>be a physical copy faggot for years
>muh collection, muh display
>finally get around to modding my Wii and try some games
>wow this feels completely the same and I don't care
When did you convert?
>>3782870
>using a wii
>>3782872
>not using a Wii
shiggy diggy doo, how dumb are you?
I've both collected and emulated since the beginning. I've never paid more for an old game than I was absolutely positive that it was worth to me, usually much much less. A big part of the joy of collecting is the hunt and the social element of trading but retro gaming has progressed past that being fun, sadly. When I make finds it's always either relatively common or very obscure stuff neither of which really come with any immediate "retro cred" and when I make trades I'm always more focused on finding something something they want in my collections I expect will diminish in value and getting something off of them I expect will hold value or appreciate and look better displayed. It's definitely not the same as it was and that results in me playing on Wii a lot. Currently into emulating retro computers with my vintage mechanical keyboard on my PVM-14 (my 20 is sitting unused down in my mancave)
>>3782881
smarter than someone who can't even recognize copious amounts of input lag
>>3782909
It's only real bad through the wiimote
>>3782914
this
Retard doesn't realize you can play with a GCN or Hori GCN controller.
Gamecube looks way more aesthetic
>>3782930
You take that back
>>3782870
Probably since the beginning if you grew up in third world countries during the late 80's/mid 90's.
Original games were terribly hard to find and those NES pirate multicarts were ubiquitous -some of them even had great selections. There was something convenient having 40-something small games in one cartridge or Super C, Double Dragon 2 and Super Mario Bros. 3 in another. I didn't mind buying them on VC over the old carts for the same reason.
>>3782914
I've been playing with a wiimote and classic controller on the latest versions of the emulators listed on wiibrew and I've noticed no lag at all
I picked up a cheap $15 converter and a SFC controller for $10. It's really nice.
>>3782930
My gaming PC is also the family MCPC on the big plasma. My unfinished MAME cab is on the front porch where it's cold. I'll tolerate just ~99% accuracy To comfortably play in the company of my wife and son without antagonizing them. It's okay to make minuscule compromises, Anon.
>>3782960
It's there I promise you but if it's something that you don't even notice then you're good. I don't even mind it on most of the games I play I just personally use SMB to "feel" it out since I'm so familiar with it and the jump sound is so distinct and synced. The game I always suggest people use to learn to feel it is Punch-Out since it has a nice gradual curve but becomes very twitchy. You might be wisest to just ignore the meme though since once you know it you can feel it in lots of things - like nearly all modern games for example.
>>3782870
You had no interest in the hobby to begin with if inaccurate emulation could persuade you. Shame on you, you faker.
>>3782916
You are incorrect the input lag is still terrible however you control it.
>>3782960
It's something someone who games on original hardware would instantly notice. I would notice it 10 secs into a ninja Gaiden run
>>3782975
Nigga you should have got the SNES to GC converter then you could have plugged directly into the console.
>>3782992
I know. I've been looking at the raphnet converters, but they're pricier and ship from Canada. No Prime shipping! I had that Mayflash thing in 2 days. I'm very much interested in SNES and Genesis to GC converters, but that's a much bigger purchase, so I'm holding out for my bday so I can ask other people to buy them for me. I did manage to beat Kraid the other day, lag and all. Pew pew.
>>3782978
>>3782990
I actually do have original hardware that I still need to compare to. I've only had my Wii all decked out for a couple days now. I did sit down and actually look for input lag last night and whatever's there isn't enough for me to notice. I'll get more in depth with it tonight and see what I can ruin for myself.
>>3783047
>>3783051
Alright, I do see that, but it's also not severe enough to bug me.
Is the problem still present with something that plugs directly into the Wii? I see another anon said it doesn't matter, but I saw another Wii thread where someone said that resolves the issue.
>>3782870
I got a new monitor with SCART and RF input because "hey I can play my consoles on this too".
A side by side comparison quickly showed emulated N64 games look 10x better than the real thing. I know blah blah blah CRT who wants a piece of trash littering up their spare room. Even Wii games look way better emulated.
