>Genesis better at >run n guns >shmups >strategy

Make a list of games instead of genres and you'll see why.

>>3880924
>why do people consider the SNES to be superior again?
Primarily because people associate more colors with more power, and fell for the Mode 7 gimmick. Also I guess people thought that synthesized music sounded more old-school than sample-based music so therefore it must be weaker.

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>>3880924
>snes better at platforming
uh no sweety thats where ur wrong

>>3880931
how many megabytes of power is that?

>>3880924
>better at platforming

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>>3880924
its because people unironically believe the genesis only had sonic and sports games

>>3880924
Because it had overall more good games

>t. someone who likes both consoles

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>>3880946
Miney Crafta taught me that sega fans only like sports games.

Because of long running franchises. How many popular long running franchises were started on the Master System/Genesis compared to the NES/SNES?

Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Metriod compared to Sonic.

People mostly only skim the surface and there is a lot more on the surface for the SNES, but if you actually attempt to delve into the library then you will actually find a lot of great Genesis games.

>>3880924
SNES was better at sports games, but Genesis had more sports games. But if there was a game on both, SNES was nearly always the one to chose.

>>3880981
Also there has been a shift in preference among people that they want lengthier games, hence why games like Donkey Kong Country and Super Mario World with their many worlds and save system along with Sonic 3 + Knuckles are often cited as the better platformers during that era compared to games designed to be completed within a single sitting and no save system.

Is 40$ CAN a good deal for an Earthbound cart ?

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>>3880985
>But if there was a game on both, SNES was nearly always the one to chose.
thats cute... BUT ITS WRONG

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Mega Drive
>has Treasure games

SNES
>doesn't have Treasure games

Gee, I wonder which is better??

>>3880985
enjoy your music-less NBA Jam

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>>3880996

>>3880985
So like Earthworm Jim, or Mortal Kombat?

>>3880996

If you knew how to read, you would know my post was about SPORTS GAMES.

>>3881003
>>3881001

see >>3881006

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>>3881001

>>3881006
who the fuck cares about sports games? nobody thats who.

>>3881016

Yearly midnight lines for Madden during that time suggest otherwise.

>>3880985
uhh no NHL and Madden are both way smoother on the genesis colors be damned

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>>3880924

>better at platforming

>>3881030

Two words: Goalie control

>>3880959
What's your dick size?

>>3880924
I'd put music in SNES but other then that you are mostly right

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>>3880985
>SNES was better at sports games
NOPE

>>3881063
>snes better at music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeheK0roPbU

https://youtu.be/vz4lX9J9s7Y?list=PLryS3385ZWcTAfNrznN1SEIGuKG8WVHYD

?

>>3881102

meant this
https://youtu.be/j98g5PPj0O4?list=PLryS3385ZWcTAfNrznN1SEIGuKG8WVHYD

>>3880931
Even with all those cartridges sonic still crawls slow as shit uphill.
Did genesis have any platformers that werent..... stupid?

>>3880930
>Mode 7 gimmick
Not at ALL like Blast Processing, am I right?

>>3881102
>>3881107
sure, the Genesis has some upbeat and metallic samples that can be pretty energizing at times, but i rather prefer orchestral tracks and more clean samples. when it comes to voice samples i find the SNES better to listen to because voice samples on the Genesis mostly sound pretty muffled and awkward.

i like your music choices though

>>3881013

M-muh colors tho....

>>3881140

harder to do samples well on genesis cause sega messed up the interface between the z80 and 2612.

if you pulled it off you could potentially use higher quality samples than snes, since most audio will be fm anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBMGiVkcz6A

SNES was only good at classical sounding music, it's monotonous. Genesis could do everything from electronica to rock sounding shit.

Nintendo fucked up hard by making the SNES' stock cpu so awful. All the best games for the system had to use extra chips in order to compete with the Genesis.

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Reminder that if you didn't grow up with both SNES and Genesis you only had half a childhood.

>2017
>still consolewarring
Very sad.

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>>3880924
>Genesis better at fighters

What fighting game on Mega Drive is better than Gundam W Endless Duel? Genuinely curious.
The only one that comes kinda close is Yu Yu Hakusho, but that's more like a Smash-style, not traditional fighting. And I'd say it's still not as good as Gundam W.

