ITT: A different kind of console war. Which had a better library

>>4007660
Playstation

PlayStation. The SNES library is pretty thin outside of the titles widely considered classics

Super Nintendo by a razor-thin margin.

Playstation had way more shovelware

The PS1 is superior to the SNES in all genres, but beat'em ups and side-scrollers.

>>4007712
I know a dozen or so: Panzer Bandit (Guardian Heroes-like), Captain Commando (arcade port), Jackie Chan Stuntmaster (3D), Gekido (3D), Fighting Force (3D), Nekketsu Oyako (2D), Legend (3D), Warriors of Fate (arcade port).T'ai Fu: Wrath of the Tiger (3D), Hokuto no Ken (3D), Crisis Beat (3D).

There's probably a few more.

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PSX had better shmups, but SNES had better platformers.

Damn, that's a tough one. I'll have to pick PSX since I enjoy shooters more.

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>>4007708
>PS1
>better in RPGs

>>4007760
To be fair, PS1 had a lot of ports of SNES rpgs.

>>4007728
Nekketsu is shit on the PSX. Play the superior Saturn version instead.

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Playstation. It has so many arcade ports.

Tie. Both broke ground in different genres (both funnily enough also were huge in how JRPGs turned out), buth had large and varied libraries that covered most genres enough for anyone, and I'd say roughly the same amount of crap too.

The funny thing is that the PS1 ended up with a lot of titles that were also on the SNES.

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>>4007760

>>4007660
Sega Saturn.

>>4007796
which all ran like shit

>>4007837
You basically said it all. They more or less occupied the same market space and looser quality requirements aside the Playstation had the huge natural advantage of easily running (and enhancing) any SNES game that somebody decided to publish on it. That's the nugget that makes it an unfair competition, really... Although I'd still support the Playstation even not including 16 bit re-releases, but I had been coming from the Sega side of the bloodiest console war front lines ever so I'm still probably biased.

SNES

>>4007760
It definitely is, Square was at its peak during the PS1. Pick any Squaresoft game for the PS1, it's guaranteed to be good.

>>4007660
i'm a massive nintendo fan but i have to give this one to the playstation. nintendo had some AMAZING games for the SNES (alttp, super metroid, kirby super star, super mario world, yoshi's island, etc) and square had some of their best rpgs on it, but really if you had the playstation you always had cool games to play, it got great games constantly. might not have reached the heights of nintendo and square's classics on SNES, but the amount of great games makes it the one with the better library imo. thinking back the SNES really had a teeny tiny library

>>4007678
this is also true, which as a kid meant there was a high chance of you getting an absolute shit game if you didn't do your research

>>4007908
>Pick any Squaresoft game for the PS1, it's guaranteed to be good.

Final Fantasy VIII, Xenogears disc 2, Chrono Cross.

If the PS1 had a Super Metroid port it'd basically be the perfect system

>>4007669
Couldn't the same be said about the PS1? In fact, I think the PS1 has less classics, Sony themselves don't have a lot of 1st party classic outside of... Gran Turismo maybe?

>>4007914
He said good, not the Sistine Chapel. Square has done shit, but when they fucked up at the time it was only subpar. Xenogears had half of a good game, Cross still looked damn pretty, and VIII had dead Squall.

>loading times vs no loading times

>>4007939
>library
>judge not the library

>>4007934
when has sony first party games ever mattered?

>>4007942
Is there a single PS1 game without loading times?
I know there's a few rare cases of SNES games with loading times (SFA2), but I don't know any PS1 game without loading times.

>>4007945
i remember it being minimal and not bothersome in stuff like crash 3, but absolutely terrible in square's snes ports which makes me rage when someone mentions those as good versions of those games

>>4007660
super famicom was glorious, psx was cancerous

>>4007708

PS1 has better beat em ups. Look at the Captain Commando port on each console.

>>4007934
PS1 has more hidden gems than any other console

>>4008013
He probably means exclusive titles and not arcade ports.
>>4008021
Metal Jesus, is that you?

