If memory isn't physically stored in brain, from where

>>16985065
Mushroom spores

>>16985065
the cloud

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>If memory isn't physically stored in brain

But it is.

Dedicated RAM

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>>16985065
It is stored in the brain, neurologists just don't know where. Look up the story of patient HM
He had both hippocampus removed which convert short term into long-term memory
One primarily does visual and the other verbal but you can function fine with one because the other compensates.
HM is a good study, there could be a YouTube thing on it. A neurosurgeon told me they believe a memory is retrieved when different neurons fire at the same time, but really they don't know yet.

T. I had my right temporal lobe removed in July in a surgery to cure epilepsy. No seizures since surgery, memory is fine and I learned a ton about the brain before and after surgery.

Ask me anything but I may get back to you tomorrow

Pic related

>>16985065
> If light isn't physically stored in the light bulb, where do we store the electricity?!

>>16985107
dam son

>>16985107
>It is stored in the brain, neurologists just don't know where
If they don't know where, they don't know it is stored in the brain. What if it is stored in muscle tissue? What if it is stored in the 'aether'? They just currently assume it is stored in the brain.

>>16985070
/thread

>>16985124
Because they know how it becomes stored is kind of the point I was getting at
The hippocampus, in the brain, are what turn short term into long term memory

>>16985107
How much of your brain was removed? I am not a smart about brain stuffs

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>>16985107
>I had half my brain removed
Now I can eat like a fuckin idiot with no consequences!

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>>16985151
I was told 9%
This explains exactly what what done to me, this was the letter to my family Dr from the surgeon

>>16985185
Congrats nigga. So you had 9% of your brain removed with no noticeable loss of memory? That implies at least a holographic form of memory storage, since that's a huge chunk.

>>16985196
Well the part of my brain removed was damaged from possibly infection like meningitis when I was young which caused the seizures

I was told that immediately following surgery I may have memory issue but no, I actually vaguely remember waking up from surgery.
It's been 4 months now, I'm probably 90% back to normal, it's my sleep that has been shitty.
The point I was making like I said before is science knows where in the brain short term memory becomes long term memory because of the patient HM study. He had both hippocampus removed and couldn't convert short term memory into long term memory
But they were able to teach him a new motorskill. So not all memory is stored via hippocampus
Read about the HM study, it's pretty interesting and one of the most important studies of human memory

>>16985196
Here's the Wikipedia article

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Molaison

>>16985215
thanks anon will check it out

>>16985215
You say you don't have any memory loss, but if you have in fact forgotten certain things in your life/past, then you won't have any idea that you've even forgotten them.

So chances are you've forgotten some things but you don't even realise

>>16985228
No, because my family and friends would notice, and I still have memories from when I was very young. I also don't have issue retaining new information. The temporal lobe don't store memory, they mostly deal with emotion and converting short term into long term memory

>>16985228
Doesn't matter, I'm fine now and back to work.
My point is physical pieces of brain tissue deal with memory which is objectively scientific fact
The idea of some holographic memory or something is very unlikely

I g2g to bed now

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>>16985240
>the temporal lobe don't store memory

>>16985262
Read the fucking HM study. He lost both temporal lobes and retained all presurgery memory.
Good night

>implying your brain isn't a radio and your soul isn't a satellite

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>>16985269
You better watch you're fuckin mouth before I come over there and give you a seizure myself

>>16985272
Your soul is an account. It's the unique identifier that ties you to existence. Your brain is like a site session, temporary information stored to make your session more convenient and personalized. But it clears itself upon closing the browser/dying.

True immortality is learning how to store that session data on your account, so when the soul starts a new session/new life you retain all memories of the past.

itt: highschool dropouts

>>16985356
>I won't say who I think is wrong or right, I'll just smugly imply I know better

>>16985356
Confirmed, I've never had even one seizure

>>16985069
Kinda right. Memories come from the plain of memories.

>>16985552
You mean the plains of silence?

>>16985078
deditaeted wam

>>16985563
Nope. Plain of Memory.The pplace where memories come from.

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>>16985714
>nope

>>16985065
the idea i think is that there are multiple dimensions of space and that our soul actually sits in the same place as our body in the real world.
but then again memories and whatever could be something more mundane

>>16985215
they took his hard disk out so all he has was his RAM kek
hope he had at least 12gb

>>16985215
>meningitis
Maybe you should have brushed your teeth

>>16985817

That's exactly it though. Without a soul you just have RAM.

I remember when those Chromebooks came out. Some girl in my college class that I later slept with was so excited that everything was stored in "the cloud".

