Behold, the only good original Master System games. >inb4

>mentioning how a game didn't "age well"
>on /vr/ of all places

>>4093220
Are you implying all old games age poorly?

>>4093140
Phantasy Star actually aged quite well, especially dungeons.

>>4093225
No, he's saying how you're complaining on how bad a game ages on a retro games board.

>>4093229
So? Certain games age better and worse than others. Deal with it.

>>4093226
>especially dungeons.
Bullshit.

You either have to look at a guide or draw a map because the dungeons have absolutely no features, once you stop being wowed by the 3D effect they suck.

>>4093237
Meh the combat was pretty boring too.

>>4093140
>JRPGs have aged like avocados.

>Final Fantasy 4, 6
>Breath of Fire 2-4
>Lunar 1 & 2

>>4093237
>or draw a map
that's the point, dipshit

>>4093242
You should be able to play dungeons from memory, not have to draw them.

>>4093241
All shitty games.

>>4093250
>making maps isn't fun
geez kids these days

>>4093140
Troll thread

>>4093258
Go back to bed, gramps.

>>4093237
> draw a map
That's the point. Phantasy Star 1 has lots of problems, but the dungeons are great. Being able to actually get lost for non-bullshit reasons is fun.

>>4093140
That's not Fantasy Zone.

>>4093250
How does it feel to be officially retarded? We don't need children giving their baby opinions on games that were released before they were born. PS1 holds up amazingly well.

>>4093250
Jesus Christ

>>4093140
>have aged like *
Way to completely invalidate all of your own opinions.

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>>4093140
*clears throat*

>>4093308
>>4093962
Arcade conversions. Not original.

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git fucked

>>4093140
Video games don't age. You do.

What about Ninja Gaiden and Master of Darkness?

>>4094141
Former is good, latter is a worse Castlevania.

>>4094153
It's at least better than Castlevania IV.

>>4094154
CVIV at least does not rape my ears..

>>4093140
>games age
Kill yourself fag

>>4093237
>I can't handle the dungeons therefore they suck
But it is, in fact, you who sucks. You can do it without maps if you're man enough.

>>4094308
>You can do it without maps if you're man enough.

Fuck man, I don't know. Medusa's Tower and Baya Malay were mother-fuckers even after I had them mostly mapped out. Dat brootle RNG.

Action Fighter is cool.

>>4094308
Is your life so sad you have to lie about videogame accomplishments on the internet to strangers?

>>4093250

Why dontcha go design your own game with dungeons all in a straight line so you don't get lost in them.

>>4094626

Because EA will do it for him?

>>4093140
>aged like avocados
You mean they're hard bitter pieces of shit that only become edible after sitting around long enough? Fucking epic that millennials don't know how avocados work considering they spend their money on them instead of a house. kek

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>Left out because turn-based JRPGs have aged like avocados.

>>4094626
That wasn't his point, retard. Have you even played Phantasy Star? Dungeons have zero details, making it very easy to get lost in them. If you're going to design dungeons, they should at least have some interesting scenery.

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>>4094667
nuh uh

jrpgs didn't "age badly", they were always shit

>>4094706
This.

>>4093263

>he hasn't played etrian odyssey

>>4093140
Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Alex Kidd in Shinobi World ( we need romhacks with more levels for this one)
Golvellius: Valley of Doom
Land of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse (one of THE BEST 8-bit games)
Castle of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse
Ninja Gaiden (easier than the NES games but fun)
Sonic the Hedgehog (different enough from the genesis version)

These are all very good games that everyone should have played at least once. There are still many more SMS games that are worthwhile but I agree that they may not be as enjoyable to people who never had the console. Master System also had some rad ports.

Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar (best version of IV period.)
Bubble Bobble (veeery good port)
Ghostbusters (awesome genre mix. NES version was trash too.)

>>4094735
Autofill maps itself for you, you just have to place doors

OP is right. If menu-driven combat were still good design, the FFVII remake would have kept it.

>>4094735
Having played Etrian Odyssey and greatly loving making maps in that, are there any good apps or programs I could use for making maps similarly for other first-person dungeon crawlers without having to break out the graph paper?

The Ninja, Zillion, and the Sonic games (which are completely original games that just share the names of the mega drive ones) are all good.

>>4093237
>or draw a map
The HORROR!

>>4093978
Fantasy Zone 2 then.

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>>4093140
>Right

Is this a fucking jojo reference?

R Type

>>4094736
Don't feed him

Do people actually write stuff down when playing games? How autistic do you have to be to do that?

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>>4094736
>Ghostbusters

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>>4093140
I think your post is silly.

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Nigga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt4wo_oaEbM

>>4095603

That shit was standard in the 80s. You try winning Ultima IV without making some notes along the way, you're gonna have a bad time.