>>3881196
that game looks badass

>>3881167
Go listen to ploks soundtrack and get back to me, idiot.

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>>3881196
Fighting Masters is the best fighting game ever created. Anime weebshit is garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjMT6Jy16QQ

>>3881112

>sonic still crawls slow as shit uphill

Yeah, what the hell is gravity anyway? Bubsy had the right idea.

>>3881223
AWWW SHIT IT IS D I O MY MAN! HOW COULD YOU NOT PICK A VENUS FLY TRAP?

>>3880924
>SNES
>better at
>platforming
A distinct lack of physics based hedgehog games there.
>jprg
Sure, if you're a quantity over quality guy.

>>3881230
I love how people pull the "quantity over quality" card only when it's convenient to support their bias, same with graphics or sales.

Console wars are really sad, man.

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>>3881228
game is Metal As Fuck rip DIO

>>3881129
Blast Processing means that the Genesis CPU and RAM is faster than that of the SNES. That ain't a gimmick, that's just higher performance.

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>>3880930

It's more than color and Mode 7. The Genesis couldn't due more than 2 background layers, transparency wasn't possible, and it supported fewer sprites on-screen.

And you're giving the Genesis sound chip too much credit. It sounded nice if you knew what you were doing, but there's a reason why DX7 owners always stuck to the presets.

>>3881808
>2 background layers
play Thunderforce IV or Rocket Knight. Many genesis games find ways to display multiple layers in the bg.
>transparency wasn't possible
true. However there are tricks and ways to fake transparency especially on consumer tvs of the day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVWSYQCz9c
>fewer sprites on-screen
Have you ever played a snes belt scroller before? When have you ever seen a snes game have more sprites and not lag?
>DX7 owners always stuck to the presets
You're pretty funny anon.

>>3881808
also what the fuck does your picture even show? some random mock up doesnt prove anything.

>>3881112

Guess Newton and Einstein were stupid after all!

>>3881808

So basically you have little to no experience with the Genesis except for maybe some shitty western games?

>>3881827

I screwed up there, sorry. I wanted to post an image comparison, but I forgot that I had made that pic as a defense of the Genesis.

>>3881826

The fake transparency on the Genesis is limited. You can't fade it in or out, and there's no additive blending like the SNES.

As for the backgrounds, the Genesis' way of faking extra background layers was also done on the SNES, and even the NES. But again, it's limited. None of the fake layers can overlap.

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>>3881843
Genesis can simulate true transparencies with shadow & highlight palettes. See Ranger X, Ristar and Vectorman.

Also genesis can do overlapping bg layers. See my previous examples and Toy Story.

>>3880924
what would happen if we gave the SNES blast processing

>>3881876
it might actually have some decent games

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>>3881876

>>3881808
>The Genesis couldn't due more than 2 background layers
Virtually any console can fake extra background layers - with some limitations of course. But that's besides the point.

Once you start pushing more than 2 background layers on SNES, your color pallet becomes ridiculously low. Hell, I believe that on SNES only one background layer can be 256-colors while any extra layers have to be 16-color or less. If you do 4 background layers, they ALL have to be really REALLY low color. On Genesis, both layers can be 64-color.

>transparency wasn't possible
In a strict sense, it's true, but Genesis supports a unique color feature called shadow/highlight which can create a legit (no mesh shit) psuedo-add/psuedo-subtract effect.

>it supported fewer sprites on-screen.
On paper, the SNES PPU supports more sprites than the Genesis VDP. However, in practice, the opposite is true. Both consoles are VRAM-bandwidth bound when it comes to display sprites (e.g. neither console can reach its sprite limit). As the Genesis has more VRAM bandwidth (not to mention, more CPU speed and main RAM bandwidth) in practice it will be capable of a lot more sprites on screen at a faster framerate.

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what are you guys talking about the snes had sonic on it

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I take a several month's break from this board to dick around primarily on /pol/ and come back to find...
This thread. Again.

Why can't they both ever just be awesome?
Do you people honestly care which one of these magnificent fossils is more powerful? They're both equal by modern standards.
There no longer is a difference. They both play sprite-based games with some rudimentary 3D demonstration games tossed in for WOW effect.
They're exactly the same now.

Please understand this.

>>3881937
>Please understand this.
No.