Sure emulation isn't perfect but I had £3000+ of consoles and carts sitting around. I sold them and went to Australia for a month on that money. No regrets except Adelaide.
>>3782930
All emulators are inaccurate. One of the many perks for using the Wii is native 240p with tons of different official and easily hackable homebrew emulation with a wide range of controller options.
>>3782909
So smarter than no one? Got it. None of the Wii's emulators are exactly the same -- official or unofficial. You'll get mixed results but they range from bad to tolerable to extremely good.
>>3782989
>You are incorrect the input lag is still terrible
No, YOU are incorrect. There is minimal input lag on most official Virtual Console emulators.
>>3783051
Now do one with a GameCube controller hooked directly into the Wii.
I still buy Wii games sometimes if it's something I like and want on my shelf, but I still use backup loaders because good lord it's so much easier and convenient.
Not to mention, disc drives wear out. Backup loaders allow your hardware to keep working for a long ass time.
>>3783060
I suspect that webm is not only a wireless classic type controller but also a progressive scan display upscaling a composite signal for a double delay whammy.
>>3783136
So the webm is making it look slightly more pronounced than it actually is?
>>3783072
N64 VC on the Wii is much sharper and clearer thanks to being rendered in native 480p instead of 240p and not having the blur and anti-aliasing filters.
Although the image is less colorful, and there are a few minor visual glitches.
>>3782870
I'm the opposite, just modded my Wii and been playing Majora's mask for the first time. Around two hours in and all I really want to do is play on the actual cart with its intended controller. Don't really know why, seems more authentic I suppose
>>3783167
No if you have yours hooked up that way you'll experience identical delay+lag
>>3783047
I would like to here what you find. I am someone who shit post emulation but I have never really dove into it.
>>3783221
But we don't know all the variables. All we see is the standard Wii Classic Controller playing Earthworm Jim and Super Mario World. No way to tell if those are VC releases or even played on the Wii (you can use Wiimotes on PC due to bluetooth) We don't know what type of screen and signal is being fed. For all we know, it could be a 1080p HD TV upscaling, de-interlacing and converting analog-to-digital with a 480i Composite signal. We don't know if there's any digital processing occuring.
It's sensationalism at best.
My parents and siblings made many shit decisions that forced me to leave behind so much retro vidya on short notice, so I don't have a collection before 6th gen, I converted whatever year New Super Mario Bros. Wii came out, that's the year I had my Wii modded.
>>3783176
Your crazy man, I get wanting to play the cart, but I could never hold an N64 controller again and the Gamecube is one of the most comfortable controllers I've ever had. It just sucks for SNES games is all.
>>3783557
The GameCube controller is far better than the N64 controller. No one is debating that. But Majora's Mask (and OoT) emulation have issues with deadzone on the analog stick. The controls were made for the N64 controller, and you can feel it when emulating N64 games.
The are pros and cons to emulating the game on Wii/Dolphin versus playing it on real N64 hardware.
>>3783546
Yes, I agree there's no way to know for sure from the webm.
>>3783256
I did some brief testing. Didn't record it and nor do I have empirical data to back up what I found, but I used a modded Wii with the latest emulators from wiibrew, classic controler + wiimote, a gamecube controller, and the original hardware of a Genesis model 1 and a SNES
I started off testing Shinobi 3 because it's one of my favorites. It seemed like the Genesis was MAYBE moving a little bit faster when I would run, but I couldn't say for sure. I say that because the animations and inputs seemed to be close to identical. To the naked eye, anyway. I had these running side by side and was pressing buttons as simultaneously as possible. Couldn't notice anything major, if anything. Used the wiimote+classic controller.
Next I tested Ristar and noticed no running speed different nor input difference. They were literally exactly the same. Classic controller.
Next I jumped to the SNES and tested Super Mario World. This is where it got kind of shoddy. There did appear to be some input lag on the emulated version, BUT I was using the classic controller. I then tried the Gamecube controller out curiosity, and didn't notice any input lag. If it was there, it was very, very slight. It doesn't help that my classic controller is a knock off so the buttons were kind of chunky and didn't feel good with SMW anyway.
