If you only had one choice, anon, what would be the greatest

Fallout 2

>>4214005
earthbound

>>4214005
XCOM

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Tough, but I'll say Uncharted Waters 2

>>4214005
FF6 / III SNES

Selection of characters. Visuals. Music. Story. 2 Over-worlds.

Japanese or Western? Eh fuck, it. Phantasy Star IV

>>4214054
>Uncharted Waters 2

That looks pretty fun. Might check it out.

Anyway:

Western: Baldur's Gate or Planescape,b ut leaning more to Baldur (like the generic setting more, fuck it)

Jrpg: A lot to choose from. I'm leaning towards Suikoden, but Wild Arms and some FF's are also pretty good

>>4214005
SaGa Frontier

>>4214005
eastern:
chrono trigger

western:
vampires masquerade, bloodlines

>>4214395
Not retro.

>>4214005
>greatest RPG
Diablo II + Expan

Baldur's Gate 2, absolutely no contest. A legitimate contender for best game ever, of any genre.

Might and Magic 6 Mandate of Heaven

Meme answer: Xenogears is my pic for both best rpg and worst rpg at the same time

Actual answer: If I think about what an RPG is and does, then the answer is Earthbound.

If I think about arcane interactions of numbers and watching them go up and down in fascinating quantities, then my answer is by default "whatever the newest SaGa game is" at any given point in time.

>>4214563
Quake's is better

Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden

Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song
While not absolutely retro it fits as its a remake of a retro game. It has layers of depth, freedom of choice, replayability up the ass, a unique artstyle that is new but also based on historic gaming style, tons of characters to recruit, many with their own stories and reasons for traveling the world. The ability to literally fuck yourself into a dead end is to me a good thing, it rewards you for not just playing the game, but by taking everything about it apart down to its core.

Easily my favorite rpg. but that doesn't make it the greatest. The fact that you can play it for hundreds of hours and still find quests for the first time or find a new tactical use of something that many hours in is a sign of it being crafted with love from the ground up.

>>4214672
NOT RETRO but great game.

>>4214054

literally seafaring han solo

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Not ultima VI is casual

>>4214005
Dungeons & Dragons

I know I'm cheating.

Romancing SaGa 2

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>>4214005

pic related

>>4215982
isn't that guy a huge cuck

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Hands down this.

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>>4215993

Are you retarded? How is he a cuck?

>>4215993
A goddess decided to say fuck immortality and power just for his dick, so no.

>>4216004
What's this game about? I keep seeing it for dirt cheap

>>4214440
>Diablo II
>RPG
I prefer to roleplay Quake.

>>4214692
When it comes down to story, Saga is shit tho.

>>4216404
Frontier's was pretty good, it wasn't thrown in your face, subtle and connected the 7 scenarios.

>>4214005
Star Ocean 2

>>4214370
This. If only it was allowed the budget and production time to finish it.

Wonder Boy 3.

>>4214005
Phantasy Star IV

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Dragon Quest V

>>4214513
>Meme answer: Xenogears is my pic for both best rpg and worst rpg at the same time
elaborate on this please. i might have a similar opinion of this game but maybe you can put it better than i could

I have played most of the classics but I gotta go with Divinity Original Sin on this one if I was to be 100% honest.

Picking from the classics I'd probably go with Ultima 7.

>>4216391
Open world medieval Germany simulator. Its pretty fucking hardcore.

>>4218514

Not even the best Dragon Quest game. Are you autistic?

>>4214692
>Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song

It's a corridor simulator with pervasive load times. Every section of every map is broken up into tiny chunks, with load times between each chunk. Merely traveling from point A to point B takes an average of 40 minutes longer than it did in the original SFC game. God help you if you run into a dead-end and need to backtrack.

I'm sorry, but despite the game's merits, the map system makes it borderline unplayable.

>>4219114
>medieval Germany
nan dess karr. never heard of such a thing.

>>4219143
>>4218514
Sick burn

Depends on what you think makes a good RPG. A world you can spend forever exploring? The Elder Scrolls series works well for that. Music and atmosphere? Final Fantasy series usually does well. Character building? FF5, DQ3, Might and Magic games do well for that. Epic adventures? Ultima series does that well. Dungeon Crawling? Eye of the Beholder and Wizardry series are pretty good.