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>>3881945
Well 4chan IS for discussion, so I can't honestly say not to discuss their differences.
But shit me, I grew up with this rivalry and it's all become so very tiresome.
I feel like that chinese gravel truck owner...

Fuck it. I grew up with an SNES. But now I'd have to say the Gen is better? Why? Cuz it doesn't turn baby-shit yellow with age.

>>3880924
>Genesis
better at
>fighters
>puzzle

Most definitely not, all the good Genny (or MD) fighting games are multiplat, the only noteworthy exclusive is Yu Yu Hakusho. Eternal Champions is terrible, just like most western fighting games at that time (including Killer Instinct). The SNES (or rather, the SFC) has things like Gundam: Endless Duel, DBZ: Hyper Dimension, TMNT: Tournament Fighters (much better than the Genesis version), Ranma 1/2: Chougi Rambu Hen. Flash Hiders SFX.

Same applies to puzzle games, the Genesis has Mean Bean Machine / Puyo Puyo (multi)... and what more? Columns is painfully average, Mega Panel is decent. The SFC has fucktons of puzzles.

>SNES
better at
>platforming

Also debatable, the SNES wins by the sheer number of games, but the Genesis has many great platform games as well. I can't choose between Sonic, Ristar, Illusion (series), Dynamite Headdy and Kid Chameleon or Mario, Kirby, Magical Quest (series), DKC and Goemon.

>>3881932
I've always been curious how much editing that hack got beyond the Sonic and Tales sprites, but I've never bothered to play through it.
Mostly because, if I feel like playing Speedy Gonzales, I have the real cartridge to play.

>>3881928

>On Genesis, both layers can be 64-color.

61 colors, and even that's only possible if the sprites share all their colors with the background.

>>3881928

>In a strict sense, it's true, but Genesis supports a unique color feature called shadow/highlight which can create a legit (no mesh shit) psuedo-add/psuedo-subtract effect.

Which required you to either sacrifice a background layer, or add a fuckton of extra sprites.

>>3882347
>>3881928

>I believe that on SNES only one background layer can be 256-colors while any extra layers have to be 16-color or less

I don't think it's 16 colors per background layer, but 16 colors per palette, of which backgrounds can use 8. Modes 3 and 4 have a "direct color" mode that doesn't use palettes; this is where the 256 colors thing comes from. Not many games used it, though.

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>>3882347
>61 colors
pedantry

>Which required you to either sacrifice a background layer
Which is exactly the same on the SNES since it's not sprites which are transparent but layers.

Nevertheless, developers found ways to make it work. Pic related is "real" transparency, no mesh shit (well, as "real" as SNES transparency anyway)

Holy fuck some people STILL can't let go of the console wars.

>>3882373
It's just bantz m8. Most normal well adjusted /vr anons know both consoles are great.

>>3881003
earthworm jim was better, besides the stretched graphics

>>3881191
no you don't you idort

>>3881869
Castlevania bloodlines does that with the shadows on the last level also

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>>3882373
>Holy fuck some people STILL can't let go of the console wars.
Well, arguing is fun. Plus, most of us have a strong opinion based on which console we owned as a kid, so it's an easy topic for everyone to contribute to (for a given definition of "contribute", anyway).

>>3882423
>normal
>well adjusted
>/vr anons
What, all three of us?

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There's no easy workaround for the Mega Drive's limited pallete, Shadow mode doesn't work for shading (Ecco 2 and Lost World tried, though) because it works per tile basis instead of a pixel-level basis. Shadow mode is only really good at simulating... shadows.

On the other hand, the BG color #0 trick is pretty interesting, you can create pretty sweet gradients, but it was rarely used. Shadow of the Beast II on the Mega CD uses this kind of interrupts and looks really cool, it also surpasses the 61 color limit because of this (pic related is exactly 75 colours).

bigger and better library

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Is this true?

>>3882786
Yes, creationists are dumbasses.

>>3882843
>doesn't fall for silly memes whose favourite evidences are proven hoaxes time and time again
>dumbasses

>>3882786
No. This dude's just a fanboy masquerading as an oldfag, under a thin veneer of objective discussion, while spouting a typical fanboy's opinion as fact.

>>3882843
Not as stupid as big bang believers, though.

