Occultism & Magick: Library Update 33

>>17778056
Relevant stats:
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Bump.

>>17778064
Fuck it, made a /his/ thread too, I'm sure there's at least some interested parties over there who may want the material but not want to hang here.
>I don't blame them.
>>>/his/1248476

>>17778056
>Treatise on Angel Magick
>Ruddian obfuscation

kek

>Malinowsky's Sex, Culture, and Myth
>Catherine Bell's Ritual Theory: Ritual Practice (Oxford)
>Inanna: Queen of Heaven (Her Hymns and Stories from Sumer)
>Liber Iuratus Honorii
>The Cabala of Being: John Dee's Semiotic Ontology in the Monas
>A Companion to Angel in Medieval Philosophy

Sweet!

>In Operibus (04, DRJ)

I've got all these through, In Operibus 8. He posted them to the study group a week or two ago.

>>17778098

Probably wise.

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>>17778214
>He posted them to the study group a week or two ago.
It was the one I found most interesting/relevant to my studies I still need to go through and scrape out the rest of the dox flying around since Jason "Clickbait" Louv started asking big-boy questions.

>>17778223

I think he was also trying to bring me up to speed, as well. He's got much farther with the SdA than I'd imagined. We're no closer on the thrones, but understand the contours of the problem a bit better.

The Daughters and their daughters are still a bit maddening. I had the curious thought that they might not have fixed planetary attributions and 'answered' directly to the archangels, but suspect it may have just been intellectual lint.

>>17778223
How is the dragon stuff going?

>>17778235
I need to take a break from that line of study anyhow, I begin work on the Behenian Fixed Stars on...Friday.

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>>17778249
I'm the last one standing from this year, I think.
Witch-woman with the blog never updated.
Never saw anything new from the mega-homo or Brazilians.
And the spirits seemed to have kicked the Golden Dawn member off the current for ... indolence. He's in Korea right now, wrote me about two weeks back.

Mine's the only serious eye I'm aware of on the system right now. My suspected CS contacts are all synchretizing their own shit.

Not much new w/r/t the notes, other than a better understanding of where/how to use the Lover's Call to the Angel of Wytchblood.

>>17778250

How's that going?

I've sometimes been tempted to give the Dirge a link to one of these dumpster fires. At least our shitposts don't make you want to claw your damned eyes out. That Al-Anon group gives me the fucknig fantods almost as bad as it does him.

>>17778266
>mega-homo

Wat?

>>17778276
When the Golden Dawn guy hopped on board the DBoE project we started hunting through blogs using Sabbatean dog whistles as keywords; one of the blogs we dredged up was a guy essentially posting porn of himself alongside more erotic passages from the text, aside with the other curious personalities I mentioned.

We never reached out to the bloggers just wanted to keep our fingers on the pulse of the current if there was one and see who else was trying to work the rites.

AFAIK I'm the only "public" person whose gathered the necessary ritual tools.

>>17778297
You started in September / October from what I remember. This year is almost out then, any major stuff to recount? Was it generally a good trip / pratice?

>>17778297
>AFAIK I'm the only "public" person whose gathered the necessary ritual tools.

Pretty cool, really.

>>17778331
Yeah, work the fuckin' book.
My reasons for doing it are actually still on the horizon, though just barely.

Consecrate the Phoenix Vessel on Fri. Then, two weeks of planetary and HGA aspiration before it goes in the fire and I ascend the Ladder of Stars to begin practice on the ecliptic rather than on the nail-star.

The next two/three months are going to be the dealbreakers on whether or not the system delivers on its promises.

It's odd, there's a second Angel rite after a run of sex magick, still not sure how to parse that yet, these rites are huge and crunchy, I'm taking it about a month ahead at a time.

>>17778362
>The next two/three months are going to be the dealbreakers on whether or not the system delivers on its promises.
Okay, we'll chat about in a couple months again then.

>>17778056

Top work - I'll dig in.

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>>17778297
God damn, I just can't stay away from this place.

There definitely ARE other people doing it, how far they've gotten is a different matter.

I'm out, unfortunately. My vessel shattered. Took a few weeks after SA to get my shit together, and from the look of it, I've been booted by whoever guides the system. No ill effects as of yet.

No one on that yahoo group actually seemed to be working it, but if you're patient and use very very specific search terms, you can find mentions of it online. Pic related is the HU altar of some guy we found a while back.

The wiki is still there, though obviously as I'm out, I'm not keeping it up any more. Happy to let anyone else edit it though, the notes we were using were getting great, but we never actually ended up putting them on then.

>>17778500
>Happy to let anyone else edit it though, the notes we were using were getting great, but we never actually ended up putting them on then
*cough*

>>17778500
>>17778503
>If you're not getting serious negative impact, the Hidden Intercessor probably slid you off the more dedicated path. Might I possibly recommend a more gradated, Azoetia approach? Or, more interestingly, given where they kicked you off, attempting access through the Solar Mysteries rather than Lunar next year? As in start by priming the Phoenix vessel rather than the Marriage Vessel.

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>>17778503
Well I have the admin email, but afaik it's open access editing-wise (if it's not, let me know), so feel free- most of what I'd have been putting up there would be paraphrases of your notes anyway.

I actually meant to give it a good overhaul a while back but never got around it to. Weird to think that it's essentially the only real resource for the book anywhere besides the actual book itself.

Maybe include a passage saying that glass is a bad idea for vessels. Wood is a pain in the ass, but it's not like it'll shatter if transported. Though it would probably smell pretty bad given some of the content of the offerings.

>>17778522
>glass is a bad idea for vessels
My glass is now stuffed with a myriad of bones and divers offerings of mine own heart's discerning hand.

I'm almost sad to see the Phoenix Vessel go, it's so gorgeous. I just popped open the wine quenching the star-blade last night in some Lemegeton operations.

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>>17778520
Yeah it's weird, my first reactions when I felt that it was broken was 'oh fuck', given Fitzgerald's warning about how you have to finish if you start it.

So if I had to take a guess, I was either kicked slightly before SA or slightly after SA, around that period. So I'd be missing like 1-2 of the major rites iirc. Not insuperable I guess, no reason other elements can't be substituted in to make up the difference.

Azoetia could be a nice alternative though- it'd certainly remove some of the more painful aspects of DBoE (burning stuff, shopping lists for offerings, fire alarms going off, etc.). I'll give it a look.

Any thoughts on the system since I was last here?

>>17778534
Just try not to transport it, or bubble-wrap it if you do. It was partly my fault that shattered, but the feeling that I got was "out you get m8", so I guess it was happening one way or the other

>>17778544
>Any thoughts on the system since I was last here?
Only a correlation between the Alphabet of Desire and the meditations for Dancing on the Capstone.

Other than that, I cleaned up my attributes for the Mothers and Fathers of Wytchblood. Other than that, my progress has been almost nil (This appears to be somewhat by design). As mentioned I've a much better understanding of how Call to the Angel fits into the IA rite.

>wrap
Mine's already layered with cloth and my transport's in a tightly packed and padded backpack, I've had no issue.

>>17778555
>Mine's already layered with cloth and my transport's in a tightly packed and padded backpack, I've had no issue.

So was mine, unfortunately, on both counts. But there you go.

>Other than that, I cleaned up my attributes for the Mothers and Fathers of Wytchblood. Other than that, my progress has been almost nil (This appears to be somewhat by design). As mentioned I've a much better understanding of how Call to the Angel fits into the IA rite.

Cool, that was one of the major puzzle pieces. Any thoughts on why it was left out?

>>17778558
>Any thoughts on why it was left out?
It wasn't.
Hold on I need to cross reference to explain...

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>>17778266
>Witch-woman with the blog never updated.

Oh her? The one from the Group? Yeah she was nuts, don't think she was even practicing. She wanted to do the Lunar method without any of us actually knowing what it is.

>And the spirits seemed to have kicked the Golden Dawn member off the current for ... indolence. He's in Korea right now, wrote me about two weeks back.

Back home now. And yeah, indolence seems to be about right. Fitzgerald's warning about how the book destabilises you also rings true, it fucked my shit up around Jan/Feb, and that threw me way off course. Probably worth mentioning in the wiki if you edit it (i.e. if you're going to do it, make sure you have stable foundations. House built in YHWH and all that)

>>17778570
>>17778575
Here we go:

Rite of KHU, Second Circle, "Call of Azhu'Taus", compare with Call to the Angel of Wytchblood's third section (Sacrifice for divine assumption).

Notice in the Rite of KHU that the oration is right a the Sacrifice of Vessels.

>>17778600
Aaaah

So the Lovers Call is essentially a Version 1.0 of that, or meant as a devotional exercise after it?

>>17778610
I'm not sure.
If my suspicions are correct, the Call of the Angel of Wytchblood is a condensed version of the five empowerments at IA (which the LCtAW redacts) with the closing orations in KHU (which LCtAW keeps intact).

I do think it was guy's rewrite of the actual materials in DBoE, but we'd need to see them seekrit initiatory copies to be sure.

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>>17778621
Oh hey did you see the pics I dredged up of this shit?