I then messed with Super Metroid, Turtles in Time, Sparkster, and Final Fight 2 I think? I didn't have original hardware to compare those to, but I didn't notice anything major either. Didn't notice anything at all with the GC controller.
I didn't have time to do much, but that's what I found with what little I did. Use a GC controller for Super Mario World. The rest I can't even really notice if it's there with a classic controller, and I'm willing to bet there's no lag at all with a GC controller.
>>3783861
Also, I tested Earthworm Jim just like the webm did. Maybe a sliiiiight touch of lag with the classic controller. No issues with GameCube. Maybe I'm falling for a meme, but I seriously just think everything feels much better with a GC controller.
tl;dr to all this is wii emulation seems like it's absolutely fine
>>3782870
>be a Christian faggot for years
>muh trinity, muh salvation through faith
>finally get around to reading the Quran and try some salats
>wow this feels completely halal and alhamdulillah
When did you revert?
>>3783919
I didn't think so. SMW in particular felt MUCH better, and I'm in the same boat with ownership.
What about classic controllers+wiimotes for you? Other than SMW I didn't notice anything really major. Some of the sluggishness was probably due to my chunky buttoned controller.
>>3782870
>When did you convert?
Moving house a few times and either not being bothered or not having the room to set up my old consoles.
I literally can't believe this Earthworm Jim faggot is still coming in to every Wii thread posting his stupid classic controller .webm spouting the same tired shit that's been proven wrong time after time. I just don't get it, to what fucking end is this all towards? If we tell him there's input lag on wireless controllers another 60 times will he go away? Is he some kind of anti-emulation crusader that's looking to deter people that can't do five minutes of research themselves? I feel like I'm stuck in fucking Groundhog Day every time I see a Wii thread.
>>3783135
I saw mario kart wii at gamestop for $50. I snickered.
>>3783861
I did a lot of comparisons with coin ops 6 on xbox and real systems. switching back and forth. The big different (stand out like a sore thumb) is the sound. To a noob you don't notice, but stuff like MMX on snes really is different when emulated. I've even tried genesis retro arch on a pc vs the original. Music was sped up and thin on the PC. Graphically, I didn't really notice a whole lot. Some gamma/contrast issues but nothing that couldn't be tweaked. Aspect ratio, overscan and stuff like that. I'd say they do 75% of the job and are good enough. I prefer the real thing but any port in a storm.
>>3783256
Why do shit post about something you don't know much about?
>>3783861
Idk what it is about smw but input lag is really noticeable with it.
>>3783884
>be a literal faggot for years
>muh condoms, muh dick through the ass
>finally get around to get out of San Francisco and try some $10 crack whore in a trailer park
>wow this feels completely halal and alhamdulillah
When did you pervert?
>>3783919
I'm using mGBA and I'm not feeling much lag if any
>>3784890
Same here, but if he's using VBA GX/Next it's no surprise there's lag as it's old and unoptimized. It's a night and day difference between the two.
>>3783167
It can be bad with a Wiimote and Classic Controller, but that video is basically a meme at this point. I get about 1-2 frames with wireless controllers and a CRT with my Wii.
On the topic of controllers, are these trustworthy? Would love to have something wired that doesn't need remapped with every new game (GC controller struggles)
>>3782870
I prefer buying if I can, because I like cases.
However, I said fuck it with my PS2 because I desparately wanted to play The international edition of FFXII and my laptop was seriously too much of a toaster to actually handle it, so I managed to find my brother's old copy of 007:AUF and actually went the whole way.
Now I play burned games on my pS2 and TV. After that I got an R4 card for my 3ds and I can play DS games on my handheld too.
I don't care if I'm playing it on the display/controller setup that was intended when the game was made. That's it.
>>3782930
"inaccurate" emulators
kek. another faggot who prob has a low end pc from 2004 who can't run dolphin.
