I can't believe I never developed any kind of hatred for

by holding the controller correctly and not using a broken stick

basically, using it the way that people of average intelligence used it in 1996

>have no problems with this controller back in the day
>buy a USB one now for emulation nights

It's so bad, so awkward to hold. What the fuck man.

also the gamecube stick has crazy deadzones compared to the n64 original (due to its use of potentiometers instead of optical sensors), so you've pretty much boned yourself

I don't get what you're complaining about.

>I tried the GC joystick replacement, and while the feel is much better, aiming is literally impossible.

Yeah, exactly, the N64 controller makes aiming better than GC or any other controller.

It's like you're contradicting yourself, or wording it poorly.

the default analog stick is tremendous. I install the GC style replacement stick all the time at my job and they feel like shit. There's no precision, it doesn't register presses at anything less than about 40-50% I'd say, making it only viable for pretty much 100% or not at all. The default stick works far better.

I think you just have a shit controller that has a dug out stick base. That or you're just shit, but I don't like that accusation.

>>3869170
git gud

>>3869170
Those GC joysticks do not work and maybe if you read any of the 1000 reviews you'd know that. If you had bought a regular joystick replacement this thread would not exist.

>>3869181
Exactly. There's this fucking meme going around saying the N64 had a bad controller. The wearing out of the analogue was bad, that's the price you pay for precision. You have cynical retards going around saying "Nintendo made it that way to make you buy new controllers" as if that would make any sense.... they made it that way because it's the ONLY way to get that level of precision. To this day all of the aftermarket and 3rd party controllers use extremely shitty modern style analogues (that are even worse on the N64 which wasn't designed for them), apart from the super expensive Hori controller.

So I don't understand OP's problem, he just seems to just want to be a memelord, he was smarter as a kid than he is now.

>>3869175
Where the fuck did I mention my stick was broken? Are you dumb?

>>3869180
Aiming is possible. It's just a pain in the ass.

Whereas with a GC replacement JS, it's impossible.

It's like I'm talking to a bunch of kids

Just to clear things out a bit, this is the JS I could get my hands on

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replacement-Joystick-Part-for-Nintendo-64-N64-NEW-/121147631232?hash=item1c34f62680:m:mF9kx5ejrT8crP09dvwlrzw

Here's a quick rundown:

1. GC style replacement is overly sensitive because it can only register joystick tilt to about 40 degrees, as opposed to the original which registers to about 60 degrees, so now tilting by 40 degrees is the same as 60 degrees and everything between 40 and 60 is irrelevant.

2. Chink knock off joysticks are much closer to original but they squeak and their geometry is a little fucked up, still better than GC knock offs.

3. A German dude makes custom internals for the GC style joysticks that can register the full 60 degrees. The only downside is the geometry is a little fucked up in the diagonals which is only known to affects Goldeneye and Perfect Dark when trying to use the crosshair to move the camera. They sell out quick and take months to come back in stock (they are in stock now). Requires you to open your controller and know how to solder. Link: nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5803.msg39765

4. If you open up your controller and disassemble the joystick on a tight controller you can lube it up with white lithium grease. This is your absolute best option for smooth aiming and long lasting controllers.

5. You can buy a HORI mini pad from Japan for $100 which uses a GC style joystick with the proper geometry. This is the holy grail of N64 controllers but costs more than the console itself.

>>3869232
I've been thinking about those Hori pads ...

Only thing that buggers me is that they're all used and you'll get them for 100$ with the shipping

>>3869232
how about the gamecube to n64 adapter?

>>3869232
He can also buy replacement gears for like $0.20 a piece, which are the main parts that wear out.

Well fuck it I just bought a HORI on ebay for 90$.

Hope it's as good as hey say. At least I'll be able to have fun with starfox 64

>>3869247

Chink knock offs. Shit.

>>3869242

Remapping keys is a deal breaker for me

>>3869215
>Aiming is possible. It's just a pain in the ass.

With an original N64 controller? It isn't, it'd be much harder to aim with any other controller.

That's why I don't get your complaint.
What's wrong with SF64? There's a reason why it's a well liked game, the gameplay is amazing and the controls are spot on.
Playing it with another controller, like GC, changes the experience for the worse.

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>there are some people on /vr/ so young they don't know the beautiful feeling of precision from a brand new or well maintained N64 controller

>>3869242

The gamecube joystick is not the same geometry as the N64 controller.

>>3869254
No, there are good ones that are possibly literally the exact same thing molecularly and are known to drastically improve the gears back to partly their original status. The only downside is that they are not the only parts that wear out which is why they're not talked about as the holy grail, nothing to do with "chink knockoffs".

>>3869273
Nope. Changed a lot of N64 joysticks, these ones are made differently. A lot cheaper than OEM joysticks.

Get good
The original controls are fine

>>3869170
>as a kid
So you're saying you won't develop a hatred for it for at least a few more years? People who grew up in DS controllers seem to have a hard time adjusting to sticks with a throw of more than 1mm.

>>3869673
I'm 27. How old are you grandmaster?