>>4007660
SNES has more decent games, PS1 has a lot of garbage like the NES did

>>4007660

I never got into playstation when it came out originally and was curious about adding it as another emulator, but ultimately decided not to specifically because I couldn't even find any games worth playing on it. It has the second poorest game library after Saturn.

>>4007760
Nearly every major RPG series continued on the PlayStation with sequels that improved on their predecessors in every conceivable way. Playstation is by far the better console.

>>4007945
No. The only disc based games that play directly from the disc is shit like Dragon's Lair and it still loads a little bit at the beginning.

>>4008056
>chrono cross better than ct
>ps final fantasies better than v or vi

>>4008056
Especially Chrono Cross. That game was a treat, the battles actually weren't a chore, they were fun. You couldn't just grind your way out of an issue, you played with your element tables. It's got equal music, just higher quality, the characters aren't ALL fleshed out, but I'd prefer that to Marle and Lucca who were boring and forced.
gonna replay it soon

>>4008063
Final Fantasy 5 is not a Super Nintendo game. It is a Playstation game.

>>4008080
um...

Snes have grate platform RPG sport racing.
But less of grate arcade port because slow CPU.

PS have everything but grate 2d fighting game.

>>4007939
>CD quality music vs. compressed low-bitrate over-reverbed tinny music

>>4008085
Every generation is better than the one before it, this boards existence is proof. nobody would be talking about pc engine or atari or snes or ps1 on /v/, they're oudated and obsolete. I say for every genre example you have, a better game exists on the PS1 than SNES, because even 32bit is twice as much as 16bit.

>>4008092
>not liking low bitrate tinny shitty music
I thought you liked video games. It's how it was intended to be heard, don't you trust the developers?

>>4007660
The PS

>>4008082
I speak only the truth and nothing other than.

>>4008056
>improved on their predecessors in every conceivable way
Except for the ugly 3D graphics

>>4007660
The PS1 by far. Not because the SNES is bad, but because the PS1 is just amazing. One of the biggest differences come from Sony and their treatment of third party developers. Western developers finally got he chance to really produce games for a Japanese system. As a result a good amount of classics and even hidden gems come from the west. Which already basically means it has twice as many games.
Also, 2D, 3D capabilities and CD storage resulted in a lot of experimantation that you just couldn't do on the SNES.
If you believe the SNES has more to offer than the PSX, you are ignorant, but you probably have good journey ahead of you, if you are willing.

>>4008148
I have extensively played both PS1 and SNES, and in the end I prefer the SNES.
The little experimental games like LSD on PS1 are great, but I prefer action 2D games, and SNES offers more of that to me than PS1.
PS1 has the advantage of having more variety due to 3D though, but a lot of PS1 3D games weren't that good, or have better alternatives on PC or N64, so it's a double-edged sword.
Since I like 2D, I prefer Saturn over PS1.

>>4008085
PS have everything but grate 2d fighting game.

The PSX is the 4th best retro console for 2D fighting games after the Neo Geo, Saturn and Dreamcast.

For PS1
In that time 3d polygon are very low detail and not use good motion capture , They must away ues FMV cutseen along gameplay to make people feel that polygon have emotion like 2d.

>>4008176
Yes better then N64 only

>>4007760
>FFT

>>4007934

The top 10 most sold games are exclusives but you could only consider Gran Turismo a Sony IP, if you don't consider Crash in the 90's of course

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>>4007929
>If the PS1 had a Super Metroid port it'd basically be the perfect system

ok.

>>4007660
By this measure I rank them snes < PS1 < nes

But it's very close.

>>4007708
I didn't know Warriors of Fate and Metal Slug were on SNES

>>4008301
>The length of that spoiler
You about had me mad but yeah I can see a person feeling that way.

>>4008154
And this way too, I suppose. There's nothing that comes close to Super Mario World on Playstation and if you really really love 2D platformers then yeah. Of course that's Nintendo for you, always. Do your core thing and be the best at it. You'll always have an audience.

>>4007660
PlayStation

>>4007660
Playstation, but bearly.

man, this is really hard, I had both when I was younger, before I stuck to handhelds till 6th gen. I still think to date the SNES overall is nintendo's best console. Overall though I think I would have to give the prize to the Playstation, several great games or enhanced versions of games, although the addition of load times is a negative.

