/CRT/ Thread - Back to Basics

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First for Profeels

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>>4121615
>what would you opt for out of CSync and Luma Sync for a PAL SNES?
Personally I just use composite video for sync unless my chosen display won't accept it (the PVM-2950 is the only one which I own where I need to do this)

I've done comparisons between all three on my BVM and found no appreciable difference in image quality.

>>4122159
>Discord Server
Why not IRC?

>>4122248
Lol get with the times grandpa

>>4122282
>he says in a CRT general

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Anyone in the UK midlands fancy Darth Vader's personal Mitsubishi presentation monitor...for a penny?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322593683658

>>4122239
can you restore CSync to a PAL SNES?
Would I be happy with Sync on Luma?

>>4122491
If you need to ask then yes, you'll be more than happy with SoL.

Like I said you'd be extremely unlikely to notice any difference whatsoever over plain old sync on composite video anyhow but it's much less of a ballache than trying to get CSync out of anything other than a 2 chip NTSC SNES.

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>>4122159
Am i getting an optimal picture for the display?

>>4122159
Just got a Trinitron KV27V40. S Video cable in the mail. I love how dark the blacks are.

>>4122657
Top of your screen looks fucked up.

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>>4122657
>dat corner convergence

>>4122748
How so?

>>4122749
Im sorry im not familiar with that. Is there a way to fix it?

Also im using rf. Not sure if that makes a difference.

Why don't i have the scanlines like in the op?

>>4122657
Hard to tell without knowing your reference white level, but looks like you've got the Picture control set too high which is causing the bright bits to bloom.

For comparison, my Trinitron hits my luminance target of 120 lux for a 100 IRE signal with the control set too a notch before the 'T' in "PICTURE." They're ridiculously bright CRTs.

Can't tell if the shit in your upper-right-hand corner is chromatic aberration from your camera or if it's a convergence error on the tube. If it's the latter, the only way to fix it is by opening the chassis up and making manual adjustments. Probably not worth it, since your geometry isn't terrible otherwise.

Have you corrected the red push with the AXPL/AXNT options in the service menu and set Brightness/Color/Tint/Sharpness with the 240p Test Suite? You can set color/tint using the SMPTE color bars with the red and green guns turned off.

>>4122779
>RF
You got Composite out on your NES? Just use that.

>>4122789
>Can't tell if the shit in your upper-right-hand corner is chromatic aberration from your camera or if it's a convergence error on the tube.
Ahh, that is glare from the window, sorry. Yeah i haven't adjusted any of the settings yet (solely because i know little to nothing about this stuff). I will after some research, thank you.

>>4122794
Dont have one that will plug into the nes but will check out ebay now

>>4122812
Is this a toploader NES? You'd actually be SOL on that unless you buy and install a composite mod.

>>4122248
That was thought of as well, Discord just seemed more likely to actually get people to join and chat, based on past experiences with /vr/ IRC channels.

>>4122838
It is the original nes

>>4122856
All you need is 2 standard RCA cables plugged into the side, directly into the TV.

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>>4122812
>Ahh, that is glare from the window
No, not the white square window reflection.

This. It means the red, green and blue beams are not aligned correctly which is known in CRT circles as convergence.

Yours is not good. At all.

>>4122879
I see. But it is possible to fix it? Could you recommend any resources so that i can learn more about it and remedy the issue?

>>4122904
It's still possible for it to be signal noise, but it does seem to be blooming out as it hits the edges. Get a cleaner signal/image going to it first.

>>4122904
http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf

Ignore that it's seemingly aimed at arcade monitors, it's a stellar resource for learning about CRTs in general.

>>4122779
>Why don't i have the scanlines like in the op?
that's a vga monitor.

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Getting comfy with rf before I start wiring the rgb adapter for this TV.
A smaller 20 inch of the same model came with it, I'm very happy with the aesthetic.

A side note, anybody know the service menu access for 80's era trinitrons?

>>4123286
>that's a vga monitor
Nope

>>4123447
That's purdy.

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Composite

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>>4123983
s video

>>4123987

Svideo looks better IMO... im waiting for my Svideo cable for N64, Snes and Cube so i can test this myself on a SONY from the early 2000s.

>>4124005
S-video does look better, I just took the picture because this is a technique gamemakers used with dithering to create a blended image from the blurriness of composite, but with s-video you can see the checkerboard instead.

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>>4123447
>anybody know the service menu access for 80's era trinitrons?

Best I could do

>>4122518
Thanks, I only ask because I'm in the verge of spending a fair bit of cash to get the most out of my pal 2chip snes, and don't want to be spending money on second best

>>4124271
Ya, I figured out it just doesn't have one

>>4123983
>>4123987
Composite looks better here.

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>pick up a nice wega for free
>bring it home
>it doesn't work
>parents start yelling at eachother
so what are you playing on your crts today /vr/?

>>4124005
Where/which svideo cable did you buy? Im looking to get one too

>>4124998
The ones on Amazon are fine. pay attention to the pics and try to get one where the video cable is thicker than the audio cables.

>>4122904
You could try a cheap degaussing wand. There are tutorials online for how to use it. I'm ordering one myself to be honest.

I recently moved a couple of my CRTs around rearranging my game room, and the purity along the left side of my favorite (kv-36fv310) is shot to hell now. The problem was that the left side was previously right up against a radiator (it's an old house) in the corner. I have tried manually manipulating the yoke, the purity ring, and both of the convergence rings. I have also tried small magnets and also convergence strips. Nothing seems to work, and the strips make things worse instead of better. So I'm pretty much positive that it just needs to be demagnetized, and that the built in degaussing coil just isn't powerful enough to offset the years of sitting next to that old cast iron radiator.

What safety measures should I take to prevent radiation leaks and such?

I'm using my CRT to watch old anime. It looks great, only problem is the subs are slightly cut off due to overscan. How should I go about fixing that? Should I mess around with the TV's vertical/horizontal size, or try re-positioning the subs?

>>4125352
>degaussing wand
Any alternating magnetic field will work as degaussing wand. Most power tools for example. You'll get weird looks waving a drill around your screen though.

>>4125423
I hope you're joking, but the tube itself is made out of heavy lead glass. Radiation's not getting out.

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Is there a recommended brand of Universal Remote Controls for old TVs? Or a way to access AV on a Samsung TVCR 142. The instruction manual also suggests plugging video game consoles into the Video OUT which I found weird.

>>4124012
The PS1's fullscreen dithering doesn't help matters.

>>4126562
Does it rollover to AV inputs at either end of the channels? As in, before channel 2/3/whatever the lowest listed is or after the highest?