You need to be more specific OP.

>>4219152
there's a gameshark code that lets you double the movement speed of everything on the field map

>>4214005
Depends on what you call a RPG.

If we stick to stuff that nobody would argue that it's NOT a RPG, then probably Ultima Underworld.

>>4214054
>>4214163
It's really more of a naval exploration/trading sim.

>>4214005
Dragon age: Origins. Just the base game, DLC and new games were absolute trash.

>>4214005
>>4214412
>of all time

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Blew my balls off when I was a kid.

>>4220240
>A world you can spend forever exploring? The Elder Scrolls
Once you visit a couple of places i don't see why would you keep exploring. You will not be surprised by what you see.

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>>4214005
Since others are splitting their picks between regions:
Eastern: FFV
Western: Morrowind

>>4220498
If you think surprises are the only things worth playing for then all games, not just JRPGs, must be incredibly boring to you.

I'll be that guy: Final Fantasy VII

world of warcraft

>>4220590
>world of warcraft
Why not EverQuest?

>>4220590
>not even retro
>not even an RPG
>not even a good MMO

>>4220596
>not retro
wow was released in 2004, that is retro now
>not even an RPG
wow is an MMORPG, hence and RPG
>not even a good MMO
name one that is better

>>4220598
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>1999 and earlier

>>4220598
>2004 is retro
Oh boy here we go

Also, you know that WOW didn't get even remotely fun until you get to level cap and go raiding with friends, which is only a tiny portion of the game. The only redeeming factor for the rest of the game is interesting lore bits, which you can just read without playing the actual game

>>4220606
>platforms launched in 1999 and earlier
>platform
im pretty sure the PC was launched before 1999

>>4220619
You must be baiting, no one can actually be that stupid

>>4220619
I don't think you can run WoW on a 486
>>4220621
Summer's not over yet

>>4214005
that avatar looks like Varg

>>4214005
Is that Birthright?

It is between:
Runescape in the strictest sense of the word.
Minecraft in terms of potential.
Pokemon for cultural relevance.

>>4214005
>>4214013
>>4214052
Fuck off Spoony.

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>>4214058
Every fucking time.

>>4214068
Why should there be a fucking difference. If a Japanese game is going to call itself an RPG, it better fucking live up to the pre-established standard.

>>4214395
The correct answer.

>>4214440
Not an RPG.

>>4214443
The setting can't decide if it's sci-fi, and there's too much illusion of choice.

>>4214513
>Meme answer: Xenogears is my pic for both best rpg and worst rpg at the same time
It may be a meme, but it's correct.

>>4215982
At least Link has the excuse of being a Nintendo product.

If you fucks are going to say JRPGs stack up to Elder Scrolls, then I'm going to see your JRPGs and raise you Deus fucking Ex.

>>4214005
Falling Stars. It's a scenario made in Jeff Vogel's Blades of Exile campaign builder. Unfortunately, it needs quite a bit of lead up from the other games by the same guy to really get, but with one or two exceptions (I'm looking at you, Staff of Kayolith), they're well worth playing in their own right.

The reason I'm putting it #1 is more so than any other game I've ever played, this one really got me to care about the world and what happens, and while I don't want to give away spoilers on the off chance that someone will actually want to play it, when something went disastrously wrong, it upset me to to the point that I stood up and screamed at the computer until my voice went hoarse, and a gut punch like that I have never felt before or since, whether in CRPG or a tabletop.

>ctrl-f
>chrono trigger
>1 result

what's the problem with you people?

>>4221603
I can't speak for anyone else, but I thought Chrono Trigger was in that "enjoyable but not great" category. I don't hugely like JRPGS in general though, and I found the plot rather obvious and uninspiring, and the characters mostly likeable, but not so much so that it was enough to carry the game to all time greatness.

Even compared to other games that were around by the mid 90s, I think there are half a dozen easily better options, and more that have since been made. I don't entirely understand why it has such a devoted fanbase.

>>4221612
>but I thought Chrono Trigger was in that "enjoyable but not great" category. I
This.

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Not retro though

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>>4220621
The rules are quite stupid

>>4220503
That's not an argument. The game is full of copy-paste and generic places/missions. In my book, that's no worth to explore forever.