>>3881937
>>3881973

Fucking this and absolutly this.
The console war faggotry in this board is fucking extreme sometimes to the point is just full retarded. No one even cares about retro things anymore to make an argument and fight about it.
I get the console wars in /v/ because it's full of young fags but not in here goddamit.
They are both awesome and I've never see sega and nintendo as enemies (in marketing only) but more as good old friends.
Fuck we will never see two console this different but so similar anymore. Sad!

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>>3882786
Hmmm. The story of how Genesis ended up beating the SNES.

Well actually, to be accurate, it's the story of how the SNES with its superior yet somehow still slow gaming system and 3rd party support that was still clearly pissed with how they were treated during the 8bit gen crushed the Mega Drive in pretty much one region which was JP, while in Japan, consumers there (most of which are born pedos and commit suicide in huge numbers) prove themselves the dumbest in the world by making the blatantly wrong choice.

I mean I remember the early 90s. I played games like SCV4. NOTHING compared to Sonic 2 or Beyond Oasis or PSIV or the other great exclusives or any of the third party titles on the Mega Drive. And hopefully people can agree that now! To me, to whole SNES in Japan is a historical take we can look back on in which most of Japan VG consumers made the wrong choice, influenced purely by autism.

And them history repeated itself Wii, Wii U, and useless expensive Amiibos. Never underestimate how just plain wrong loli porn enthusiasts can be (surprise surprise).

>>3883142
>Not as stupid as big bang believers, though.

>not understanding what the scientific method is

No one "believes" in a theory, Anon. Scientific theories have to be fallible and not regarded as hard facts, otherwise they're just pseudoscience. A theory is merely an attempt to explain some phenomenon. Theories get revised or thrown out as new information becomes available.

Religion on the other hand presents concrete conclusions and demands that its adherents believe in those conclusions and only those conclusions. This type of thinking is completely antithetical to the advancement of human knowledge.

>>3882786
MD sold in europe about the same compared to the SNES. As anecdotal evidence, in my circles more guys had the MD than the SNES

Also I'm "enjoying" how the thread is turning into a religion vs science debate. Don't like the thread? derail it. Classic /vr/

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>>3882786
>DUMB CHRISTIAN "creationists" AMERICANS
>on the wrong side of history
>tips atheist fedora
>polygon blog comment
yet another supreme gentleman shillary voter. Are most snes kids leftist cucks?

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>>3882843
>tfw to intellectual for console wars
>fuck twump and fuck dem racist white ppl

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>>3883168
dude I didnt know Bill Nye browsed /vr/

>>3881808
Bullcrap, your mock up done by color reduction on Photoshop is nada.

You know that the only reason Genesis ports from SNES games had crappy color schemes was due to lazyness and incompetence.

There's patches for games like SFIISCE that fixes the colors and the audio

There's a patch that remakes the graphics of Pac-Mania to be closer to the arcade, and it didn't just change the colors.

>>3883178
MD outsold SNES in Europe and Australia.
It was a complete tie in USA (less than 1 mil difference).
SNES blew MD the fuck out in Japan though.

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>>3883224

Made this as an apology for the shitty mockup. Tree trunks still look awful, but it's difficult to find a Genesis-compatible color that looks equally good on the trunks and the ground.

I think the only MMX stage that uses SNES-specific eye candy is Spark Mandrill's. I haven't played it in a while, though.

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i liked how some genesis games got a few late ports with extra content

>>3881876
it was gonna until nintendo cheaped out

>>3880985
>SNES was better at sports games
Genesis had the Mutant League games which are the greatest sports games of all time.

Why did the 8-bit PC Engine have two to four times as many colours it could display on screen verses the 16-bit Super Famicom and 32-bit Megadrive?

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Help me.

>>3880924
>wrpg
Shadowrun was actually a good game on SNES, and garbage on Genesis.
honestly, console wars are retarded as fuck. I was a Genesis kid, but I definitely see the value in the SNES, not limited to "music that doesn't sound like farts."

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Back in the day no knew how many colors and game had or technical details, it was only after playstation that people started caring.

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>>3885878
Blast processing though
/thread

>>3885739
it was 8x the mega drive

it still had a smaller pallete than snes even though it could show more

>>3880929
fpbp

Genesis better at bootleg games.