Before managing to find a Samsung remote, I had just used a generic programmable cable remote. Will probably all depend on the remote in question, but for the old remote (directv, I believe) that I had used, the four digit code that ended up working for me was 0087. You can usually find a list of these sort of codes with a bit of googling.

>>4126569
Nah, it literally went from 1 to 99. Although I haven't tried with the console plugged in directly into the input and output - unsure if that actually makes any difference. I'll look into Directv.

>>4126580
I was just using the directv remote as an example. You can probably find much better ones out there.

Or, an IR blaster app for your phone, assuming it has one, could work in place of an physical remote.

>>4126562
You don't need a universal remote, you can buy new ones sometimes.

http://www.newremotecontrol.com/

I literally bought a brand new OEM remote for my 27 inch Toshiba AF that I picked up off the street. It's fucking great.

A lot of universal remotes don't let you go into the settings, which sucks because this TV had the tint cranked up to the max.

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I was going to get back my CRT tv from my childhood.
Then I remembered that it had the health bars from Tekken burnt in.

>>4126613
The factory tint setting is always too high

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I'm so lost, I can't access my Service menu anymore on my BVM-1911 and the brightness/contrast slider don't seem to do anything at all. I get this message once in a while when I fiddle with a lot of stuff, the manual doesn't mention it, any ideas?

>>4127105
There may be an internal backup battery which has crapped out, throwing you back to an initial setup page?

Maybe check the service manual to see how the internal memory might be retained.

How much input lag does playing retro shit on a hacked Wii get on an LCD vs a CRT? Seriously considering switching

I was playing my PS2 on some RCA CRT and the picture starting going out and then I heard a pop and then it started smoking from the back of the TV.

is it safe to just throw away? Smells like shit in my apartment now, trying to air it out at the moment without breathing in anything too foul

>>4127201
I'll try(and fail) to make a webm.

What do y'all use to convert and compress video into a webm that I can post on here. Last time I tried I fucked up and could only do like a 2 second webm with shite vid quality

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Picked up a £10 BVM-9044D with a faulty degaussing coil and massive purity issues.

30 seconds work with my degaussing wand yielded good results but how would I go about repairing it?

>>4127339
>not directly inhaling pure CRT essence

>buy TV at thrift
>works fine in store, no whine
>get home
>plug in
>whines to high heaven
MOTHERFUCKER

>>4127735
Hotglue your flyback.

No, not 4chan "hotglue"...the real stuff...

>>4127595
https://github.com/Cephel/4chan-webm-maker

Is a 32" trinitron xbr worth $50? Can they play at 4:3??

>>4127862
if it is a 16:9, it will not letterbox itself.
$50 is a bit much for a trinitron. Try to tall them down or wait for a better deal. Not all XBRs are CRTs, make sure it is not an early LCD or plasma.

If it has a remote its worth it only if it is worth it to you. You can find a better deal if you wait.

>>4127661
There is litterally a CRT adjustment guide in the OP that covers this.

>>4127897
Last I checked it didn't cover repairing the automatic degaussing circuit on specific monitors but if you insist I will trawl through it again.

I'm well aware of purity ring adjustments and how to perform them btw. That won't help in this case.

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Oh cool someone finally added the Ingvar Karlsson PDF I've been shilling here forever into the OP.

Good job anon!

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>>4127926
You're nearly 3 months late on that one.

>>4127916
You may need to replace it.

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Emulation has never looked better using a Samsung Syncmaster 753s

>>4127828
mac user guess im fucked

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>>4127998
Just goes to show how much I pay attention to the header post I guess.

Thanks anyway Kya.

>>4128003
I've learned that it's very often the posistor which fails. Guess I'll try fault-finding that and the coil itself to start with.

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kuma

>>4127201
Playing games on a soft modded wii on LCD vs CRT is a considerable difference. Going from Component on LCD to Component on my CRT, the input lag is non existant in comparison and my LCD is supposed to be a 1ms response time TV

Trying to correct the geometry on my Panasonic Tau and getting frustrated. Adjusting the various PCC settings, I can almost get vertical lines to display completely straight, but no matter what I do there's still a noticeable bend somewhere. Any tips?

>>4124912
Only 3Dgame or Per render game was look better with S-video but for 2D hand draw game composite look better.

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>>4128603
Honestly, the OP could use a redo to clean it up some, and add in some "recent news" sorta thing as some of the other generals have. Would give people a bit of a reason to actually look at it more than once.

Use a reply to the OP of the thread to collect possible candidates for the next thread's OP or whatever.

How much would /crt/ be willing to pay for a PVMeme-20M4U? $20? $500?

>>4129414
Considering the most recent BVM-20F1E I picked up on eBay cost £10 ($13US at the time)...probably nothing.

>>4129450
I'm somewhat doubtful of that but maybe Europe is just a better market than the US. No 20-BVMs on eBay for under $500 right now. I'm considering paying $200 for a barely used PVM-20M4U, which I know is a rip-off but I don't see my local area getting another one any time soon, and money isn't much of an issue for me. Still, it would be nice to be as fortunate as you in finding deals like that.

>>4129450
I could barely believe it either but here we are. The other three I own all cost less than £80 each too.

I just have good saved searches set up and am ready to pounce at a moment's notice. It's really not all that hard here in the UK but the US seems to have gone full-retard on the price gouging lately.

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>>4129465
Was meant for >>4129456

Maybe one day I'll tell you the story of how I snagged a 27" Profeel for £5 to save it going for recycling after nobody bid on the auction.

>>4129481
we don't need another free20cunt you know

>>4129465
>>4129481
Nice. I would wait for a more reasonably priced PVM near me but like you said the US is full of price gouging. Even trying to get them from old tv stations/hospital auctions runs you a ton of money anymore.

>>4129506
You're quite right of course, that dude was a nightmare.

I'll try to be a little more discreet in future.

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>>4128810
Mah nigga.

Got this 36" biggie yesterday for free. Thought it was a FS120, but was actually a FS100. The geometry on it is very good for its size, and it even came with the original stand (flimsy as fuck though).

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I guess it needs a few adjustments, right?

>>4130751
taste the rainbow

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>>4122159
Help?

>>4130797
Good ol' percussive maintenence
I used to beat the shit out of my old mitsubishi to keep the vertical from collapsing.

>>4130751
You will need to do yoke adjustments. Hope you are comfortable with working around HV.

>>4130797
As the anon put it, percussive maintenance in pretty much all cases means you've got some bad solder joints, and hitting it manages to get the joint to make contact and conduct again. Opening it up and looking for any suspect solder joints -should- be all that is necessary.

>>4130797
Probably just an easy resolder job.