Even my liberal professor who I disliked looked at me and we both were making comments like "oh so it has no soul?" and I made a comment like yours about the RAM and all that. It's such a metaphor though! Those Chromebooks are soulless!

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>>16985837
>mistaking meningitis for gingivitis

>>16985856
well that was a stupid comment.

>>16985983
lol

>>16985065
magnetic field
neuropsychologists had to revise and recognize this fact and are slowly starting to formulate how it works, it's very recent but slow development and I actually heard and spent some time in lectures listening about this stuff (not my field. I'm anthro/sociology), it all neatly ties in with chakras too

>>16986337
to elaborate information is stored in the magnetic field surrounding that your brain is capable of perceiving which kind of somehow interacts with your brain and produces memories? it's all still very vague but basically the physical brain and chemical processes cannot account for memory as a process which has been recognized
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12376078 it might be a bit too "scientific" for some but again it's an emerging field of study

>>16985070

This though.

>>16986358
great proof bro

>>16986360
You don't need proof on /x/. You just believe!

>>16985144
Who's to say that the hippocampus just prevent's the retrieval of memories or the sending of memories to wherever they may be stored instead of.

>>16986346
Interesting abstract, I'll read the paper later. Same author has a later 2005 paper also. Wonder if anything else has been done on this in the last ten years?

>>16986505
Yes, it seems unlikely that there is a completely physical, ie biochemical or mechanical basis for memory storage, the volumes of information are huge.

you obviously dont store memorys in your brain, for example the well known example of that guy from france getting bonked on the gourd and they x rayed his head and found that HE DIDNT HAVE A BRAIN and he had a job and kids and was *mildy* cognitively impaired, which proves that a retard with no brain can get g/f lol :D pretty cool huh.

>>16986529
>the volumes of information are huge.
Back
The HM study showed the hippocampus handle declarative memory, like things you're aware of knowing, meeting somebody, learning a face, things like that. They were able to teach him a new motor skill, had him trace something by looking at a pattern in a mirror or something. They had him do it every day and he got better at it. He had no memory of learning it the previous day, it's kind of like you never forget how to ride a bike

>>16985107
Mate. What if not the hard drive is broken, but just the antenna? Got it?

>>16986548
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/man-tiny-brain-lived-normal-life

It says he has a very small brain, the mri they show in the article show that his brain stem and nervous system are there

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>>16986668
No the staples are gone now, I already thought I could maybe get better reception on my phone if I rigged it up but they were only in for 2 weeks

>>16986529
>Wonder if anything else has been done on this in the last ten years?
yeah that's what I'm talking about, past year or two at least our psychology faculty (in netherlands, so you can trust them on being serious about it) they've been turning focus on it

no papers or research results released as of yet though, I wish I had more insight and friends in that are to bother about it - in other words look forward to this stuff becoming studied more

>>16986346
So this magnetic field is unaffected by MRIs?

http://www.human-memory.net/processes_storage.html

This article does a good job explaining how modern science believes memories are stored and retrieved without the pseudo science magic shit you guy are talking about

>>16985284
Boy howdy, this made me laugh. I don't know if it was a genuine knee-jerk reaction or bait, but the mental image I conjured up of a 300+ pound neckbeard, wheezing as he typed this reply just made me laugh.

>>16985552
>>16985563
>>16985714
it's plane you fucking retards

I don't recall where I saw it, but I vaguely remember reading an article in passing that mentioned that memories are likely stored in the entirety of the nervous system, not just the brain.
Or maybe just the spinal cord...

>>16986782
I have no idea

I imagine since you are perpetually maintaining it with your physical body you'd need to damage or influence it first, although outside interferences on the field itself is an interesting area to think about - it would explain how you can change someone mood by altering their surroundings which is nothing new and has been shown to have less to do with traditional view of perception than some other yet unknown factors
again I'm as should others pay attention to this subject as I'm sure it'll become extremely relevant to occult and other /x/ related interests

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>>16986683
What were you even doing that they had to fucking take your brain out maybe you should think when you do shit instead of wasting tax payers dollars

>>16987549

Super faggoty avatar you keep slapping on your lame observations.

>>16987549
He was reading posts like yours.

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>ctrl+f
>"intentionality"
>0 results
I expected better, /x/

>>16986827
Kill yourself, idiot.

>>16986827
Shit, this >>16987853 was meant for >>16985714
>>16985563
>>16985552

Sorry, you're correct. It is planes.

>>16985124
You are fucking delusional...

the brain fires synapses that come together when you need them to recall a memory. they kinda are stored in the brain.