>>3885934
That's his point. Though it's wrong.
People did know how many colors and it was a consideration even as far back as the NES when home computers had more colors that was a selling point. Though they tended to do poorly with scrolling.

>>3882786
>JRPGS

opinion discarded, faggot has shit taste. I love the SNES but jrpgs arent really increasing appeal.

>>3883168
*dips bedora*

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>>3885828
>Shadowrun was actually a good game on SNES, and garbage on Genesis.
Get your shit taste outta here bub.

>>3881112
Try spindashing.

>>3880924
i prefer it because it has a more solid catalog.

>>3881013
that's a HUGE difference. Genesis looks so much better

>>3880924
How was the Genesis better at any of those?

The button placement sure as hell didn't help.

Also, the snes had a better sound chip.
Also, mode 7.

>>3881003
You enjoying doom?

>>3881016
The Genesis cared about sports games.

>>3881808
>DX7 owners always stuck to the presets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-hML-I5RV0

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>>3880985
>SNES was nearly always the one to chose.

WROONG

>>3880985
>SNES was nearly always the one to chose

Most EA games ran better on the Genesis, including their many sports games.

>>3881161
All the SNES did was samples. Of course the FM hardware of the genesis wasn't going to compete. I love it's purity though. It's got a great sound.

>>3881202
Tim Follin could make prog rock with a toaster.
He's an exception.
That said I don't even really agree with anon. The SNES has a good array of music from SMW to Earthbound.

Shmups have the best music out of all video games, Thunderforce 3, 4, zero wing, battlemania all have better music than any shitty ass wanna be epic RPG soundtrack. RPGs suck you only think Chrono Trigger is the best if you're a snes virgin with no friends.

>>3891091
Stop falseflagging nintendrone.

>>3891094
wat

Is there any point in the SNES/Genesis wars now?

You should know what you like from both systems by now. Idorts with both are the real winners.

>>3881808
>but there's a reason why DX7 owners always stuck to the presets.

yeah cause they didn't know what they were doing and the the dx7 itself wasn't helping

>>3891094
I'm not action games just have objectively better music than RPGs so I don't get what the fuss over fake orchestra bullshit is, even if the SNES used CD audio real orchestra still sucks ass compared to synthesized metal

Megadrive
Gunstar heroes
Splatterhouse 2
Truxton
Road rash 3
Rocket knight adventures
Wonderboy in monster world
streets of rage 2

Snes
Super metroid
Final fantasy 6
Super Mario world
Unirally
Killer instinct
Super ghouls and ghosts
Wild guns

Mah childhood

lol genenis is a shit tier system made by a shit tier failure of a company.

>> few to no good exclusives

>> terrible music. *FARTS*

>>only well known series is shit and made for literal autists

>> only games done better than SNES are sports games, and that's debatable.

>>inb4 autistic bleeps of "M-m-muh SANIC!"

>>3891091
>>3891529
Great, now we have fanboys falseflagging as retared Sega and Nintendo drones just to make each other look bad.
Just give up, losers, it's been 30 years.

>>3891529
Dont forget fightans were better on genesis

>>3891531
The fact that people can still argue about this stuff as grown men baffles me. I can't remember ever arguing about console superiority past age 14.

>>3891540
Not while games like Gundam W Endless Duel are part of the SNES' library.

>>3891531
I'm not false flagging you retard, I do love the SNES but fake orchestra music does suck ass. I like the SNES for its plethora of other games because JRPGs suck and are for loser redditors that think FF3, CT and Earthbound are the best games on the console

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SNES (including the SFC library) was better at:
>Turn-Based RPGs
>Simulation (life, construction, sports)
>Action-RPGs / Action-Adventures
>Fighting
>Puzzles
>Turn-Based Strategy / Tactical RPGs
>Board / Card games

Genesis (including the CD/32X software) was better at:
>Sports
>Shmups (vert / hori)
>Beat'em ups
>Dungeon Crawlers
>Adventures
>Run 'n Guns
>RTS

roughly the same
>Platformers (leaning towards the SNES)
>Racing (leaning towards the MD)

Prove me wrong.

