Aquired KV-27FS120 for free from a technology recycle event at

>>3986601
That era of Sony TV is good. Hipsters tend to over hype them a lot.

Corner geometry meme aside, flatscreens are bigger and heavier than curved of the same size and I'm not the biggest fan of their wider-still all silver bezels but they are probably the best consumer TV to be scrounging up free right now. Show her inputs.

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>>3986613

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>>3986601
I have the same TV and I like it a lot. Mine has very small geometry issues but the color is better than another 27" wega I have. Having component and svideo is great for the N64/PS1 generation and the Xbox PS2 gen

>>3986613
>>3986756
what exactly is this geometry thing everyone keeps talking about?

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>>3986763
flat screen distortion is more noticeable but curved screens also get it.

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>>3986763
In CRT lingo people use words as overlap.

One thing that can happen to CRTs is color leak where colors look like a 80's music trailer. The other thing that happens is sometimes also called geometry, where the image doesn't fit the screen properly, because the image is warped or distorted or skewed or (insert technical word).

When the second thing happens it can be really bad and not even worth using the CRT until fixed. Or obviously replacing the CRT. Just imagine playing mario, a smooth scrolling game experience, and it looking like a small section of the screen is wavy or jumps out at you.

Pic related, is a good example of it just being slightly tilted. Anytime something passes over an area where the screen is mushed or stretched those pixels will then mush and stretch.

I have had just as many flat and bubble crts with these issues. The biggest benefit of a pro crt or pvm is the ability to easily open them and adjust these issues away, if you know what you are doing. With consumer sets it is a crapshoot of menus and a few other fixes. If you can't fix it by then toss it.

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>>3986821
Example of the top of a screen being messed up. This could be alleviated in a service menu though. But most likely a magnet came loose.

For the most part this picture is a bit extreme. It is usually more subtle and easily noticed in 2d smooth scrolling games like mario or sonic, but in 3d games or slower scrolling games not as easily seen.

Again I have had just as many of both types of tvs, and they have these issues equally when I do find them. For the most part by the time tvs became flat, they were much cheaper so it is easier to get a larger tv that seems expensive that is a flat panel, that was actually a cheap junker. Most of the highest end flat and bubble tvs are pretty good on avoiding issues, but require work if anything happened to them (service menu was messed with or they were dropped)


If you really want a good 17-24 inch CRT. Get a pc monitor from that era. If not get a pvm for the ease of fixing these issues. Then get an expensive (MSRP expensive) flat/bubble consumer set. Everything else is a shitshow.

>>3986756
I can't bring myself to stack consoles on top of an Xbox. Sure it's heavy and huge, the but the plastic case itself feels comparatively crap.

>>3986601
I gamed on the 32'' 120-series for years. Great tv, but Sony goddamn cheaped out on the number of good ports. You get three composite inputs but only 1 each for s-vid and component. The best thing you can buy for it is a proper a/v switch with decent s-vid and ypbpr ports

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>>3986726
Looking good!

>>3986763
Visualize how a CRT displays its image by a beam that shoots from a fixed point in the center of the back/neck of the tube. The rounder the surface it's shining on, the more consistent the distance (and therefore the density/focus of the beam) is. The flatter it is, the closer the center of the phosphor surface is compared to the corners so the more distorted it gets as it approaches them.

Like Anon said though, no quality CRT is curved so much as to not suffer this effect at all, but it's more exaggerated in "flat screens"

>>3986954
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-deflects-real-bullets/1100-6084935/

>>3986601
I picked up one of these from a Savers a few years back. Great TV as long as you're not obsessed with perfect geometry. Mine had some bowing issues, especially in the bottom center, that were distracting. A little heavy for its size but the variety of inputs is good.

>>3987086
>oh hai guise look what i just became an expert on thanks to google
lel

>>3986601
Get a remote for it so you can fix the geometry.

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I've got one of these too, OP.