>>4130869
Since the video turns cyan, does that mean it's safe to say that the red signal has a loose connection? I don't want to spend any longer inside a CRT then I have to.

>>4130889
That would be my assumption, yeah. Pretty sure the cables are attached on that model, but it's not impossible for it to be the problem as well.

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>>4130797
>>4130889
Also, my monitor has some cuts in the glass as well as some scuffs in the plastic. I think I can fix the plastic, but how about the screen?

>>4130896
If they're just minor scuffs and nicks, you could potentially try buffing them out, but unless they're going to mentally destroy you, I'd leave them as is.

Any tips for adjusting the yoke on a pvm 2130 and 2950? Do i wear gloves or something?

dynamic convergence needs to be fixed (outer edges)

How much is a fair price for a PVM 20M4U?

>>4131287
Free

An old lady is selling a Trinitron for 10€ on a craigslist type site... waiting for her to tell me the exact model. Wish me luck familia

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Dudes,

I just found this Trinitron in the streets, apparently it's the european version of the KV-14LT1U, I think I did pretty good.

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>>4131323

Really dumb question: if a PVM is advertised at 16:9 despite being a CRT, will it have options to display in 4:3? I thought one of the major reasons to get an old PVM was that they all natively display 4:3

>>4123165
Most appreciated anon!

>>4131489
if it's an HDVS or non-multiformat monitor it's only for 16:9 content. multiformat 16:9 monitors will pillar box 4:3 content, also it may just be a 4:3 display with a 16:9 removable frame.

ive got 2 crt tv's.
Ive tried looking online for one for my old computer or my old systems, but they are all expensive as fuck.

How noticeable is the difference between 600 and 800 scanlines?

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Look at this mid-century teak styling w/ integrated stand. Too expensive though

>>4130751
Whooo-boy! Is that picture ever fucked! Here's the good news: if you aren't afraid of getting bit by electricity, then that is quite fixable. Though you probably won't get it perfect the first time you try unless you're old hat at this.

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How to fix this vertical line? It only shows up with certain colors, but it's always there.

>>4132092
It goes away when I hit it, and then slowly comes back in about 30 seconds

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Is there any PVM or BVM that could be used with a PC?

>>4132176
multiformat monitors

>>4132095
This is gonna sound odd, but are you using an aftermarket power adapter for your console?

>>4130080

Looks like a crt computer monitor with shadow mask and emulated scanlines

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>>4132219
PC CRT running 240p @120Hz
Scanlines aren't emulated

>>4132176
Some have VTR inputs whatever that means

>>4132204
Yes for my super Nintendo, but I think it showed up on my proprietary PS2, I'll check

>>4132248
It is a known issue with aftermarket power adapters for SNES. Im not saying for sure it is the culprit, but it is worth investigating.

I had the same issue with like 4 different SNES power adapters. Eventually I just spliced the original cable back together and it works perfectly:

>>4132246
vtr is composite

So I found a lot of PVM14M2s near me. One of them displays all images as completely yellow no matter what I do to the knob settings. I'm too scared to fuck around with the service menu. It's the same age and from the same hospital as the other two but it's the only one fucked up like that. Any suggestions?

>>4130797
My Dell does this too (it's probably the exact same model) and whenever that happens it's always related to the VGA cable being bent or twisted.

>>4132401
What happens when you press the button marked "Blue Only"?

Would one of these things succeed in outputting a PC's signal to a PVM?
https://www.newegg.com/products/9SIA85V3DJ7045

>>4131287
I just watched one go for $280 in an eBay auction with a $100 flat shipping rate, so if you're like me and live in an area where there is zero chance of a PVM popping up locally, you're going to have to shell out some major dough. Most of the people in this General will circlejerk about how they found 639 BVM-20F's for free and you're just being dumb/not looking in the right places, but unless you're lucky or live in an urban sprawl shithole like LA, you'll probably have to put down at least $300 on a PVM-20m, $200 on a PVM-14m if you're willing to get the same model but a smaller screen.

>>4132889
Produces a B&W image using the blue signal. Used to calibrate tint.

Did JVC make good CRT's?

I'm in Australia and there's a guy in my area selling a 20" JVC InteriArt for $40. It has Component and S-Video

>>4132931
I'm well aware of its function thank you.

I was asking anon specifically to assist in fault-tracing his tint problem i.e if pressing it results in no picture whatsoever his blue electron gun is inoperative.

>>4132932
the studio monitors by JVC are top-notch. Dunno about that InteriArt consumer thing tho.

>>4132895
This link doesn't work for me but whatever it is nothing is going to work without a CRT_Emudriver compatible card

A guy in my neighborhood gave me a portable pvm for free, and I need some help. I'm new to this high fidelity signal stuff and I'm wondering what kind of adapter, assuming there are any, I can use to convert RCA to ypbpr. I've been watching My Life In Gaming videos on rgb and whatnot but some help would be much appreciated. Thanks!

>>4133184
cool beans on the free pvm. pvms use a connector type called BNC, you can buy bnc to rca adapters online, they're p cheap. if you're trying to connect composite cables (the common red white yellow cable) to the ypbpr ports that won't work, you'll need to buy the appropriate ypbpr cables for consoles that support it.

>>4133235
Alright, I guess I'll be looking out for that special GameCube video cable then. Thanks a ton, I started collecting portable crts and I'm looking for the smallest one I can find, so I guess I'll be looking into diy and second hand shops for now.

>>4132932
JVC is good stuff, for sure.

>>4133252
>guess I'll be looking out for that special GameCube video cable then
Unless you neeeeed to be able to play the GBPlayer over component, a Wii is a much much cheaper option than getting a pair of DOL009 or DOL010 cables, and with very little difference in terms of quality.

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Heres my contribution. Sony PVM 1953MD Picked it up not too long ago I love this thing.

>>4126562
Try a smartphone app like Peel Smart Remote. There are a few others. Can be a pain to set up, but i've had them work on a few older sets.

>>4132176
Any of them, just make the PC output 15kHz.

>>4132895
http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

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Just scored this 29 inches KV29FS105 to make a big company with my BVM14G5U

https://youtu.be/B-7f19wE_VA

Damm for a consumer TV the picture quality is simply superb, not as sharp as the BVM but some games looks quite as good

Just picked myself up a Naomi Universal cab with a Sanwa 29PFX (tri-sync). Shes a fucking beaut.

Only got the tube, still waiting on the chassis as its in the repair shop waiting on new caps.

Will post pics when its online.

>>4132057
I tried to fix it by miself but couldn't do much for it, is there a tutorial somewhere fot this?

