Why did the N64 sell so well there? It was almost as bad as the

>>3995094
>revisionist history
>almost as bad as Saturn
N64 sold around 12 million in Japan and Europe, and over 20 million in North America.
Saturn sold 9 million worldwide.

Every time I see a thread complaining about anyone liking the N64, all I hear is "All my friends wanted to play N64 instead of my system at parties waaaaaaahhhhhhh"

>>3995110
N64 was in the market for a longer time and generally sold better, I wasn't talking about raw numbers. The point is that is was a flop everywhere but America. And maybe Canada, dunno. I only had a single friend with one and he sold it to buy a second hand PSX in late 1999. We would go to his place to play Goldeneye and SM64.

The N64 sold well, the Saturn sold like shit, and PS1 blew them both out of the water.

>>3995094
Stockholm syndrome from NES monopoly days.
Americans just love Nintendo, and you can't do anything with it.
>>3995117
>N64 instead of my system at parties waaaaaaahhhhhhh
I can't even imagine bringing N64 to play at party being a teenager. Maybe if it was your first console, and you were a kid back then.

>>3995146
The Saturn outsold the N64 in Japan.

>>3995110
>Saturn sold 9 million worldwide.

Of which it sold 8 million in Japan, in a 4 year period, while N64 was out for 6 or 7 years.

>>3995154
>>3995154
>he doesnt into goldeneye

>>3995094

N64 was made to appeal to Americans

>>3995154
Now you're just being retarded. Yes, the Playstation was the "adult" console at the time, but nobody wanted to sit around and watch you play Metal Gear Solid at a party. We wanted to play Goldeneye, and Mario Kart, and Smash with four players. I was there.

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>>3995202
Saturn was better for parties.

>>3995202
N64 was never represented in my country, sorry.

But we had enough fun with Tekken 3 and Capcom fighters. I also remember playing Worms.

4 player gaming sounds great, but Mario Kart and Smash graphics would push away some players with their aesthetics.

>I was there.
I wish I was there as well desu.

>>3995207
What 3rd world shithole you hail from?

>>3995204
>2D Sprite games
>fifth generation
Underage hipster confirmed. Everybody who was there in the mid to late 90s cared about AMAZING NEW 3D GRAPHICS AND POLYGONS, even if they looked like shit
Nobody wanted to play 2D games at parties. Looking back, they look better, but at the time, nobody cared.

>>3995232
I cared, seems like you were too young and got all your opinions from magazines.

>>3995223
Slavhole.

>>3995232
They didnt look like shit doe

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>>3995232
It sounds like you were going to the wrong parties. Not that there wasn't fun with some 3D games, but if you had friends who wouldn't play 2D you picked bad friends.

>>3995249
My man, the first Tekken game was praised for its realistic graphics at the time. That game looks like shit today.

>>3995263
Tekken 1 still looks good. I don't know what you're talking about.

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>>3995179
>he actually thinks averages are more important than raw numbers.

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I was readong a N64 thread in 2chan the other day, and it gave me an interesting insight on Japanese players and the console.
It seems N64 was very popular, but it didn't sold well because the games were expensive, and as long as 1 friend had one, you could play it at his house, since most of the most popular games they mentioned were Smash Bros. (seems to be the most popular), Mario Kart, Star Fox, Bomberman and Goldeneye.
They also mention other games, like Mischief Makers, Bangai-O, Rakugakids, SRW64, but it seems Smash and Bomberman are the most liked.
I think they didn't mention Goemon *gasp*
By the way some of them were also mentioning that while they didn't buy a console, they bought games for the console to play at his friends place, maybe that's why N64 sold more software than the Saturn in Japan, despite Saturn outnumbering N64 in systems and game library.

>>3995909
Proof that N64 was for normal, well-adjusted people with healthy social lives. And Saturn was for... yeah.

>>3995913
Really, both in Japan and US Saturn was for enthusiasts willing to shell out money. Similar to the Neo Geo market.