>>3784950
I'm curious about these as well. Would be cheaper and more convenient than a PS2 to GCN adapter and a PS2 controller.
modding is immoral
>>3784981
you're immoral
>>3784981
>Not at the VERY LEAST having every one of your discontinued consoles modded for ultimate convenience
I'm with Satan on this one, lads.
>>3785074
>Him and a blue meanie
You gotta be a special kind of nerd to post something like that
Should also mention that modding also dramatically reduces physical wear, preserving consoles.
>>3782870
To emulation, 1997. Basically as soon as I had my very first pc in my room. Also when I started watching lots and lots of porn, lol.
To emulating wih a wii, haven't done it yet, but it's happening in a few weeks (hopefully) when I get my tax refund.
I get the whole collection thing, but it's expensive. For the same money, I could get new games, and just get all my old shit for free like a reasonable and intelligent person should.
>>3785121
The other week I booted up DOSbox and played a few roms a 1997 release of KGen. Even the terrible sound emulation was super nostalgic, first discovering emulators was a pretty magical time. Plus roms were so small you could download like a dozen in a day even on 56k.
>>3783051
>bluetooth controller
Why are you niggers so fucking stupid
Why don't you use the gamecube controller, why do stupid faggots keep btiching about input delay while using a wireless controller when you have the choice to use a wired controller
why why why why why
>>3785667
>tfw remapped SNES games on a GC controller are absurdly comfortable
It especially works with games where all you're really gonna need to use in quick repetition is A and B. Super Metroid feels really good making the B button shoot and A button jump. X for sprint is fine and I forgot what I mapped the Y button for.
tl;dr GC controllers are comfier than you'd think
>>3784950
Can you provide a link for that? I don't want to spend $15 on Amazon and I can only find listings to buy 10+ at a time on AliExpress.
>>3785667
>Bitching about a few ms input delay in the fucking first place
How autistic do you have to be to complain about a few ms delay.
>>3785874
16ms is a full frame, any more than that can actually cause issues. Less than a frame isn't worth complaining about, but that's pretty unlikely to be the case if you have input lag in the first place.
>>3785885
Exactly. And if you actually end up having that much lag, then there is something wrong with your system or controller.
If you think megadrive emulators sound the same as a model 1 then your ears are fucked.
>>3785938
It's a real-time analog synth, they literally never can be. Emulators sound better then they did ten years ago but the quest for perfect sound will probably continue forever.
>>3784950
I heard these don't work with the Wii Homebrew but I've never tried a knockoff.
Is that true?
>>3786694
It's absolutely not true.
>>3784950
Other than the obvious fact that there's more buttons on the Classic Controller than on the GameCube controller, I don't see a reason this wouldn't work.
>hate input latency
>love original classic controller
>know that gamecube inputs avoid wireless latency
>no classic controller to gamecube adapters
>the opposite is disgustingly abundant
Absolutely terrible.
>>3784950
This would be great, assuming it actually works.
>>3782870
HOw's teh Saturn emulation on the Wii. I just want to play Policenaughts
>>3786890
>>no classic controller to gamecube adapters
there actually are
>>3786942
>HOw's teh Saturn emulation on the Wii. I just want to play Policenaughts
The playstation one is playable on WiiSX aside from a huge graphical bug on the opening sequence
>>3786942
Non-existant, play the PSX version instead.
>>3785995
>FM
>"analog synth"
Wat
FM sound is 100% digital and can be emulated perfectly.
>>3787362
Look up "DX7 vs FM8" on YouTube if you want to hear the difference between Yamaha's iconic FM synth from 1983 (DX7) and its standard plugin "emulation" from 2006 (FM8).
It sounds the same, and that FM is way more complex and demanding than the Mega Drive FM.
>>3786767
Thank you, hard to get any Real info
I have an official one but I wanted to get another but not pay the high price nowadays.
Any suggestions which is the best knockoff wii classic controller is?
>>3787446
Can confirm that the homebrew channel works with a knockoff. I have two that work fine.
And while I don't have a link, I bought some that have handles like a PS2 controller. They work and feel pretty good. Buttons are kind chunky though. Like the buttons aren't very smooth to press. But they do in fact work and get the job done.