>>17778636
Unliklely dem sekrit klub copies will ever leak unfortunately, so there'd only be one way to actually do that I reckon.

>>17778636
U wot m9

What am I looking at here?

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>>17778780
Sheeeeeiiiiit, that's the Totemic Invokation to the Shadow Selves, check this shit:

>The Red Grimoire, is known to have been purchased by Jack Macbeth (Orlando Britts), and was referenced by him in his privately published book The Totemic Invocation of the Shadow Selves, one of several recent books styled as "grimoires" that have followed in the wake of The Azoëtia.
http://www.weiserantiquarian.com/pages/books/54703/jack-macbeth-38/totemic-invocation-of-the-shadow-selves-a-rite-of-otherness-entire/?soldItem=true

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>>17778789

>>17778789
>>17778798
Now this I hadn't heard of

Where'd you dig up those pics? Or did you take some sneaky ones in a library?

Interesting that we're getting to a point where there's now post-Chumbley material coming out....despite the fact that we're two of maybe like 20-50 people ever who have actually had a crack at the main Chumbley work.

Never heard of Jack Macbeth though, what's his deal?

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>>17778820
Dunno, looks like some visual artist/edgelord.

Red Grimoire's one of Chumbley's unpublished works. This synchretizes it.

Found the pics in an loooooong dead ebay auction.

>>17778832
Chumbley HAD to have been NEET, he seems to have produced a Crowley level of material.

So we know that:
>Red Grimoire
>Greene Gospel
>Aureon
are CS-only so far, until Schulke finishes Aureon, if that's actually a thing.

Going to guess the Red Grimoire is cthonic stuff, then? Given the 'red' element.

>>17778847
Probably also Chumbley's direct answer to Baphomet/Horned God/Pan/"Satan" as well.

The material focuses on the Black Man of the Sabbath; Apetheui, so reckoned by Azoetia.

>>17778858
http://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/jack-macbeth-the-totemic-invocation-of-shadow-selves/page/2/

Huh, bit surprised this never came up while we were Google-mining for rare Chumblies

And that thread is from 2009, so this has been whispered about for a while.

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>>17778870
>Google-mining for rare Chumblies
>mfw

>>17778870

An intense practice can start to fuck causality. It happens.

Is there any rituals to help with Astral Projection?

ok you guys keep blurting this Chumbley name so I'm starting to think it's worth looking into

btw, nice to read wizards chatting about incomprehensible antics

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>>17779195
Chumbley is weird, and comes off as very pretentious and obscure, but the amount of knowledge contained in the material is insane.

Give him a go, the library has far and away the most complete collection of his stuff available for free. Up to a few years ago, Xoanon were insanely anal about piracy, so no copies of his stuff had leaked, and after Chumbley's death, the price of his books skyrocketed, so basically no one had them (meaning none got online). So basically, there's very little written about them, and /omg/ is one of the few places you actually get discussion on it.

It'll come off as 'le spookie witchcrafte' initially, but look past it, it gets very interesting. Jury's still out on whether DBoE does what it says it does, but it's an interesting model either way.

If I end up digging into the Azoetia, I'll report back on it. Chumbley has a strong reputation, we're in the process of seeing if it's justified

>>17779293
>93
>Jury's still out on whether DBoE does what it says it does,
Footnote:
From the Rite of KA through the rite of BHA does what it says on the label. Beyond that I've not experimented with.

>>17779293
>le spookie witchcrafte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1W5u7WSEws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcTVVUFnKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qis2EFSLjlM

>>17779293
>Chumbley is weird, and comes off as very pretentious and obscure

I'm OK with wizards doing that, it's when philosophers do it in public when I take exception and go apeshit

I already got the chumbley folder.

>t'll come off as 'le spookie witchcrafte' initially

thanks for the fair warning, but I take that kind of shit as integral to the wizardly antics

a different question is whether I'll like his particular brand or not

>>17779379
>a different question is whether I'll like his particular brand or not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKMVzmoYnLU

>>17779371
Kek, forgot about our death grips theory.

Having MC Ride as a CS mentor would kick ass

What are the other two, though?

>>17779379
>a different question is whether I'll like his particular brand or not

Only one way to find out :^)

>>17779397
Secret Chiefs 3 have Zorn and Patton lurking in the background.

Magdelena Solis is a noname band, but they appeared on the Zero Kama tribute album along with Cultus Sabbati which I'm dead certain is headed by/linked to Schulke.

Been wanting to explore Chumbley for a while. Bought the DBOE but sold it for twice what I paid when money was tight. Been trying to re-read it on the kindle but the words strain my eyes. Much love to you, ape of thoth, for making your occult library free. Unfortunately I'm dealing with some shit the occult can't help with currently. I'm diagnosed schizophrenic and a lot of doctors warn against that. I also am a NEET and cannot perform rituals at my parent's house.

>tfw /r9k/ makes sense to you

>>17779407
Keep taking your meds and going to therapy.
Schizophrenia's a beast but it can remit.

>>17779407
Definitely explore the Order of Nine Angles, Tempel ov Blood and temple of the Black Light. These organizations are deep into the extreme side of the Left Hand Parh

>>17779486

The ONA has some (limited) value but that "anti-cosmic" shit is nothing but dark fluff for overcompensating wusses.

>>17779495
I am inclined to agree for the most part. Much of it is just dark Gnosticism with some misunderstandings of the qlippoth thrown in. That said they do have some interesting elements (especially the proto organization MLO)

>>17779441
Yeah. I've gone into remission since I started taking medication. Got a good non-shilly psychiatrist. I have a freemason jew jungian psychotherapist too. Life is pretty good aside from ocassional bothers from my mom to get back in college and/or find a job but it's pretty difficult seeing as I have eye problems which prohibit me from driving and I don't like the public transportation in my city. I tried applying to some local gas stations and convenience stores but they never got back to me. Oh well.
>>17779486
No thanks. The darkest I go is Kenneth Grant.

>>17779407
>bought the DBoE

Absolute madman

My advice: print it off in chunks, at an internet cafe if you can't do it at home. Judging by some of the fliers at the front of the one I did it at, they were used to people like us coming in and printing off weird shit, so they didn't ask questions.

So like, you'd find the page numbers from the SA page to the page just before BA, then print that block. Cheaper overall than buying the book by a long way. Hell, probably cheaper to get all those pages privately bound as a nice book as well.

>>17779401
>Zorn and Patton

Two other names I haven't heard of, who are they?

>>17779495
Probably this. Their stuff looks interesting, but I have yet to see any results emerging from it. Used to be an ONA poster on /x/, not sure if he's still around

>>17779526
I've still been doing rough transcriptions. Just saluted the Tongue, time to prep IA transcriptions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Zorn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xC0ZvuEuMg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAJR4SreD7s

Which books should I read if I'm just getting into divination?

>>17779716
http://www.weiserantiquarian.com/pages/books/53651/aleister-related-crowley-jerry-cornelius-j-edward-cornelius-marlene-cornelius/red-flame-a-thelemic-research-journal-issue-no-5-yi-king-a-beastly-book-of-changes

Is seeking out a non-physical spiritual teacher a good idea? The last time I tried, I never got his name from him and stopped playing.

i want to learn the basics of good magic and/or read about it.

>>17778056
Excuse me for my newfaggotry, but is there a torrent to get the whole library?

What is the general feeling of religions practicing magick? Stuff like wicca or hoodoo. Is this thread more eclectic or what?

>>17779917
Yes, all you have to do is become mentally il; to actually start believing in this commercial garbage

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>>17779371
death grips is cool, listened to that song and then some.

I'm still ambivalent about the rest

>>17779397
Giving a whirl to Azoetia rite nao. So far the aesthetics please me.

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>>17779917
And on a footnote... God, scanning books is hell. It takes me 5 minutes to process a page: scan, deskew, level, resize, position.
Due to my time constraints I can only scan 10 pages per day. I'm (still) working on the 2nd edition of Greer's Circles of Power. This is the latest page I scanned (147); at ten pages per day, it should be ready by the end of this month.

>>17779933
lolwut

>>17779940
>notanothergoldendawn.book

>>17779943
Autism.

>>17779951
I like Greer's style, and this particular book is interesting to me for his focus on Cabalistic symbology; there are no Enochian or Egyptian stuff, which I prefer to start my studies. I'm a recovering skeptic, please let it slide.

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>>17779971
B-but all the Kabbalah you need to know is right in the Black Brick :3

>>17779976
Which edition would you recommend?
AFAIK the 7th Llewellyn edition has some problems.

>>17779980
I'm being cheeky.
They all have problems, they come through Regardie.
Also, I've not flipped through the 7th edition.

>>17779951
sempai insulted me!! *///*

I was wondering about the "commercial" part, I can't see anything commercial in execution or spirit around...

so maybe yeah, autism, cuz I srsly dun geddit

>>17779984


thoth, do you ever think you spend too little time in /div/ and too much time on /x/?

No chaos, gtfo

What are your goals for today/this week/this month?

>>17780021
I'm not the diviner Thoth.

>>17780025
Open your eyes, there's a chaos folder.

