it just sounds good in my head"

>>17826704
You're a fucking idiot.

NASA alteration of Moon photographys and the hole Apollo mission in the Moon, hardly to believe with primitive technology humans maded it to the moon and survived.
Even more, when recent videos show the moon its brown in the surface, not grey like they make everyboddy believe.
There was at least, some level of photo manipulation

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>>17826713
Ok son.

>>17826713

Have you watched this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97L_SJrPl6g

You may enjoy it.

>>17826720
The ballpoint pen girl. Nice comeback.

>>17826719
oh come on, the "moon landing hoax"? is this 1975?
that whole theory was stupid from the start and has no real logic

>>17826726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4
lol?

>>17826605
So gimme a reason you believe in that particular theory. It's the thread for it.

>>17826725
What?

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>>17826726
People just want to be cynical and feel special, so they deny the achievement mindlessly.

>>17826709
Maybe it's not a secret, but it is a conspiracy. A real ongoing conspiracy.

>>17826648
>>17826734
I don't necessarily believe it. I enjoy reading posts and watching videos that disprove NASA's claims instead.

>>17826738
You're basing your belief in the holohoax in the fact that a diary was found which was written with a ballpoint pen.

>>17826720
so what happened to her?

>>17826726
Maybe, but the oficial explaination and stories are kind of... odd and with some holes, specially when you check the level of technology the capsule had.
Also adding that Soviets had tried to do the same, and a lot of their cosmonauts and animals send to space perish so easyly for the dangers of the space.

>>17826747
I don't think people base their "beliefs" in it based on that diary, son.

>>17826751
She grew up to be hot.

>>17826720
It's a lucky thing she was a cute slim girl and not like some ugly or fat chick.

>>17826757
You posted >>17826720 as if invoking anne frank were some kind of gotcha though. Also stop ending your posts with "son" it's just embarrassing.

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>>17826605
The "flat-earthers" here are just trolls. No one really believes the Earth is flat unless they're insane or retarded. They were troll treads that deserve to be deleted, and you're obviously trolling.

This being the paranormal board doesn't give you permission to roleplay as a dumb nigger faggot. And saying someone's a shill when they call you out on you're bullshit is getting real tiresome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

>>17826774
Not really, it was just expressing dismissive disbelief.

>>17826782
>The "flat-earthers" here are just trolls. No one really believes the Earth is flat unless they're insane or retarded. They were troll treads that deserve to be deleted, and you're obviously trolling.
Complete assumption, and an obnoxious one at that. Assuming they must be trolls and therefore the thread must be deleted because of that assumption is dumb as fuck.

>>17826774
Not him, but why is it "embarassing"? Are you actually that sensitive?

>>17826766
yeah, clearly she was truly a lucky girl to die in a camp in her teens

>>17826789
>tell someone they look like a faggot for their behavior
>HURR you're just sensitive
Dumb faggot.

>>17826782
>This being the paranormal board doesn't give you permission to roleplay as a dumb nigger faggot.
irony

>>17826719
What manipulation is this? Can you prove it?

>>17826713
I have never seen a single Holocaust denier who wasn't also anti-Semitic. That's why I can't take it seriously, it calls their whole motivation into question.

>>17826797

You can prove it yourself actually. Pic a NASA photo, any photo, then raise the light levels... Or you can just watch this guy for an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVL056xxAss

>>17826698
This is true. See citizen 4. But dont watch the new edward snowden movie that is coming out. fuck that shit

>>17826801
You're an idiot then.
>i can't believe that 2+2=4 if someone who hates jews tells it to me
Motivation is irrelevant too.
>he just wants me to believe 2+2=4 because he hates 5!

>>17826664
They seem kinda flat to me desu.

>>17826801
A persons beliefs don't dictate the factual accuracy of the information they put forth.

>>17826796
I'll take that as a "yes poor me"

>>17826714
the big deal with net neutrality isn't really piracy per se, but with content provder wars.

Services like Hulu, Netflicks, Youtube, etc are competitors with old media cable providers, and are VERY good at competition (i.e. they offer on-demand programmnig for significantly less than traditional cable), such that they're seeing high adoption.

Well, the old dinosaurs don't want to lose their revenue, and since they're 9 times out of 10 ISPs in addition to being cable providers, they want to do shit like slow down traffic for streaming services so that people will buy their shitty 9000-channels-and-nothing-on packages again like it's the 90s.

Currently, net neutrality is law, so they can't legally do this, but they lobby for it constantly.

It's not really a conspiracy, though. It's literally just how things are in internet politics land...it's like saying democrats want to ban guns is a conspiracy -- well, no, it's just the status quo.

>>17826707

>>blank fluoride stare

Gave me a chuckle. Thanks.

Also, recently where I live, they stopped putting fluoride in the water. Now whenever I go to the dentist, he tries to force fluoride treatment on me. Fuckin' weird.

>>17826812
I think the issue is he started with "I hate Jews so I want the Holocaust to be fake". It's a terrible starting point for a rational argument.

>>17826818
Actually it can massively dictate what they consider accurate and compromise their objectivity.

>>17826720
So what's the fictional story of her vs the real story?

>>17826830
see >>17826812
>compromise their objectivity
Irrelevant, information is either factually accurate or not. A persons beliefs don't dictate information suddenly becoming fact based or not.

>>17826844
And who is to determine the objective, fact based nature of this information?

>>17826590
None.
Obviously.

>>17826823

Fuck, that sucks. My ISP/TV provider probably wouldn't throttle though. They've never even put bandwidth caps. They offer internet speeds from dial-up to 1Gbit a second. It's an actual fiber optic network, so they probably don't lose from not capping/throttling, though they would if they started.

>>17826846
I get the feeling you don't understand what "fact based" means. The "who" is irrelevant.

>>17826844
Every single conspiracy theorist claims to operate on facts. That doesn't mean they do.

>>17826824
>Now whenever I go to the dentist, he tries to force fluoride treatment on me

They do this for sales, not mind control...

and have you ever had a fluoride treatment before?

They use relatively concentrated fluoride and try to keep it in the little Styrofoam mouthpiece. They're actually really big on making damn sure you don't swallow it, because at the concentration they use, it'll cause pretty bad stomach discomfort.

>>17826863
Your personal experiences and anecdotes are irrelevant. Thanks for sharing though.

>>17826837
who says there's a fictional one?

>>17826874
The irony.

I think this guy: >>17826846, is trying to say "facts/history is written by the victor." Nobody is left to contest them. But, that's all we have. If 900 people believe A is true, and 100 people believe B is true, guess what? A is true.

>>17826883
Not really. Nice claim that literally every single person who posts about conspiracies claims to be fact based though. >>17826863

I'm sure you can substantiate that claim. Please do so.

>>17826818
ok, what is the information being put forth?

>>17826868

I have done it. lol. I just think it's a small scale conspiracy. Dentists lobby for fluoride to be removed from the water supply, then start pushing fluoride treatments at an extra $50 a visit.

>>17826876
Deniers I guess. But they're dumb.

>>17826747

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Ball-point pens were invented in the 1880's bruh. There is no reason Anne Rice couldn't have had one, and the whole "hurr durr ball points werent around yet" argument is absolutely fucking retarded.

>>17826662
Ad Hominem!

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>>17826788
I've been on the chans since 2010. I know a troll when I see one. And I'm replying to one right now.

>>17826725
>implying the diary is the only evidence

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>>17826893
That you should just information on its factual accuracy and not discard it because "a nazi said it"

>>17826903

Well, if it isn't Mr. Logical Fallacy again. You sure do love them, don't you? You just sit around waiting for someone to fuck up, so you can jump on them with Wikipedia link.