>>3870061
Were that even true, your daughter being better than me at N64 is of very little shame compared to the fact that a 49 years old guy is baiting for replies on 4chan.

I sure hope I don't end up like that. But I doubt I will.

>>3870076
I said my daughter knows how to use a controller not that she's "better at N64 than you". I guess she probably is because, well, she knows ho to use the controller. lol.
I'm not baiting anything aside from hooks when I go fishing. Here I'm just trying to help some younglings learn a thing or two.
There's an old saying. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. I guess that needs updating. The horse doesn't believe the water should exist because it's not the bestest most specialist snowflake at drinking the water and so because all opinions are fact the water does not exist. So sad.

>>3870174
Sorry your life is shit old man.

>>3870174
u alright bud?

>>3870220
You don't know anything about his life.

oh yeah, because he posts on the exact same message board you're posting on now he must be lame.

>>3870249
Did i indirectly hurt your feelings too,anon? Do you feel like the post would fit your situation as well?

If you can't handle a bit of tackling, I suggest you leave for Reddit where you can circlejerk freely

>>3870174
Man I'm glad my grandfather died long before internet was common. This is way beyond pathetic.

>>3869232
Can vouch for lubing with grease. If you have/pick up a good stick lube it to make it last significantly longer. It's easy to do too, there's guides on youtube.

>>3870409
>Man I'm glad my grandfather died

In what kind of shit-infested mind does that sound like a good thing to say?

>>3870220
>>3870230
Babies gonna babe

>>3870409
>Man I'm glad my grandfather died
Probably never met your gamps but I've rarely been glad about anyone kicking the bucket. This is way beyond pathetic that you get off on it.

Hi there. Currently playing Super Mario 64.

Man, I think you just should learn how to use a controller. You like games don't you?

I think this board should be called Retro Games Constant Complain or something like that.

>>3869232

Back in the day I used to just open up the stick housing and clean out all the junk that collects over time and they'd be good as new.

>>3870174
Think you mean your wifes daughter

>>3870690
slick burn dude

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>>3869170
I always thought this was the dumbest most retarded looking controller ever. Second only to the nes baby chocolate bar controller and snes little doggy treat controller.

Ps1 did it best with the dualshock and it was over since then. Any attempts to imporve on that have been shit and anything before it was shit (even the early ps1 controller- although it was better than all the other ones listed because the grip and directional/back/front buttons actually made sense). You have Seperate buttons for the directionals, four simple buttons in the front, two sensible buttons in the middle, and four perfect buttons in the back. You can't improve on perfection. All gamepads from then on stole or based their shit on this. And before you tell me it got inspired by the snes doggy treat controller, I'm gonna tell you that even if that's true, I dont care. This one is better.

>>3870852
Too bad dualshock didn't come out when the ps1 actually did. So many games don't have analogue support because of this.

>>3870856
this is a pity but I hope we can technically circumvent that on an emulator/pc...? don't quote me on that.

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>>3870852
>hates all Nintendo controllers
>thinks the controller that copied the SNES design but with a segmented d-pad was the best

>>3870858
Only if the game supports negcon which predates dualshock, since it can be emulated.

http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sony/ps1/the-namco-negcon-and-the-playstation-games-supported

>>3870852
You're aware that the PS1 controller is just a "doggytreat" controller with added handles, right?
Also the directionals aren't "separate buttons" retard, it's 1 piece of plastic divided in 4 parts for no reason whatsoever other than maybe trying to not get sued by Nintendo for copying their d-pad, resulting in a much less seamless and comfortable d-pad that seems like it's 4 buttons, but it's really not.

Playstation controllers are mediocre and honestly kinda shit.
If you wanted to act like a tough anti-nintendo teenager, you could have mentioned the Saturn, which has a god-tier d-pad.

>>3869170
To beat ganon, just do this:
>stand in front of him and lure am attack
>roll under his legs
>slash his tail
>repeat

>>3870860
it is the best cos you dont have the bottons glued together, for example this isn't /vr/, but the xbox coaster dpad is retarded because you cant press in one direction alone without slipping and sliding and see-sawing; op is just the retarded ancestor of that.

And I already mentioned it probably inspired the ps1 controller, but I dont care. Also what the fuck is up with reatarded controllers putting thumbsticks in completely different places on the pad? That is also retarded. Not to mention being different sizes.

>>3870865
Yeah but the grips obviously matter? The differences make this one better. The ps1 dpad is better because it's easier to use than the slip-n-slide flat seesaw cross dpad; have you never used a dpad before? There is a big difference in comfort level and specificity. I love dpads more than sticks so it makes a huge difference to me when the buttons are designed so they're easier to press, and if you wanna slip or jump across, man that's a good feeling.

>If you wanted to act like a tough anti-nintendo teenager, you could have mentioned the Saturn, which has a god-tier d-pad.

I wish I was that, just so I can entertain you for "schooling" me. I don't remember the Saturn pad that well, I know I played it a lot but childhood is a blur so I don't remember shit.