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Is it just me or like... why do my games just sorta look crap on my CRT? I might just be jadded but I mean it just... there's no detail! The sign is all a big smush when from this distance (I didn't get it in the photo sorry) in-game, and same when looking at the screen directly from afar.

Maybe there's something wrong with my Trinitron, or something I can do to get it sharper overall or?

>>4133976
N64

>>4133981
Is that why...? It's over the standard N64 video/audio cable...

>>4133985
It's widely known for having some of the mushiest video output in gaming.

Okay my mans I was just wondering if I picked up an old ATI card that supports 15khz via soft15khz, could I plug my computer into my CRT TV through VGA to component and have my shit be looking crisp and clean?

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My 25xbr now running through rgb

>>4134125
Windows is hard to use at 240p

>>4133985
Do yourself a favor and get an S-video cable. Not as big of a jump from composite to SCART, but SCART modding an N64 is very complicated/expensive compared to other consoles, and the jump from composite to s-video is still pretty sizeable

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>>4134167
A few more

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>>4134470
There's some geometry issues and convergence issues I still have to fix once I work up the nerve to open up the back.

>>4132246
Video
Tape
Recorder

>>4134462
Any suggested cables? I Know there's probably hundreds out there, but if there's something specific that's good, I'd appreciate a name drop.

Also, I'm guessing audio is handled by the regular composite cables still, or?

>>4134493
>Any suggested cables? I Know there's probably hundreds out there, but if there's something specific that's good, I'd appreciate a name drop.
They're a bit pricey ($30-$40), but I'd import the official Nintendo s-video cable from Japan. Those and Monster cables are by far the best S-video cables, but unfortunately Monster are impossible to find anymore. That said, it's not quite like GameCube component cables where only the official cable will even work due to the microchip in the cable, so if $30 is too much for a cable, most third party cables on eBay will do a decent (though noticeable subpar compared to official/monster) job. Still an upgrade over composite for sure.
>Also, I'm guessing audio is handled by the regular composite cables still, or?
Correct, most S-video cables come with the S-video cable itself (usually a 4 pin but occasionally 7 or 9) and standard red/white audio cables. Some even come with a yellow cable, but those are unnecessary if the s-video connector is hooked up.

Are PVMs really worth it if you don't own the original hardware?

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What the hell is wrong with my monitor, what can cause these weird vertical bars, i rarely use it, used it last time about a month ago and it was fine

Do M and L-series PVMs have noticeable input lag? Especially given I'm going to need a BNC to component/scart/svideo adapter for all of my consoles to play on it

Hey /VR/ I currently run a CRT Emudriver setup with ine of these converters https://www.amazon.com/SPECIALTY-AV-SCART-Component-Converter-Genesis/dp/B004XSSDPO and it works nearly perfectly save for one small issue. There is a very faint rolling static in my picture. I know this is not a TV issue as all my other consoles display fine. I currently have ordered another converter box trying to narrow down the issue but is there any other suggestions as to what could be causing this and if it could possibly even be my scart of component cable?

My TV cuts off a significant portion of the sides of the image, but when I use the 240p test suite, it says I only have 1 pixel of overscan. What could be the culprit? Is there some kind of horizontal zoom setting? I'm missing?

Also, what is the difference between VEAMP and V-S? They both seem to affect the vertical size of the image.

>>4134930
Different consoles will put out slightly different images. Make your overscan area larger and you'll notice it less, most games take into account that you'll have some overscan.

>>4134965
Games display perfectly fine, it's just video content that seems to have the issue (namely anime with subs that are too wide). I know the rest of the picture is there because adjusting the H-POS to slide the image around reveals more of it, but I don't know how to get it all on the screen.

Can we talk about 480p here?

From what I've read, 480p is best either on certain expensive PVMs or Trinitrons through YPbPr or on crt computer monitors using something like a Garo to convert YPbPr to VGA.

I'm not looking to spend PVM amounts of money and I don't want a huge ass 32" behemoth. What are some smaller/affordable YPbPr 480p TVs and VGA monitors that would fit what I'm looking for? I have an old Gateway VGA monitor that works but it's a little on the big side. I think 13" to 16" would be perfect.

>>4133837
>is there a tutorial somewhere fot this?

Text-based only. Download the General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide in the 1st post of the thread and read the entire thing. Even the things you don't think apply or confuse you (for now). Also search manualslib.com for the service manual for that particular model because it will contain lots of specific information particular to that set which will be useful.

Also, the best way to figure this out in my limited experience is to do it. It gets quicker and easier as you learn. What took me a full day from mid-morning until well into the evening (and produced lackluster results the first time) now takes me an hour tops and I barely need to touch the service menu when finished (except to adjust overscan for preference mostly). I've done this a handful of times now, counting the ones when I went back and re-did a set I had previously adjusted but still had issues. It just clicks eventually.

>>4134223
So is the answer yes? I just wanna play PS1/SNES games and have them look good af.

Two BVM-D9H5Us in a rack mount for £70/$90US.

Good deal or not?

>>4135175
9 inches is way too small for that price, use the money to get 13" or 14" at least

>>4135204
Idk, $45 for a 9" is pretty good really.

>>4135204
Yeah but Multiformat

Also I've already got CRTs ranging from 15" up to 29".

For snes, should i buy a svideo cable ($15) , buy one of those retrovision cables (apparantly around $50?) Or should i just buy a component cable for my wii and emulate via VC?

Extremely New to this whole CRT/perfect picture for retro games thing (I've always just put up with how shit my old consoles look on HDTVs). Just bought a PVM 14M4U and am keeping an eye out for a 20L5 for GameCube/Wii. I feel like this is quite a rabbit hole I'll be going down soon

Safety measures for working with the chassis/fixing the convergence?

>>4122657
After reading some of the autistic shit that people have responded with, I've decided that CRTs are a gay outdated meme. Besides how fucking crisp do you need your NES game to look? I thought CRTs were good for retro because they fuzz the image and blend and bloom the low res pixel art. Just use a couple shaders in Retroarch or be happy with your CRT, why add all this stress to your life?

>>4134704
No more than any other CRT, which is as low as it gets.

>>4134846
That thing is known to be low quality. I'd have guess it scales everything to 480i, but the FAQ does say it passes resolution straight through? is that right? Shame about the noise then. I'd check for filter caps across the power supply rails... and after that IDK.

>>4135359
yes.

>>4135369
There are a few, yes.

>>4135617
It's called a hobby. Look that up. We don't spend thousands fixing up old cars, or collecting tube amps. We obsess over picture quality and CRTs. Deal with it.

>>4134694
Yeah, nasty. I have a CRT with a vaguely similar issue, NFI what's causing it. Would love to know, if you do find out. Sorry.