>>17780125
Go to bed, transcribe more, and finish the KHU rite.

Has anyone here read Skinner's "Techniques of … magic" tomes? Are they any good?

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>>17778056
Thanks m8

>>17778056
>those entries under European
Consider me intrigued.

>>17779720

Oh, god no.

>>17779716

If you're interested in the Yi Ching at all, start here:

http://www.biroco.com/yijing/

>>17779924
>What is the general feeling of religions practicing magick?

I doubt there is a general feeling. You'd have to be more specific.

>>17779940

And you're lucky. We used to do all that on photocopiers.

>>17781474
I constantly feel REALLY bad for my professors who got their PhD before the advent of commonly accessible information technology.
>I have 2387 citations
>I made on index cards by hand
>ordered in the flow of the paper, one by one,
>meaning I cannot write it on the fly but must rather have the entire thing mapped out before I put finger to typewriter
Maybe that's why the all act vaguely shell-shocked.

>>17781601

I'd say for older professors, it's all very shocking.

I xeroxed the first eleven numbers of the Equinox, so the lodge and I could have a copy. I've a xerox of David's charred copy of the Secret Rituals. I spent many thousands of dollars assembling a decent occult library. Teh kidz today are living in a radically different world.

>>17781702
The problems of today are just as bad, starting with the paradox of choice. They problems they faced were worse in many ways, but it seems that now there are many more of them. So much information is available that it becomes a pain to make use of it or even know that it is freely available.

At least we can all agree that it beats using the method of locii to steal shit out of someone else's library and shit out into a journal.

>>17781474
>I doubt there is a general feeling. You'd have to be more specific.
Sorry for my weird question. I was tired and looking back on it I have no idea what it even meant. I was trying to ask if this thread had resources for specific religions to practice magick or if it was all from varying sources. Such religions I am referring to are wicca and hoodoo.

>>17781747
>So much information is available that it becomes a pain to make use of it or even know that it is freely available.

Absolutely. I look at the Ape's library and am sorta shell-shocked myself, despite diddling about with this stuff for much of a lifetime.

Consider Enochian magic. When I started, there was very little material and reading it all and sorting the sheep from goats was relatively easy. Now you can fill bookcases with the stuff. Finding out who has the truth of it probably got harder, not easier.

Crowley had a nice introductory curriculum, but it's a hundred years old and almost certainly in desperate want of revision.

>>17781799

Magic is related to religion and uses religious ideas and practices to achieve its goals. But religion, in the ordinary sense of practice and belief, is not necessary. For us, it's more a matter of expediency. Working with demons is easier in a Christian framework because that is the primary technology we inherited in the West.

>>17781891
I run into it with eastern religion where more is available in English than ever but most of it is the same thing reiterated and finding anything different is difficult. But then there's still a lack of primary sources for the juicy shit. At least there you can do whatever and claim terma.

A question to thelemites. Is stalinism the most authentic expression of the Law? The strongest survived, the slave served, they removed hundred of millions without giving a fuck, and conquered half Europe with the support of their enemies.
Thoughts?

>>17781988
>stalinism the most authentic expression of the Law
No, it's antithetical to Thelema.

>the slave served
This does not mean what you think it does. Remember, AC referred to his most competent pupils (and himself) as a "dedicated slave of the Order".

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Best way to learn scrying for enochian?

Had success with Rowe's 'magical mystery tour' technique, but that just produces random results. Never managed to get his astral black mirror technique working, or to work with an actual black mirror, though I had very limited success with eyelid scrying before

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>trying to read Chumbley while jetlagged

Jesus

He didn't even make an effort to make sense

>>17782431

http://hermetic.com/achad/crystal/crystal-vision.htm

>>17782431
wtf is eyelid scrying

>>17782622
Using the blackness when you close your eyes as a screen for scrying in the same way you'd use a black mirror

>>17782639
I already spontaneously get quick tunnelly visions sometimes when I close my eyes... sometimes they're a distorted version of my surroundings, sometimes an entirely normal but PIC UNRELATED scene. They're similar to dreams, in a sense, but not quite. It's like they took form in a plane that's closer than a handspan from my face. About the distance where a real object would be too close to properly focus.

Know any place/book where I can learn something about this eyelid scrying shit? Or just any other scrying shit that can be applied without using weird tools? I've never looked into scrying.

Bump?

>>17783221
insult me sempai!! X//O

>>17783221
Why do you follow the path that you do

>>17781474
When I was of school age here in Hueland, I never would be allowed anywhere near of an expensive Xerox(TM)(R) machine. I copied so many things with pencil on cheap paper. I wasted the early years of Internet reading manga "scanlations".

>>17783335
The trajectory of my karmic debt has deposited my into the dharma most fit for my being :^3

>>17783280
No.

>>17783382
How old, may I ask? Or if you were in a particularly disadvantaged district/province?

>>17783423
I'll be 40 in a couple of days. Population of my city was over a million even in the eighties, I just was poor. I'm still not rich, but now I can spend about $200 on books every month.

>>17783382
BR? BR? BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR?

>>17783423
Sempai didn't insult me this time *___* so nice

>>17783423
>The trajectory of my karmic debt has deposited my into the dharma most fit for my being :^3
I don't believe you

anyone have some info on shamanism?

>>17783451
>shrooms
>"die"
>become bear
>teach village about being bear

>>17783466
thanks

>>17783446
You got a better answer for what you do?

>>17783451
Shamanism folder in the mega.

>>17783472
>You got a better answer for what you do?
No.

But I do think that it's a unique time historically for practitioners. We have a wealth of possible techniques and systems to work. I believe it's uncontroversial to say that some techniques are systems are more effective. Also, of course, they have their relative constructive effects.

>>17783478
What do you mean with "relative constructive effects" ?

any love spells?

>>17783528
There's the notion that different techniques or systems might bring one to similar forms of consciousness, "awakening", "enlightenment", etc. Yet, from an ordinary point-of-view the techniques are training the nervous system in particular ways.

So, for example, doing a form of moving meditation like Tai Chi has different effects from staring at a candle flame or invoking deities, etc.

>>17783540
Beyond ordinary views, there is a certain codependence of certain practices. Shamatha and vipashyana need a foundation coming from getting shit out of your head and there are a collection of skills ranging from visualization, working compassion centers through generosity and emotional visualizations, cognitive behavioral techniques, asanas and such that go into making it happen. In themselves, they build upon each other.

I wouldn't limit the effects to the nervous system as it seems to me to be strengthening the relationship of the bodymind as well as the individual sides of it. The only thing I could say counter is that the meditations you list could be said to lead into the same 'flow state', if one were to be a reductionist pseudoscientist about it instead of just a goddamn mystic.

>>17783575
Even if you take just one of the forms of practice you listed there are ways of doing it that would have drastically different results if kept up for a long time. For example, shamatha on a candle produces results different from shamatha on the breath.

I tend to agree about the codependence. But, still, there's variation in the technique, order, time for each practice, view, etc.

Fair enough @ bodymind. Uselessly reductionist @ flow state.

>>17783592
I was saying beyond ordinary measures and more directly related to the context of practice so I agree. They work different things but they have a codependent relationship in increasing effectiveness. It's why I don't like practices that give you a single method to master before moving on and like things like mahamudra which throw almost everything at you from beginning to end and let you build them codependently.

With the bodymind thing, I was highlighting that it is often a mental faculty being worked that is related to different nervous states. Just as asanas work different mental states depending on the intent.

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>The seeker finds himself in recurrent dissatisfaction with phenomena both material and ephemeral. The Lamp goads him into action and repels him from action. It calls and curses him in the same breath. He is drawn, and subsequently quartered by phantasms. The Lamp is the moon and he is the sea, recoiling from the land it desires only to crash back into it in rhythmic pulsations. He feels the pulse of want and withdrawal. He intimately knows its name and form. He grows ancient within.

Hn.

new to /x/; I can ID most of the things in OP's pic but what are the spheres and pyramids? Are they used with the pendulums?

>>17778056
So i may have found a thread to bring back my interest in /x/
Im new at this magic deal so this could be helpful.
I'm going to bed so if any if you are interested in contacting me kik: tillerific420

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>>17778056

For anyone in doubt, this library is fantastic, and I've barely scratched the surface. It's a fantastic mix of practical, historical, psychological and philosophical material. I already had some knowledge of chaos magic/sigils, so I started there and have been working my way around. Starting to meditate daily, and I'm even planning on getting my own Tarot deck.

I promise I won't start any shitty divination threads though.

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>>17783987
Oh, and did I say it's fantastic? It's fantastic.

I'm new to magick (Like 2 or 3 days kind of new)
Where/how do I get started?

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>>17778056
Do any of these books teach how to summon a succubus?

>>17784589
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz-KmaKZn5rlb0pjR2k4T2o2YWc/edit?pref=2&pli=1

Guys you know about symbology and such, can you help me to understand why they used all this symbology to celebrate just a fucking tunnel?
https://youtu.be/32QmyfMhxOg

>>17784840
Can you explain to me, exactly, what's wrong/satanic about that performance?