>>3870875
lol I gotta laugh how many times I used the word retarded.

or "reatarded"

>>3870875
You are retarded.

>>3870890
Thanks!!

>>3870852
I agree. There's a reason the playstation has only seen incremental improvements to the controller design while nintendo needs a new 'flavor-of-the-month' controller for every new console.

>>3870906
Since Wii it's obvious they've been going for more gimmicks with their console stuff. But if you look at their handhelds you can see they aren't as crazy with the designs there.

>>3869176
Well there's your problem. Third party controllers are mostly terrible.

>>3869170
Turok and Star Fox on the N64 are fine, are you holding it right?

>>3869170
cause as a kid you just assumed it was cool and capable of amazing things.

>>3870061
somebody ban this asshole

>>3871631
couldn't agree more.

I loved this controller as a kid, but last night I played some Goldeneye for the first time in years and dude, it was a painful experience.
Anyways it still works great for most games

Are you guys using the solitaire 1.2 configuration? Everyone should be using that, particularly with a worn down pad. Practically every single speedrunner uses it also (until the two-controller fiasco anyway).

Whoever thought that it would be a good idea to make going forward and backward analogue rather than looking up and down? It's ridiculous, it would be a bit like using the mouse to go forward and backward on PC.

>>3871869
hm.

I'll have to try this out.

>>3869197
It's not a meme and they fact that you have to write such long winded crap in order to defend it proves it's utter shit. Get over it nerd.

>>3872128
Finally a sane person

>>3872128
He has more arguments than you so I'd say you're in the wrong here.

>>3870870
I thought it was obvious I was talking about his 1st phase.

Final phase is easier than most bosses

That Hori Minipad looks ugly as sin but the ergonomics look godly.

I know people are nostalgic for the N64 but it really is a godawful controller. I'm glad designs got better over time

>>3872204
The only flaw it has is that the stick gets loose with too much use, and that's still only half a flaw because the stick is still one of the most precise sticks ever.

>>3872228
Maybe the original ones from nintendo, but the replacement ones we find on ebay are utter trash.

>>3874559
Yeah, I don't recommend replacing the sticks, they lose the original precision.
Even "loose" or beat up sticks will be more precise than the replacement ones.
I believe there was some guys trying to make some better replacement sticks, but can't remember for sure. It's possible that eventually someone will come up with replacement sticks that are actually good and not just a Gamecube stick though.

As for original Nintendo ones, I hear the japanese ones have more durable sticks, compared to the american/euro ones, not sure how true is that.

>>3874563
Well I threw the towel and bought an HORI. Still waiting for it. Last dime I put on n64 controllers, considering I already have 2 originals with replacement sticks.

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/vr/, stop being a bag of dicks and fighting over the dumbest fucking things. I understand this board lost its charm shortly a few months after the board was created, but come on.

Everyone knows the replacement GameCube sticks are horrible. This is most likely a troll thread or OP is so fucking new to the retro scene it hurts.

>Shit thread
>Shit posts, including mine

>>3874603
>Everyone knows the replacement GameCube sticks are horrible.

What the sweet fuckery are you even vomiting? You high?

When did I fucking say ''GameCube'' sticks were good for the N64? Learn to read or fuck off to china with your ching chong comics you nerd.

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>>3874610

>When did I fucking say ''GameCube'' sticks were good for the N64?

OP

>I tried the GC joystick replacement, and while the feel is much better, aiming is literally impossible.

>>3874619
I fucking repeat just for your extra chromosed ass

When did I fucking say ''GameCube'' sticks were good for the N64?

>>3874628
>I fucking repeat just for your extra chromosed ass
>I tried the GC joystick replacement, and while the feel is much better, aiming is literally impossible.
"The Gamecube Controller stick is better, but I never said it was better!"

>>3874628
Not him but I found that worded weirdly as well. When people talk about "the feel" of a controller, they usually mean the feel of the control, not the literal tactile feeling of it (?). Don't blame him if you're using words different to how they usually are.

>>3874649
No controller that are impossible to aim with are good. How is this so fucking hard to get through your autistic brain.

The joystick sucks ass control-wise. It feels much better on the thumb STILL. Do the Mario Party 1 joystick challenge with both and even a mental institute intern like you would say the same. It feels better on the thumb. The actual feel, not the fucking emotional shit or whatnot.

Also, stop using greentext and '' here's what you said but didn't say'' shit to put your arguments upfront. Seriously, aren't we supposed to be less memey around here? Are we on /b/ 2.0 or what?

>>3874578
Bad news, the Hori sticks have GC-like sticks. They're good, but forget about having the same precision as the originals for games that require aiming.

N64 controller was great, only problem was the stick wearing down, so far only one controller has done that to me, the one i used all the time as a kid, got it when i was 9 or 10.

>>3872169
As long as you don't need a dpad it's great

>>3874917
But the analog stick of the Hori minipad still isn't as precise as an actual N64 controller, despite the shilling?

>>3874925
Did you really try it out or you're just parroting? Legit question.

>>3874708

They are not GC-style, they look like they are, but they are not.