>>3995913
>>3995920
Saturn was popular in Japan, I think it had to do with Sega's strong lineup of 1st party games, especially VF2 (I think that game alone sold most Saturns in Japan), and being a good alternative to the playstation. The problem was that at some point Sony became the top dog, around when they announced FF7 was going to the PS1.
I bet most kids who played on N64 also owned either a PS1 or a Saturn. Maybe only the kids who could afford having a 2nd console would go with a N64, to play with his friends.

>>3995094
You may not be interpreting the statistics correctly. Because the N64 sold more units than other individual countries, that doesn't mean we liked it more, it just means we have more people. Pretty sure we sold 3 times the PS1s as N64s domestically. PS2 also annihilated GameCube.

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>>3995991
I'm guessing the USA numbers also include Mexico and Latin America.
I'm from Argentina and Nintendo was present here during the 90s, we got the same US-NTSC stuff that USA did.

>>3996147
>$13 for a used magazine
How much is that in burgerbux?

>>3996154
1 burgerbux = 15 argiepesos (or so)
So if that price is current, it's less than a dollar.
Old Club Nintendo magazines sell for more now though, like 100 arg pesos each, they've become collectibles.

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>>3995094
It had the games. PS1 just had more.
>>3995909
A lot of N64's top selling games are ones that typically don't sell as well in Japan. Zelda, Golden eye, Pokemon Stadium, etc.
>>3995991
5thgen and earlier didn't have a very large video game market. What was there was dominated by American sales. A large chunk of the top selling games from 5thgen are on N64. Also the top selling games was Super Mario 64 during the generation. America loved the N64.
>>3996147
Beanerville isn't included in NA sales. Usually anyway.

>>3996191
From IGN

>The Top 5 best-selling Nintendo 64 titles in Japan, according to Nintendo's sales data, are:

1. Mario Kart 64: 2,060,000
2. Super Mario 64: 1,800,00
3. Super Smash Bros.: 1,520,000
4. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: 1,450,000
5. Pokemon Stadium: 1,370,000

The Top 5 US/PAL titles are:

1. Super Mario 64: 9,040,000
2. GoldenEye 007: 6,980,000
3. Mario Kart 64: 6,230,000
4. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: 5,720,000
5. Diddy Kong Racing: 3,780,000

>None of the above listings include third-party releases. The data is current as of the 09/30/99.

>>3995931
I know lots of kids who owned a N64 and had no intention of ever getting a playstation or saturn. Remember a lot of people thought the N64 was going to come along and destroy the playstation, as happened the phillips cdi and other ill-fated attempts to get into the market.

>>3996212
>99
I'm pretty sure in later years Pokemon Stadium exploded in sales. There was a hefty price cut.

>>3995125
i assume it's because of less pc market penetration. japan and UK have a long history of consumer grade "game" PCs, but the US has always used more consoles.

The Saturn came out at $400, then the PlayStation at $300. A lot of people waited because the N64 was supposed to be $200 and there was massive amounts of Ultra 64 SGI hype. NES and SNES did well and Nintendo was a family name. It was very surprising when it did fail.

>>3996496
it blows my mind to think of a ps1 costing 300 dollars.

>>3996501
$350 when you included a game. N64 initially had no pack-in game either.

>>3996501
it was futuristic to have games on CDs

>>3996496
I remember that. I ended up with a Playstation because games where cheaper than N64's.

A better question is why didn't everyone else buy into the system? I wouldn't expect N64 to win in any market, but the fact that people ignored stuff like Zelda seems retarded.

And I've noticed this is pretty common in most of the world. America will give most systems a chance and even the losers can scratch out million in sales. Every other country just buys one thing mindlessly.

>>3995125
>The point is that is was a flop everywhere but America. And maybe Canada, dunno.

N64 was popular in Canada. They are found at garage sales about half as often as PSXes which is higher than the global ratio of 3PSX/N64.

>>3996604
>Every other country just buys one thing mindlessly.
A lot of that has to do with different moral standards.

>>3995232
Which is a shame because the 2D games of the 5th generation are simply beautiful. Probably the best 2D spritework game from that gen.

