when exactly did "retro gaming" go from being a poor

Because back then they weren't retro they were just old. I'm sure you could find a ps2 with a huge stack of bad games with one or two decent ones for $30.

>>3783271
Emulators are free. It still is a poor person's hobby.

>>3783271
same, ive got an old netbook and thats it, the only games itll play are like pre-2004 so emulators and some source ports are the only way for me to game

> except it wont play anything with shader language garbage

> so it wont play PS2 emulator

>>3783271

Gentrification of the market, likely thanks to YouTube and those stupid fucking "YOUR OLD NES TAPES COULD BE WORK THOUSANDS!" articles. Sad but true.

>>3783306
Don't discard the fact people who enjoyed these games back then went from "broke kid" in 1987 to "40-year-old with a six-figure salary" in 2017.

It can only drive prices up.

>>3783271
Retro gaming is free (emulators). Retro collecting is expensive.

And frankly it's not that expensive. We're talking about collecting $20 games, not $3,000 bags or $20,000 watches.

>>3783319

Certainly that plays a part. I don't care for the most part since I don't care much about collecting these days, save for a few more arcade things that I need to pick up (and even that seems to be on the upswing, fortunately I picked up most of the more expensive stuff that I want a few years ago).

Only depressing thing is when it starts to invade the prototype market. Hopefully the moneybags types who developed an interest in that at least back them up.

>>3783338
Most of the people who seem to care at the moment are archivalfags so they'll probably dump them and everything just fine.

>>3783271
I didn't notice retro gaming becoming a popular "thing" until the early 2010s. Suddenly I started seeing all these pictures of game collections of games and it wasn't just modern stuff, the vintage stuff looked really cool compared to the modern stuff that anyone could pick up at Gamestop or Walmart.

>>3783271
I just stopped playing new games because most of them suck

I didn't cross the line over to retro gaming, time and shitty new games put me in this category

>>3783271
Because "retro gaming" then was only about 10-15 or so years behind. You can still get consoles that are 10-15 years old for hella cheap, as most poor people do.

>>3783271
When?
When the kids who grew up having fun with those toys got old and bitter enough to look back and crave those happy days they took for granted again. But now they have the money to buy it all, and while they will never be able to buy those "good days" back, they'll enjoy the short and far less exciting joy each time they get something new and add it to the pile, hoarding it all, hoping for it to make them happy as it did when they were young.

You can buy PS3 and original Wii games for cheap.

There is a very important distinction between retro and old.

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>>3783271
Interests are free, hobbies are expensive. For your passing interest, there's always emulation, for those who collect it can add up.

Sadly, I am cursed with being poor and dumb. So I too only have old games and games for systems no one likes. I am a bit embarrassed even then to frequent clearance sections just to get my video gaming. I see all of my friends enjoying Overwatch, but I cannot join them given my pay grade. I still do have fun with all the old games I have, but it would be nice to join in on the hottest thing.

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>>3783542
>There is a very important distinction between retro and old.

There is indeed. Which 99% of the people on this board, along with those who titled it and wrote the sticky, fail to grasp.

We should be posting on /vo/, not /vr/

>>3783606
That's not what he meant. You need a newer dictionary, my man. You're Oxford and the cool kids are all Merriam-Webster.

>>3783329
I was about to say as far as hobbies go it is pretty good.

I spend about $20 a week and can get away with 1-3 games or spend $75 and get a whole console.

I love this hobby. Most the consoles make good conversation starters and unlike what most of /vr/ thinks normal people think retro games are cool and at least want to see something they never have before in action.

Had a pong tourney with friends just this weekend.

>>3783271
Get a better paying job scrub. Stop being poor. I have a complete SNES and N64 library and there is nothing you can do about it poorfag. Go play xbox 360 poorfag. Eat beans and die of malnutrition.

>>3784152
bullshit let me see that eXtertainment bike/speed racer timestamped.

>>3784161
Pay up faggot.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270638233009

it's not that expensive
going out to the bar costs more money

>>3784164
>296
seems kind of a low amount of games for a system

>>3784167
I dont own the nip games. Or Europoor exlcusives. I bought everything at launch or second hand. The two zelda games were literally 1.25 USD used when I bough them. I am going to make a huge profit off my investment.

>when
Around 2007-2008 with the trend of reviewing classic games on youtube, also around this time the people who originally grew up with the classic games began to re-collect them. So it was kind of a petri dish of demand multiplying on itself.