>>4134694
I don't see any vertical bars but the horizontal ones look pretty bad.

It's a shame Sony didn't just end with barrel Trinitrons. All the FDs seem to be poorly engineered and built down to a price.

>>4135650

its either an IC, transitor or bad capacitors on the neck board, cause the bars move around if I move objects with different color schemes around

>>4135704

>All the FDs seem to be poorly engineered and built down to a price.

haha yea right the Sony fw900 is poorly engineered built down to a price, take your lies elsewhere

>>4135617
No input lag you fucking pleb, ppl who are bad at games don't notice it though.

>>4135704
Looks more like a GDM-400/500ps to me anyway.

>>4135709
The FW900 is nothing special, quality-wise. Unique maybe but not in the same league as a Barco or Eizo.

FDs as a whole tend to have well-documented and epidemic faults such as drifting G2 voltage and unfixable geometry flaws. It's a stopgap technology rushed out and never fully developed. The whole display market was moving away from CRTs in any case so why would Sony throw money down the drain on R&D for a soon to be obsolete technology?

>>4135175
Actually that's not too bad. Little multiformat gems.

I'm trying to buy a Trinitron from an old woman who's selling it online for 10€ and it's taking her 3 fuckin days already to tell me the damn model. Nobody tells you about taking advantage of morons who dont know better selling stuff for cheap, and that is: you're gonna have to deal with those morons

>>4135819
Nice entitlement there, bitch

>>4135829
how am I entitled exactly?

>>4135838
If you feel the need to complain about someone who doesn't care about CRTs and is selling the thing dirt cheap not telling you the exact model number at your convenience you are acting entitled.

Why don't you get your mum to drive you round there so you can investigate it yourself? She might even foot the bill to stop you whining like a little brat.

>>4135819
Are you fucking kidding me? Just pick up the TV

>>4135164
Yeah if your PC can drive the display correctly it'll look great.

>>4135845
I'm giving her all the time in the world (3 days so far) to look at the back of the TV and tell me the model. The alternative is make her be at her house at a certain hour for me to check the TV and potentially waste her time if I end up not picking it up, which is a worse situation for both her and me. Anyway you seem pretty steamed about this whole situation so I'll just let you know if I end up getting the thing

>>4135872
Is $10 too much to risk for you? If it is, you should probably be focusing your priorities elsewhere for the time-being. Just buy it, or don't; don't waste this old lady's time. She almost certainly just wants it out of the house and you're just being a pain in the ass over something wholly inconsequential. If you don't like it afterwards, you put it on the curb for another /vr/-trooper to appreciate.

>>4134972
Update in case anyone searches the archives for a similar problem. The PS3 I'm watching videos through seems to be the culprit, as the same video displays perfectly fine with no overscan on the Wii. I can't find any settings on the PS3 to fix this, so I might end up setting it to widescreen mode and just adjusting the horizontal width of the TV to compensate for the letterboxing. I'd watch the videos on the Wii, but the homebrew media players all drop frames on anything I throw at them, and the PS3's component signal seems much clearer than my Wii's (which is using Monster cables).

tl;dr watch videos through something other than a PS3 if you don't want overscan issues on your CRT

>>4135963
360 plays nicer with CRTs based on my wholly anecdotal evidence of using both in college on a Trinitron over component.

>>4135978
Actually, now that I think about it, I beat the 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII (yeah, I know) on a 13" RF Sears TV with a composite to RF converter before I got that Trinitron while in college. And that shit was forced into widescreen, too.

I try to get official cables when I can, because even though they're expensive, they often have a noticeable upgrade in quality (in particular for Nintendo s-video and Nintendo component). However, I can't find official NTSC Nintendo SCART cables *anywhere*. What NTSC SCART cables do you reccomend, in particular for SNES? Anyone have experience with these?

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/super-nintendo-entertainment-system-famicom-snes-n64-rgb-av-scart-cable-ntsc-tv-lead-wire-cord?tracking=5543fb4c077bb

>>4135647
It doea pass through all resolutions like the description says. I'll check what you mentioned because it makes sense it could me something with the power supply as there seems to be some sort of short in the cable I have to place it very specifically to keep the power coming through

>>4135978
Well a trinitron is an arcade monitor. Best thing for games.

>>4136208
I mean it was a consumer WEGA, but yes, it was a better set.

So I've found myself my ultimate goal CRT for GameCube/ps2/Wii: a PVM-20L5. The problem is, the manual says it doesn't display 240p, it displays 240p signals as 480i. This is fine for those non-retro consoles as I'll be playing them in 480p anyway (the whole point of getting an L-series), but now I don't know what I'll do with my genesis/nes/snes/64. Is there an easy way to get the 20L5 to display 240p properly, or do I need to get an additional CRT for those consoles?

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>>4122159
sup guys, I recently picked up an fw900 for $350, was it a good deal?

I finally managed to correct my TV's geometry and calibrate the brightness/contrast/colors as close to perfectly as I can manage to get, and things look better on it than they do on my calibrated IPS monitor, mostly thanks to the black level. I finally fully appreciate the CRT meme.

>>4136289
Technically retro consoles output a 15khz (480i60) signal without the half-scanline that tells the monitor it's an interlaced signal. In the absence of the half-scanline, the image is displayed progressively. 240p was never an official video standard, so there's no reason to advertise it on the PVM feature list.

If it can accept a 15khz signal, it can display 240p.

>>4136469
That is very helpful to know, thank you. It accepts 15khz so I should be good

It's done (I think):
https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY

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>>4136549
Nice, time to hit up Mouser/Digikey.

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>>4136549
W0W!

Massive props to you, anon!

Is there any difference between a PVM and CRT monitor running at 240p120Hz?

>>4136834
Not really.

Hope you guys don't mind a really stupid question, but when I plug in my PSOne Slim with SCART I don't get any audio. Does this output audio via SCART?

>>4136208
>Well a trinitron is an arcade monitor
wtf dude? No arcade in the known universe ever used an aperture grille crt...

>>4134637
You mean for emulation? Yes, definitely worth it. You have to f-around with your emulators a bit more to get a raw, original resolution image, but IMO the end result is great.

>>4134125
>>4135164
see
>>4133435

Five posts above and you didn't even read it.

Anons, am I crazy?

I am looking at either a
https://www.cnet.com/products/viewsonic-e790-crt-monitor-19-series/specs/

or a
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~kellyann/desktop/monitorspecs.html

For $120 or $160 respectively.


there's some dell 15" locally too, and they are cheap, but I don't think i could handle a screen that small.

>>4137569
And the local market seems to suck. Everything gets vacuumed up by hipsters or recyclers if it's cheap.