>>3996669
You mean Japan buys the thing with the most half-naked children games?

>>3996673
Were talking about a varied and competitive market. Most countries don't have the morals of western countries. They instead value ripoffs and cheap shit.
You're pretty much limited to Japan, USA, and Canada with those kind of markets.

>>3995094
>Why did the N64 sell so well there?
Burger King gave discount coupons.

>>3996695
Nice reddit meme.

>>3996684
>>3996695
>/pol/tards manage to turn a discussion about console sales into politics

>>3996723
>
Niggers like saturn since u can burn games for it
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>>3995175
>>3995179
Who gives a shit that you fucking reviosionist? Sega is dead at the end of the day anyway.
Japan is a cool country but it's full of weeabos and a lot of the times they have TERRIBLE taste in videogames, one of their favourite genres is the rpg meme.
They love those tedious, grinding, boring rpgs full of anime girls because their lives are shit inside their cubical houses...but guess wich console of the 90's had most of that deliciously fantasy edgy rpgs? yeah da ps1.
The answer is easy. Also if you check their consumer history you will see that they didn't buy a lot of metroid games that were fucking great. It's not like japan is always right with their picks and their market you fucking retard.

>>3995117
>Implying that the critics made in /vr/ are some kind of valid point. They always throw the same shity arguments about carts, sales and lack of rpgs. Water is wet.

Also you could say the same about the ps1
"Muh big library of games that no one played or remember because they were clunky and mediocre as fuck waaaaah why everyone talks about the n64? it wasn't that good waaah!!"

or the saturn
"No one understands my niche console full of japanese games waaaah"

>>3995204
Delusional.

The Nintendo 64 is liked by people, get over it

>but *I* don't like it
Who cares?

>>3996604
They probably wanted to play more than Nintendo games.

'playing nintendo' was literally *the* thing all the cool american kids did with each other in the 90s.

NES then SNES then N64 and Gameboys too


playing co-op and sharing nintendo games was a central part of 90s childhood americana

>>3996739
Us morally bankrupt niggers abstained from using N64 because Sega tricked us the last time around and we didn't want a console for poors. We would steal our consoles along with our games anyway, but it was the principle.

>>3996769

Whoa man, are you ok?

>>3996659
It also wasn't a "flop" in europe, by any stretch of the imagination. It was a fine selling console, much bigger than the Saturn in europe. "flop" is just his overly dramatic word to gain the attention of random anonymous people online.

>>3996848
It barely sold more in Europe and Australia than than it did in Japan. The US was the only place the N64 did well. Sony sold 8 times as many units by comparison.

>>3995154
>Americans just love Nintendo
Japanese loved Nintendo even more back then, but the N64 bombed over there.

>>3995094
N64 was overpriced in the rest of the world, but not so much in America. Just my opinion.

>>3996397
>japan and UK have a long history of consumer grade "game" PCs

The fuck are you talking about? Japan has always had awful adoption for desktop PCs. Did you mean Korea? Even then they only went with PCs because they had an embargo on Japanese products. They had no where else to go.

>>3995094
America was the only country with money. Japan was in a massive recession for the entire decade, and yurope was still working its way out of communism. Meanwhile America had a huge boom in the 90s.

>>3995181
This. Nintendo played to the largest market.

>>3995250
>2 player game
>party

What sad parties you must have gone to.

>>3997008
>and yurope was still working its way out of communism
That didn't apply to Western Europe and anyway, Europeans were more about computer gaming.

>>3996521
>N64 initially had no pack-in game either.

Because it launched in NA with basically one game.

>>3997016

Not him, but if you had a group of four who honestly couldn't switch off in 2P fighting games, then your parties were the sad ones.

Especially with the bantz.

>>3996673
If that was true then Xbox would have beat the PS2 since it had all the idolm@ster games due development on the Xbox was much cheaper due to its PC based x86 architecture.

>>3997034

PS2 still had hundreds more half naked children games.

>>3995094
Wrestling.