Just because he's an idiot and doesn't know when ballpoint pens were made, doesn't mean he committing logical fallacy. You need to stop it with this shit.

>>17826740
this

>>17826923
>just information
judge information

>>17826927
this
>>17826903
>look mommy i learned a new word s-s-strawman haha!

>>17826909
>Ad Hominem!
WRONG.

Sorry, but in order for it to be an ad hominem fallacy he has to make an argument. He didn't make any argument at all though. He just insulted Anon by calling him a name.

Honestly that's worse than an ad hominem, but not an actual ad hominem fallacy.

>>17826923
Well his information was "It like, sounds correct in my head if I assume there's a conspiracy and stuff".

>>17826585,1 <//archive.4plebs.org>

>>17826719
Do you have any real evidence the 1969 landing wasn't legit?

>>17826937
>Well his information
he posted his belief >>17826713 he never claimed it was accurate information

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>>17826945
all their own standby "evidence" has long been debunked

>>17826945
see >>17826733

>>17826967
Do you have any you can actually communicate yourself instead of defaulting to youtube conspiracy theory videos?

>>17826974
Kill yourself you fucking retard.

>>17826963
Truth

>>17826974

What's worse is most of the videos referenced in that video are nigh impossible to find, and the clips they put in the video were dubbed over by the annoying British cunt telling you what was in them, instead of actually letting you watch them.

>>17826903
>>17826927
>>17826932

I actually meant to link to ball-point pen. I'm not even the fallacies guy, he's retarded. I must have had it on my clipboard from his shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballpoint_pen

>>17826977
I'll take that as a no.

>>17826977

You don't deserve those dubs.

>>17826747
What's wrong with her writing with a pen?

>>17826983

I believe you. You check your clipboard from now on, young man.

Conspiracy theorists are inherently irrational.

Does anyone want to see my junk?

>>17827011
true

>>17826720
Wasn't the only dubious thing about her that parts of her diary (which concerned sex/puberty related entries) was excluded initially out of some purity thought?

>>17827031
something like that

>>17827011
so, you believe the world is perfect and nobody is plotting for their own benefit without concern for the cost other have to pay?

HAHAHAHAHA

talk about irrational.

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>>17827102
Can we call it the perfect world conspiracy?

Where the world is all nice and perfect, and bored NEET edgelord make shit up to justify themselves and their own incompetence.

Also thread succesfully derailed.

Nice job flat earthners.

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>>17827125
IT WAS A YES OR NO QUESTION. NO NEED PUKE ALL THOSE WORDS.

>I made pic related for you as a prize for your exceptional idiocy.

>>17827014
Yes. I believe I would.

>>17826605
>"approved" conspiracies
I definitely believe in a conspiracy to slowly erode public perception through conspiracy suppression.

That JFK was shit by a secret service agent from the follow car. He panicked as the gunfire erupted and accidentally discharged his weapon. Striking the president in the back of the head.

>>17827228
Shit lol. Shot

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Humans just lead short, boring, insignificant lives, so they make up stories to feel like they're a part of something bigger. They want to blame all the world's problems on some single enemy they can fight, instead of a complex network of interrelated forces beyond anyone's control.

>>17827249
Well said, ma'am. Every time.

>>17827249
True most of the time but every now and then the boogie man proves to be real

Not hollow earth but I believe there could be tribes of people living in caves that have been cut off from the world.

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>>17826590
>>17826607
there was a similar thread not to long ago.it was a pretty good thread actually.

OLD THREAD:
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17777528/#17788714

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>>17827249

>>17827289
*just a friendly reminder

They told me I could be anything I wanted. So I became a shill.

>>17826625
There was literally nothing straw man about that lol.

>>17827319
>Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then denying that person's arguments—thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[
>Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

He literally created an imaginary opponent and an imaginary argument to attack. Just because you don't understand what a strawman is doesn't mean it wasn't one.

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>>17827313
yes, the shill conspiracy of /x/!

I KNOW there are people paid to tell us we're wrong when we insist the earth is FLAT.

You can't post anything on flat Earth without someone telling you that you're wrong!!!

Definitely paid disinfo agents. The truth is far too dangerous. It would upset the entire world and all of history, I mean, people have been wrong about the earth being round for thousands of years!!!

People volunteer to be janitors and stuff. That's like, PROOF, that people are PAID to call us retards on here. FACT.

>>17827285
hey, you made a conspiracy theory!

That makes you inherently irrational, just like you said in >>17827011

GG Moron

>>17827102
No, I did not say that. I said conspiracy theorists are inherently irrational. Keep up.

>>17827207
Can you make up your mind?

>>17827404
The shills don't need to directly influence flat Earth discussion. Other topics they do need to directly influence if they want to have effective control. For flat Earth, all they need to do is make the thread. The issue is so naturally polarized in human thought that just bringing it to people's attention will result in so much angst that some fool will look it up and start to believe it. Then, later, they make a thread about it because they genuinely don't know what to believe. The latest thread about it was exactly that: Someone who, from the previous flat Earth threads, hadn't seen a decent scientific anon explain why it's actually wrong. Every time we repel someone for being from a specific belief system through shitposting, we're actually making the problem worse.

This isn't a board that can benefit from incessant shitposting.

>>17826903
>>17826983
you are bad with your sources my man. 1888 - the first patent surfaced, the actual pen wasn't sold commercially until XXth century
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa101697.htm
heres the history of the ballpoint pen
if you keep an open mind, then you will see the inconsistencies with the Diary and the dates of the ballpoint commercial release (keep in mind the wartime in Europe). Im not even a denier, i just have to admit, that there is some mystery surrounding the diary. Especially the later parts. Her style changes dramatically.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p147_Faurisson.html
more on the matter. There is still much to be explained.

>>17826719
If the moon landing was fake, the USSR would have been trumpeting the world full of every scrap of evidence their equipment could gather to call the US on its shit. The fact that they just conceded "yep, you landed on the moon you capitalist fucking shits" is evidence enough for me.

>>17827102
But that's just fact of the matter how the world works. No need to go all conspiracy theorist about it.

>>17827632
Ok, what's your claim?

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>>17826605
I actually made a flat earth discussion thread yesterday. It wasnt even aggressive it was just a simple scientific theoretical discussion and it was removed even though the thread was still alive.

I actually think something like this might be true. The flat earth theory is the most interesting and plausible conspiracy ive ever come across. I feel like it fills in all the gaps that the fake science astronomy made up. >>17826782
Im not a troll and I fully believe it. Im not retarded I consider myself very intelligent.


One of the keys to the flat earth theory is that you have to go back and see that the religions of the past were correct and that science was created to debunk their truths. Science has been the ultimate destroyer of all religions, possible for an agenda. The ancient egyptians, the chritians, the muslims and all of these religions have truer knowledge of the cosmos than science. Science is mostly made up to keep us from wondering what is out there.

>>17828549
>plausible
Seriously? What?

>>17828549
>Science is mostly made up to keep us from wondering what is out there.
Despite the fact that it is science that is about finding out what is out there?

Religion is close minded inherently, science is open minded inherently .

>>17828553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NruZ5vzRhQ4

Heres just one small example. This theory states that the sun is not as far as we were told it is. He uses pretty good evidence to support it. To me this is so plausible.

>>17828565
If the sun was close to the earth there would be no life on the planet, it would be a scorched wasteland.

>>17828549
People are extremely resistant to such a major idea because it would be a total upheaval of their world view.

>>17828559
>Religion is close minded inherently, science is open minded inherently .