>>3784172
that's pretty fair.
I got 2 ocarinas and a majora's for $5 each last week. seems like the n64 has the least damaging heavy hitters

>>3784172
So you don't have a complete library

>>3784152

beans are good as fuck for you

>>3783271
where exactly is this place and how is it legal?

>>3783271
>rape sux!

Lmao

>>3783271

>be a kid in the late 80's/early 90's
>parents only buy maybe 4 to 6 games a year
>now in my 30's
>single with disposable income
>finally get to fill my shelves with the games my parents refused to buy 25+ years ago

Feels good, not gonna lie.

>>3783271

>dat framed picture of iwata

lmao

i love this.

>>3783559

dont worry, overwatch isnt even fun.

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>>3784231
>mfw I'm going to buy a Neo Geo because I was mad to be too poor for it in the 90s
>mfw these games at 1890 F ($290) a pop will be finally mine
>and there's nothing, NOTHING you can do to stop me

>>3784172
>huge profit
>5.5k
That's just sad anon.

>>3784231
lol 4 - 6 a year you lucky dog

>>3784281
Which modern AAA game is fun though?

Seen from the outside, they all look like some mind-numbing, hyper-realistic borefest with no soul at all.

>>3784308
Depends on how many he repeats this profit desu

>>3784326
how many times*

REEEEEE

>>3784313
The problem with your question is that there is no actual definition of "AAA" meaning that it's impossible to answer that, and I don't think any game has officially claimed to be AAA for that exact reason.

Not to mention the term just showed up out of nowhere and suddenly everyone started using it all at the same time, which is part of the reason gaming journalism is less reliable than even the likes of Fox News.

>>3783329
Are you a fucking idiot? Contra goes for $50-$60 now. There was a time you could walk into a pawnshop and buy it for $2. You are scum

>>3784343
Come on, it just means "the rly rly big games lol".

>>3784354
Define "big". 100,000 sales? 1,000,000 sales? 10,000,000 sales? 500,000,000 sales?

>>3783559
>extremely frugal
>think buying downloadable anything is irrational and stupid when you can just pirate
>start buying steam games on sale
>"I guess I'll pay $10 max for a game"
>Doom 2016 is released for $80
>Star Wars Battle Front 3 for $100
>wait a year
>Both go on sale for less than $20
>Own 500 games on PC

It adds up Anon.

>>3784351
$50 is not expensive. People routinely blow much more in restaurants, clothes, etc.

I mean, if $50 is too expensive for you, you have issues (and not being able to play Contra is not one of them).

>>3784357
Games that visibly did cost more than usual to make, and have significant marketing budgets as well (so most people are aware of it).

Same thing than a "blockbuster" for movies.

So, as I said, the rly big games lol.

>>3784361
You have issues if you are spending $50 on some shit you can get from ali express for 14$ with 700 other games. I'm not going to spend $40 to play FESTERS QUEST. Gimme a break you shelf collector elitist.

>>3784358
>extremely frugal
>spends money on vidya

Anon...

>>3784368
Again; hard numbers, and not all games release their budget or funding for various reasons.

>>3784361

You totally missed his point. Sure, $50 isn't a huge investment, but would you pay $50 for, say, a gallon of milk? People who have been in the collecting game for a long time frame the new prices in this mindset. They see things that were once dirt cheap now selling for many multiples of what they used to cost.

>>3784375
I don't even collect, I just point out the fact that collecting games cannot be considered expensive if you have a decent first world income.

>>3784381
Stop ruining this thread like M. Bison and answer the fucking question now. Which rly rly big games (or just any non-indie game) are fun today?

>>3784382
It's how the market works. If you're in the market for a long time, you should have all the major games now, so why complaining that Contra or Donkey Kong aren't $1 anymore...? What were you doing exactly during all this time? Waiting for the games to reach $0.50 because $1 was still too much?

Around 2009 is when the market started to jump and every year it gets worse.

I find it interesting how certain games that used to be pricey on systems are actually cheaper now. Pirates! Gold and Tactics Ogre come to mind.

>>3784361
How lonely are you?

>>3784404

Wasn't Tengen Tetris hot back in the mid-2000s? It looks like that hasn't exploded in price or anything.