>>3787468
thanks man, I have the Wii classic pro but I think I'm gonna order a few of the knockoff regular classic ones for multiplayer.
I use the raphnet SNES to GC adapter, it's great for the 8bit/16bit stuff, and the input lag is like original hardware if you're playing through CRT.
>>3787481
No problem dude. And I completely did not realize what I was referring to in my post WAS a classic controller pro. I thought it was some knock off that just added hand grips. I never kept up with Wii stuff like I should've
>>3787594
They actually discontinued the original CC and replaced it with the CC Pro. The versions without the handles actually have analog triggers for some reason, the CC Pro does not. Could make a difference for Nintendont if you're taking advantage of that.
Once I stopped fetishizing the limitations of CRT screens and scanlines. And even then if I really wanted to I could just buy a CRT monitor. Since you can use any 1st party controller you want on PC and emulation of 90% of retro systems is completely accurate, there's no reason at all to play on the real hardware anymore. Hell, Mednafen PSX with PGXP is arguably MORE accurate than the real hardware since it has perspective-correct rendering, while supporting more titles than some models of the PS2 and PS3.
>>3787903
>MORE accurate than the real hardware
>>3787912
It renders geometry more accuratle than the PlayStation could. You can also turn that option off and render it completely accurately to the PlayStation's limtations.
>>3787915
one option isn't accurate, the other option is terrible. damned if you do, damned it you don't
>>3787903
That's not 'more accurate' than hardware, that's a neat trick. Playstation games were designed from the ground up with that 'flaw' in mind, it's like putting an 8-bit game through a crayon filter but worse.
>>3787923
Having geometry that constantly warps and distorts itself during gameplay is objectively worse than having it render correctly. It fixes the biggest problem with the PlayStation.
>>3782870
Well I fucked around with emulation on the Wii years ago, probably before you were born, but rarely use it.
>>3782926
Meh. My Q looks way better.
>>3782990
Wiifags don't game on original hardware. They're too poor to even get a decent PC setup to run emulators that aren't shit and years out of date.
can someone tell me why I get shimmering graphics (even on a CRT) with Retroarch Wii on sidescrollers? I assume it's a resolution issue, but I have no idea what to configure it at. The shittier emulators on the Wii don't do it.
>>3782870
yeah it doesn't matter at all unless you want to play competitively
>>3788310
Even though the World Record for OoT and MM is held on the Wii VC.
>>3788293
retroarch wii sucks, you have to set the resolution to the right one for the system you are emulating every time. If someone could make a version that does it automatically I would be very happy.
>>3788318
sigh.... you fucking idiot.
go get some tendies from mommy mr.neatbux
>>3783051
That game is just shitty and laggy to begin with
Wii bluetooth has under a frame of lag
>>3788256
>getting high and mighty over age
>baselessly calling others poor
>dumb generalizations that don't even make sense
someone has a small something and it's not a CRT
>>3788326
>no argument
Fuck off retard :)
>>3788320
I had a feeling that was the situation. Whatever, the recently updated versions of the FCEUX and SNES9XGX or whatever added some nice features and do the job for the most part. I can use the standalone Mednafen for PC Engine and Game Boy etc
>>3782926
anyone modded a gamecube to play retro shit?
>>3788383
I was thinking about it, but then I remembered that I have a Wii. The emulators are the same, but you have fewer controller options and it's way more expensive to get component video.
>>3788383
Would've liked to because I prefer the GC's aesthetics, but the Wii is very easy to mod.
>>3786890
I've had issues playing N64 games with the Classic Controller. Specifically F-Zero X. Seems like I can't steer well at all with it.
>>3787923
That's fucking bullshit that the weird geometry of the PS1 is a foundational aspect of PlayStation game design. Have you ever studied game design? I guarantee there are zero devs who would prefer their PlayStation games played with all the wobbly bullshit going on.
I would love to see an example of a dev saying they wobbly geometry is something they want to keep in their game.
No one actually likes that shit.
>That's how it was therefore it's the best way
>>3788356
You sound angry. Did those statements hit too close to home with you? Maybe redit is more your place.