>>4221678
We don't make the rules, we just follow them.

>>4221785
fight da powah
the man is keeping you down

>>4214013
shit combat

>>4214031
jrpg tactics crap

>>4214052
not an rpg

>>4214054
not an rpg

>>4214058
jrpg tactics crap

>>4214068
jrpg tactics crap

>>4214370
jrpg tactics crap

>>4214395
acceptable answer

>>4214440
hack and slash crap

>>4214443
not a bad answer but not the best

>>4214481
dungeon crawler crap

>>4214513
jrpg grindy crap

>>4216004
dungeon crawler crap

Deus Ex, VTM: Bloodlines, or Fallout: New Vegas

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>>4221796
>Deus Ex, VTM: Bloodlines, or Fallout: New Vegas

>>4221796
>>4221798
>autistic in real life
>only likes games where you play as a character with autism
kek

>>4221798
In purely technical terms, those games are first-person, real-time, open world and 3d. Those are all inherently more immersive than other perspectives and therefore de facto superior.

In mechanical terms, the only relevant criteria for judgment of a roleplaying game is, most importantly, meaningful plot-line flexibility, and story quality.

Going by my specifications, which are probably better than anyone else's in this thread, these are the clear contenders for best RPG.

>>4216391
set in 15th centruy Germany, and takes heavy influence from German mythology so besides humans you'll be fighting all kinds of mythological creatures. You get

basic weapon skills (sword, axe, polearms, bow, thorwing, blunt, etc.)
religious training / virtue (allows you to pray to certain Saints, which you have to go to the church and pray and donate to as well as do good deeds in order to ask for favor: success in combat, healing, etc.)
alchemy (there is no magic, so think of this as magic. you get the ingredients and make points that add all kinds of buffs to characters, act as poisions and deal different types of damage. plus this is a great way to make money early in the game)
read and writing and literacy in Common and Latin (you need at least one character that is literate, because there have been times where my literate character died and because i cant read i had to ask townsfolk to read job postings for me; latin is used for religious texts)
artifice (basically weapons making and lock picking as well as any kind of craft relating to items)
theif skills such as stealth, streetwise (how many times the latter got me out of not getting killed in a rough part of town)
ranger skills like ride and woodwise (knowledge of nature, can help you find shelter, hide from bandits and monsters, etc.)

character generation goes by age, so each decade that you character lives you get a new job which give you points to add to your skills based on what job (and only certain jobs can be picked after already learning the basic class, so if you want to be a strong fight you would pick solider, veteran, mercenary etc. same goes for an alchemist or priest). the downside is that the older you get the lower your stats get after 30 years of age. so you can have a 60 year old character with awesome skills but shit stats which doesn't help much. 1/??

>>4221884
2/3 you upgrade abilites by either using them many many times or you can pay to be trained by different masters or guilds depending on what you want to learn - but be warned that if you are too low/high or just not a likealbe person, a lot of people won't train you.

the gameplay, you have different town and cities through germany and you can do the basic things in town: buy items, look for jobs, study a trade, work, go to church and even go to prison. when you leave the town that is when the real fun starts, you are constantly beset by bandits, robber barrons, wolves, werewolves, forest monsters and all other kinds of enemies. you can fight giant snakes, dragons, gnolls and other mythological types as well. the combat controls take a long time to learn but once you get used to them and past the graphics (i played this when it came out have been playing it over for 20 years) it's an amazingly engrossing game and really addicting because of the sheer freedom that you have

>>4221915
one play through I recently had was I started off with a mixed part, a fighter, a nun, an alchemist and a ranger. after making some potions and selling them to equip my party members i set out into the wilderness to adventure. walking along the path we were attack by bandits, and my alchemist was killed. well i can always get a new guy so i kept going. while camping to restore my health a forest spirit came out of the woods and demanded that i give him my only female character or he would kill my whole party. so i gave her away since i was pretty weak and would probably die right away. finally we are off to the next town with 2 down. along the way we are stopped by a traveling clergyman and extorted to pay tribute (gold) to him or he and his 10 men would attack me. well there goes all my money. i finally get to the next town and because i dont have any money i cant enter the town. so i scale the wall and get in but get caught and go to prison. my fighter dies in prison and my ranger manages to almost dig his way out but is caught and punished. he finally digs his way out the second time and escapes the city, with nothing at all, no items. i traveled for 2 months naked through the wilderness, and finally came to a town where someone would join my party, i sold his high level equipment to get some money and built up a new party. after adventuring with that party for about 6 months game time, we defeated a dragon, stop a satanic cult from their sacrifice and defeated a robber baron.