>>3784398

Yes, I do have the "major" games that I want, and I don't really even collect retail games any more. I pretty much just need a few more arcade titles and I can consider my collection finished. Now even those are going up, I got a Battletoads PCB some years back for $150 or so and now dipshits are apparently paying $300+ a board. If anything I've (theoretically) benefited from it, but that doesn't mean I won't bitch about trend-hoppers fucking up the market for the few titles I'm still missing.

>>3784313
DOOM has been nothing but fun, but of course it is technically a reboot.

>>3784426
Are you talking eBay prices? Actual sold items or just listed items?

Avoid eBay should be the #1 rule of every sensible collector, for anything. It's convenient but prices are 10 times too high. Only physical shops for collectors are worse.

>>3784425
>asking this on 4chan

>>3784398
Again, define "indie". You can't go around tossing buzzwords without strict definition because as soon as I name anything, you will yank your flappy tits straight out, start flailing them everywhere, and give it "UMMMM UMMMMMMMM UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM" like a /r/twoxchromosomes triggerbitch.

I've learned over the years to never debate any gamer unless some concrete is poured.

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>>3784428
>mfw Doom still exists in 2017

>>3784436
Okay, NAME LITERALLY ANY RECENT GAME THAT'S FUN, THANKS

>inb4 define "recent"
>inb4 define "game"
>inb4 define "fun"

Fucking hell.

>>3784443
Doom 4, Ori and the Blind Forest, Creepy Castle, Atelier Sophie, Tales of Berseria, those have been eating up my time recently and I'm about to check out RE7 which comes off as really good.

>>3784451
UMMMMMMM...

J/k, thanks

>>3784451
>Creepy Castle
I want to enjoy that game but good god it gets repetitive. It's one of those games that you can make tiny changes to for major improvements.

>>3784313

Have you tried Saints Row 3 or 4?

>>3784443
I unironically had a blast playing shovel knight.

>>3784494
I don't even know what it is. My last console was the Dreamcast.

>>3784507
The opening mission of Saints Row 3 involves robbing a bank while wearing oversized plastic heads, and the police tell you to "autograph and put down your weapon".

It's a third person crime game like GTA3-onwards but it doesn't take itself seriously. At all.

>>3784164
The N64 only got 296 games in America? What a piece of shit failure of a console.

>>3784574
I don't think you know what you're talking about.

>>3784591
Next you're gonna say Nintendo wanted to restrict software releases to avoid an Atari situation.

>>3784607
I don't think you know what you're talking about.

>>3784639
Or perhaps...it is you who does not know of which he speaks?

>>3784231
>4-6 games a year
>only
I got one for my birthday and one for christmas. If I got 3 in a year I was stoked

>>3784713
Basically the same, but I also got one from my grandparents, and my brother asked for some too. So some years we got 8 games.

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I think around 2010 gamers finally realized that the industry slogan nothing-is-older-than-yesterdays-games was just in place to make them buy the latest crap. The more this industry gears towards corporate greed the more people have tuned out. They are going back to the times when games were predominantly about fun and not about big money foremost.

Or in other words, and as anon >>3783428
already said, most recent games are shallow crap.

I could imagine we might be headed for another videogames crash entirely fueled by corporate greed.

>>3784351
Get a job.

I don't get why people complain about game prices also hate on collectors. If you're not a collector why do you care about prices? You've tons of low cost to free alternatives.

Is it just jealousy from poorfags?

>>3783271
This retro gaming phenomenon makes me feel awful that I pretty much lost or gave away most of my retro stuff. Two big reasons for me are:

>would love to play the games again on original hardware using the original controllers
>they can be worth so much money had I kept all of it

>>3784507
In fairness, if you're this out of touch with modern gaming then how can you comment on the state of it?

>>3784905
My comment doesn't go much further than "it seems to suck", based on literally every game I see (which is not much, nor a well-informed impression) when going at a friend's house.

Anyway, I stopped playing games because I was horrified by the lack of good funny games (especially during the dark days of PS2-Xbox-GC), not the other way round.

>maybe u just grew up and stopped liking childrens games lol?
But I enjoy little Android games like PewPew.

>>3784953
It's probably your friend's taste that sucks. RE7 is great.

>>3785001
Among the boring games I saw: GTA V, Battlefield 3, the various Final Fantasy, stuff like that.