>>3996691
I don't know if you are memeing or not, but Burger King was really shit in the 90s. They got by pretty much exclusively from having better kids meal toys than McDonalds. You never saw people eating at a BK by themselves, or families with children over 10. They had a major turn around in the 2000s which really helped their image and improved their quality.

>>3997043

N64's wrestling games were in a league of their own.

>>3995237
No you didn't.

>>3995250
No you weren't.

>>3997045
McDonalds was also shit in the 90s, by the early 2000s they were facing bankruptcy and had to majorly renovate their image.

>>3997021
>That didn't apply to Western Europe

Germany, the largest market, was in terrible condition due to the cost of reunifying with east germany.

>>3997028
>Especially with the bantz
>bantz

Yeah, I'm sure your chav parties where you shared needles and controllers were loads of fun.

>>3997054

Nah, all four of us have never done drugs to this day.

I honestly cannot imagine a "party" without someone bitching about how OP your favorite character is because he has to sit there for five whole minutes before he gets another turn to play. The whole time you put on your biggest shit-eating grin because he gets so worked up but at the same time can't bring himself to admit he caused his own loss.

>>3995909
>It seems N64 was very popular, but it didn't sold well
It had no RPGs. With no RPGs, you're not selling a console in Japan.

>>3997060
Japanese have shit taste, jesus christ

>>3997063
They also haven't innovated squat since the 80s while WRPGs evolved into lots of new directions from the 90s onward, but Japan has never moved past that Ultima/Wizardry style of RPG.

>PlayStation, 2 controller ports
>Nintendo 64, 4 controller ports
>two imoutos to frag
Even burgers can handle the math

>>3995207
>but Mario Kart and Smash graphics would push away some players with their aesthetics.
Everybody knew that kid who wouldn't play Mario Kart or Smash because they were an edgelord faggot who only played mature games for mature gamers such as themselves. Pretty soon that guy didn't get invited over to play anymore because he wasn't any fun.

>>3997028
>his parties weren't made up of people switching out in groups of four
Sad 'party' bro.

>>3996769
>Japan is a cool country but it's full of weeabos
My favorite type of bait.

>>3996876
Because unlike nips americans are bound to brand loyalty instead of games. Look where the Xbone is selling despite there being absolutely no reason to get one.

Nintendo did well in the US because the N64 was the go-to FPS platform and this was back in the 90s when FPSeses were new and incredibly exciting. It's tired and played out today, but in 1997 the stuff was groundbreaking.

>>3997670
Other than Goldeneye and maybe Perfect Dark, I've never seen this focus for the N64. In my experience it was PC or bust back then for FPS games

>>3997654
>Look where the Xbone is selling despite there being absolutely no reason to get one.
so just like the PS4?
>>3997670
Nobody bought a N64 just for Goldeneye.

>>3997670
I still can't believe that Nintendo had the console FPS market at one point and just let it go without a fight.

>>3997687
No dumbass ps4 has 100s of exclusives that will never be on xbox

>>3997861
>100s

Anyway, why are you guys discussing not-retro shit?

>>3997687
>Nobody bought a N64 just for Goldeneye.
Didn't Goldeneye practically outsell every other N64 game in the US with the possible exception of SM64?

If so, that indicates a lot of people probably did buy an N64 for that game.

>>3997685
Consoles provided a vastly cheaper and easier to set up way of playing FPSes than a PC.

>>3997884
Yeah, for retards. N64 didn't even have LAN or Online.

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>>3995204
Yeah, with those instant load times and four controller inputs?

Oh, wait.

>>3997889
N64 cost $200
A decent 90s PC cost $2000

>>3997895
Doom and Quake ran on toasters, though.

>>3995125
>generally sold better
it wasn't even close, fuck nugget

>>3996604
>A better question is why didn't everyone else buy into the system? I wouldn't expect N64 to win in any market, but the fact that people ignored stuff like Zelda seems retarded.
no one but freaks bought multiple systems back then, people had real lives

>>3997685
>In my experience it was PC or bust back then for FPS games
Normal people didn't PC back then, just the weirdos
N64 had 007, PD, Doom 64 (the best Doom of all), Quake 1 and 2, all the Turoks, Nukem etc. It was the FPS king.