>>3788686
I'm a-ok brother. You and your edge however need to go back to /v/
>>3784950
If you use nintendont, then knockoff controllers could give you issues
>>3784950
>does not have wii silkscreened on it
cheap chinese counterfeit piece of shit
>>3789191
You and your age however need to go back to /v/
>>3785870
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wired-Classic-Controller-for-NGC-Gamepad-for-Wii-White/1940263394.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.wpCYHJ
I just bought one. I'll let you guys know how it is whenever it comes in
>>3791381
Nice find man, I couldn't nail the search terms to find it on Ali.
>>3791534
"classic gamecube controller" and some scrolling brought it up. It's definitely a tricky thing to search (is it a wii classic? is it a gamecube? is it an adapter?)
Yeah man, fuck those collector faggots. How dare they have money.
Now if you excuse me, I'm going to go emulate N64 games at 10fps, the way it was meant to be played
>>3791560
Haha exactly, I tried a million things but I guess I didn't get simple enough. I'm on the fence whether I should get one of these or a PS2 to GCN adapter instead...
>>3791574
>I'm going to go emulate N64 games at 10fps, the way it was meant to be played
Sounds authentic to me.
>>3791575
lol yeah I fumbled around on eBay with similar luck. Went with Ali though since I was already ordering something else. I'll definitely let you know who they are. Seems to have positive reviews.
>>3791598
Rad, I love my official Classic Controllers, but I've never used a 'fake' one. They look like they literally used the same molds so I'm curious to hear.
>>3787132
I hadn't considered getting a sega cd emu for snatcher to play on my wii. Thank you.
>>3782870
I might have to go physical for the Switch. I've been a digital man all my life, but there aren't many cheap enough microSD's that could fulfill a library.
And having more than one SD card totally defeats the purpose of going digital.
>>3791982
You only need the programs on SD, media can be on HDD
>>3785667
You're autism is showing.
>>3791982
Dude a 128GB Micro SD is $40, and BotW is only ~15GB. Also not retro.
How does input lag work? Do modern games make up for it somehow? Since they're all meant to be played with wireless controller, I mean.
I have to admit I experienced real input lag when playing some games in retroarch Wii. The difference was noticeable when comparing a wired gamecube controller to the wireless classic controller. Those minigames in Kirby Superstar where you need fast reactions, they were impossible over wireless unless you were planning for the lag.
The thing is that I've been playing the Taiko games (that's a rhythm game) for Wii using the wireless controller and there's no way I'm getting lag there.
>>3788383
you can use an SD card or just burn a disc. wii is better as you have more controller options and also usb hard drives.
>>3788383
Yes
>>3782870
Around the time the Bannerbomb or the Smash Level editor exploit was released.
Wished it was able to read more than 32GB from the SD card.
>>3792629
The main difference is that emulated games were built with wired, instantaneous control in mind (plus CRTs) and Wii games like Taiko and Rhythm Heaven were built from the ground up for the Wii, its controller and modern TVs. With enough testing you can program around the lag, many have latency sliders as well.
>>3792916
Did anything good ever come of modding Smash Bros? Can/t believe after all these years they never bypassed the SD card limit.
>>3793738
What are you even talking about? Yes, good came of modding smash but it's not even related to this board. What SD card limit do you think was never bypassed?
how would you guys indicate emulated games on this thing if you're using backloggery? Call it a Wii game but specify its original system? Or just list the game as if you're playing it on the original system?
>>3796141
I don't put emulated games in my backloggery. I only list games that I've paid for and have an "obligation" to finish.
But to answer your question, the latter.
>>3782909
just get better at games then bro
>>3792916
As long as you format the SD card to FAT32, you can use over 32GBs.
>>3782992
Link for gc to snes converter?
>>3782870
Been modded ever since the BannerBomb exploit came. Homebrew channel, homebrew browswer, copied disc loader, emulator channels, etc etc.
I've since lost my SD card with all the files on and I'm worried if I try and start the console without them it will shit itself
>>3782930
>gamecube
>hideous
Pick one you stupid fucking faggot.