Only the Wii games looked amusing, but they were not deep enough to make me shell out money and/or felt too "Nintendo" for me (I was a Sega kid and the death of Sega consoles left me sad and alone).

I have not seen a Resident Evil game since the PS1.

>>3785031
>Sega kid
Sega makes great modern games.
>Binary Domain
>Alpha Protocol
From the top of my head.

>>3785057
Just saw videos of these two games. Looks like any action movie. Zzzzz...

>>3785125
You dont know what you are talking about unless you try them.
I will leave at that.

>>3785131
Hmm, I never enjoyed these games (even MGS or Doom in the 90s), but I'll see.

>>3785139
If you plan on playing Binary Domain please remember to turn off Voice Control in options menu.

>>3783793
>unlike what most of /vr/ thinks normal people think retro games are cool and at least want to see something they never have before in action
You must live in another universe than mine's.

>>3783271
its always been like this. it's just that "poor mans gaming" is now the ps2/ps3 era. Before that it was the ps1/ps2 era and before that the previous generation and so forth.

>>3785187
The prices for PS2 on eBay are astonishing.

>console + 40 games + extra stuff
>100 euros

I still live in a mental world where PS2 sold for thousands on eBay (before its release), where only the rich kids could afford it...

>>3785212
>console + 40 games + extra stuff
>100 euros

Fucking where?
Find me one and Im buying one right now.
Local ebay PS1 cost at least 150 euros.

>>3785217
Example of PS2 + 30 games sold for €90:

http://m.ebay.fr/itm/Lotto-giochi-console-Ps2-PlayStation-2-controller-joypad-memory-card-/182389571474?nav=SEARCH

>>3785224
>apparently it was NOT sold
>no one wanted it at this price

>>3785224
Very nice.
Thanks man

>>3785226
So, PS2 with 30 games sold for €73:

http://m.ebay.fr/itm/Console-Sony-PlayStation-2-PS2-Controller-Memory-Card-8MB-30-Giochi-PS2-/272522983847?nav=SEARCH

>yeah, I browse the French eBay in Italian from my cell phone, so what?

>>3783606

How many times have you posted this

>>3783280
this. I had a housemate who picked up 12 PS2 games and a 40inch TV for $100.

cause americans are assholes that think a lot of really old shit is valuable and jack all the prices up. you should collect ps3 you wanna play some time now before these faggots jack the prices up 20 years from now

>>3786628
Yup. Greedy fucksticks trying to make a buck doing zero actual real work.

>>3786628
too bad that whole generation of games sucks

>>3786628
>think a lot of really old shit is valuable and jack all the prices up

If they do find buyers at higher prices, they're right to think it's valuable.

>>3786634
i dont like japan or anything but i like the fact over there that retro games aren't seen as valuable as it is in the west. they think it's just junk and sell it really cheap. i wish that viewpoint was in the same here. some people i seen in videos or forum posts talking about their retro game collection grew it so large that it makes you wonder how many games they actually play. just seems like a bunch of hoarders.

>>3784398
Because the "market" is basically a bunch of scalpers that figured out that you can buy up a bunch of games that no one really give a shit about that had a small number released and treat them like they're rarer than diamonds by raising their price and scream "Look at how expensive this is! It must be a hell of a game to be THIS much!"

Until scalpers figured that they could bilk people out of money, the only things that were actually expensive were things like Stadium Events and NES Challenge.

>>3786639
true, can't deny that. i would just rather buy few games and just play them a lot. im just a cheap bastard, ignore me.

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>>3784152
>this frustration

>>3784172
>I am going to make a huge profit off my investment.
>5,000 dollars
You can make that much money flipping burgers at McDonald's for 2 months, you gotta be fucking joking or underage to think that's a huge profit

How long did you spend amassing this minuscule collection of shitty games

>>3786647
>>5,000 dollars
>You can make that much money flipping burgers at McDonald's for 2 months, you gotta be fucking joking or underage to think that's a huge profit

>thinks fast wood workers at mcdonalds make $30k/yr
>doesn't know the difference between wages and profit

>>3786661
>selling N64 games automatically equates to making 30k a year even though you can only sell the games once
Do you really have no concept of how to make money? Are you this much of a manchild? I'm saying you aren't getting a good return on investment if all you're getting is 5,500 dollars, because it likely took you a year or 2 to amass all those games in the first place you faggot. In that time you could have easily done any other number of things like actually invest in stocks that would have yielded much higher profits, or flip burgers and save up.