>>3997687
>Nobody bought a N64 just for Goldeneye
the fuck they didn't, newfag

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>>3997897
and looked like shit (unless you had openGL acceleration of quake, then it looked like goldeneye at 10 times the price)

PCs were ultra-ass expensive if you wanted FPSes above 320x200 resolution.

>>3997871
>Didn't Goldeneye practically outsell every other N64 game in the US with the possible exception of SM64?
That would be incorrect.
>>3997910
K, kid.

>>3997912
>>3997925
That's the same as console quality, don't know why you're complaining.

>>3997925
What res do you think N64 was running? Only Perfect Dark was 480i

>>3997931
N64 cost only $200 though.

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nice textures, N64!

>>3997926
Not him, but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_64_video_games

>SM64
>MK64
>Goldeneye

He's pretty damn close

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>>3999256
Nice graphics ps1.

>>3999256
>posting stretched pictures from emulators
Nice polycount and correct perspective there, Playstation!
PC version is the best, PS1 worst.

>>3999389
Goldeneye outsold Mario Kart 64 in USA and Europe.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/877/goldeneye-007/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/1253/mario-kart-64/

>>3999256
N64 emulators don't reproduce the textures properly. They don't set the UV coordinates properly resulting in the texture being more stretched than real hardware.

Anyway being an owner of both 5th gen versions the PS1 version does indeed have slightly higher resolution textures BUT the N64's textures are a higher color depth and suffer less dithering. That's about the only advantage the PS1 version has.

Its character models have way fewer polygons, the lighting model is simplified, the levels are redesigned to be smaller, and things which are transparent on N64 are opaque on PS1.

>>3999426
Eh, looks the same

>>3999426
>playstation
wow the world is pixelated as fuck
>n64
wow the world is blurry as fuck

>>3995094
Multiplayer garbage like goldeneye and marry-o kart.

>>3995094
It was a lot cheaper. They saved money by not lubricating the analog sticks, instead relying on the kids to do it with burger grease from their fingers.

>>3997072
Don't fix what isn't broken. As long as they continue eating up that garbage, they'll keep making it.

>>3999426
The PS1 port of Shadowman was the worst of all.

>>3995154
>I can't even imagine bringing N64 to play at party being a teenager
I still play Smash64 nowadays with people.
>he doesn't enjoy having beers while playing Super Smashed Bros

>>3995207
>Not playing Quake2 with 4 players
>Not playing Red Alert 2 with lan
>Not playing CTR, Destruction Derby and Twisted Metals 4 players

>>3995094
Honestly? Marketing, NoA actually used to be pretty funny.
https://youtu.be/K783SDTBKmg
Also Nintendo Power

The N64 was cheaper than the PS1 for quite a while if I recall. Sony didn't start dropping prices until early 1997, I want to say. Even if an N64 cart could run you $80, a lot of consumers were used to expensive cartridges from the previous generations. Most kids didn't have more than 10 games anyway, in the 90s I mainly played games through Blockbuster, so parents saw the lower cost of N64+game as a benefit. I doubt they knew that PS1 discs were selling for a lot less unless they'd looked beyond the Sears catalog.

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>>3995125
>anecdotal evidence
Everyone I knew who played games in the sixth gen had a Gamecube, but that certainly didn't reflect on the overall market.

>>3996397
I've heard the opposite and that anything PC related is obscenely overpriced (I can only speculate that they're mainly sold to businesses and the "otaku" demographic) in Japan which is partly why they use consoles.

Americans did have PCs but they were IBM clones that were very good at office tasks but shit for gaming until the likes of Doom were around.

>>3997034
The PS2 was a glorified DVD player that had so much hype built for it that even if Sony took a shit in a box people would buy it. Developers only tolerated it because it had such a large install base that you couldn't ignore it.