>>4221796
>dungeon crawler crap
>never played it
>but these really popular and overrated modern games with a shit load of bugs are the best!

aren't you supposed to be back in school already, junior?

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>>4221537
...said /v/ in 2010

>>4221912
>>4221921

Suckin' that delicious Codex cock, eh?

Daggerfall.

>>4221978
Codex likes DX, VTMB and FNV though

>>4220590
>>4220596
>>4220598
>>4220606
>>4220614
>>4220619
>>4220621
>>4220634
Man, /vr/ is probably the only 4chan board that at times manages to feel like you're reading youtube comments, the lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

>>4222796
Lol I've noticed that too.

>>4214005
With time passing, I forgot.
Probably Phantasy Star at the time it was released.

>>4214005

Oh man

Beyrayal at Krondor is so fucking comfy

>>4221796
>Deus Ex
Gameplay is shit and clunky

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>>4214054
Top tier taste. The game could be improved - a lot, especially combat - but it's still tons of fun to this day. Plus it breaks in really interesting ways when your country has every non-capital port in the world allied, like pirate gold underflowing and causing this.

>>4221612
Fucktard

>>4223435
Autistic manchild

>>4223435
That's why you call them Triggerniggers.

The first Neverwinter Nights + expansions and Baldur's Gate

>>4225434
Why the first?

>>4225434
NWN turned me off. Does it get better?

>>4225523
I never got through the second one. Partly for superficial reasons. The first one is still to this day one of the best looking games ever made IMO, and NWN2 is one of the ugliest games I have ever played.
The second game just felt very sluggish and strange to me. I've heard people say the story is better and whatnot, but I don't remember anything from the second and remember everything quite vividly from the first. I don't know how many times I've seen a review or an essay describing some narrative or mechanical flaw in a given game and thought to myself "NWN did it right"

>>4225531
Which one do you mean?
I think the first one is a masterpiece, but the learning curve is very slow. Probably the only 'complaint' I have with the game, though I like a slow learning curve. Play the first one as a wizard and try to really obsessively consider your every choice of spell and feats. Is dope.

>>4225523
Oh, and the first had an amazing and unique multiplayer that has never since been replicated. You were basically given the devs toolkit and could do whatever the hell you wanted with it. People made some absolutely amazing servers complete with their own real time coordinated little adventures and handmade environments.
God, I miss that shit.

>>4222796
for this thread, those aren't even below average posts

the rest of 4chan is pretty terrible too

>>4225571
>the rest of 4chan is pretty terrible too
>pretty terrible

I know you know that's an understatement.

>>4225582
This is the only board I bother with and still half the threads are about complaining about how bad games are. Including this one, which specifically asked for recommendations.

>>4225587
This is my first visit... and I'm honestly shocked at the lack of neo nazism, etc.

>>4225590
>>4225587
But yeah... let's leave it at that and enjoy the peace.

RPGs didn't really fully mature until the early 2000's then it was a slow decline after that. If I had to pick a pre-2000 RPG then it really makes things difficult cause my mind will wander to the likes of NWN, KoToR, Morrowind, etc but I guess I'll go with Pokemon.

>>4225625
Implying that NWN, KoToR, Morrowind, etc. are of the era of premature RPG's?
What's a post 2000 RPG you recommend?

>>4225630
>>4225625
oh, no wait, I get it now.

>>4223397
OP said best RPG. He didn't specify best overall game.

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Fine I'll be the one to say it.

Fucking Final Fantasy VII

inb4 pleb / casual / shit taste / bandwagoner

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>>4214005
don't biff it

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>>4214005
You're retarded if your answer isn't Pokemon. Nothing else has had the same impact.

>>4221796
The autism edge sure is strong in you.
You ok?
Why are you so bitter? Why do you take this so seriously?

>>4222753
I don't even know what Codex is

>>4225885
i never expected to see a post like this one

>>4226034
http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453

Final Fantasy VII