>>3783271
Shit I'm poor and I just got a Wii, I'm typing this on a Sony Vaio Pc from like 2003 that was 2nd hand from my uncle. I'm always like 10-15 years behind everybody else when it comes to playing video games but it works out for me because I find cheap ass stuff at the flea market and thrift shops. I've never sold anything and I have all my old consoles and games going back to the 80's. Now that I have a Wii and a shit ton of roms I'm thinking of selling off a bunch of my stuff I found cheap as fuck and cash in on this before the bubble bursts.

>>3784375
Fuck Fester's Quest, I had 4 copies of that game back from collecting in the 90's and I traded one for a boxed Blaster Master and the guy gave me 10 dollars. I dunno wtf he was thinking but I hate that game and I traded another copy away for a bunch of controllers too. If anyono would pay 40 dollars for that shitty game they deserve to be ripped off.

>>3786668
Who says he didn't do all of those?

>>3786695
Because he considers collecting video games as an "investment" when it's really just pocket change.

>>3783319
>six figure salary

lol

>>3786628
list (5) good ps3 games

>>3786668
so if you stopped for 1 minute to pick up a 20 dollar bill would you consider that a waste of time?
I don't know about you but I'd rather make less money doing something I enjoy rather then become soulless.

>>3786736
1. Your Mom
2. Your Mom 2 : Return of Herpes
3. Your Mom III: BBC Lover 4Ever
4. Your Mom IV : Dad's Suicide
5. Your Mom V : Mulatto Brothers

>>3783329
>We're talking about collecting $20 games
Oh how I wish we were.

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>>3787504
>Your Mom V : Mulatto Brothers

How's this entitled poor baby general going?

i have plenty of money and i still emulate lmao

>>3787535
It's full of people who argue against the market because they have no money, and no games either, seemingly.

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>>3787552
Or the other way round: you have plenty of money BECAUSE you emulate.

But seriously, I'm rich and wouldn't even consider paying $30 for a NES game. Utter waste of money desu.

>>3787553
Sounds like some things never change. It must suck being old enough to post on this site but not old enough to understand how to budget or work for what you want.

>>3787556
Once metallic hydrogen is confirmed and put to practical use they'll never need to drill for oil over there at all.

>>3785170
I go to a major American university.
Tons of "neo-hipsters"

>>3787559
Guess they should spend more time on /biz/ and less on /h/.

>>3783295
this.

GAMES SHOULD BE SUPER CHEAP BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO BE

ALSO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT A NES GAME WAS 10 YEARS OLD 15 YEARS AGO AND TODAY ITS 25 YEARS OLD

Why is Majoras mask like 50$, it's not even rare.

>>3783793
Where do you go to shop for old games? I've always wanted a N64 and recently I've decided to get one, but everywhere that I've seen online games and the console are pretty expensive.

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>mfw PS2 games, worth $1 today, will be $30 in 2030
>mfw all the idiots will complain because they think it's old junk in 2017, and will join the "retro" bandwagon around 2029 when it's too late
>mfw I told you so

>>3788009
I still go in pawn shops and those fuckers still ask $5 a pop for shitty ps2 games
Bastards!

>>3788009
Where r these cheap ps2 stuffs

>>3788009
I rarely see $1 ps2 games, most stuff I've seen want $8 for madden or other shitty game

>>3788019
>>3788023
>>3788069
I've bought at least 100 $1 PS2 games over the last 3 years. Not sports or music games either.

>>3788023
Buy them wholesale on eBay.

You can even go below $1 then.

When "mainstream" game stores stopped selling them. FuncoLand used to have a whole cart full of NES games. They still carried them for a while after it became GameStop. They had NES through GameCube in the same store.

This made "retro gaming" much easier to get into. You didn't need to hunt for games at garage sales or buy online. Getting into NES gaming was as easy as getting into GameCube gaming, but cheaper.

The prices were much lower because they were old games they were getting rid of instead of collectibles. This regulated the prices, so eBay sellers couldn't sell them for insane prices because it would be cheaper to buy them at the store.

Retro gaming is cheaper than ever with emulators. If you want a collection then you're gonna have to pay but that's pretty much the way with anything.

People on /vr/ act like it's purely the fault of hipsters that snes games are expensive when it's not.