Its actually the opposite. The problem with science is that you cant question it. If you ever try to question science everybody argues with you. Ill agree that people will do the same with religion, but religion is meant to be about interpretation. Religion is always open to interpretation while science is always closed shut. Even the word science in latin means to "know" which implies that it cant be questioned.

>>17828585
I don't know what you're talking about. Science is nothing but questioning things. It's how you learn anything.

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>>17828572
>>17828572
In flat earth theory all of astronomy is made up. Therefore the sun is actually not what we think it is. The flat earth theory completely remodels our view of the universe and seeks to debunk all scientific "facts" that we currently accept as truth".

>>17828592
We describe it that way but once something is "proven" we are no longer able to question it. When we try to disprove science than we are ridiculed.

>>17828549
Flat Earth is not plausible, it's nonsensical.
So many aspects of the world don't make sense with it.

>Day/night
>Sunrise/Sunset
>Seasons
>Gravity
>Tides
>Circumnavigation
etc

All these make sense on a round planet, but not a flat one.

Not to mention why would Earth be the only flat world while all other planets and stars are round?

>>17828609
But we already know what the sun is.

>>17826639
They're not secret though. And even if something affects people on a global scale, that doesn't require too many people to be involved. The top tier of society is a small world with massively overlapping interests.

>>17828620
What aren't secret?

>>17826713
6 million jews killed, 3 million of them being poles. Another 5 million non-jewish poles killed. Polaks had it worse than money stealing rat jews.

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>>17828610
Im pretty sure I saw this same post yesterday on my thread. I dont know if this is a shill or not.

I found this video to have some very plausible explanations.

Pic related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NruZ5vzRhQ4

>>17828615
See thats the whole point we dont really know. How can you say that you know? Just because science says so. Well the whole point of this is to question science, we have to have a competing science. Why should you believe something without first proving it to yourself. Its most intelligent to have a competing belief.

>>17828628
>I dont know if this is a shill or not.
you already lost this argument

>>17828632
Whatever, im just here to present the possibility. If you want to resist it than you can.

>>17828626
>look at these stupid greedy jews, they only had a few million slaughtered! you need at least x million for it to be tragic!

>>17828628
No, that sun claim makes no sense. Why would it have some kind of magic circular orbit?

>>17828645
What? If you believe planets orbit than why cant you believe that the sun orbits? How doesnt this make sense?

>>17828650
cos it's not orbiting like planets do

>>17826990
I think people claim that type of pen had not been invented.

Some people believe the last remaining relative (her father) who lived to see the end of the war wrote the dairy himself to sell for profit. It doesn't necessarily mean the Holocaust was a hoax, but the diary was a scam to make money.

I may be wrong. I'm not clear on all the details, so if someone has more information, feel free to add to or correct this.

>>17828615
>we
Oh neat, which space mission were you on?

>>17827273
That sounds interesting. Might be hard with limited food sources, though.

>>17827746
I agree; this is a really good point.

>>17828682
They all work for the same agenda.

>>17826625
Oh shit now I finally see how it's a straw-man. He gave the impression that he was refuting your argument when in fact he was refuting the flat earth argument, an argument that you didn't present. You only presented the argument that NASA mods are deleting flat earth threads. Which is also ridiculous. NASA doesn't moderate 4chan, if you think /x/, a board that is full of skitzos, role players, """""""demon""""""" summoners and half assed conspiracy theorist, is that important to NASA then you're a dumbfuck.

>>17828610
gravity alone debunks a flat earth

>>17828696
gravity is fake too

>>17828693
The "NASA" part was a joke. Take your autism pills.

>>17828700
Gravity is just a theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RAYjWuosHg

In this video the Mr Science Tyson Mcneil guy himself literally admits that the earth is flat.

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>>17828549
>fake science astronomy

>>17828700
How do you know that>

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>>17828549
If that's the most realistic conspiracy theory you've come across I'm sorry for you.

What do you anons think of this? I believe it 100% desu.

The chances of getting sick from cannibalism is pretty slim. The studies etc are just deterrents to stop everyone eating eachother.

Dunno why I believe it's true, but I know it's a part of human history. I don't think I could eat human flesh though.

>>17828622
I made two different points so let me explain.

First, if they were saying that they can't stay secret because people on the outside would figure it out, he's right. People do suspect and talk about it all the time but we can't do anything about it.

If he saying they can't stay secret because people on the inside would spill the secret, he's probably wrong, because anyone involved who would have any useful knowledge/evidence is heavily invested in keeping the secret for their own best interests.

Either way, it's possible for global conspiracies to exist.

>>17828700
No it isn't.
>>17828706
Jump off your roof and test that.

>>17828704
Take your autism pills friend, as soon as someone interpreted that part as a joke and instead argued the flat earth part they were told they were straw manning.

You can't have it both ways nigger.

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Trump and Clinton are both plants. Clinton will do what They want, and Trump is the obvious foil to ensure her election.

It was obvious by the way the media focused on the pair of them since the very beginning of the primaries. It was clear that They wanted it to come to this by how the focus was always on those two.

I'm still trying to determine if Bernie Sanders is the spanner in the works, or the endgame. If the endgame, it's been a long game indeed. If a spanner (which makes sense by how Clinton shifted her focus during the Primaries), I fear for his safety.

And I'm not even one of those weird "Clinton is a criminal, Bernie or Bust!" nutters, either. I'm just really uncomfortable with how the news has covered this shit.

>>17828802
Amen compadre.

This issue and >>17828723 aren't even in the realm of "conspiracy theories," in my mind. It's just the truth which is never fully acknowledged by the media, but made continually more relevant by the way of leaks. I will say this for the old guard of the elite, they aren't very good with their information assurance.

>>17828782
see >>17826716

>>17828802
>>17828814
I'm suspicious but I have a slightly different take on it. I believe Trump was enlisted by the Clintons (who represents the establishment, like you said) to make the republicans look ridiculous, at first. When he started gaining momentum they ran with it to keep Bernie from getting too much attention. People were obsessed with the republican primary and although Bernie slowly gained a lot of support, his biggest problem was not getting enough exposure early on in the campaign while Donald's antics were covered extensively every evening, leaving little time for anything that mattered in their campaign coverage (i.e. policy, which Bernie beats Hilary on for the average liberal voter).

Regardless, I agree that the campaign coverage has been frightening in how obvious the manipulation has become. How do people not see this?

I fucking hate Trump but even I'm disgusted by how ridiculously biased the coverage is. He's not insane and they try to push that narrative constantly. It makes me extremely suspicious of the liberal agenda though I'm a liberal myself. It's upsetting to see that there is no real choice because people are just emotionally manipulated and everything is substance-less proclamations of Hilary's superiority. I do believe she's a terrible person who will maintain the poisonous status quo and they're making her out to be the good guy. People are jumping on board as fast as they can.

I don't trust Bernie totally (how can you trust a politician in this day and age) but I've not come across anything that makes me doubt his sincerity so far. Doesn't really matter though, because he's kind of doomed. Too many rich people want Hil in there for her to lose.

All of this PC stuff was a big part of it, too. They set up the PC/anti-PC animosity for the last few years. And now Hilary is the queen of PC and Trump is the king of anti-PC. Doesn't seem like an accident. Funny thing is, none of that shit has much to do with running a country.

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>>17828867
>enlisted by the Clintons
Nah. They're just puppets. But I'm with you on everything else.

Though I'm not sure if it's just the coverage that is pushing the narrative of Trump's insanity. He's really playing this shit up hard.

Then again, he's had experience in playing shit up for the gullible masses.

But you're right, none of that shit has anything to do with running a country. What scares me is... Clinton will at least be more capable of Trump. And I may even consider myself a bit played as well, because I'd certainly prefer her over him.