God forbid you folks ever go to an interpretive dance recital, you'll get so spooked you'll remember there's a skeleton in you.

>>17784589
Literacy is your friend, first updated file in the European folder.

>>17784543
What are you interested in.

>>17783837
I have no kik.

>>17783382

I was 25, at the time, but, yes, I appreciate that even having access to a photocopier was lucky.

Glad life's improved, for you.

>>17783987
>I promise I won't start any shitty divination threads though.

Bless you, Anon!

>>17784543
>Where/how do I get started?

There is a beginners folder in the mega, linked up top.

Prometheus Rising, by Robert Anton Wilson, while not about magic as such, is decent entry point for the weird sciences.

>>17784912
Thats just the title of the video, I dont think is satanic but obviously they are using hard symbolism. I just looked for a short version.
Here is the long version
https://youtu.be/I4NU0Tok1T4
The first one: 1:58:00
The second ceremony: 5:58:00

Tell me this is just a dance recital.

>>17784981
>Tell me this is just a dance recital
But it is. You'd know this if you were remotely familiar with the trajectories of esoterica and occult practice.

Not everything that looks odd is a spoopy ritual.

What is a good book for somone who is not interested in learning magick but want to read about it. Something with anecdotes that its fun to read.

I am interested more for curiosity on the subject than for actual interest in learning.

>>17784992

I'm tempted to recommend, The Confessions of Aleister Crowley. It's his autobiography and fairly entertaining, as I recall. What magical discussion creeps into it is mostly anecdotal.

>>17785002

Ill give it a look, thanks. Actually sounds like a great recommendation.

>>17785007

I read it again, a few years ago, and thought it was pretty good.

You might enjoy, "The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz", too. You can download it here:

http://www.biroco.com/kaos/kaos14.html

It's a bit more contemporary than Crowley.

Very brief comments on the IA material if GD will be lurking:

>The Charms for the Vessel (#4) reference Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster
>The Vagitus of IA (as well as Lustration) touch on Aeonics
>In the RA practices, Empowerment 0 references Spandakarika.

>>17785030

Alright, thanks again. Ill download it in my phone and read it later (probably tonight) since i already started with Crowley's.

Again thanks based anon.

>>17778056
welcome back. Do you have a recommended commentary on "going forth by day"?

>>17778056
this may be a stupid question but do these books provide simply information on the occult or a guide on how to practice the occult?

>>17778888
>GET!

where could find some love spells?

>>17785030
>BLoSC
Where is Satyr these days? He used to be a regular here

>>17785081
About what we expected, I guess. Virtually everything in a 2000-mile radius of Tehran is covered somewhere in book.

Looking into Azoetia a bit more now. Struck me that there are probably lacunae like in DBoE, but there's a bit more written about it at least

>>17785827
>Satyr
Sigma.

>>17785859
Ah

Greek isn't my strong point

>>17785030
Cunt

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>>17785081
>>17785030
>>17779526

What are your thoughts on Regardie's Completed Opening by Watchtower ceremony for self-initiation?
How about as a preliminary invocation to general enochian ceremonial work/scrying the aethyrs?

The ritual can be found here,

http://www.oldways.org/documents/ceremonial/regardie/regardie_ceremonial_magic.pdf

Pg.29 in the browser reader, pg.35 in the document.

"One student whom I am thinking of at this juncture has performed the whole Opening by Watchtower ceremonies some 50 or 60 times. It is therefore my opinion that she has initiated herself as effectively and as positively as any
temple initiatory hierophantic team could possibly do. All the important "command" symbols of elemental significance are altogether imbedded in her aura or energy field so that should she visit their sphere of activity, via skrying in the spirit vision, they would not regard her as an enemy alien invading their hallowed circle. Instead, she would be regarded as friendly and as a divine helper because she carries, as it were, the only correct and valid passport recognized by them as an official password." (From Regadie's Completed Golden Dawn)

>>17785932
Haven't used it for the latter, but I'd be skeptical of any efforts to self-initiate to GD using GD methods, it really just doesn't lend itself to solo work. That having been said, Pyramidos appears to work, so it's not an outlandish idea. Guess try it for yourself and see what happens.

Also worth bearing in mind that Regardie's reputation as some kind of GD guru is a bit unjustified, he was essentially just the first to publish a large amount of (shitty versions of) GD stuff, rather than a particularly innovative practitioner. Not that he's bad, just that a pinch of salt is required with him.

>>17785959
Regardie was far more interested in making sense of what already was, instead of just tossing another tome plucked from the eather on top of the dumpster fire.

Hiw much of this is judaic based and how much is pagan?

>>17786070
He probably shouldn't have removed so many diagrams, then.

And possibly used Whare Ra texts instead of the ones that made it into the black brick

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>>17784840

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Kek

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>>17785030
>The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz

>>17785959
>but I'd be skeptical of any efforts to self-initiate to GD using GD methods, it really just doesn't lend itself to solo work.

I agree, as the GD methods require groups of people. The ritual looks very nice, though.

>he was essentially just the first to publish a large amount of (shitty versions of) GD stuff

He's still great introductory material for the determined student. As what zorak noted,
>>17786070
>>17786088
>He probably shouldn't have removed so many diagrams, then

I've seen that you were apart of a legitimate GD group. Can you tell me if these removed diagrams or better papers are available online? In K's library? I don't wish for you to break any oaths you made with your previous order here... Anything you can tell me I would appreciate greatly.

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>>17784992

This isn't a bad read. Lachman is the former guitarist for the band Blondie.

>>17781388
>>those entries under European

The "European" folder is pretty pathetic, desu.

Maybe some day I'll make my own mega library with what I've found to be the best and most useful magical (with as little "religious" adulteration as possible) books from a heathen/pagan angle. But then Ape would just appropriate them for his own self-promotional efforts anyway, so I have very little incentive right now.

>>17786328
>bashing Ape

There are some heathen book archive torrents available through the obvious torrent sites that Ape should totally slap into the library.

>>17786339
>bashing Ape

Isn't it hard to type with his dick in your mouth? Take it out before posting next time.

>>17786220
If you're looking for papers, Zalewski is always great.

Can't remember off the top of my head if the originals are included in his stuff, but the Crowley scans in the library certainly have some of them.

As for diagrams, honestly can't remember off the top of my head, check Zalewski. Most of the GD rites take the form of 'come over here and look at this while I talk about it', so if there's a section where they're talking about a diagram you don't have, obviously it's missing

>>17785881

Pretty much.

>>17785932

The long answer is beyond a simple comment. The short answer is, yes, this is as good an entry point as any, and valuable in its own right. But at a minimum, you have to make an effort to understand the how and why of it.

More perhaps when I've a keyboard.

>>17786448
Which brings on the question: are some people naturally aligned with Enochian entities?

If you've read my visions in the Aethyrs, more often than not things were indeed aligned to my benefit in these interactions, and I've had a reasonably pleasant time up to the last one (19th, I believe, or so). Then I kind of dropped the work with the Aethyrs for a while, getting into neurosci/hypnosis/psychology and stuff and I am considering getting back to the Aethyrs.

I don't hear the calling back yet, but I have a passing sense of it coming.

>>17786516

Yes, I think some people are simply a part of it. I don't really pursue it, yet I've never escaped it. As soon as I encountered Enochian, I knew. Honestly try not to dwell on it.

Holy shit I haven't been in this general for like a year. How's it going?

What you guys think about Aurobindo?

What in the library would help me if I'm looking to dive into tarot cards and rituals?

>>17786643

The Book of Thoth, for tarot. Ritual work is a pretty big subject. Magick in Theory and Practice, perhaps, especially the appendixes, Liber O, in particular.

>>17786643
>tarot cards and rituals
I liked Donald Tyson's "Portable Magic" and had really fast (and funny) results with it

Also Ken Wilber (pre color memes) is so underrated, even considering he's more of a sincretizer than a creator

Assuming I want to work the DBoE, where the fuck do I get all this shit made out of bones? I just don't have the time to go grave digging or the money to obtain the ossia of criminals.

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An Introduction to Parapsychology, 5th Edition (2007)
By Harvey J. Irwin & Caroline A. Watt

https://a.pomf.cat/mrhzzk.pdf

This is a thoroughly updated and revised edition of our highly acclaimed university textbook on the science of parapsychology. The objective of this book is to provide an introductory survey of parapsychologists' efforts to explore the authenticity and bases of anomalous, apparently paranormal phenomena. It outlines the origins of parapsychological research and critically reviews investigations of extrasensory perception, psychokinesis, poltergeist phenomena, near-death and out-of-body experiences, and the evaluation of parapsychology as a scientific enterprise.

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I'm a bit wary of posting this book, you guys might not get the point. This is a book well within scientific ortodoxy, on werewolves. You are getting it for the cases listed on it, not for the analysis, OK? Please don't bully.
There is a lot of information on this book that is hard to find in other places. Now that the disclaimer is out of the way, here it goes:

A Lycanthropy Reader: Werewolves in Western Culture
Edited by Charlotte F. Otten

https://a.pomf.cat/oqrztt.pdf

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>>17778888
rad quads

>>17786355
>If you're looking for papers, Zalewski is always great.