>>3782930
>implying dolphin is an inaccurate emulator
Get a load of this dipshit
>>3796141
The latter. Same thing. Purists are retarded
>>3797845
It's fine to boot up without the card
>>3797917
It doesn't emulate what the developers intended; slowdown and lag
Modded Wiis have no value. Its like they've been raped and don't come with any physical games.
>>3797950
Really modding it is the only option, free retro games, free gamecube and Wii games and the Wii with all connections and controller was only 16 bucks at the thrift store. Shit that's worth more than a unmodded Wii and 30 dollars games that are free anyway.
>>3797950
So they're worth slightly more than unmodded Wiis that you have to pay people to haul away?
>>3798215
Can buy a Wii for 20 bucks, take alittle time and mod it with a 5 dollar memory card and resell it at the flea market after demonstrating that it plays every singe NES game for 75 bucks.
>>3782870
>when did you convert do digital
I haven't yet. When digital distribution was first coming into vogue I was looking forward to diving straight in the deep end as it would mean lower costs for publishers and therefore a lower price to consumers while maintaining or even increasing profit for the industry.... but instead prices remained the same (or became HIGHER in contrast to all logic) for digital content and with the exception of Steam most digital storefronts basically never drop the prices even while the physical versions (brand new, sealed copies mind you) naturally depreciate over time, leading to scenarios where, say, a PS4 game that's years old goes for less than $20 brand new is still sitting perpetually at 60 shit-gargling dollarydoos on the digital store.
I have a few games that use Steam as their DRM but came on physical discs and this provides the best of both worlds in my opinion; if my internet shits itself or the servers are down or sluggish I can install from the disc, and if the disc gets fucked up/lost/broken I won't "lose" the game since I can download and install it at any time any number of times as long as I have internet.
I do buy digital when the price reflects the lower real cost and "value" of the product (not saying an IP is worth less because it's digital, I'm saying that an IP sold as digital is just the IP while the IP sold physically is the IP and the disc/card and case etc; there's literally more product being sold than the digital version) and incentivizes me to do so, it's just that this happens infrequently and I don't buy (or otherwise acquire) a hell of a lot of games as it is.
>>3783167
no he's saying wiimote dongle method has lag. having tested it myself it does compared to gc controller. I think it is software related. feels fine with wii games
wii does 480p max so the hdtv has to scale the image to its native res. usually 1920x1080.
wireless remote lag + tv scaler lag = double whammy lag
>>3798224
The only part I believe is where you're retarded enough to pay $20 for a second hand Wii.
>>3798314
sold 3 of them already last year all for 75 bucks so whatever
Those GameCube to PS2 adapters for sure work with emulators, right? Was gonna try one out
>>3799040
I can let you know to-nite or to-morrow, should mine arrive on time. I also got a non-analog original Playstation controller to use with it, so I'm hoping that works too, I'm not sure if the adapter is going to be expecting a Dual Shock.
>>3799079
I have one watched on eBay that claims to be able to do both PS and PS2. Let me know though and I may join you. My only two bootleg classic controllers broke last night within a few minutes of each other. Great luck, I know.
>>3799102
Yeah this one is supposed to do both, but none of the people who've reviewed it on Amazon seem to have tried it with an original Playstation controller. I guess the issue with the PS2 controllers is due to every single button being analog, you have to hit everything really hard for things to register. At any rate I'm fully expecting it to work, I can map GCN controllers to every emulator I use on my Wii, but who wants to play retro with a GCN controller.
>>3799110
Ouch, I hadn't thought of the analog thing. I'll have to order a PS1 controller eventually. Good to know though.
I got a UMSA from my PC to my CRT, no filters or anything letting the CRT do it's thing. It's lovely.
>>3799367
If the original PS controller ends up working I'll be psyched. It's honestly one of my favorite controllers for retro, and I'm not even really a Playstation guy. Not to mention they are super cheap and abundant, and no one wants the non-dual shock ones.
>>3799392
>and no one wants the non-dual shock ones.
No one even wants those. They're loose as fuck compared to a PS2 controller.