(And I'm pretty sure Sanders still has is Senate seat for another two years before re-election, if he doesn't end up president. Which means we still have him fighting in Congress.)

Really fucked up, the way this is going, though.

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>>17828827
>can't refute
>"b-but you're stupid!11!!"

Go fucking off yourself faggot.

>>17829747
Refute what? The fact you're so fucking retarded you don't understand what a strawman is and keep getting it wrong.

You are a literal fucking retard. Just lurk more.

The conspiracy i believe in is that early israeli inhabitants used american jews to sue germany using real estate and hospitality laws. In order to start off an investment account for Israel. And that for a time those laws were honored in us real estate and well applied in apartment rentals. Which is why some worried people still rent out as hostels. making it much easier to sue for real estate. Which was one of the events that lead to the fall of the Wtc. That microchips are being given out and if you are a recipient you see peoples skin emit a yellow light and from there their names change. Because some laws used hindered opportunity and security for any sovereign state. So all countries are being recreated as of today.

>>17826923
The fact that Poland is included within Nazi German borders tells me this pic was made by somebody with a pro-German bias.

>>17829863
>within Nazi German borders
No shit, the claim was made during the war.

That the nordic pop culture phenomenon, the vampire and the law let the right one in, has origins in the post ww2 era. Where you couldve been sued if you let the wrong one in, by invite. Since laws made it legal for people to sue for real estate under the hospitality laws. Just for having invited people in. So modern culture trend is to never show up to someones house uninvited unless you're family and they know you well. The prussian and nordic areas were hit hard. So much it became a pop culture thing...

>>17826683
The strawman argument changed which is quite ironic because in definition it implies just that. And here is the reason.
Historically strawman was said to be a game where the person that pulls the smallest straw gets all blame. In modern day meaning strawman is more like a 'scarecrow-esque' decoy so as to coax something by imposition of a fallacy.

>>17830013
And held as validly true. Due to legal, academic or social acceptance as such.

>>17829833
Explain how that was a fucking straw man.

>inb4 hurr a durr that was a straw man b cuz it over simplified the argument

Every flat earth supporter is just a memer who should be curb stomped. They're just shitposters.

>>17830146
see >>17827391

>>17827746
dude, all the governments in the world are working together.
They keep the illusion of separation working so that the plebs keep fighting among themselves.

Countries and borders only exist to the poor, uninitiated.

The evidence is that all the "government higher ups are rich and live like kings while everybody else is a wage slave.

>WAKE UP!
>GRAB A BRUSH AND PUT A LITTLE MAKE UP
>WHY YOU LET THE POLITICIAN UP ON THE TABLE?
>YOU WANTED TO

>every op sucks dicks
> 9/11 is what Saudi Arabia rated bushs asshole on a tightness scale.
>Hillary Clinton and bill are both secretly gay and the Monica incident was a cover up.
>bill used to sex w/ bush but they broke up so he did 9/11 cause the 11 symbolizes their two dicks erect and demolishing the buildings brought him closure cause ;_; tfw nomo sexii sax man

Sorry English is my 5th language and I'm a girl.

>>17826590

Jack Ruby was paid by the department of defense to kill LHO because they wanted to prevent him from revealing his links to Cuba and the american people clamoring for a war which would've quickly devolved into WW3.

>>17830186
You can't draw lines without a ruler
How's your time line going?

>>17828585
You just blatantly showed us that you have no idea what science is or what it is used for. ALL science is open for debate because nobody "owns" it. The best theorists will try to disprove their own theories before they even share them with others. Real science has nothing to do with being right or wrong.

>>17828706
Big surprise. Another /x/ dipshit who doesn't know the definition of the word "theory" when applied to scientific discovery.

>>17826590

Edward Snowden never actually stopped working for the NSA. His role was imagined to provide a chilling effect («yes, it's true. The gvt spies on you all. Be sure not to rock the boat») on the press and making security agencies whistleblowers fear speaking with journalists at all. It was a response to the attention garnered by Julian Assange and the Wikileaks organisation. It also has the added benefit of making potential whistleblowers more willing to leak to tightly controlled publications with vetted editors in chief (the snowden leaks were first published in the Guardian).

The relatively tame character assassination on Snowden and the very harsh one on Assange really contrast.

>>17826590
Superbowl III was fixed, players from the winning team (Jets) thought decisions by the QB and Coach of the losing team (Colts) were odd and suspicious.

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[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

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[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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>>17830354
>>17830346

>>17830354

>[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Doesn't this sound like A.I.?


>[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

This is exactly a chip based payment system.

>>17830396

That or the new neural research they are doing leading to transhumanism.

The great lie, huh...

>>17830396
>>17830402
a lot of people actually do make that correlation '

a small minority of Christians and other religious people are very weary of technology (like the amish) for whatever reasons

i tend to think technology can also be used for good as well as evil, such as how we are using computers to reveal God's secrets to man and woman and performs miracles and bring boys and girls into the flock of the LORD even to this day over the internet

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[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
[13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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[5] And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
[6] And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
[7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
[8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
[9] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
[10] And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

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[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
[18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

>>17830421

Technology is but a tool, but there is a very dark side to man. I still find it weird that our technology has increased by a factor of over a million since around 250 years ago. Human culture is still about the same as it was 10,000 years ago: it's who you know, and who you blow. We are not as enlightened as we pretend to be as a whole.

I find it very interesting that the free masonry, the red shields,and technology all started to arise around this time, too.

>>17828867
>I'm disgusted by how ridiculously biased the coverage is.
Don't forget that all publicity is good publicity. The media might be portraying him negatively but the media is also about him and almost nothing else which is only going to help him.
>And now Hilary is the queen of PC and Trump is the king of anti-PC.
But in neither case it's framed well. Hillary is framed as a complete phony who's only PC in order to feign caring about anyone but herself. Trump's insane and Hillary's an emotionless robot, and it's the same media claiming both. Both are made into explicit tools by the media.

>>17826801

How many threads are you gonna say this in?

>>17828549
okay, so like, do you think the earth is a flat square or a flat circle? how the fuck does the earth move around the sun if it's flat??

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>>17828706
you're trolling right?

epic kek bro

>>17830460
Do you really believe that the media doesn't have a clearly pro-Hilary bias? I don't think they're anti-Trump as much as pro-Hil and pro-PC. I don't watch much TV now but when I do catch a bit of politics it seems obvious to me.

>>17826590

Social media is mind control and leftist brain washing. Why wouldn't this be allowed if Facebook wasn't developed in one of the most lefty universities around?
Royal family had some involvement in Diana's accident.
Mobile phones somehow make the subliminal lefty messages easier to get through to the brain, possibly emitting some signal.
SJWs don't exist in reality and they are all plants by the media. I believe this one to be semi true considering how fake and phony most of these leftists like AIDsskrellex and Carl the Cuck seem, something about them screams not real and artificial.

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>>17827289
because 4chan is a bastion of rational thought and civilized, non-biased discussion

fuck off retard

>>17827285

Nice Steven Universe quote.

Faggot.

9/11 because there that much shit going on around it just can't be coincidence

human history is fake

we might live in a computer simulation

>>17826590

Kikes are in control of nearly every thing.

>>17826719
>Even more, when recent videos show the moon its brown in the surface, not grey like they make everyboddy believe.
As opposed to the Apollo footage which was filmed in black and white? Kek.