>>16986529
>Yes, it seems unlikely that there is a completely physical, ie biochemical or mechanical basis for memory storage, the volumes of information are huge.
>my personal incredulity means the supernatural exists

Where'd you get that picture from bruh quit messing it was in my storage last night?

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>>16988690
Google images, lad

>>16988041
The firing of neurons might have something to do with our ability to recall memory, but not necessarily the encoding.

>>16985124
Think of the brain like a computer. It isn't one, but it can be useful to consider the idea. Neurologists studying the brain are similar to people trying to examine a computer and figure out how it works.

People know where memory is stored on a computer, and they know how to store it; but that's because we invented computers. It's a lot different for a brain since we didn't invent the brain. If you want to know what makes neurologists so convinced that the brain contains memories, I suggest studying neurology rather than trying to make an argument from ignorance.

>>16985107
Oh nice someone else with temporal lobe epilepsy. How bad were your seizures and when did you finally have to resort to surgery? I've had some really close calls in the past few years and I wonder if it will ever get to that.

Now not to shit on the thread I've had lots of memory problems. Long term memory loss after grand mal seizures as well as tons of short term loss with partial seizures. Lots of problems with deja vu, sometimes feelings of time speeding up or slowing down. Memories feeling like they are now disjointed in time.

>>16985065
Neurons, right?

Um, akashic records?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records

Memories are actually within the eyes. That's why people who see something horrific sometimes go blind temporarily.

In theosophy and anthroposophy, the Akashic records (a term coined in the late 19th century from akasha or ākāśa, the Sanskrit word for "sky", "space", "luminous", or "aether") are a compendium of thoughts, events, and emotions believed by Theosophists to be encoded in a non-physical plane of existence known as the astral plane. There are anecdotal accounts but no scientific evidence for existence of the Akashic records.

>>16989220
Like the alien from the film, Horror Express?

>>16989014
>calling other people ignorant
>blinding arguing with contemporary theories that have been endlessly regurgitated for the last decade
The earth was flat for awhile until someone proved it wasn't.

>>16985065
memory is physically stored in brain

>>16989220
That's why secret societies are so focused around imagery focused on eyes. Owls because they are nocturnal predators, Opening the "Third Eye", etc.

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>>16989225
Yes!

the planetary or cosmic akashic records. you just think you experienced something, but in reality you tapped into a thing that had already happened and your silly 3d consciousness thought it was new.

>>16989220

she was a true monster straight from lovecraft only way worse. the type of sex she enjoyed was... worse than the worst hell any human could ever experience. the amount of pleasure she had from a few seconds of it was more than i could experience in a million lifetimes. i was a little jealous.

>>16989236
Yeah, just like information is physically stored on that flash drive, or that phone, am I right?

Just give up on life, moron.

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>http://elifesciences.org/content/3/e03896
>Reinstatement of long-term memory following erasure of its behavioral and synaptic expression in Aplysia
>These results point to the nucleus of neurons as the potential locus of the engram in Aplysia

But this isn't all;

>http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v17/n1/full/nn.3594.html
>Parental olfactory experience influences behavior and neural structure in subsequent generations
>Our findings provide a framework for addressing how environmental information may be inherited transgenerationally at behavioral, neuroanatomical and epigenetic levels

So, an engram is a memory. If you read the second paper, you'll find that DNA methylation isn't the vector for this genetic memory - the true location of memory can only be said to be vaguely in the vicinity of genetic material within cells.

Timothy Leary and RAW had quite a bit to say about this;

>http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm#c7
>The seventh brain kicks into action when the nervous system begins to receive signals from WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL NEURON, from the DNA-RNA dialogue. The first to achieve this mutation spoke of "memories of past lives," "reincarnation," "immortality," etc
>The "akashic records" of Theosophy, the "collective unconscious" of Jung, the "phylogenetic unconscious" of Grof and Ring, are three modern metaphors for this circuit. The visions of past and future evolution described by those who have had "out-of-body" experiences during close-to-death episodes also describes the trans-time circuit VII tunnel-reality
>Circuit VII is best considered, in terms of 1977 science, as the genetic archives, activated by anti-histone proteins. The DNA memory coiling back to the dawn of life. A sense of the inevitability of immortality and interspecies symbiosis comes to all circuit VII mutants; we now see that this, also, is an evolutionary forecast, since WE STAND RIGHT NOW ON THE DOOR-STEP OF EXTENDED LONGEVITY LEADING TO IMMORTALITY

>>16988809
https://m.youtube.com/user/BrainwaveAudio

>>16989278

This desu

Don't overthink it and get depressed or some shit tho, it's Friday homie.