Thank-you!

>the Crowley scans in the library certainly have some of them.
>Most of the GD rites take the form of 'come over here and look at this while I talk about it', so if there's a section where they're talking about a diagram you don't have, obviously it's missing

I think I've seen some in the Equinox... As long as most of these teachings are out there, I am happy. I'm interested in following the GD/AA through solo work, until I have the experience to find a decent teacher.

>>17786448
>The long answer is beyond a simple comment. The short answer is, yes, this is as good an entry point as any, and valuable in its own right. But at a minimum, you have to make an effort to understand the how and why of it.
More perhaps when I've a keyboard.

Ah, bad timing on my end. I'd love to hear more whenever the chance arises. The Watchtower ceremony seems like an excellent consecration to prepare the student for safely working with the aethyrs.

>>17787164
>>17786905
danke-shan

>>17785689

Both.

>>17785932
>>17787280

Ceremonial Magic, is a great introduction to the subject. In order to make sense of what he's doing, you need to compare his ritual to the Golden Dawn initiation rituals, principally the elemental grades and the portal rite. For that you'll need a copy of Regardie's, The Golden Dawn.

I use a revised version of his Watchtower ritual that I developed myself. Once you have a firm grasp of the mechanics of ceremonial like this, you will probably revise the ritual to your liking as well.

He's probably right about this being an adequate substitute for GD initiation. You're doing pretty much the same thing they did, only in one go instead of five. When you've compared his Watchtower ritual to the initiations, you will see this.

>How about as a preliminary invocation to general enochian ceremonial work/scrying the aethyrs?

It depends. It depends upon the aethyr, your goals, probably lots of factors. I probably would not erect Watchtowers before opening an aethyr, unless I wanted something big and heavy to anchor to. If I were taking an elemental approach to the aethyr, I would certainly throw up the Watchtower or Watchtowers associated with that particular aethyr. If I were taking a planetary/zodiacal approach, I may or may not. It's complicated and the specifics are more likely to add to the confusion.

Personally, I should suggest that the Watchtowers and elemental keys offer enough opportunity for scrying, and learning the mechanics of ritual. Scrying the aethyrs is obviously a worthy goal, but you will get so much more out of it by working toward somewhat less ambitious goals for the time being. For example, my wife and I began with the first six Enochian keys and scryed those first.

Now for the silly part: it's best if you approach Enochian with a certain degree of humility and even piety. The prayer of Enoch, three times a day for fifty days, is a good start. Don't just assume that these critters have to work with you.

>>17788162
Wait, people still fall for the "Enochian" meme?
Topkek

>>17788291
haha great post dude here's your (((You)))

>>17786862
Deal with it.

RE the Ra practices theres more Vajrayana than i expected even dropping the phrase "for the good of all sentient beings" multiple times. Guess Chumbley equates the K&C of the HGA with Buddhacitta.

>>17788400
Most of it is straight tantra from the bone trumpet to the visualizations. I mean the whole thing is reifying yourself as a deity. In Azöetia, the invocation of I has a very shaivist line about Sunlight through the Prism of Mind.

But, just as in tantra, the physical component is often just as important.

>>17788409
Previous rites had me anticipating Kaula. This modified Chod threw me for a loop. Chumbley even went so far as to rewrite Tulstrim's Reply.

This just means I get make my own rewite of Para Puja.

I've been asking numerous times here, if anyone knew a love spell but it always gets ignored :/

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Been looking over Samael Aun Weor's teachings for awhile now....

was he a legit master?

Ive found its hard to have an actual discussion about this dude on the internet without it being extremely biased.

Your input is appreciated /x/

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>>17778056
Not sure who is in charge of this folder or if anyone can add something, but I think the Sound of Rushing Water by Michael Harner would be a good addition to the academic or shamanism sections.

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_writings3.shtml

It's about the magic and rituals among the Jivaro peoples in South America (they're the ones who shrink heads). It's definitely very strange, involving hallucinogenic substances and some sort of weird gastronomy with magical vomit. One of the most bizarre things that I've ever had to read in my anthropology courses.

You guys seem knowledgeable, might as well ask.
Been a long long time since I browsed, got some black magic / shamanism shit while it still was on tpb, is that torrent accessible somewhere in mega format now? Didn't have the time to work through all of it, would love to find it again. It had some books on rune magic as well.

>>17788846
Gee I wonder why.

>>17788846
I know a spell to summon the old pagan god of love and desire

https://www.okcupid.com/

Hello. I have two inquires that may be related as they both involve communication. Is there any to use the occult or is there some form of magick that will help.

I would like to be able to communicate with people who speak another language.

I would also like to communicate with animals (specifically right now my dog, but I'm planning on having a farm, so this would be extremely useful).

Any information would be appreciated, even information that would be negative.

Thank you.

>>17789248
The only animal you will be able to speak with is the animal inside yourself.

>>17789258
>The only animal you will be able to speak with is the animal inside yourself.
How can I do this, but not with English (my native language)?

>>17789268

three simple words to yourself, directed towards your heart center. "I love you". This way we transmute the beast spirit within ourselves. Its like in the end of the beauty and the beast. In the end the beast gets a big hug and mind and spirit are united. While the guy trying to kill the beast is plummeted into the abyss. Disney movies have all the deepest archetypal symbolism really

>>17786862
I've heard on the grapevine that CS quite literally go and do that

But there are other ways of getting bones, like medical supply stores.

Bear in mind DBoE has a ridiculous amount of paraphenalia, which can be a pain to get hold of- it's important that you're cool with that before beginning.

Also need to have a spot where you can burn shit outside, undisturbed. That's quite important.

Reading my first Crowley book while all of the sudden

> A man who is strong enough to use women as slaves and playthings is all right. Even
so, there is always a danger, though it is difficult to avoid it.

>the most dominant mood of woman will always be motherhood. Nature itself, therefore, insures that a man who relies on a woman to help him is
bucking the tiger. At any moment, without warning, her interest in him may be swept off its feet and become secondary. Worse --- she will expect her man to abandon the whole interest of his life in order to look after her new toy. A bitch does not lose all her interest in her master just because she has puppies.


I still endured when he was a child and killed a cat just to see if it had 9 lives, but this guy is ridiculous.

He criticizes logic in one chapter but uses the same logic as an argument to justify the most morbid aspects of himself.

He was the epitome of fedora tipping and 2edgy4you memes.

>>17789803
wew lad

>>17789803
If acknowledging the difference between the sexes and their roles triggers you, why don't you go back to Tumblr? I'm sure someone's invented a cute little gender-neutral religion you can follow.

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>>17789858

It's not having a point of view on what the woman's supposed role is, not only it were different times when he wrote that but that is his opinion I don't care.

The hypocrisy on his messages and how he bloats of him self is what trigger the fuck out of me. Sure the guy was no stupid, and he seems really convicted to reach his goals, but he does this in a way of selfdelusion and deceit.

Anyways I am still enjoying the book, but I can't but laught at the people on this thread that think of him as a role model.

>>17789968
>people on this thread that think of him as a role model

I can't think of any in here. Could you point out who that would be?

I bought Jason Millers 'The Sorcerers Secrets' because i'm looking to get into magick.

Has anyone else more experienced read it than can give me their thoughts? Just wanna know if his views are accurate.

>>17788162
>I use a revised version of his Watchtower ritual that I developed myself. Once you have a firm grasp of the mechanics of ceremonial like this, you will probably revise the ritual to your liking as well.

This is what I love about this ritual- Regardie left plenty of room to modify it to the student's needs.

>He's probably right about this being an adequate substitute for GD initiation. You're doing pretty much the same thing they did, only in one go instead of five.

Even with meditation upon the symbols and understanding the mechanics, I'm not sure if this can replace a legitimate GD temple initiation (assuming that the practitioners are competent). This still looks absolutely fantastic for someone that wants to have something to work with before they find a teacher.

> It's complicated and the specifics are more likely to add to the confusion.

I read somewhere in Magic in Theory or Without Tears (I forget which) that the Aethyrs can be used for self-initiation. I would like to become acquainted with the sephoratic spheres and paths before taking an Enochian approach. Sort of like what Surgo was doing with his visions.

>Personally, I should suggest that the Watchtowers and elemental keys offer enough opportunity for scrying, and learning the mechanics of ritual
> my wife and I began with the first six Enochian keys and scryed those first.

Thank-you, I'll write this down.

>Now for the silly part: it's best if you approach Enochian with a certain degree of humility and even piety.

Not silly at all; this is exactly how one should approach such Entities.

>The prayer of Enoch, three times a day for fifty days, is a good start.

Is this by any chance the prayer you are referring to?

http://flameating.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-prayer-of-enoch.html

Before I undertake any sort Enochian practice (such as beginning with the six Enochian keys), should I take the 50 days to recite this prayer? It looks lovely.