My signal on it is just slightly shaky though, especially on scanlines with very bright colors everything can subtly shake left and right. Is there a simple fix for this, just a few caps to replace or something?

Also my geometry is not amazing, see pic. If Gramps or that smartypants anon is still here, do you know what needs to be done to fix these wavy horizontals?

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>>3987504
Upper Corner Pin (or equivalent depending on your brand) ought to do it.

>>3986783
Only old curved screens do.

>>3986601
>>3986726
Done goofed. Like >>3986603 said, hipsters tend to over hype them.

>>3986726
>Two composite
>Single S-Video
>Single YPbPr
Fuck that, not even RGB.

>>3986763
The electron gun is in the middle, the early screens where curved to keep the distance between the glass and gun the same, you get it you look at >>3987086 picture.
If they are not the same you get distortion.
Latter technology got better and you could calibrate for the distortion and have flat screens where the electron gun itself took the distance into account to clever hardware. But at the era of flat screen CRTs it never got perfected enough to be perfect.

>>3987715

Next to no consumer US sets have RGB. It was only used here for video production.

Lack of inputs really isn't an issue when Extrons are $30

>>3987813

Jokes on you, I just use S-video

>>3987819

My games look great over S-vid in my cuckshed while Jamal distracts my wife and her son

>>3986601
I love how you decided to just hook up your stuff in your car, I used to move these TVs all of the time when I worked for a thrift store, I know how heavy they can get.

I used to have the 32 inch version, it was decent enough. I never really got into the CRT scene, it was just inexpensive. I did play a few console games on it, I don't recall having any issues.

>>3987813
>using cuck unironically
enjoy playing inferior ports at 50Hz with letterboxing.

>>3987830
Thats good to hear.

>>3987870
Not a problem with RGB.
Not a problem with consoles like PS.
Not a problem when you have a good monitor that also supports 60hz modes.

>>3987504
You can tinker with that stuff in your service menu. On consumer TVs that stuff is hidden because you can seriously mess up your TV to where you'll never get it untangled unless you wrote down the initial values (so write down your initial values). On Sony TVs the service menu is usually reached by pressing "display" "5" "volume up" on the remote. Remember that only the white squares can be perfect and it just looks like a slight center pincushion + is all yours need, maybe a little phase - so it's less top-wide but the subtle combinations of those settings can make you nuts. The corners will never be perfect because of geometry but in quality games they shouldn't have your score or anything in them that you'd notice distortion on because that's overscan territory that devs couldn't count on even being visible on a lot of period consumer TVs.

>>3987470
I'll be sure to include some of my personal anecdotes next time so you can accuse me of egotism. Gotta keep a balance!

>>3987910
>On Sony TVs the service menu is usually reached by pressing "display" "5" "volume up" on the remote.
Can you tell me more? What button is "display"?
Thanks btw.

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>>3987975
You may have to experiment if you use a universal remote which sucks because timing is important too so you can try it with the right button and still not have it work. It's also quite possible that some remotes wouldn't have it at all as I think all it does is bring up the channel number/source and maybe the time on some models(?)

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>>3987982
That's the original remote on mine.

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>>3987991
That's the TV.

I have been looking for a menu to slightly tweak the screen for ages, as every input the screen is slightly to the left, just a little, like it cuts off some text on some games on the left side and there's a black stripe on the right side where it should actually go all the way against the screen edge.

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>>3987992
>50hz only

>>3988014
I don't mind, I only own 5th gen consoles and up anyways. Except a few microsfrom way back that also work great with it.

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>>3988019
B-b-but muh 60hz RGB PAL Gamecube

How are you gonna play competitive Melee?

>>3988028
What? GameCube RGB runs at 50Hz fine.

>competitive
That would mean I have friends, topkek.

>>3987991
>>3987992
Wew man this time I even googled for you and I can't find any manuals in english for that remote or even that series of TV it must be from some multilingual region to have weird symbols like that. My best guess would be the button that looks like a screen with a question mark in it, assuming it makes the display pop up when you press it.