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>people comparing the specs of the super nintendo to that of the playstation

Holy fuck thats dense. Not what the threads even about

>>4008049
I don't think you like video games.

>>4007660
Playstation. It's really not even fair, the PS1's library is crazy wide.

There's tons of great 2D games (inb4 saturn was better -- who cares, it's not in this discussion) on PS1.
There's tons of great 3D games on PS1.
There's better shoot-em-ups on the PS1 (but the SNES is kind of awful for shmups).
There's better racing games on the PS1 (by far).
There's better RPGs on PS1 (this one is relatively close).
Sports games (if you care) are better on PS1.
Arcade ports are better on PS1 by far.
There are genres that didn't even exist on the SNES that are on the PS1.

SNES wins in terms of platformers (by a very, very high margin -- although I still do enjoy the handful of platform games on PS1 quite a bit), but that's about it.

>>4007817
still mad at how much of a fucking joke Metal Slug on PS1 is, though

>>4008523
>Tons of great 2D games.
Name 3 I wouldn't rather play on another system.

>>4008556
Hmm, if we're allowing JP releases, this is piss easy and I could keep going for a bit. Certainly not more than on SNES (or even close), but there's still a decent amount.
>Adventure of Little Ralph
>Harmful Park
>Zanac x Zanac (well, Zanac Neo)
and those are just games I've played somewhat recently, there's other stuff like Panzer Bandit (2.5D ala Guardian Heroes), Gradius Gaiden,

It's a fair bit harder if you limit it to stuff released in the west (and avoid arcade ports) due to the "no 2D policy".
>Tales of Destiny (or maybe Tales of Eternia, which is probably a better game)
>Symphony of the Night
>Mega Man X4 (and maybe X5)
could mention Alundra too, but I've never played it

There's a fair bunch of solid arcade ports and compilations (R-Types and the great port of Strider 1 included with Strider 2 spring to mind immediately), but most of them got better ports later on (or even at the same time on the Saturn, like basically every fighting game port -- although they're all better than what you'd get on SNES, which is what this thread is about).

I could add a handful more if we're talking polygon games with 2D gameplay too (like R-Type Delta, Klonoa, G-Darius -- although that one's better played Taito's PS2 collection because of slowdown, even if the PS1 version has a handful of little exclusive bits like boss attack).

>>4008635
>there's other stuff like Panzer Bandit (2.5D ala Guardian Heroes), Gradius Gaiden
a bit of my post disappeared, wanted to say Gunner's Heaven as well

one of the big problems is that a bunch of the stuff I want to list is available (and better) on the Saturn

>>4008063
All available on PSX
>inb4 muh load times

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PS is for pussies

>>4007934
>>4007943

Legend of Dragoon

>>4007945
Without? No. With barely any? There's a couple.
Ridge Racer loads twice -- once when booting (long), and then once on course change (short).
If you never change course after loading it, you can even take the CD out (and put in a new one to hear bits of music from it).

also, any of those little Net Yaroze games on demo discs
(as an example hover racing is a brilliant F-Zero clone, go play it) need only one load since they literally have to fit entirely into system memory

honestly, PS1 loading doesn't bother me that much, although that might be the relatively short and/or unintrusive load times on most of the stuff I play (like, KOF98 has fucking terrible load times, but that's like one game out of around the fifty or so I routinely play where it's particularly bad)

>>4007660
I love both so much but if I had to choose one, then it's the Super Famicom.

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>>4007660
I would say the library of games is about equal. However, Super Famicom has the best library of box artwork of any system hands down.

>>4007914
Chrono Cross is excellent. >;(

>>4009612
Hell yeah
My nigga

>>4008127
FF5 is called FF3 in america you braindead scumfuck degenerate.

>>4009669

Not him but I think you refer to 6, 5 was never released in the SNES in occident

>>4009674
It was though.