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>>17789968
>projecting all your insecurities on a Chinese cartoon picture forum

>>17789803
“Every man and every woman is a star.”
–The Book of the Law I:3

“We of Thelema say that “Every man and every woman is a star.” We do not fool and flatter women; we do not despise and abuse them. To us a woman is Herself, absolute, original, independent, free, self-justified, exactly as a man is.
We dare not thwart Her Going, Goddess she! We arrogate no right upon Her will; we claim not to deflect Her development, to dispose of Her desires, or to determine Her destiny. She is Her own sole arbitar; we ask no more than to supply our strength to Her, whose natural weakness else were prey to the world’s pressure. Nay more, it were too zealous even to guard Her in Her Going; for She were best by Her own self-reliance to win Her own way forth!
We do not want Her as a slave; we want Her free and royal, whether Her love fight death in our arms by night, or Her loyalty ride by day beside us in the Charge of the Battle of Life.”
-The Commentary to The Book of the Law, III:55

“Chapter III of The Book of the Law, verse xi, reads: ‘Let the woman be girt with a sword before me.’ This woman represents Venus as she now is in this new aeon; no longer the mere vehicle of her male counterpart, but armed and militant.”
–The Book of Thoth

“The New Aeon will have a foundation of Happy Women: A Woman under Tabu is loathsome to Life, detested by her fellows, and wretched in herself.”
-The Commentary to The Book of the Law, II:54

>>17790402
“The Book of the Law is the Charter of Woman; the Word Thelema has opened the lock of Her “girdle of chastity.” Your Sphinx of stone has come to life; to know, to will, to dare and to keep silence.
Yes, I, The Beast, my Scarlet Whore bestriding me, naked and crowned, drunk on Her golden Cup of Fornication, boasting Herself my bedfellow, have trodden Her in the Market place, and roared this Word that every woman is a star. And with that Word is uttered Woman’s Freedom.”
-The Commentary to The Book of the Law, III:55

“The essence of my Word is to declare woman to be Herself, of, to, and for Herself; and I give this one irresistible Weapon, the expression of Herself and Her will through sex, to Her on precisely the same terms as to man… The best women have always been sexually-free, like the best men; it is only necessary to remove the penalties for being found out.”
-The Commentary to The Book of the Law, III:55

“There is a veil: that veil is black. It is the veil of the modest woman; it is the veil of sorrow, & the pall of death: this is none of me. Tear down that lying spectre of the centuries: veil not your vices in virtuous words: these vices are my service; ye do well, & I will reward you here and hereafter.”
–The Book of the Law, II:52

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>>17790402
>>17790412

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>>17790526

I want to get started in chaos? What do? What do?

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>>17790574
>read Chaos folder
>???
>sigils

>>17790576
Is there anything beyond sigils? I already do those and haven't gotten any to work.

>>17790586
Tons but almost nobody actually works at contacting augoeides, even though Carroll and Hine tell you it's the fucking point of the system.

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>>17790586
>haven't gotten any to work

Haha

Have you tried concentrating them with moons blood?

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>>17790613
>Um, how is a virgin supposed to find menstrual blood...unless they're a woman or something.

>>17790633
not as hard as one might think.

I mean if it has to be YOUR menstrual blood, that could be a problem if you lack a vagina, but just any menstrual blood, not that hard, how strong is your stomach?

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>>17790633
like you've never gone dumpster diving for used tampons. Everyone has at some point, need to get the materials somehow.

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>>17790655
I'm not an Aghori over here, I have principles :^3

>>17790646
You too?

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>>17790671
fakking casuals

>>17790671
Time to make a cult then Ape

>>17790633
Well, I'm female, so availability isn't a problem for me.

Being fucking grossed the fuck out, however, is an issue.

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>>17790724
Was joking grill, a comment on the general effectiveness of sigils and chaos, by comparing it crudely pagan reconstructionism for 13 year old goths.
Am guessing you are trying to manifest something into your life, and in my shitposting opinion, magic is usually terrible for that.

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>>17790292
>Even with meditation upon the symbols and understanding the mechanics, I'm not sure if this can replace a legitimate GD temple initiation (assuming that the practitioners are competent). This still looks absolutely fantastic for someone that wants to have something to work with before they find a teacher.
But it IS GD Temple Initiation. The entire system was constructed around the Watchtowers and the long term effects on your ""aura"" (Akh, in this case, likely) are going to wind up being identical, and IMHO probably stronger than what's offered in most modern GD temples.

>>17790292
>I read somewhere in Magic in Theory or Without Tears (I forget which) that the Aethyrs can be used for self-initiation. I would like to become acquainted with the sephoratic spheres and paths before taking an Enochian approach. Sort of like what Surgo was doing with his visions.
30 Aethyrs that means 3 aethyrs per Sefira.

Here are a few of AC's scribbles, unfortunately the relevant materials are under lock and key in Austin or I'd post 'em.

>Should I
Yes; 50 is symbolic toward aspiration (Swift-Gates of Binah), but you could also do 40 days and nights for the flood.

>>17790724
you should start providing your moons blood to the other sorcerers so they dont have to go dumpster diving.

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it's all demonic so you go in with the armor of god to fight the goat. don't exclude one from the other. as above so below.

>>17790591
>Tons but almost nobody actually works at contacting augoeides, even though Carroll and Hine tell you it's the fucking point of the system.

Where do they say so, sempai?

Or am I dense enough to have read it and not notice?

I've read Spare, too :\

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>trying to read GD material and derivatives
Fuck it I'm going western zen and calling it a day. I'd honestly rather stare at a wall.

>>17790797
I've got three main objectives:

- get my ex back
- get a new job
- start defaulting to developing hobbies and interests rather than shitposting and playing video games

>>17791157
K

>>17791038
Liber Null/Psychonaut
Liber Kaos
...
Y'know, the core texts of the entire fucking system?

>>17791027
Fuck off Alex Jones.

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>>17791157
It doesn't make sense until you've been there, and it's hard to get there without understanding. It's a shitty catch 22 that most people avoid by either getting initiated or playing with pop culture magic until something bites them, if it ever does. Zen without zen masters is a fun read, so is the illuminatus trilogy.

>>17791165
>ex
Why keep making the same mistakes?
>job
you don't need magic for that, you just need to lie on your resume
>hobbies
whats stopping you?

>>17791169
>>17791169
>Y'know, the core texts of the entire fucking system?

Yes, I read all that shit... so I guess I had already answered myself in the previous post - dense enough.

Still I read Spare some 9 years ago, but haven't re-read him when I read Carroll and Hine again in more depth recently, so maybe I just wasn't paying attention to that.

>>17791165
> get my ex back

Naaahhhh don't. Just find someone else. Or you know, don't.

>>17791259
>something bites them

Give an example even if hypothetical

>>17791344
If I were to tell you to get angry, I think you could manage it. You could think about politics or inequity or that one guy at work you really hate and make yourself mad in no time. If I were to tell you to get sad, you could think about you long passed nan, or mistakes you've made in life, or a tree grows in brooklyn. Happy, horny, excited, calm, all these things I think you could manage without even standing up from your computer.

But if I told you to get spiritual what would you do? Mutter some overly vague platitudes and wave your hand around? Burn some candles and hum? By something biting you, I mean having some experience of the spiritual side of nature so you at least no what to aim for in your works.

I wouldn't mind a reply >>17781211

If my goal is to say become Super Saiyan Vegeta how viable is that?

Serious question, I really like Vegeta

>>17791383
>spiritual

I would say instead, profoundly meaningful.

>>17791383
The only quick way would be some drugs, to get the unity sense from the spiritual level, but I would not recommend that because of the risk of addiction and diminishing returns with new doses.

>>17791917
Is chocolate good Anon? Broccoli?
There's only one way to know, and you are doing it wrong.

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If anyone wants this book, here it is.
http://www51.zippyshare.com/v/jBhV2v8e/file.html

>>17791259
- I don't think it would be a mistake. We were together for nearly a decade and the relationship didn't survive an unusually brutal time that's unlikely to repeat but that I would be better prepared for if it did. We broke up 18 months ago so wanting to get back together is a result of reflection, not pure emotion. Sorry if I'm defensive.

- hasn't worked so far

- depression, I tend to default to the easiest thing to do

What do you use magic for if not things like this?

>>17792570
>depression
see a psychiatrist
>inb4 hur durr drugs are bad it's just in your head

>>17790292
>Even with meditation upon the symbols and understanding the mechanics, I'm not sure if this can replace a legitimate GD temple initiation (assuming that the practitioners are competent).

Assumes facts not obviously in evidence, to be honest.

>I read somewhere in Magic in Theory or Without Tears (I forget which) that the Aethyrs can be used for self-initiation.

This is correct.

>I would like to become acquainted with the sephoratic spheres and paths before taking an Enochian approach.

And this seems wise.

>Is this by any chance the prayer you are referring to?

That's the one.

If you can wait 50 days, without chafing too terribly, it might be a good place to start.

>>17790870
>But it IS GD Temple Initiation. The entire system was constructed around the Watchtowers and the long term effects on your ""aura"" (Akh, in this case, likely) are going to wind up being identical, and IMHO probably stronger than what's offered in most modern GD temples.

Yep.

>>17791157
>Fuck it I'm going western zen and calling it a day.