I'm still waiting on a picture of the edge of the earth from the flat earthers

John Lang was murdered by the police. He's got actual videos of them stalking him

>>17826639
It's not. We talk about the shit on /x/, they have watered down forms of it in the media, Dan Brown shit, top-notch literary novels on it by Thomas Pynchon, Umberto Eco, and Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea, and so on and so forth. You can find shittonnes of shit on it on the internet. They are slowly revealing themselves, they are allowing themselves to be revealed, they don't care by this point what we find out, because they know the majority of people are too narrowminded to accept it and the people who do accept it are too powerless to do anything. Add that with the fact that there's a great steaming dose of disinfo in a lot of their portrayals, and they have nothing to worry about. They can sit content, gradually allowing more and more of them to come out in the media till the people won't be surprised when they reveal themselves as what they really are and take over.

Ever hear of H.G. Wells's (yes, the Masonic prophet, the one revered by Freemasons in their journals) "The Open Conspiracy"?

Most conspiracies made up by the government to create confusion and distract us from the real conspiracies.

>>17826662
Kek'd. Your argument was literally a text book straw man. 7/10 if b8. If not...

WEW LAD

I've got a personal theory, and some others might share it, that all of the flat-earth posts are made by one individual, a "samefag" if you will. My evidence for this is that almost all of the posts, in every thread where the subject comes up, share the same tone, structure, and word choices. The "samefag" also constantly posts the same YouTube videos every time. It's almost like the flat earther is actually just someone shilling their shoddy YouTube channel. A "shitposter" if you prefer.

>>17830444
>red shields
the old man rothschild and his family were thieves who found a giant treasure horde like some shit out of a vidya, faked conversion to judaism to become usurious moneylenders, and that was the story on that.

>>17831748
yeah, that's probably true, or at least the more famous ones are, just to increase signal to noise in the conspiracy world.

>>17831793
Not true, im a flat earther and this is bullshit. If you look at youtube comments there are tons of us. We know the truth it is clear to us. You were brainwashed by masonic false sciences.

Most flat earthers are retarded christians trying to prove somehow that there is a heaven and a hell.

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>>17827249

Eh, I just can't abide by that. I don't really believe in any conspiracy theories, but I won't deny that there will always be humans looking to take advantage of the masses, singularly or in a group. Likewise, there will every so often be someone who wants to honestly protect groups of people as a whole. I also believe there is almost no one who wants to protect all humans. Everyone has an enemy "group" that they identify in their attempt to make humanity stronger as a whole, and whether they need to be silenced forcefully or politically is always the main topic for that said group. If human lives were so insignificant, we wouldn't have such an impact on the world both environmentally or politically. It took only a few men on 2001 to drastically change the world, it took one man to spark WWI, and it took one soldier from that war to unite a country under a banner to militarily use his nation's anger to seek retribution. Small groups have hunted species to extinction, while other men completely redefined how peaceful protests and civil disobedience were practiced.

So to sit there and act like humans are some meaningless blip on the radar is extremely naive. That drive to fight "evil" whether it's a product of the times, or something truly wrong, is an instinct humans have had to drive us to be better. To drive us to remove what we deem as unacceptable and perfect ourselves as a whole.

The people who have made those changes and efforts all started off as the same thing. A human, who lead a short, boring, and insignificant life. The reason why we find it so interesting is BECAUSE they made up their own story. Not out of ignorance, but out of determination to not go gentle into that good night.

>>17830847
This is literally the first one I have ever said that in.

>>17831700
>John Lang was murdered by the police. He's got actual videos of them stalking him
I see this every once in a while but I always forget about it.

http://www.copblock.org/152790/fresno-sheriff-deputies-lying-at-house-of-murdered-activist/

This is the most obviously shady video to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLaDxI5np-niOUxEFDIjmbYHO1ZiG12vgY&v=8qV6ZP45H1o

>>17826590
The Jews control the media and the jesuits control the papacy

>>17828650
Because that's not an orbit. There is no natural occurrence of movement that is anywhere near similar to it, most especially in space.

>>17826605
How would you keep that a secret? I know that that argument gets old with the "hurr, the government can't do anything right, how could they keep a conspiracy under wraps?" but how would you even begin to keep a flat Earth secret?

COD warfare games are actual events that have or might happen.

>>17828572
idk man, if that were the case, why does the air get colder the higher you go. Since you're travelling closer to the sun, wouldn't you feel the heat even more? Makes no sense

That Paul McCartney died in 1966 and his career was continued by a lookalike.

I don't actually believe it but its a fun conspiracy.

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>>17835209
The Paris theater massacre happens on the same day the Paris mission of Battlefield 3 happened

>>17835245
Going up higher doesn't necessarily make you closer to the sun, the earth is a sphere. High altitudes are colder because the atmosphere is less dense so there is less matter to contain heat. Space is cold, its the atmosphere that keeps us warm. Its the atmosphere that is warmed by the sun.

mods a shit

>>17826590
>Conspiracy theories you believe are true, and the main reason you do.

That the Planet Earth is a Living Being but the
">>17832146
>masonic false sciences."
Are silencing the Gaia Hypotesis

>>17830962
the goal is to use the higher tiers of the pyramid, not the lowest one.

>>17832205
A lot of conspiracy theories are created for religious or ideological motives to bend over backwards to justify themselves.

>>17828707
>pop science

Pop science isn't real science, just like pop music isn't real music.

>>17835175
I don't understand why people can be in such disbelief. Watch The Truman Show. That is reality, except we aren't as interesting. When everyone is born and shown a globe and constantly reminded of things they can't perceive any other way (at least until they get the tools/tech to do so) they come to "know" it as fact. People accept the world they are shown.

>>17826605
Here's a conspiracy. I believe absolutely retarded conspiracies like flat earth and reptillians are intentionally started and supported by people who have a vested interest in tainting the mere notion of conspiracy theories in the public perception in order to protect the real world conspiracies they're involved in.

The .1% loves for the public to dismiss and ignore people who may really be exposing financial, corporate, governmental et cetera conspiracies because the public automatic associates the term "conspiracy" with people who think Justin Bieber is a lizard and that Colombus would have fallen off the edge of the Earth.

>>17826605

The sudden surge in flat earth is one of the most obvious disinfo memes I've ever seen.

>>17826720
Only retarded skinheads believe no jews were at the very least deported. Yes, jews were sent to work camps. Yes, jews died, but most likely not from extermination.
To explain the skeletal thin bodies of the jews they found, I would not have expected anything more. Considering supplies was limited due to the European axis getting gangraped (literally and figuratively) on three fronts, no shit they had to let the jews be with little supply as compared to the fighting men on the fronts.

>>17835780
This. It pays to shill when you're scum on the verge of being outed.

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>>17835780
this.

Things like Operation Northwoods and MKUltra and The Gulf of Tonkin incident(s) are verified, not only by hard evidence but by admission of the government, but people waste time focusing on exaggerated claims similar to, or related to, these; "Project Monarch", for instance, the satanic abuse Illuminati CIA-sanctioned kidnapping and torturing of thousands of children and celebrities to make mind-controlled slaves (as part of MKUltra, naturally) -- and all of this stemming from the testimony of Cathy O'Brien and her book, Trance Formation of America. While these folks are busy invested in creating and sharing so-called 'evidence' for 9/11 and Sandy Hook being inside jobs (in some cases, causing continuing torture and grief to the victims and aid-workers), many real government abuses continue - Guantanamo and so many foreign entanglements with false pretenses, the NSA spying, etc. It's a shame because these are the people most likely to investigate these and find similar immoral and illegal actions, and they're busy being angry at NASA for faking the moon landing.