>>3789335
Maybe some of us like to play games without the added input lag from emulator + LCD.

>>3789335
Emulators were around when real games and systems were much cheaper.

>>3783271
Retro gaming literally costs you nothing if you emulate, assuming you have a computer/tablet/smartphone/PS3/Wii/etc.

>poor
>not emulating
>not flashcarting

Jesus christ.

>>3790470
Paranoid faggot.

>>3790471
Report, don't respond. Replying to shitposters only enables them. I've seen this happen plenty of times on /vg/.

>>3789335
t. reseller scum

it is hipsters fault. an example would be stunt racer for n64. not a particularly good game, but harder to find since it was blockbuster exclusive. last summer it could be had for $45. literally one douche bag pays $130 on ebay and the whole market is fucked now

>>3784351
Cry more

>>3784893
pretty much

>>3783271
>when exactly did "retro gaming" go from being a poor person's only way to game to insanely expensive hobby?
when faggot hipsters started claiming it for themselves and resellers began seeing that they could begin making big bucks on "vintage" gamer shit

>guy A buys Lords of Thunder for pennies from an estate sale

>guy A sells Lords of Thunder to guy B for $100
>guy B sells Lords of Thunder to guy A for $110
>guy A sells Lords of Thunder to guy B for $125
>guy B sells Lords of Thunder to guy A for $150

>guy C buys Lords of Thunder from guy A for $155
>guy A gained $150
>guy B gained $5

Now replace guys A and B with online resellers who operate out of their homes to avoid business costs. Replace guy C with anyone else.

>>3790498
That's not how the marketplace works

>>3791015
Now replace this with all with Capitalism and realize the futility of the complaints in this thread.

Download the Roms for free, make some money, or continue wasting your time and energy complaining about the same economic system that brought you the games in the first place.

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>>3791015
How do you make this shit up?

>>3785217
Psx with modchip installed is 60 burgers on ebay

>>3789338
That's an added extra though. You can still play the games for basically nothing.

>>3789367
There are more emulators available now than ever before and consoles are even more expensive than ever so emulating is cheaper than ever comparatively.

>>3790498
Yeah cause I'm sure hipsters are the ones paying top fucking dollar for shitty games and not some autist basement dweller who has to complete a collection. Hipsters want a NES watch and phone cover not a fucking $130 game.

Copies of shit loads of retro games are still cheaper than new releases so it's not like retro gaming is suddenly more expensive than owning a PS4. It's just not as cheap as it was when nobody gave a shit. For some reason /vr/ thinks the collectors on here have had minimal effect on that and it's all "coz hipsters"

>>3788023
My local Cash Generator charges 50p a game.

>>3789338
Then buy a chink flashcart. Or stop pretending you just want to play the games and don't care about collecting.

>>3784428
I thought it was silly they called it a reboot, when it's pretty obvious it's either a sequel or at least a spiritual sequel to Doom 64.

>>3791075
I recently bought a few PlayStation games for 20p each from Cash Converters just for the cases

It's simple supply and demand. Supply is going down since the older games are no longer in production, get trashed and people who are holding onto them.

The demand goes up thanks to this retro craze created by AVGN, Game Grumps, general YouTube LPs, etc. And millennials having disposable income to buy games from their past they deem nostalgic.

It's only going to get worse. Of course, this only affects collectors and people who have to have the authentic physical copy. Everyone else can emulate, find a port is possible or use a flashcart.

>>3784231
I thank god that I grew up in the disc era where I would get 4-6 games at Christmas and then occasionally during the year. Usually older used games or games on Player's Choice/Greatest Hits releases besides Christmas but it meant I could actually always find something to play.
Plus GBC/GBA cartridges only retailed for $29.99 opposed to the $39.99 of 3DS games so I got those often enough as well.

>>3784880
Yeah I agree with you, even /v/ back in like 2011 was saying how 6th gen was the last one that actually was about the games and gameplay opposed to all the cinematic gimmicky shit and graphics.

>>3784313
Well, after not playing anything released past 2010 for 6 years because too poor to afford a good PC or a console, I finally bought a PS4 a month ago and I think MGS V is really fucking fun. Also, DOOM.

>>3789375
>Retro gaming literally costs you nothing if you play on original hardware, assuming you have the consoles/carts/discs/etc

>>3791017
The market place doesn't work by prices adjusting to supply and demand