Pretty much what I did. Got tired of digging through mountains of horse shit hoping there really was a pony down there, somewhere.

Didn't work.

>>17791383

Well said.

Now the /his/ jani's just deleting the threads with no ban request.

Guess the board's exclusively for the following topics:
>Orthodoxy is the only non cukc'd Christian Doctrine.
>WE WUZ!
>HRE!
>God don't real, which trilby is more positivist?
>[White Nationalist] did nothing wrong!
>Philosophy is retarded prove me wrong brotip u can't.

>>17792570
Concentrate on improving yourself - see a psychiatrist, figure out your weakness and disorders that caused your life fuck ups, use sigils as help with dealing with them, meditate, start practicing yoga or tai chi, do some banishing ritual daily. Voila.

>>17792647

I saw that. It was a good thread, too.

Maybe they're just assholes?

>>17792652
>psychiatrist
Neg'd. Psychotherapy first. Psychiatry is only useful in cases where the person's rational thinking is heavily, heavily impaired, and even then only as a palliative for proper therapy to take place.

Also instead of ritual/ magic, I would recommend self-hypnosis. Less supernatural assumptions which might cause undesirable results/ thoughts/ behaviors, and there's actual evidence and research showing that it does in fact work.

Here's some resources:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwLJ8mj-ZuoGc0NKUEtoLTBmQXc&usp=sharing

>>17792659
>Maybe they're just assholes?
I get the impression the site administration wants all non-normative/esoteric material confined to /x/, which I don't exactly disagree with, but then they should REALLY yank out the "religion" clause in the /his/ sticky, because thus far the only religious discussion allowed appears to be monotheism and exoteric Eastern religion.

My other guess is that the old/new jani is some smug fucking history major that thinks anything he didn't learn about from Professor Fuckmouth doesn't belong.

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>>17790655

That is human flesh binding that.

>>17792662
>Psychiatry is only useful in cases where the person's rational thinking is heavily, heavily impaired, and even then only as a palliative for proper therapy to take place.

I wouldn't recommend that. You probably stand a better chance of getting quality help from a psychiatrist than a psychotherapist.

>>17792665
>My other guess is that the old/new jani is some smug fucking history major that thinks anything he didn't learn about from Professor Fuckmouth doesn't belong.

Perhaps a bit more likely, with containment used as a convenient excuse. Then again, I have difficulty thinking the best of people, some days.

>>17792707
>You probably stand a better chance of getting quality help from a psychiatrist than a psychotherapist.

I would say both options are shit, but the psychotherapist has a much lower chance of messing you up to the point of death or serious physical injury. On the other hand, a psychiatrist is quite liable to simply prescribe medication and "see what happens".

>>17792714
>On the other hand, a psychiatrist is quite liable to simply prescribe medication and "see what happens".

Not in the US. The therapist will just get a psychiatrist to write the prescription and dump you as soon it seems to be working. Insurance won't pay for more than that.

>>17792721
>Not in the US. The therapist will just get a psychiatrist to write the prescription and dump you as soon it seems to be working. Insurance won't pay for more than that.

Well, I do have it on good authority that insurance does cover the majority of established hypnotherapy modalities (Kein, Hunter, Eslinger). Can't see this not being the case for more mainstream approaches such as CBT or psychoanalysis.

>>17792714
>I would say both options are shit, but the psychotherapist has a much lower chance of messing you up to the point of death or serious physical injury. On the other hand, a psychiatrist is quite liable to simply prescribe medication and "see what happens".
Wait, aren't you from poland? I am, and if I remember correctly you first go to psychiatrist, then he gives referral to therapist. This way you don't pay anything, have your drugs, and have therapy.

>>17792582
>Adding a "hurrdurr" before a fact is now an argument.

>>17778056

hi do you guys take requests?

looking for a copy of: Seth, God of Confusion: A Study of His Role in Egyptian Mythology and Religion by H. Te Velde

people want crazy money for this for some reason

if anyone has a copy and is willing to scan I will contribute by scanning some other stuff I have you may need.

thanks!

>>17792810
>Seth, God of Confusion: A Study of His Role in Egyptian Mythology and Religion by H. Te Velde
In the Left Hand Path folder, mate, probably under Temple of Set.

I've a physical copy in my bookshelf too.

>>17792859
>>17792810
Direct link if you're not interested in hunting for it:
https://mega.nz/#!4ERzTShL!ZVPm5y1cC0WIKuMJJtE8xR4LUz17_qwK_yxRfjs0G6U


It's crazy expensive because it's a single edition translation of a single edition academic paper that was not intended for the mass market.

The IRL edition is also INCREDIBLY fragile and flimsy; the text wasn't produced well so some pages have yet to be cut apart and you need to carefully slice them open to be useful. I'm rather lucky, my copy has been put into a permanent library binding so it ain't going anywhere. Depending on the buyer and what they're looking for I should be able to sell it well above the prices that you're seeing given how much more sturdy it is, though library bindings can swing both ways in increase and decrease of value - all depends on the buyer.

>>17792859

dangit, maybe it was added since I last refreshed, thought I had searched the maga and came up empty handed.

many thanks!

>>17792864
so is this book worth the 3-600 people ask for it in your opinion?

>>17792652
I am trying. I'm learning programming, guitar, and singing and trying to be more social. I recently joined a d&d group and a coding study group.

I could still use a boost.

I've had bad experiences with psychologists and medicine before so I'd rather try other options first.

Thanks for the help.

>>17792867
Yes, it's the only serious academic analysis of the ancient Setian cult and the various little godform attached thereto, like Nubti, who is Horus and Set combined as one, who only had a single priest out in a cliff near Philæ, iirc, but it's been some years since I thumbed through it.

Also, no, it's been in my library for years, next time try searching keywords rather than complete titles.

>>17792647
>>17792665

By this argument, religion atheism threads in /x/ should be deleted. Some sort of global vision would sure come in handy at 4chan.

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>>17792954
>Some sort of global vision would sure come in handy at 4chan.

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>>17792954
A global vision would render the containment boards moot.

>>17779917
Welp, I just imported the whole thing to my MEGA folder and now I'm syncing.

>>17792995

I meant globally within the world of 4chan.

>>17791383
>But if I told you to get spiritual what would you do?

Well... I'd need... at least one of the following:

-Getting to a vantage geographical point, or at least a rooftop
-Intensely focusing on, or facing, some unconditional feeling
-Relinquishing to a freely chosen purpose
-Someone's need for it (for me getting spiritual)
-Go out with little to no plans and just roll with whatever comes up
-A sudden realization of self-understanding
-The right combination of atmospherical conditions (end of summer where I live always does it for me)
-Contemplating certain landscapes
-Getting down a metaphorical rabbit hole

Those are the things that do it for me. Only the 2nd, 3rd and 5th are "available at any time" like the other examples for angry or sad that you listed, and still require more effort.

>>17793447
You don't breathe?

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>>17790870
>The entire system was constructed around the Watchtowers and the long term effects on your ""aura"" (Akh, in this case, likely)
>Akh

Is this Akh the "Body of Light" Crowley is referring to in Magic in Theory in Practice, CH. XVIII?

> IMHO probably stronger than what's offered in most modern GD temples.
> modern GD temples.

Yep. I'm not a fan of the modern GD, pic. related (especially the GD blog, jesus). There was a brutal video on youtube with the HOGD, but it was taken down unfortunately.

>Here are a few of AC's scribbles, unfortunately the relevant materials are under lock and key in Austin or I'd post 'em.

Ah, that's a shame. Hopefully these relevant materials will be accessible in the near future.

>Yes; 50 is symbolic toward aspiration (Swift-Gates of Binah), but you could also do 40 days and nights for the flood.

Neat, good suggestions. I'll write this down, too.
>>17792626
>That's the one. If you can wait 50 days, without chafing too terribly, it might be a good place to start.

Thank-you.

>>17792398
semantics are always an issue
>>17792416
agreed, not a fan of the drugs
>>17792640
ty
>>17793447
sounds pretty complex. you could also check out the beginners folder in the op link.
>>17792546
danke
>>17792570
see surgo's post about self hypnosis. The self help/self programing part of it certainly exists but for the most part these days other methods have passed it by in terms of effectiveness. For me, I mostly use magic to attain altered states of mind, and I find the whole topic fascinating.
>>17792647
you could always shoot a message to the admin and ask for a rules clarification
>>17792688
Ia Ia Furb Niggaroth!

>>17792647
So, if the library threads start getting nuked from /x/, what is the backup location?

>>17792640
It's not that I don't think it works, it's that everything in me is screaming bullshit and don't give a fuck to all the arbitrary information being delivered over thousands of pages. I've had more results with buddhist tantra and dzogchen anyway so it's for the best. My desire for intellectual masturbation has long been quenched and I just don't need the needless complications. I can feel superior with simplicity. :^

>>17792652
>see a psychiatrist

it seemed to me this was just a political mechanism of control set up by a con man named Edward Bernays

probably best to avoid this field entirely.

>>17793922
Like all things drug related, it has its positives, but like with spiritual practice it's for when therapy isn't an option. Throw in pharma reps and the majority of med students being sociopaths and you have what you have.