I even thought of all the recent police brutality cases, cops shooting unarmed civilians, a lack of transparency as to police operations and internal investigations, the fact that DA's and police work hand-in-hand to put away criminals and yet when a cop is the criminal, it's the same DA they've worked with for years that is tasked to build a case against them, all sorts of 'dirty' police work... but it was a paranoid guy found to have committed suicide that has /x/ and many others across the nation up in arms (on the internet, anyway).
>>17831496
>>17834863

mkultra
because is it even still a conspiracy theory when they admit its all true?

>>17826590
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
This

>>17830311
I think they also sent him to spy on russia. All the hoopla about how he betrayed us to make it look like he needed to hide out there. Plus they do love their subtle name jokes. Snowed in snowden perfect name for a spy publicly embedded in russia.

>>17836724
No way at all my dude.
He's the supreme internet savior that couldn't possibly be a spyguy
If he was Putin accepted him in as a lol

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>>17826590
magic is real. people do it all the time. the governments stay in control because of said magic.
you can do magic

>>17827404
if you look at planetary bodies through a telescope(you know ones you can buy and assemble @ home) why are they round? based on observation can we not then conclude that the earth is also round because they inhabit the same space.

Why are jannies deleting these threads?

>>17820294
>>17837038

>>17835265
a year of a difference

>>17826618
earth isn't flat. do you think satelittes are all fake. look at the damn moon. it's not flat either

>>17826605
Flat earth threads are cancer that's why

A recent study was published assessing the viability of conspiracy theories.

Basically anything that involves more than 1000 people is mathematically unsustainable and will crumble on itself. So keep that in mind when going crazy.

No one rules the world. But small-scale conspiracies, like companies trying to hide some shit, are likely.

Article (It's open access, anyone can read it): http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147905

>>17826806
>1 image is faked for publicity by a space agency struggling for funding

>they're ALL fake guys come on

>>17826868
Look I'm not shilling but I've taken many chem classes and I swear on the fucking grave of my cousin that fluoride is harmless as The calcium in your milk

>>17837116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c19iELTMVdQ

The Marxist-Leninist subversion of Western society

>>17836825
Anon, don't try this.Flat Earthers don't operate on the same logic.

For them, "space" is a myth, the biblical dome is the truth, and the planets and stars are sentient beings trapped under the firmament.

They even have a reason for the most retarded conspiracy to ever exist: Demons plotted Round Earth so we would accept that aliens could exist so they can come in the future pretending to be aliens and making us accept the Mark of the Beast as a genwetic advancement.

I swear all this shit is things I've read on a fucking flat earth page.

I wish I was this creative.

>>17837124
I haven't watched the video yet, and I won't untuil you answer me:

Does the guy refute the article specifically?

Because mathematic modeloing IS a valid approach for this issue, so unless he can prove the article's modeling is false, fuck wathever hes saying. Claiming the conclusion is invalid because math is not academic is a huge misunderstanding of science.

And don't forget: All papers are peer reviewed.

>>17826713
Come to Poland and visit camps. Not only jews were dying there, mostly those were poles, russians, ukrainians, romanians and others. Auschwitz was a camp strictly for poles, birkenau was for jews. Propaganda is only about amount of jews killed there. There weren't 6 millions of them in whole europe back then.

>>17837134
He does go into detail and reads from the article and answers specifically and to the point, IIRC.

>>17837116
Why must there be more than 1000 people in on a conspiracy to rule the world anyway? We all know the world is basically ruled by less than 20 countries with 5 of them really being in charge so why is it unbelievable that it can be done with less than 1000 people? Does the study count people being used as pawns or manipulated without ever being in on the truth of the conspiracy as "involved"?

>>17837137
You do understand that Polish Jews existed, right? You can't say a camp was "only for Poles" and that another camp was "only for Jews" because a Jew can be a German Jew, Polish Jew, Russian Jew, etc.

>>17837134
I think he also criticized the logic and the variables of the model as well. Does that answer your question?

>>17828585
Because science isn't just saying something is true it always has imperially backed up facts and data, not to mention all the mind bending math that goes into its, religion says "ohh magic sky boy created earth if you think different you're wrong" that's literal cancer, I can wrote an equation proving the earth flat, whether or not you actually understand it is entirely your fault...

>>17837141
The Turquoise Messiah goes into depth about this, see
>>17837124

>>17837138
>>17837150
Okay, I'll give it a look then.

I'm sayign that because I've literally seen Flat Earthers go "If you can't reproduce something in any scale, empirically, it's not scientific!" and that's not how fucking science works. And conspiracy theorists tend to misunderstand science. Case in point >>17828585

>>17837141
You'd need more than simply the leaders. You'd need at least the directors of the mainstream media in every country, for example. And that's barely scratching the surface.

Bear in mind that I'm talking about NWO/Illuminatti-tier of absolute control, absurd schemes (Like populational reduction etc) and complete planning here.

>>17837121
chemists recommend bleach water, fluoride toothpaste, mercury teeth fillings, mercury baby vaccines, soy replacement breast milk, powdered milk replacement, barium aluminum chemtrails, barium aluminum baking powder, sweet-n-low replacement sugar, aluminum anti perspirant, depleted uranium bullet casing, lithium (chemotherapy) as a treatment for brain-chemical imbalance (illness), pesticide food, irradiated food, gmo food, ecoli virus gmo food, aspertame soda, aspertame energy drinks, sugar-rich-diet, corn-syrup and more

also invented aids virus, weaponized syphillis and more

also tested bio weapons on us population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

>Fluoride is the same ingredient in rat poison and Prozac.
>Mercury was known toxic since 500BC [dartmouth edu tox histroy mercury] still given to 3.2billion babies

pretty much batting 0 / 0
cancer rate is about 100%, 25 million heart attacks a year, 1:5 admit mentall illlness really about 1:3 or 1:2.

the mercury teeth is the worst proof of chemist idiocy. removed after 50 years and then covered up -- oops we mutated your offsprings dna sorry folks. and then left in the vaccines for 50 years more. then removed from vaccines and never talked about.

oh and vaccines are little UFOs, kids now injected with 24 types of little UFOs, agenda 2032 calls for 100 vaccines per child by 2032. gl hf we borg now son :D

>>17837241
https://medium.com/@bananaguy80/the-great-filter-theory-are-we-a-filter-f73a2f1e933f#.6inknk6kb

>>17837241
>oh and vaccines are little UFOs

As someone who actually work with health: Fuck off.

Refusing to vaccinate your children is the most irresponsible thing you could do to them AND yto your entire community.

>>17837241
No they fucking don't. Talk to a doctor and they'll tell you all that shit is garbage

Vaccines are little UFOS
> archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17811959/

>>17837241
Mercury fillings don't leak Mercury. You are such a blatant troll it's ridiculous.
I'm triggered

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>>17837241
good post

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NYT supported 200 years of every war, every chemical, and hid every genocide and conspiracy.
And Congress deleted your letters/emails for 200 years

> notehub.org/zijhl data & memes archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/73472279/#73472279

>>17837259
why doesn't the mainstream medical establishment push for better nutritional education? why do they not admit that the levels of sugar we are intaking now are toxic to the human body?

why do so many more people suffer from obesity and diabetes and cancer than ever before and why don't 99% of doctors give a shit? they either don't know or don't care and whatever the case may be, they're useless and would go along with whatever their establishment (paid by special interests) tells them to think.

>4 out of 5 doctors smoke marlboro for it's throat soothing goodness and rich, full flavor

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>>17837270

historical cases about reptilians
> archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17571733/

matrix beds
> r eddit.com/comments/3zacpy/
> video youtube.com/watch?v=aoQITEatw8I

mercury vaxx known toxic since 500bc
> r eddit.com/comments/3za5e7/

worms_the_size_of_10000_galaxies
> r eddit.com/comments/3zbtkb/

psychiatry is a medical fraud
> r eddit.com/comments/4a4y1d/

science lies
> r eddit.com/r/gangstalkingmkultra/comments/4fb98a/science_lies_relevant_to_mind_control/

nwo bloodline / state of the world 2016 / newspapers wont touch this data
> imgur.com/a/gr8iy

>>17837273
why doesn't the mainstream medical establishment push for better nutritional education? why do they not admit that the levels of sugar we are intaking now are toxic to the human body?