>>3880924

>tfw you didn't see the "VS" at first and thought OP drew arms on the Genesis to make it look like it was fondling the SNES

>>3891782
>Shmups (vert / hori)
snes had better horis

>>3891874
WRONG

>>3891894
>no gradius
>no r-type
>no parodius
>no axelay
>no macross
>no biometal
>no un squadron
>mediocre thunder force series with only one good game

>>3891951
gradius and r-type both run at 2fps
thunderforce 3 is better than thunderforce 4 as well which you are trying to imply is the only good one. Hellfire is better than all snes horis. trouble shooter and battlemania daiginjou is better than all snes horis. Gaiares is better than all snes horis. Also bio metal is very average and everything else

>>3891874
God no.

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>>3891978
>Gaiares is better than all snes horis.

Bullshit, you're being a Sega fanboy now.

MD has a lot of great shmups, but so does the SNES.
Thunder Force III is better than IV, I agree on that.

>>3880997
SNES
>Has Squaresoft and strong Konami and Capcom lineup

Mega Drive
>Doesn't have Squaresoft and strong Konami and Capcom lineup

cool argument bro

>>3891978
>thunderforce 3 is better than thunderforce 4
>Gaiares is better than all snes horis
Point and laugh at this fucking pleb

>Hellfire is better than all snes horis
It's alright but horis weren't Toaplan's forte

>trouble shooter and battlemania daiginjou is better than all snes horis.
Decent games but too easy

>>3892015
>>3892047
gaiares is one of the best horis guys

>>3880924
I have and enjoy both.

the hardware on the snes was slightly better

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>>3891874
SNES/SFC
>Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie, R-Type III: The Third Lightning, Super R-Type, Gradius III, Phalanx, Thunder Spirits, Super Earth Defense Force, Darius Twin, Darius Force, U.N. Squadron, Parodius Da!, Gokujou Parodius!, Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius, Blazeon, Bio Metal, Cotton 100%

vs

MD/CD
>Thunder Force III, Thunder Force IV, Eliminate Down, Gaiares, Gley Lancer, Gynoug, Battle Mania, Battle Mania Daiginjou, Super Fantasy Zone, Hellfire, Zero Wing, Darius II, Sol-Deace, Aero Blasters, Bio-Hazard Battle, Steel Empire, Arrow Flash, Heavy Unit, Whip Rush, Insector X, Fire Mustang, Android Assault (CD), Lords of Thunder (CD), Keio Flying Squadron (CD)

Strongly disagree.

>>3892304
only for colors and certain kinds of music.

the genesis had a faster cpu, could handle more sprites, and output 25% more horizontal resolution for most games.

>>3892825
oh and mode 7 which was good for racing games

>>3880981

>shining force
>toejam and earl
>phantasy star
>golden axe
>shinobi
>streets of rage
>COLUMNS
>joe montana football
one could argue hang-on....

honestly, dude, if you didnt have a genesis, that's fine, but why shitpost with incorrect information?

there's probably more, this is just off the top of my head that i can remember...

>>3892028

>contra hardcorps was a genesis exclusive

>>3882541
Shir a cute! CUTE!

>>3881084
That game is hot dog shit.

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>>3880924
Don't forget 'bout dat aspect ratio doh.

I like both and even though some of my favorite 16 bit games came out on the SNES, I still prefer Genesis a little more.

>>3897864
>that emulatorfag bait

>>3880924
genesis is trash

the only good games are sonic 2 and bloodlines.

>>3897945
But Bloodlines was the worst Konami Genesis game.

genesis was a shit tier console by a failed shit tier company, whose best known series was made for literal autists, with few to no good exclusives.

>>inb4 autistic bleeps of M-M-MUH SANIC! GOTTA GO FAST!

>>3897962
You mean Sparkster. Or Zombies Ate My Neighbors.

>>3899607
RKA2 is still more fun to play than Autoscrollines.

>ZAMN
That is a LucasArts game.

>>3897864
The right one while wider seems to have consistent uniform pixels as well, why cant systems like the AVS do this properly?

>>3882430
>earthworm jim was better
Yes, especially when playing back the music at the wrong tempo through a wind tunnel.

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>>3893647
>Popular
When I talk to people about older games they always gravitate towards the SNES because it did have franchises established before it and continued through it.

Not many people pick something like Phantasy Star, Toejam and Earl, and especially not Joe Montana Football.