>>16985107
I hear cannabis helps with epilepsy (I'm not a brain-junkie though, so I could be wrong). Did you try that? What kind of results did you have?


>>16985185
Nice. Did you notice any cognitive changes? Like your vision being different, imagination being less or more active, that kind of thing?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11691980

Might be interesting also.

>>16986820
Nice, thanks.

>>16989481
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/DNAPhantom.htm

Might be very related.

>>16989014
An you can stretch the analogy.

The brain is like a computer. Neurologists are trying to understand how the software work by looking at it's hardware. It will be impossible to really understand how the brain works with our current level of technology.

>>16989228
>argument from ignorance
>he is calling me ignorant!
You need look the term up. Try wikipedia.

>>16985107
>>16986683

Nice haircut faggot.

Many of your memories are stored in the Akashic record

It's fucking ridiculous that Brain Guy had a huge chunk of his brain removed with no noticeable side effects and he takes that as proof for exactly the opposite of what it implies because of the doctor's bullshit.

Physicians more than any other profession make their living convincing people that they know everything, to make those that go under their knife feel safe but it's not true.

A claim like "We can describe the mechanism by which memories are stored therefore we know conclusively that they are stored within the physical brain" is clearly flawed logic. It's like saying that because you know how a network cable works that you can say conclusively that the Internet is inside your router.

>>16993518
They shaved his head before surgery. I know this because I've had procedures done twice and can bridge the gap in knowledge.

You're just retarded.

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>>16993578

>>16993518
your fucking stupid anon..

>>16985065
Physical memories are stored within nerves, any other form of recollection comes from the ether. The Brain is the physical vessel, for an etheric process. A healthy brain is vital.

>>16993575
>morphic resonance
Are you saying the world is one invisible Dropbox account?

>>16993578
your the most cancerous tripfag ever. i fucking hate you.

I didn't read anything. But. The guys you pay to teach you are the ones that need you dumb so you keep paying them, do you still believe everything they say?, truth is I believe your mind goes back and forth in space to remember and deja vu on future, to predict, what if we are just a shell of the real being that is inside? Please awake brother and sisters....

>>16988626
>my capacity for imagination means that the supernatural doesn't exist

>>16995322
>My lack of imagination means that the supernatural exists

Just because you can't imagine that the brain could possibly store its memories physically does not mean anything besides a failure of imagination.

How much information is required to hold a memory, really? Current psychological research on recall suggests that episodic memories are stored in a way extremely suggestive of lossy compression - to be more specific, that memories when recalled appear to be more constructed than "played back", rebuilt and filled in from our preconceptions and archetypes plugged into a much vaguer framework of general events and occasional specific details, different every time they are recalled.

And how much information could the brain possibly hold, anyway? There's something like 86 billion neurons in the brain, and more than 125 trillion synapses *in the cerebellum alone*. Idealized artificial neural networks can store information in both the network topology (pattern of connections) and strength of those connections, and who knows what other complexities real neurons have - for one thing, there's a whole separate network of glial cells, and we're not even really sure what they do!.

>>16985067
underrated
funny shit only on /x/

>>16985065
cloud

>>16994562
Even if it was a joke, there is the idea of jokes being "funny" and that is arbitrary as all hell.

>You're the most cancerous tripfag ever.
Defending an unfunny joke makes you the most cancerous defender of unfunny shit.

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>>16993518

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>>16985107
mfw when every doctor on germany told my parents to chop my brain but they did nothing kept the medication and i am 10years+ free of seizures

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>>16985339
each soul is inseparably affixed to a body.

it can and will be separated, and it can relinquish this control to a demon, conceivably even to another soul, but ultimately (eternally) that body will be hers, for good or ill

reincarnation is a lie

>>16985339

>we will acquire immortality via the power of cookies

>>16998798
good, pretty cool.

>>16985124
If you get muscle tissue removed, you don't suddenly forget shit. If you get a good whack upside the head in the right kind of spot you will forget shit.

memories are memes your existence doesnt matter

>>16994550
Not him, but it perhaps the brain uses other parts of the body to store info. It's not completely far-fetched, but probably hasnt been studied much since science is convinced everything happens in the brain.

>>17002216
If you get a chunk of brain removed, you don't forget shit either, apparently according to someone in this thread who had it done. Where in the brain are memories stored?

>>16985065
greys who were there and they then project the memory into your brain

>>16985065
bump for interest