>>17793675
Unless I'm underwater, yes I do. But not in a fancy way.
Do you poop?

>>17793815
I just answered what's "spiritual" for me. It's certainly a word I don't use regularly.

I'll look into the beginners folder, alright.

Wizard antics usually fall under "relinquishing to a freely chosen purpose", "someone else needing it" and "metaphorical rabbit hole"

>>17792418
Except if I don't like chocolate I'll easily find someone who does. Magic books, not so much.

>>17795335
I would like to join something like this.

The thought of sex while being surrounded by freaks and the enlightened performing rituals is arousing

>>17788898

Stuff of gold in some of his books, but most of it just screams "personality cult". Hard.

All in all, he is the classic New Ager. His doctrines are so eclectic, it really goes straight into obscenity at some point. Pic very related.

Even his commentators and epigons can't escape this, Gnosis of Kali Yuga starts off bretty good as a sort of Gnostic Tantra manual, but towards the latter third it just goes off into a strom cloud of very loosely connected doctrines from all over and buzzword overload.

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>>17791157
>>17792640

>It's the "we got tired of esoteric technobabble and started gravitating towards Zen" episode

Me three. My Kapleau and Shunryu Suzuki books are on their way. It's not like i was reading much outside of the Eastern folder for some time anyway.

This old rascal got us all in the end, eh?

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What are the prerequisites for working Enochian material?

It's one that people always warn about, but not for any clear reason. What makes it dangerous?

>>17786328
>>17786352
>doesn't want to make an archive
>bashing on the one person with any decent archive

Although there are a number of books I wouldn't mind having and can't find elsewhere, which he hasn't shown any interest in including...

>>17795854
If there is something you want you could always ask.

>>17778056
no books on coping with permanent virginity?

>>17793911
>It's not that I don't think it works

I have no doubts about efficacy. I just yearned for simplicity. What didn't work was my escape plan.

>>17795549
>The thought of sex while being surrounded by freaks and the enlightened performing rituals is arousing

Easier, if you're female.

>>17795800
>This old rascal got us all in the end, eh?

Pretty much. My path to Zen actually went through the Chuang Tzu.

>>17795812
>What are the prerequisites for working Enochian material?

Solid ceremonial skills, for a start. You'll need to understand how the system is informed by the Bible, so you will need some grounding there, too.

>It's one that people always warn about, but not for any clear reason. What makes it dangerous?

I'd say the biggest reason is that the angels reserve the right to, not just refuse to work with someone, but to actually allow them to be led astray by lying spirits.

>>17796010
>Solid ceremonial skills, for a start.

What does that mean specifically? In terms of a skillset, I mean.

And how would you avoid being led astray? I seem to remember there being a method of testing spirits in the GD material using grade signs, does that apply in Enochian?

It's a fascinating system, I'm just looking for a way to get into it without getting #shrekt by the angels. I can banish well, am good with tarot, and have done some very basic scrying in the past, but I'm wondering what else I can work on, specifically

>>17796010
>but to actually allow them to be led astray by lying spirits

Which brings on the question, why should they be responsible for whom man follows?

If anything, I would say that in order to be led astray one *must* want to believe rather than take things as they are.

>>17796040
>I can banish well, am good with tarot, and have done some very basic scrying in the past, but I'm wondering what else I can work on, specifically

Banishing is a start. You'll need some sort of ritual framework for your Enochian work, so you'll need to understand how to construct your own rituals. Scrying the elemental keys doesn't require much more than a simple temple -- banishing should do -- the right incense, colored candles, that sort of thing, and banishing again after. Something more complicated will usually require a more complicated approach.

And this is just the elemental part, the 'lower' third of Enochian.

>And how would you avoid being led astray?

Be useful to the angels. They'll come for you, when you're ready.

Enochian was what fascinated me most in the GD material. It's where I always wanted to work. I didn't actively pursue it, though. Then, when I finally found someone who could teach me magic, his area of interest and expertise was Enochian. At that point, it was almost unavoidable.

>>17796124
>If anything, I would say that in order to be led astray one *must* want to believe rather than take things as they are.

Well, yeah. Look at the number of fools pursuing Enochian. They must believe in it, at least a bit.

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How do I attain siddhis?

>>17796335
You learn to do the things they have to do with.

For example: perfect memory; train yourself in memorizing things, using mnemotechnics and self-hypnosis in order to boost spatial imagination and awareness (helps the hipocampus, thus helping memory).

>>17795812
>>17796040

Tyson's Enochian Magic for Beginners will be of great interest, if you haven't read it yet.

http://theunexplainedmysteries.com/images/Donald%20Tyson%20-%20Enochian%20Magic%20for%20Beginners.pdf
>>17796124
>If anything, I would say that in order to be led astray one *must* want to believe rather than take things as they are.

"On March 10, 1582, Dee received from an angel who called himself Uriel an irregular triangular figure filled with obscure characters. This was to be his personal symbol of authority, called a Lamen in ritual magic...At a later date, the angel Il(?) declared to Dee that this first Lamen was "false and divilish" and that the angel who had represented himself was an impostor."

>>17796672
>At a later date, the angel Il(?) declared to Dee that this first Lamen was "false and divilish" and that the angel who had represented himself was an impostor.

Angel politics always struck me as boring, tbqh.

>>17796675
The point being, how simple it is to be led astray without realizing it.

>>17796335

Raja yoga is probably the shortest path.

>>17796500

There are more interesting siddhis than that, I'm sure.

>>17796675
>Angel politics always struck me as boring, tbqh.

Oh really? I think Michael's refusal to have anything to do with the Watchtowers was rather interesting and potentially informative.

>>17796781

It's even more explicit than that. Ave, I think it was, told Dee that the lying spirits are "tied up" for the good, and not the wicked. But who is it that decides?

>>17796959
>Oh really? I think Michael's refusal to have anything to do with the Watchtowers was rather interesting and potentially informative.

Perhaps. At this point, I just focus on my own life, and if they have something to offer for me doing something, I'm up for it. But in all honesty, it's not very much my business what they do.

>>17796966

I think that's wise, actually.

>>17795800
https://vimeo.com/75863902

>>17796966
What kind of stuff can the angels actually offer?

And in return for what?

I want to throw fireballs, even if they are merely illusion

give me a video to show how to do it with magic, or just any video showing legitimate magic at all

>>17797006
>What kind of stuff can the angels actually offer?

Insight and self-transformation mostly. Nothing you can't get easier otherwise.

The important part is that they also appear to have influence over significant life events, which is why one would be inclined to get in touch with them in the first place.

That's where things go fucky, really, really quickly, because as Dirge very accurately stated, this communication requires dialetheic logic, which in turn requires a great deal of mental compartmentalization in order not to suffer cognitive dissonance.

It's my belief that this lack of mental discipline is why so many aspirants' minds fall into disarray.

>And in return for what?

Time and effort, for the most part. My experience with them has been very pleasant, and very much business-like, however I do tend to negotiate for big returns, which they were less than willing to accept.

I think I'll go back to the work with Enochian soonish, mostly just to see what happens.

>>17797178
I can make you hallucinate within 5-10 minutes, with the belief that it's entirely real. There's nothing magical (paranormal) about illusions.

>>17778214
H-how do I into study group?

>>17797193
>There's nothing magical (paranormal) about illusions.
Alright, then. How about manipulating light to look like fireballs of different colors? No tech or hallucinations, actual magic.

>>17797211
Depends on whether you want to *see* it look like fireballs, or whether you want it to *be* like fireballs. There's a significant difference.

The latter, I've no idea. The former, still an illusion.

>>17797219
So then what is magic? Give me a video of it, pal

>>17797228
There's no such thing, at least as far as I'm concerned. Most of the effects claimed by practitioners can be explained by science. The more bizarre ones (like that hindu who didn't need to eat or drink) are so out there that I simply can do nothing else than shrug.

O wise Ape of Thoth, how happy I am that you did not get executed like that other Ape Harambe. How goes your practice?

I have a question. I have a friend who is into a lot of plastic shamanistic stuff. He told me that June 20th is a powerful day, being both a full moon and the summer equinox. Now, being more of a buddh-hindh-neoplatonist (though not advanced by any means), I know little of rituals and equinoxes and full moons and whatnot. I have done a few small rituals with this guy but they pale in comparison to what he's got planned for June 20th (which includes a bonfire).

My questions extend to all the tripfags that have proved that they're knowledgeable, and really to all of you. What sort of forces (if any) come into play during full moons, and equinoxes? What would be good to do this day? He's got his stuff sort of planned out, and I'm working on it. So far I've got some Upanishadic "hymns" lined up, I've been digging around through the Rig Veda for some hymns to Agni or something similar, however I don't want to do an overly Hindu thing since (especially Vedic stuff).

What would you guys do? I think I'm also going to start a thread on here with this topic, but I came here first because I specifically value your (tripfag) opinions. That's something you don't hear very often on this Sino-Tibetan yak-breeding discussion board, eh?

can anyone recommend a grimoire or something of demonic+angelic entities, their information and their sigils please?

really curious about this stuff