Everything else is ebay prices. The above mentioned are at least going to be pickups so I don't need to pay ebay shipping.

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>>4137279
Okay, I am starting to get the impression that my PVM does not support audio over RGB. In that case, would something like this work to get audio from my machine?

>>4137591
Okay mang, tell us EXACTLY what you have going on as far as console, cables, display, etc. That will help us.

>>4137569
Get the Viewsonic. Cheaper, better dot pitch, slightly better H-sync rate.

Pvm 8041q / 1450qm / 9041qm / 9020me / 1440qm / 1371qm / 9040me /
Do any of these support 31Khz?

So do I really need to buy a specific old gpu and a specific version of an ancient program to output 15KHz out of my PC?

>>4137759
No. Just get an AMD card with analog out and crt emudriver.

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I found this Samsung 1080i 32" on CL for $25.
Picture quality and speakers are great
The problem lies with the fact that when I turn it on, it defaults to Wide mode all the time. Secondly, when using SCART to Component, I'm seeing it cut off the top and the right side. From what it looks like, the picture is getting pushed to the upper right, as it persists even when making it 4:3

Also for some reason, I can only access Component by going to the menus and not normal A/V switching

>>4137759
see
>>4137564
>>4133435
or even
>>4137834
Ffs.

>>4137656
no.

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Just picked up these two trinitrons for free. Quite happy as I'm moving house in a fortnight so these can go in the game room I've got planned.

>>4138160
Okay, are any of those models worth buying anyway?

>>4137656
Complete list of Sony multiformat monitors:
PVM 14L5 and 20L5
BVMs whose model numbers begin with D
BVMs whose model numbers begin with A

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I just got a Viewsonic E90f, the picture looks good but I notice a bit of distortion, the squares on the right looks deformed or is my imagination?

>>4138596
Needs H-LIN adjusting

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Is $75 too much for a kv-27xbr10?

>>4138861
whoa those are some realistic looking graphics

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tfw poorly shielded cables

are mid-late 90s Trinitron monitors good for pc vidya? I found an old CPD-15SF2 in my attic that still works

My brights are too bright and my darks are too dark, how do I fix this?

>>4139419
Reduce picture/contrast, increase black level/brightness. Use 240p Test Suite patterns set to "Full Range RGB" to adjust.

>>4139242
Is it 14 inch one?

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>>4137598
I have a KV-1311CR. It accepts RGB through a 34 pin floppy connector. The Previous owner gave me this green cable pictured that adapts SCART to this strange 34 pin RGB format. When I switch my TV to RGB mode, I hear only white noise. There is also a white RCA cable for I am assuming mono audio, but I hear absolutely nothing when I plug it into any audio source, so I am confused about what exactly it is for. (I would prefer stereo audio, anyway). I have a PSOne Slim which outputs via the AV Multi Out, which I have a SCART cable hooked up to. Also, my TV has mono audio, but I'd rather use external speakers. If this >>4137591 adapter does what I think it does, I could use it to get audio out of SCART for my external speakers.

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>>4139453

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Any of you guys know how to reset the settings on a Panasonic TC-21FX32LA?

It was probably released under another serial in other regions (I'm in South America)

Why do emulated scanlines not look as good as the real thing?
We have a lot of CRT shaders trying to replicate composite and other shit but none that tries to look good instead of a blurry mess

>>4139462
Thanks!

>>4139453
On the 34 pin connector do you see a cable going from pin 1 to pin 34 (top left to bottom right)?

>>4139430
Yeah, 14m2u
happening to you too?

>>4138261
Yes, the 1440 is worth mb $40, the rest no more than $20ea.

>>4139756
soz, 1440 or 1450 are ok.

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>>4139463
This is the TV (not my picture but same model)

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BALL OF ANGER

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full extent of the jam

>>4138861
nice saab

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>>4140298
Get the XGM Player; Works a lot better and looks better to boot.

>>4140318
but i like my dead fish

>>4139463
http://factory-reset.com/wiki/Panasonic_TV_Factory_Reset

>>4139453
First off, congrats. That's an awesome little set.

You're not going to get a stable picture out of a standard PlayStation as the console outputs composite video as sync and your TV only accepts raw composite sync; you'll need a sync stripper somewhere in the signal line. You'll also need to switch the input on the TV from digital to analog which on your current setup should result in a picture which rolls and jumps all over the place due to the sync incompatibility.

The adaptor you mentioned will allow you to break out stereo audio to an external amp/speaker combination. I'd recommend getting one, opening it up and installing this compact sync stripper circuit to fix all your issues in one compact, transportable unit:

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/SYNC-SEPARATOR-CIRCUIT-BOARD-LM1881-COMPOSITE-SYNC-CSYNC-PCB-STRIPPER

Hey lads im new to this whole crt thing. Are beovisions good tvs? Theres 2 for sale at a pawnshop near me one is 4:3 the other is 16:9. I'll take some pictures of them later.

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>>4140582
Check out this thread on shmups: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43861

The consensus seems to be that while the image quality is good, it can't compete with the Trinitron tubes when it comes to sharpness and vibrancy. Personally though I like the softer, less scanlined look of the shadow mask - it comes down to personal preference. The contrast screen can be removed or replaced with clear/less tinted plexiglass to improve vibrancy/brightness at the cost of contrast/black levels, but I haven't played with that yet.

The big bonus here is that they are SEXY as hell. Great design, really, especially the white one. Also the built-in audio is usually of great quality.

When you get one, make sure it has a newer version chassis (check the label on the back, SW 3.4+ is considered good), they have better image quality and can enter the service menu without adding a switch to the hardware. Also ABSOLUTELY make sure you get a proper remote with it. Universal remotes will most likely not work with the B&O sets as they use a special IR standard, additionally they often lack controls on the TV itself. Preferably get a Beo4 remote, but the Beolink1000 may also work. They are expensive when sold individually, so make sure the remote comes with the TV.

That being said, they are very decent, stylish sets and I am satisfied with my white MX4000 so far (pic is not mine), although I haven't had time to configure it properly yet.

>>4140608
>hammer & sickle hat

lol what a fag. it's especially hilarious considering you're obviously a braindead consumer of corporate produced media. sad part is you're probably extremely vocal about you uninformed opinions even though the only reason you have them is to pretend you're smarter you really are and more moralistic than you've ever been yourself. Novelty seeking naval-gazers like you are the ruination of society

>>4140643
>and I am satisfied with my white MX4000 so far (pic is not mine), although I haven't had time to configure it properly yet.

I want to say the anon who originally posted it said their brother gave it to them, but whatever; It'd help if you actually read the posts you decide to respond to.