What the fuck are you talking about you fucking chimpanzee? They do! Literally any doctor will tell you western diet is shit and diabetes, obesity, hypertension and other metabolic diseases are on the ride.

What else do you want us to do, hurl together and start trashing McDonald's stores?

>>17837285
First line was supposed to be a >quote

>>17837285
>What else do you want us to do, hurl together and start trashing McDonald's stores?
Or at least not have McDonalds sponsor their conferences?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/05/my-trip-mcdonalds-sponsored-nutritionist-convention

You ignorant piece of shit.

>>17837291
Again: Literally all studies agree that fast food and western diet in general is shit.

There is no conspiracy here m8.

The only ignorant fuck is you.

>>17837297
You just don't want to believe that corporate interests control everything, including our medical establishment.

If doctors are doing their job then WHY ARE WE ALL FUCKING SICK?

Figure it out. The results speak for themselves. You're the one in denial here.

>>17826625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIJRoj2qwsc

>>17837297
Explan why hundreds of thousands of people in the USA die of medical malpractice and adverse drug effects?

>>17837310
>You just don't want to believe that corporate interests control everything, including our medical establishment.

Anon, I don't think I've made myself clear enough:

Go to pubmed.com and search for Obesity or Diabetes and Diet and you'll see tons of articles stabilishing this link.

The scientific community DOES know that bad food = bad health, and so does the general public. People just don't care. And no scientists or doctors can force people to stop eating like shit.

>If doctors are doing their job then WHY ARE WE ALL FUCKING SICK?

That depends, "sick" by what?

Metabolic diseases like obesity and diabetes? Because people refuse to stop eating like shit and to start exercizing.

Bacterial or Viral diseases? This shit just happens, and we do our best to make vaccines to prevent them, and remedies to cure them. But of course, technology has it's limits.

>>17837322
Because shit doctors exists and pharmacology is a goddamn complicated field, and biological organisms' response can't be predicted exactly, only estimated.

Remedies having adverse effects is an absolutely common thing. That's why drug development is such a bitch, because it needs to pass many tests to prove it is reasonably safe. But even then there are people who will be affected by adverse effects.

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>>17837327
>Because shit doctors exists and pharmacology is a goddamn complicated field

So then maybe the doctors should be fired if pharmacology is too complicated for them.

The system is obviously corrupt and broken, if you can't admit that you are in another world

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>>17837327
cancer rate is somewhere between 70%-100%
autism rate is 10%
mental illness admitted rate is 20%, really is 40-100%

miscarriages,abortions climbed 400% with the vaxx rate (which jumped 400% in 1980)
birth defects and retardation at an all time high

prison rates jumped 400% since vaxx rate jumped 400%
marriage rates and avg male USA height dropped 1980 since vaxx rate

proof ayylmao is real? rape rate is 25% admitted, alleged 50-100%.

>>>17837322
heres some new data for you.
chemists are selling you synethised, boiled, reproduced and copied, manufactured chemicals

but whats in those? after all the manufacturing they contain only simple life... crickets (insects). moon crickets (of asperin) aka the common grasshopper to be exact.
(the way life is created (biology) crickets are the only life that could be made from simply handling pills and touching pills)

what are pills? synthesized salad extracts, and synthesized dirt

if you ate a real salad you could get dinosaurs, and then you could get giant ape-man (humans) who could grow to be 20-40 feet tall like the olden days

(theres little to no proof of this, but see some cat-cucumber reaction videos, and dog vs lettuce videos, for what there is. imho just a theory... a friend told me eating a salad gives you gremlins, which is also why vegas cancer rates are higher, on their internal biology is ruled by gremlins/dinosaurs more than apes)

>>17837278
solid fucking post anon
appreciated

>>17837347
>>17837266

thanks bros

>>17837346
vegans cancer rates are higher,
vegans*

>>17837347
>>17837266
>>17837347
stop samefagging.

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>>17837346
>but whats in those? after all the manufacturing they contain only simple life... crickets (insects). moon crickets (of asperin) aka the common grasshopper to be exact.
>(the way life is created (biology) crickets are the only life that could be made from simply handling pills and touching pills)
>what are pills? synthesized salad extracts, and synthesized dirt
>if you ate a real salad you could get dinosaurs, and then you could get giant ape-man (humans) who could grow to be 20-40 feet tall like the olden days

>>17837346
you're obviously a fucking troll, so shut up.

>>17837345
I didn't mean Pharmacology is too hard for the doctors, but here is the deal: The difference between remedy and poison is the dose. Anything can be bad for you. Hell, drink too much water and you'll get water poisoning.

So, drug development consist in finding out if a certain chemical works well against a certain disease without fucking up too much the host's organism, with as little side effect as possible. Finding the balance between the effective dose against the disease (Higher = better) and the dose that will produce the least side effects (lower = better) is key.

But, every person responds differently. Maybe for me, 20mg of the drug will cure my disease, but for you, it won't, because our organisms are different. That's why adverse drug effects end up killing people - some people just respond worse to the drug and develop more side effects than the average population.

Unfortunately, shit happens, but we still need to be able tot reat diseases, and they work for the majority of the population.

>The system is obviously corrupt and broken, if you can't admit that you are in another world

That depends.

There is corruption, OBVIOUSLY. Studies sponsored by the cigar industry in the 60s are a classical example. Fraud is obviously still an issue. And doctors who are in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industries, being stimulated to prescript as many drugs as possible, are a serious and real issue. But they are not the totality and not even the majority. And fiscalization in science has improved a lot.
the rest of us are doing what we can, but humans are not perfect. IF we had the perfect cure for every disease it would be aqwesome, but we won't and we never will because shit is more complicated than you think.

>>17837346
This is all bullshit. The link between autism and viccination has been debunked multiple times.

Here's the most recent review I could find on a quick search. Go learn something: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24814559

>>17837387
Adding this because I run out of space:

Here's a statistical heads-up: It's not because two things increased at the same time that there is a causality. Sometimes there's not even a correlation (And correlation =/= causality)

>>17837387
>Studies sponsored by the cigar industry in the 60s are a classical example.
Why are you pretending this doesn't still happen? This is why I called you ignorant, you ignorant piece of shit.

>>17837394
>>>/reddit/

>>17837417
For fuck's sake:

They could happen (I don't remember any big cases recently, but I'm sure biased studies are a thing), but they get drowned in legit studies, JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH THE CIGARS.

Cigar and cancer correlation in the 60s was quickly stabilished because for every 1 sponsored study falsifying data there was 5 pointing "HEY MATE THIS SHIT CAUSES CANCER".

How the fuck do you have the courage to call people ignorant when you clearly don't know shit what you're talking about?

Do you even work in science? Because I do, you mongoloid.

>>17837387
>The difference between remedy and poison is the dose.
Thats implying that your drug that you maufactured in a lab is a "remedy" and is totally good for you.

Dosage is not really an argument you can fall back on because these recalls happen en mass. Pradaxa, Zoloft, all of those wierd drugs come with a shit ton of side effects, suicide and fatal heart bleeding being some of them.

>
So, drug development consist in finding out if a certain chemical works well against a certain disease without fucking up too much the host's organism, with as little side effect as possible. Finding the balance between the effective dose against the disease (Higher = better) and the dose that will produce the least side effects (lower = better) is key.