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>>4009682

You are talking about later ports, SNES never received FF5, Super Famicom did

>>4007660
Even genesis had a better library that snes lol

>>4009708
Oh

>>4009719
(You)

>>4009751
>>4009719
He's not wrong
SMW
Mario Kart
All Stars
Donkey Kong
Wow i just listed every game worth owning for snes

>>4008682
>I think bubsy 3d is going to surprise alot of people
Oh why yes it did.

>>4008127
No need to namefag and no need to try gain internet fame on anonymous imageboard.

>>4007660
Playstation by far

>>4009756
>He doesn't even list super metroid
Nice bait, got me to reply/10.

>>4009756
F-Zero instead of Donkey Kong
*me*

>>4009756
>He
Why do you talk in 3rd person?

>>4009878
Go fuck yourself anon. And fuck this shitty board
>muh retro
>muh snes
Eat a dick nigger
Im never coming back

>>4008254
Too many abilities in that game severely overlapped or were completely useless. I can understand people liking this game more than the handheld ones that came after it since they owe so much to it. But next to super metroid, this game was pretty sloppy.

>>4009884
I'm glad you did.

>>4007660
Playstation definitely had a more accessible library since the discs were cheaper to make and Demo Disks.

Load times and freeze ups fucking killed it for me, though. I barely replayed anything on that system until I got a PS2 which ran PS1 games great but froze randomly on Ico and Ikaruga because fucking bluedisks

>>4009919
Ikaruga was on PS2?

>>4009951
My bad. I got it mixed up with contra Shattered soldier.
I had this awful weekend as a kid going to blockbuster for ikaruga, not finding it, settling for contra SS, that not working, and going back the next day and just renting wario world again

SNES has some of my all time favorite games on it, but PS1.

SNES is full of classic beatem ups, platformers (though I like the NES equivalents better), and RPGs.

But PS1 has its own volume of good games in those areas, plus Twisted Metal, Street Fighter Alpha, Legacy of Kain, decent port of Diablo, Monster Rancher, SotN, Squares little off shoot project games like Brave Fencer, and a general mountain of gems.

Its really hard to vote PS1 when SNES still has one of the best Mario Karts, but I feel it wins out.

>>4008349
Would I be mistaken to presume the console of which you speak involves a power of two?

>>4007660
PSX

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Other people have pretty much said all I have to say about why I think the PS1 has a greater library, but I'll just add this one other quick game.

SNES RPGs (including SFC games)
>Final Fantasy 4-5-6, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Super Mario RPG, Seiken Densetsu 3, Tales of Phantasia, Terranigma, Illusion of Gaia, Breath of Fire 1-2, Lufia 1-2, EarthBound, Tactics Ogre, Bahamut Lagoon, Soul Blazer, The 7th Saga, Treasure of Rudras, Live-A-Live, Star Ocean, Treasure Hunter G, Brain Lord, Romancing SaGa 1-3, Fire Emblem: Thracia 776, Dragon Quest 1-2-3-5-6, Secret of the Stars, Front Mission, Langrisser 2, Ys 3-4-5, Robotrek, Tengai Makyou Zero, Lennus 1-2, FEDA, Albert Odyssey 1-2 and some lesser important or obscure games

PS1 RPGs
>Final Fantasy 1-2-4-5-6-7-8-9 / Tactics, Star Ocean 2, Chrono Cross / Trigger, Legend of Mana, Tales of Phantasia / Destiny / Eternia, Xenogears, Dragon Quest 4-7, Vagrant Story, The Legend of Dragoon, Grandia, Suikoden 1-2, Breath of Fire 3-4, Lunar 1-2, Valkyrie Profile, Legend of Legaia, Parasite Eve 1-2, Wild Arms 1-2, Brave Fencer Musashi, Saga Frontier 1-2, Front Mission 1-2-3, Vandal Hearts 1-2, Jade Cocoon, Persona 1-2, Azure Dreams, Thousand Arms, Tear Ring Saga, Brigandine, Langrisser 1-2-4-5, The Granstream Saga, Threads of Fate, Koudelka, FEDA 2, Arc the Lad Collection, Moon RPG, Rhapsody and some lesser important or obscure games

The difference is pretty substantial, SNES is Saturn-level for RPGs.