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>>4140643
Holy fuck you slowpoke.

We already discussed this days ago.

>>4139312
For emulation they're ridiculously good. Some of them can do 480p@120hz and use black frame insertion for the best emulation experience possible.

For newer stuff they can be great for their motion quality if they can do high resolutions. I use a Dell p990 (trinitron tube) from that period and it looks glorious

>>4140643
As I said, pic is not mine. Anon in the thread said it was a gift to him. (see >>4140649 and >>4140652)

>DIFFERING POLITICAL VIEWS DETECTED
>ENGAGE INCOHERENT RAMBLING
>RAMBLING IS GO
You're a triggered idiot.

>>4136328
yes holy shit

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what the hell is wrong with my sony fw900

it was working just fine and now this happened and its not the cable cause even when it says no signal its the same

could someone help me here,I do have some knowledge of electronics and crts, it looks like someone in the rgb area

Anyone here have a NetTV DTV34XRT/Sampo SME-32DL5? Just heard about them today, and am really interested in finding one locally.

>>4141162
Did you clean the contacts with alcohol?

>>4141162
FW900s are notorious for high failure rates and problems randomly popping up.

Don't know why.

>>4141162
Looks like you've got something pretty serious going on internally.

Probably needs a full capacitor replacement to begin with.

>>4141334
It's because FD Trinitrons were cost-cut pieces of shit.

Sorry naysayers but it's absolutely true.

>>4141334
What the fuck why does everybody hail this monitor as the pinnacle of pc CRT's if it's failure rate is unusually high

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any suggestions to fix the edge on my KV-1370R? Will it get worse over time?

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>>4141414
Nice numbers, pal.
I don't get that, either. Like, why that model in particular? There are plenty of other high resolution CRT monitors you can get for cheaper.

>>4141414
Because they're idiots. The only thing the FW900 has going for it is that it's widescreen. The Eizo F980 is arguably the best PC CRT ever made, but there are plenty of other 4:3 CRTs that best the FW900 in terms of Hsync rates and dot pitch.

>>4141489
this, replaced my broken FW900 for Iiyama 514

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>>4141162
>he fell for the meme

>>4141317
>>4141334
>>4141340
>>4141346
>>4141414


i would guess either capacitors on neck-board or any chip/ic between the input and the crt pins-to-neck-board is faulty, cause all the deflection,HV,picture size is steady clear and ok, only these weird bars that change on colors

If I take it to a electronic service would they even take a look at it or would they laugh at me and refuse it ,cause its pretty low hour and the picture quality is well was amazing last time I used it ??

>>4141414
Alternating numbers confirms

FW900 a shit

All of my retro consoles use composite cable, I'm thinking of upgrading to component to play on crt since framemeister/scart is beyond my budget, what do you guys think?

>>4141861
is there a way to import cheap European sets? Is that a thing?
You'd get RGB scart cables for those consoles which hook up straight in to the TV, but then you'd need a power converter for the TV itself.
Component is the way to go if my pie in the sky plan isn't gonna work.

>>4141931
I don't think you could run NTCS games with a cheap Eurpean set.
I live in Spain and I couldn't run 60hz games, they all looked grey until I got an LCD.

Will emulated scanlines look good on OLED?

>>4135617
>stress to your life
Its a fun hobby, and hey, want a lcd/crt comparison? Go into an arcade and find machines with lcs replacements.

>>4142043
no, no amount of contrast, or even resolution at this point can emulate the look of an actual shadow mask because its a physical thing.

>>4142148
I thought only scanlines made the games look better
If that were the case then why don't you all go for composite or s-video instead of RGB?

>>4142148
You could emulate that reasonably well, if you had some ridiculous resolution like 40000x30000. We're not quite there yet.

I'd like to do something better with my Dreamcast, but I'm not sure that I have room for another monitor. Is getting a VGA to HDMI upscaler a viable option or should I just bite the bullet and clear some space?

Are games that use dithering quite a bit meant to be played through composite? E.g. Metal Gear Solid, composite blurs the textures quite a bit more than SCART does.

>>4141861
Framemeister/scart is bullshit. Go component and don't give it a second thought. Component > anything else

>>4142625
Guess that's what I'm doing, thanks.

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>>4140582
>>4140608
Cheers for the advice
Heres the picture i promised which one would you recommend?

>>4140608
>>4142792
The big one is sw 4.0 medium 1.0 and small 2.0. All 3 are £35 each

>>4142016
All PAL Trinitrons I had since 1997 had RGB SCART and also supported 60 Hz NTSC through composite as well.

>>4142795
The two smaller ones will likely require you to open the chassis to access the service menu, so only proceed if you are comfortable dealing with high voltage.

Personally I'd go for the biggest one. What model number is that? Did you remember the remote?

£35 sounds a bit steep. Did you check other sources, such as ebay and the likes? Here in germany, they can usually be had for less, often for free.

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>>4142818
Why would i want to access the serice menu? And yeah i got the remote?
Pic is the lable to the biggest one.

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>>4142861
So it's a Beovision Avant. I don't know how good those are for gaming, but as far as quality goes, it should be fine. Most info on B&O televisions for gaming out on the net regards the MX line.

The service menu will let you fix issues in screen geometry, which can range from subtle to very, very annoying.

Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask.

I found my old CRT and intend to use it for retro gaming. The problem is that it only has composite and s-video inputs, and I have PAL Nintendo consoles which apparently don't output to s-video.

I would really like to know if there is an adaptor or converter to allow me to use my s-video ports, or whether I need to go hunting for a CRT with component inputs.

Thanks in advance everyone.

So I've been unable to find an answer to this question online: I've managed to get a hold of a JVC TM-170G from my work. It's beautiful, but it only takes composite and S-video. I'd be loathe to use composite on such a nice display.

Is there any way I can get S-video from my RGB SCART cables? I use PAL consoles. I know SCART can carry S-video so if I plug it into the display with a passive adapter will it just use S-video?

Cheers guys

>>4143019
You mean TM-A170G?

In any case console leads generally only carry one type of signal. In the case of SCART this would almost certainly be RGB (with composite video on pin 20 unless it's wired for C-Sync or has an LM1881 sync stripper circuit)

tl;dr: you'll likely need dedicated s-video cables. Sorry.

>>4142992
>>4143019
SCART cables carry S-video, so adapters for Scart to S-video is all you need

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>>4143046

>>4143042
>>4143046
Is anyone in the position to check for me? I don't have any of my gear with me at the moment.

>>4143307
Maybe if you tell us which console(s), OEM or third party cables etc we can give you a better idea but essentially what I said in >>4143042 holds true.