>>4095603
I used to write shit down all the time when I played games back then. Things like easter eggs, cheats, level codes, how to get past a tricky level. Nowadays all you have to do is take a very cursory glance at a site like GameFAQs and you'll find out pretty much anything.

>>4095603
Because that was half the fun. Remember that RPGs derived from boardgames.

>>4095603
It's probably quite frustrating to be lazy and stupid, so I'll forgive your worthless shitposting

Traps are gay even IF they're dragons.

>>4095683
*tips fedora*

>>4093250
Agree

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>>4093250
>Memorizing maze-like layouts in really old dungeon crawler RPG games
Good luck

>>4095685
Traps are Transsexual.
>>4095690
Oh please, go back to /b/, anon who recycles memes from the late 2000's-early 2010s.

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>>4095685
What if they're robots?

>>4093140
Wonder Boy III has Dino Sonic and Goofypus.

>>4095814
>Traps are Transsexual
Not necessarily. They can also be cross-dressers.

>>4095829
>that nazi salute
reported you to the ADL

>>4094601
Are you so shit that you have to assume anybody who can do what you can't be arsed to is a liar? Get over yourself, m8.

>>4094487
>Baya Malay
That one was a cunt. I fell down the same pit 5 times, even when I knew it was coming, because the spell that lets you get over it only lasts a few squares, from memory. But I eventually blundered my way though and it felt good.

>>4095942
Traps are exclusively crossdressers. Otherwise we would call them trannies.

>>4096519
Not retro

Maybe if there was a dog day afternoon videogame for nes or someshit

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>>4096071
>He thought it was nazi salute but it was really flailing around! HA HA HAAA

>>4096750
it went from hitler to jesus. bravo brazil

Top Ten Best Master Games:

Monster World 2
Ninja Gaiden
Battle OutRun
Golden Axe Warrior
Fantasy Zone 2
Penguin Land
The Ninja
Columns
Double Dragon
R-Type

>>4093252
this guy is an asshole, possibly a sperg/mongoloid

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>>4093242
>>4093258
>>4093268
>>4093310
>>4094308
>>4093795
>>4094626
>>4094796
I grew up around these games and mapping featureless dungeons where every hallway looks the same was a dumb fucking design decision even back in the day.

Good first-person RPG's had a built-in map.

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Hell, even non-RPG's like Metroid benefit from a map.

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Oh look, another good first-person RPG that has a map.

>>4093234
You do realize that this is just your opinion, right?

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Oh look, yet another....okayish I guess...first-person RPG that has a map. And on the NES no less.

>>4098607
>>4098610
>>4098613
>>4098619

Bunch casual normie games, man. Get you some graph paper and a real game, fgt.

guacamole is pretty good though

>>4093140
Wow. You really have shit taste in everything.

>>4098607
Fascinating opinion

Some games are better with auto map, some are not

>>4098664
I can't think of a first-person RPG that wouldn't have benefited from a built-in automap.

...except MAYBE Etrian Odyssey, and that's because the map is built into the game. But even there, it's a pain in the neck, and it's not /vr/etro so whatever.

>>4093140
You're full of shit nintoddler, I can think of plenty of good master system games, not counting your mentions of course.

Alex kidd in miracle world
Fantasy Zone
Fantasy Zone II: the tears of opa-opa
Wonder Boy
snail maze
ninja gaiden
sonic chaos
sonic 1
sonic 2
Alien Syndrome
Chuuka Taisen
Psycho Fox
Puyo puyo
Doki Doki Penguin Land
shinobi
teddy boy blues


Then again you're probably the kind of guy who buys into the "lives are archaic" meme, Judging by your comment about aging well.

>>4093237
And this is how you know when you're dealing with a kiddo. This sort of post right here.

>>4099205
The Alex Kidd games were garbage. Enjoy your shit taste, bruv.

>>4095603
how do you remember japanese character passwords then?

>>4098607
Personally I think you just don't have much sense of fun, m8. Getting lost and then figuring out where you are solely by recognising the layout of the dungeon is fun. Dunno 'bout you but I like fun!

And I guess the graph paper poofs are having fun too. I don't really get their idea of fun but they like the same games as me so we can be friends.

>>4099703
Fuck off, the first one was alright and it's the only one I listed.

>>4101102
I tend to map dungeons for three reasons:

Speed. I want to see the other content of a game rather than get lost in the same place for hours/days (fucking Climatrol).
Thoroughness. When you complete every corner on paper you also find every important spot, just stumbling through a labyrinth caused me to miss plot important items in phantasy star.
Satisfaction. That's subjective, but it feels satisfying to me to have a whole dungeon map I created in my hands, it feels like I conquered the place.

>>4099725
I take a photo of the screen on my phone.

>>4093140

i generally hate jrpgs, but i played phantasy star for the first time fairly recently, when i picked up that sega collection for the xbox, and i really enjoyed it. definitely one of my favorite games in the genre.