Its not just about finding a balance between effective dosages. Cost and profit are huge motives. They are not looking for the best drug with little side effects they are looking for the most profitable drug, because pharmacology is a multi billion dollar industry. If you think certain treatments or cures haven't been suppressed for profit you are delusional.

> Studies sponsored by the cigar industry in the 60s are a classical example.

You don't need to go back to the 60s to prove theres courruption in the pharmacology industry. You can go and look at them openly admitting that they are putting drugs in the drinking water to "help with suicides"

>>17837432
You're too dumb to "work in science" even if it's corrupt.

>>17837433
>You can go and look at them openly admitting that they are putting drugs in the drinking water to "help with suicides"
Please explain

>>17837432
>They could happen (I don't remember any big cases recently
yeah, because you haven't done any research and are just talking out of your ass regarding things you know nothing about. terrible human being.

I believe aliens are real.

>>17837367
sorry mate didn't samefag. good stuff is rare on /x/ you should know that

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>>17837437
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1390732/Adding-Lithium-drinking-water-lower-suicide-rates.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/opinion/sunday/should-we-all-take-a-bit-of-lithium.html?_r=0

>>17837435
Believe what you want m8, I'm writting my paper on antioxidant teraphy for diabetes as we speak.

>>17837442
>He says, while providing zero sources.

Again, I'm not denying science is corruptible, but the number of legit scientists far outnumber the fraudulent ones.

>>17837433
>Thats implying that your drug that you maufactured in a lab is a "remedy" and is totally good for you.

Remedies are sold to cure diseases, so yeah. They wouldn't profit if they were straight-up poison.

>Dosage is not really an argument you can fall back on because these recalls happen en mass. Pradaxa, Zoloft, all of those wierd drugs come with a shit ton of side effects, suicide and fatal heart bleeding being some of them.

They are not nearly as common as you're trying to paint them as being.

Again: There is NO substance that you can put in your body that won't do any effect (at least not any drug - their entire purpose is making an effect). And, sometimes, thanks to the way our body is made, something that has an desirable effect also have side effects.

THIS IS NORMAL. These drugs are used because there is a lack of alternatives and they were proven safe enough for the general population. Of course, sometimes there safety tests fails and this, too, is normal, considering we're all humans capable of failing.

>Its not just about finding a balance between effective dosages. Cost and profit are huge motives. They are not looking for the best drug with little side effects they are looking for the most profitable drug, because pharmacology is a multi billion dollar industry.

You1re absolutely right on that, many treatments are overlooked because they are not lucrative enough.

(cont)

>>17837452
Unbelievable and frightening that they would even consider this. Can't they just let us be?

>>17837463
>Again, I'm not denying science is corruptible, but the number of legit scientists far outnumber the fraudulent ones.
That's the problem. It's legitimate scientists who are being funded by corporations. They don't have to fake the research, just manipulate the studies to APPEAR to support what they need them to support.

And I'm not going to provide sources so you can explain them away. You're an apologist for the system. If you want to be educated, educate yourself.

>>17837463
>Remedies are sold to cure diseases

Wrong, there is no such thing as the word cure in the industry. Everything is treatment. They will call you a quack if you use the word cure even once.

>They are not nearly as common as you're trying to paint them as being.

I see them on the TV all the time. Lawyers saying you can get compensation and the recall commercials are on all the time.

>THIS IS NORMAL

No, fatal heart bleeding is not normal, no suicidal thoughts are not normal.

>These drugs are used because there is a lack of alternatives

Is it really a lack of alternatives? You have the suppressed alternatives because of lack of profit and you have things such as traditional chinese medicine. Is there REALLY a lack of alternatives? Maybe there is a lack of profitable alternatives.

>>17837322
Because it's cheaper to kill them than it is to pay their 40 years of benefits post-retirement.

Government medicine / insurance companies / etc. have zero incentive to keep you alive once you're old.

It won't be long before the 'retirement' age exceeds life expectancy at birth and your years of mandatory retirement fees go to nothing but slush fund projects.

>>17837463
I had written a full post, hit esc by accident and lost everything, so I'll be more concise this time:

>If you think certain treatments or cures haven't been suppressed for profit you are delusional.

Supressed? No. They just end up not being developed, or being developed by Non-profit organizations (Search up Vasagel for example. It's a masculine contraceptive method that's reversible, but it's not very lucrative, so no developer wanted to pick it up. A non-profit organization did and it's close to start human trials).

You could say that potential drugs being overlooked for not being financially interesting is fucked up, and you'd be right! But that's how capitalism works. It's not science's fault.

The notion that Big Pharma is killing scientists at the verge of breakthroughs, however, is ludicrous. If a potential drug appears and it could be financially viable, it will be picked up by one of the enterprises ASAP.

>>17837485
>No I'm not going to source my delusions, fuck off.

Anon:

1 - Go read about Peer Review. No research is published before a completely independent scientists reading your paper and criticizing everything that can be criticized about it.

2 - Basic research (Which is the science that goes and says "Hey, eating fast-food can fuck up your health") is mostly public funded worldwide, exactly BECAUSE it's not immediately applicable and therefore not financially interesting for the market.

Again: The shit you've pointed here is already known by scientists.

This discussion started with "WHY ARE THEY NOT TELLING US TO IMPROVE OUR DIET????" when, well, THEY ARE. And always have been.

>>17837510
>WHY ARE THEY NOT TELLING US TO IMPROVE OUR DIET????" when, well, THEY ARE. And always have been.

Yeah like when they completely shilled for the dairy industry

>>17837510
>that's how capitalism works.

No thats how a plutocracy works. Everyone that has a potential cure or non mainstream treatment is treated like they are a quack and don't say this hasn't happened and don't say their industry has never been threatened because thats stupid to say so.

Thats like saying the oil industry has never been threatened by free technology

Profitable marketable treatments =/= the best available treatment

>>17837510
It's not delusion, it's fact. And you wonder why I didn't bother. You are unbelievably ignorant for a "scientist". Or just dumb.

Lemme guess, science is the best thing to ever happen on the planet and they've never advised incorrectly or irresponsibly and then quietly said OOPS after the damage has been done?

>>17837521
THIS IS THE POINT

Get that, you scientific retard? >>17837510

The JFK "hit list" is kind of spoopy

>>17826618
Its literally harder for earth to be flat than round wtf? This bullshit is why all conspiracy theories are seen as crazy shit.

the american government uses the "heroes and villains" mentality of modern american society to justify sticking their fingers and their military where it doesn't belong, for profit

not sure if this counts but its still kind of scary. also jfk conspiracy is p spooky

>>17837452
that's because people flush their medications

>>17837273
What in the actual fuck? Have you ever talked to a doctor?

They broadcast this shit on tv nonstop, Michelle Obama talks about it.... I'm done.

I can't even this anymore

>>17837322
I know people with diabetes and they eat like shit and smoke cigs drink still.
They die cause they don't want to diet.

>>17828802
>>17828814
>>17828723
>>17828867
>>17828954
>>17830460
>>17830912
The only good posts in this entire damn thread

>>17826590
Radio has gone to shit cause they want you to buy satellite radio since if you go high enough the parent company of the parent company its all the same super company running the show.

>>17837273
>>17837760
>smoking

Smoking isn't bad for you though. The establishment just wants you to think it is bad when it is actually harmless and can protect you neurologically.

http://www.smokingaloud.com/death.html

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/38868-smoking-is-good-for-you/

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>>17837158
>>17837124
I watched it again and he BTFOs the whole thing.
Thank god for the Turquoise Messiah.