>>4143327
SNES and PS1 please. I use third party cheapish SCART RGB cables.

It looks like there are active converters for around £60gbp online for anyone interested.

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>>4143330
Neither of those will carry s-video on the cables you have.

You can get official PS3 s-video cables on eBay UK for £1.80, I'd suggest one of those for your PlayStation. No idea about recommended SNES cables, sorry.

>>4143351
>You can get official PS3 s-video cables on eBay UK for £1.80

Nice, I was thinking of getting an rgb scart cable for my PS1, but for that price I'll try s-video first.

>>4143469
The PlayStation's S-Video output is so good I reckon you'd be hard pushed to notice the jump to RGB anyhow. This is coming from someone who generally games on a BVM.

Those cables are one of the biggest bargains in retro gaming if you ask me, now they're down to £1.70.

>>4142468
pls respond

>>4143564
just get the vga crt you dong, you won't regret it

Damn, there is a guy selling a tri-tube Sony CRT projector for 80€ near me, and I could be kinda tempted, even If I have no need for this.
are these kind of thing good for vidya ? What about LD/DVD ?

>>4143565
Fair enough, thanks for the input

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>>4143573
You're welcome friend.

>>4142625
RGB scart is better though

But in the US, this is probably your best bet outside of professional monitors.

>>4143651
>RGB scart is better though
Depends. It's objectively better than RF, Composite and s-video, but component/YPbPr is also "technically" a step up from RGB SCART. That said, YPbPr is designed for HDTVs, whereas RGB SCART is designed for SDTVs, so it really just depends what tv you're playing on.

I have a multiformat SD/HD PVM so I tend to go with component when possible and SCART otherwise

>>4143681
Stop confusing signal formats and connector types.

It's really fucking annoying.

Tomorrow im picking up a white IBM P275 (6653 t3n) crt monitor which is a 22" 2048x1536 flatscreen crt monitor with vga and dvi

will I do good /vr/ ??

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>>4143718
>white
Meh

Pic is 288p running on a black P260

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>>4143718
Oh yeah and the DVI is DVI-A only. Basically just HD15 VGA with a different connector.

Just so you know.

>>4143725
I also know that dvi cause its digital has more input lag so vga is better either way

a lot of mean people on /vr/ these days,summer must of started, summerfags

>>4143703
Sorry, did I offend your autism? 99% of people know what I'm talking about looking at my post

>>4143749

I dont and im diff. anon

>>4143737
But DVA-A And VGA are the same thing.

>>4143737
DVI-A isn't digital though. That's my point.

Not being mean at all. It's just that the whole DVI variant thing is a confusing ballache and I didn't want you to go through what I did when I picked up my P260 15 years ago.

>>4143749
I love how being correct now = autism (a meaningless buzzmeme which is embarassing to all concerned, especially the idiocrat spouting it)

Party on, dude!

>>4143769
I literally forgot to type RGB one time before SCART in my last sentence and you got triggered by it. That's pretty bad.

YPbPr is a signal type, as are RGB and S-video. I stated in my post that YPbPr is a better signal than rgb (it is) and that RGB is a better signal than S-video (it is). I don't see what I did wrong that upset you, your majesty

>>4143785
YPbPr is an objectively inferior signal type actually.

It's more efficient in bandwidth-constrained applications but all things being equal RGB is, and always will be, king of the hill.

>>4143721
>>4143725
>>4143758
>>4143763


I have a Lacie 22 electron and can do same resolution and that monitor is insanely nice

so this IBM will be too and I also like the IBM logo cause of the model m, the guy says its low hour use which would be nice too

>>4143785
Oh and there's no need to mention RGB in relation to SCART at all. It is the primary signal type used by that connector and is baked into the specification.

Use one or the other, it doesn't matter. Do people go round saying YPbPr RCA or BNC? No, they do not because it is essentially redundant to do so.

>>4143797
It depends on what monitor you're using, hence me bringing that up in my first post. If the monitor supports 480p, YPbPr is always better. Otherwise, it's subjective taste. Either way, youre moving the goalposts entirely from your first incorrect complaint/reply to avoid looking like the ass that you are.

>>4143824
>Oh and there's no need to mention RGB in relation to SCART at all
Then why the fuck did you bitch about me saying SCART instead of RGB in the first place you fucking weasel?

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>>4143812
Yeah my P260 has been in storage for some time as the anti-reflective film got scratched and then removed my myself.

I replaced it in my setup with an EB22IV too.

>>4143831
I didn't.

That was your assumption matey.

>>4143840
So point out where I "confused connector types and signal types" then, that would have been the only place.

I'm waiting.

>>4143825
No retro system natively supports 480p over YPbPr though. Only RGB.

>>4143825
>It depends on what monitor you're using
With absolutely any CRT display, how is converting from red, green, blue and sync to Luma/Sync, difference of luma and blue, and the difference between luma and red, and then back to RGBS better than having RGB straight from the video processor to the red, green and blue tubes in the set with a separate sync signal?

>>4143853
>No retro system natively supports 480p over YPbPr though. Only RGB.

A very fair point, but I use my CRT for non-retro consoles as well (GameCube, Wii, PS2) and since CRTs that can support 480p exist I feel it's at least worth bringing up.

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>>4143878
>he uses an HDCRT for SD content

>>4143878
ps2 can do 480p in RGsB
and unlike the GC it processes graphics in the RGB space

https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/ele/d/sony-trinitron-perfect-for/6228133552.html

Is anyone able to identify the model of Trinitron this is, or if its even worthwhile to look at?

>>4143991
Shit like that's only good if you're going for a period accurate NES setup and actually think that shit looks good. Just go for a modern trinitron if you're not an autist.

>>4144038
I just want something with a quality amount of inputs. I like the style that has all the tiny knobs on the front, like the studio/broadcast monitors. However, I really just want something with quality color, image and sound for VHS anime and snes/ps1.

>>4143907

What's wrong with you? He's doing it right, if you're going to use non-HD systems on an HDTV, it should be CRT. It works just as well as an SD CRT.

>>4144045
Okay well that's an 80's trinitron that's obviously mono and will support composite and RF and that's it. It might not even do composite. You would be best off getting a WEGA or 90's trinitron that support component like an XBR.

>>4143572
Depends on the model and condition of the tubes. 80€ is kind of iffy for anything that isn't a somewhat more recent projector with good tubes.

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I got a Bang & Olufsen MX4000 that I'm really happy with.

>>4143681
Even then the difference between the two on SD tv's is incredibly minuscule. Components durability and ease of use to find adaptors connectors etc makes it the better of the two

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Is the Amiga 1080 monitor able to accept VGA from a PC?