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>>3988118
KV-25T1 is the model of the TV, the R in the end is just regional.
I have looked myself too but I must be blind because I never seen anything about a service menu.

>>3988126
It sucks even more as I can't find the manual anywhere for free but on the preview I can see chapters on adjusting the TV.

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>>3988118
Nevermind bro!
I found it, a manual for a very similar model and it worked! I got the screen into the middle now! Such comfy. Even bumped up the colours a little.
Thanks a lot! If you wouldn't have posted that who knows if I would have ever found out.

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>>3988126
lol I had just found that page myself at http://www.eserviceinfo.com/index.php?what=search2&searchstring=BE-3B and was about to upload the image.

>>3988227
Thanks dude

>>3988014
That's the mains power input frequency you mook.

Pretty much all euro TVs from the 90s onward can accept 60hz inputs whether PAL, SECAM or NTSC.

>>3986601
No you did not. I see these pieces of shit on the side of the road all the time. Now if you are asking, "did i do good by literally taking home someone elses garbage", then yes, you did fucking great.

>>3988364
you're such a badass anon.

>>3986603
Sony TV sets are good and one is what i begun playing my classic consoles on till it broke one day because of either dead pixels or dead something other in the bottom left corner.

>>3988364
One man's trash is another man's pleasure

>>3988394
this is true for women too

>>3988447

>tfw loving relationship with amazing wife but fetish for trashy whores

>>3986601
You didn't do bad. There's a dirty one of those for sale the local thrift for $5. So...

I got the 24 inch version a while back and noticed my image seems to be rotated clockwise a bit. I messed with the service menu a few times and couldn't really get it fixed, so I think the guns must've been knocked out of alignment.

It's a shame because having grown up with shitty off-brand tubes, this one looks amazing.

>>3988490
Tilt correction is right there in the standard user menu anon...

>>3988506
You're right, I forgot to mention that on top of the tilted image, there's heavy bowing in the 4 corners of the screen, and no amount of adjustments can get it to look decent at all, even taking into account how flatscreens will never have perfect geometry, the image is super distorted.

Gonna look for a shop because I miss playing Guardian Legend and Balloon Fight.

>>3988447
>>3988453
I was going for a Regular Show reference setup but that too!

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>>3988353
I just wanted to banter

>>3988028
European Melee fags play just fine with PAL. They just get the shittier version.

>>3988534
>I was only pretending to be retarded!
Dumb frogposters

>>3988521
I should add, be careful when transporting a CRT. I tested it when buying it and it looked good. My bro loaded it in the backseat for me when I was talking to the dude, and when we got home I noticed he loaded it with the screen facing the seat, and it must've been rocking while we drove.

So don't make the same mistake I did. Just hoping this $20 TV doesn't turn into like a $120 TV after repair costs since I don't have the tools, experience, or space to work on it myself.

>>3986845
That's a sync problem, nothing to do with magnets at all.

It needs the AFC adjusting.

>>3988635
>magnets you can't explain that

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>>3989160
>tfw I was going to drop in a (how do they work?) at the end of the first sentence then decided at the last moment it would be too corny...

>>3989209
glad to be of help

>>3988540
How come? It lets you select between 50/60Hz even on PAL.

>>3988635
Incorrect.

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>>3989762
I concede in light of your lucid and comprehensive analysis of the problem

>>3989760
PAL Melee doesn't do progressive scan

But you can only use progressive with the digital out port and the meme component cables anyway

>>3987832
>car
I had no way of testing it until I got it home and I was not about to carry it inside unless I knew it worked.

>>3989762
Not him but this is going to be good. Pls, do go on...

>>3986821
>Pic related, is a good example of it just being slightly tilted.

There is more than just tilted geometry going on there, fellow fv310 anon. I would have to adjust that set a bit to live with it, but you won't fix that horizontal bow without opening her up and making adjustments to the yoke manually.