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>>4010959
>SNES is Saturn-level for RPGs
Most of its RPGs are in English, though.

>>4007914
all three are good and also pleb filters

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>>4011163
>current year
>not knowing Japanese

PS1 is a cool console, I wish it had the same amount of beat 'em ups than the SNES though, it was the perfect time to develop them due to better hardware, some more action platformers wouldn't hurt either (even wihen it had great stuff like Strider 2 or Metal Slug X)

>>4010584
>SNES is full of classic beatem ups,
Most of them are crap though since the hardware wasn't good enough to handle them.

>>4008080
Well, in that case, Final Fantasy II is a PSOne game and Final Fantasy III is a DS game since their original forms were never released in the US.

And Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels is a Wii game since it's original form was only released as a Virtual Console game.

>>4008056

lol no

>>4010584
>SNES is full of classic beatem ups
All ridden with slowdown and terrible sprite limits, all the arcade ports are butchered. Terrible console for beatemups.

>>4011515
lol yes

SNES. Christ almighty you're all faggots. >>4007660

>>4008635
Add three great Ganbare Goemon platformers (only the 3D one sucked ass)

>>4011518
What are soem good beat em ups on PlayStation though? SNES has Ninja Warriors which is pretty good, not to mention Turtles in Time (far from "butchered port").
I can understand if we compare something like Captain Commando, but what else is there on PS1? I remember playing some japanese beat 'em ups but they weren't as good as Turtles in Time or Ninja Warriors Again.

Anyway, if the SNES has slowdowns, the PS1 has loading times, so it evens out.

>>4011742
the PS1 is incredibly lacking in beat-em-ups, sadly
SNES totally beats the PS1 in that regard simply for having them at all.

>>4011501
Final Fantasy 2 & 3 the SNES games were known in Japan as Final Fantasy 4 & 6 the Super Famicom games. Final Fantasy 2 as part of the Final Fantasy Origins Playstation game collection is an enhanced version of the Famicom Final Fantasy 2 and is different from the SNES Final Fantasy 2. Final Fantasy Final Fantasy 3 the DS game is the first English release of the Japanese Final Fantasy 3 (originally a Famicom game).

I mainly say all this to demonstrate consistent language and assume everyone on /vr/ is aware of when and on what systems these games were released on but when someone seems unaware that Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels (an enhanced version of the Famicom game Super Mario Bros. 2) was first released in the US as part of the SNES game collection Super Mario All-Stars maybe it all does bear stating - at the risk of sounding like an ass.

>>4012226
No one cares, you worthless tripfag.
general convention these days (and by these days, I mean for around two decades now) is to use JP names across the board regarding the FF series anyway, ignoring the US release names completely since they muddle things up

>>4012256
That's fine too as long as you're consistent but either way you want to do it Final Fantasy 5 is not an SNES game.

SNES because it has both a strong first-party and third-party library of games, while PSX only has a strong third-party support.

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>>4012936
Sony had some good developers under their belt but didn't really took care of them, or recognized their talent.

>>4012938
What did Sony themselves work on? I can only remember Ape Escape, which was fun, but not as good as the 3D platformers on N64.

>>4012952
Well, SCE has Polyphony which made the Gran Turismo games and Omega Boost, and Exact did Jumping Flash 1, 2 and Ghost in the Shell.
But even today Sony's 1st party japanese stuff is kind of weird, just look at all that Last Guardian development hell.
Sony pays a lot more attention to their western studios.
Japan Studio made some cool games in non-retro times but probably the most acclaimed one was Demon's Souls (actually developed by From but with Japan Studio's help). However Sony was too afraid to publish it on the west themselves, so they let Atlus publish it in USA (just like how they let THQ publish GITS in the 90s).
Then Bandai Namco on European regions and that led to Sony losing the Souls deal with From, right at their peak moment. They went and made Bloodborne, but Dark Souls 1 was the game that was a mega hit. Sony lost that sweet money.

SCE is weird, definitely not remotely as strong as Nintendo or Sega's 1st party legacy.

>>4012960
Oh yeah, forgot about Omega Boost. That game kicked ass.