>>3799110
So ONLY the analog sticks are in fact analog with an original ps controller?
>>3800902
Yeah, none of the face or shoulder buttons are analog on the PS1 controller, but literally every button except start and select are analog on a PS2 controller. I'm basing this 'have to press hard' info on Amazon reviews, and some reddit posts from Melee kids, so take it with a grain of salt. Regardless, thePS1 controller is still probably the safer bet. My delivery got delayed last nite, so hoping for to-day, I'll keep you all posted.
People who say there's no lag on emulators are delusional.
>>3800943
We're not talking about USB polling issues or anything, the Wii was built for gaming, so on a CRT with a hardwired controller in the GCN ports, the input lag is actually negligible. And I'm typically one that gets autistic about emulators and input lag.
>>3800937
Back in the day my PS2 came with ATV Off Road Fury 2 and the throttle was controlled by the analog X button. When racing you had to mash it all the way down for full throttle. Thumb would go numb after a while.
Since this thread is still here, does anyone know I way I can get 240p from the Atari 2600 and/or 7800 emulators on the Wii? It totally blows that both of them are in 480i by default and I can't find a way to change them. Even other emulator suggestions would be fine, I'm using the 'popular' Stella Wii port, and Wii7800. Both are solid emulators, but you know, 480i.
>>3782870
Can someone test if there's any input lag in Retroarch when using and USB HID controller? You know, like SIXAXIS and such
I would try it myself but I don't have a 60fps camera
>>3801113
I was using a Classic pro controller plugged into the Wiimote and I had no problem beating Tyson on Punch-out. I don't know what the fuck everybody is crying about because the lag is so little if any that they must just really suck and blame the hardware.
>>3801096
>i literally don't know what im talking about
>>3801939
You sure don't, kiddo.
>>3801096
Works like a champ with a non dual shock original PSX controller. The default button mapping is weird, X = A, but all the emulators let you remap without issue.
>>3801882
It's really solid for a wireless solution, I do not disagree. Are you playing on a CRT? I still go wireless for most stuff out of convenience, I just wanted to try the PSX to GCN adapter since PS1 controllers are cheap and there's billions of them.
>>3802228
Njce! Any chance of trying it out with a PS2 controller just to confirm the hard button press claim?
>>3784950
I wouldn't if I were you. I accidentally bought one of these a couple of years ago thinking I'd scored a good deal (didn't notice lack of Wii logo). The buttons feel way too "clicky" and it somehow manages to feel even lighter and more cheaply made than the feather - light official controller. Maybe some of you guys won't notice or mind, but I found the difference to be maddening.
I chose the modded Wii because I already spend a lot of money on SEGA Saturn games.
>>3802232
Unfortunately I only purchased a single original PSX controller since I wasn't sure if would even work, and I don't have any PS2 controllers on hand. Would be happy to assist if I did. I did take some shitty videos to try and demonstrate the lag or lack thereof on my CRT, I'll try and WEBM them to-morrow or something.
>>3802246
eh well, I have one on the way already. I'm gonna try it out. I have two shitty knockoff classic pros that have both went bad so I need something other than a GC controller. I'll snag a PSX/2 adapter eventually.
>>3801325
Try using the Retroarch cores from this post https://gbatemp.net/threads/retroarch-unofficial-extra-cores.405410/page-3#post-5874339. I know for a fact 240p works on the Stella core, you just change the resolution in settings, I'm not 100% sure about the 7800 but give it a go.
>>3802351
Thanks! I'll give it a shot. Hopefully I can figure out what resolution to pick, I've had good luck with 640x240 with NES/FC stuff.
>>3802351
Also, sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm very new to Retroarch; what makes these cores different from the most recent builds in the Wii version?
>>3801954
Top kek kid. It's not like you could beat a game that requires quick reflexes even if you didn't have lag.
I seriously, SERIOUSLY fucking DESPISE people who mod their Nintendo consoles to illegally pirate games and illegally emulate from other consoles.
Seriously, I hope you all fucking die a horrible, slow, painful death.
>>3804317
you ok bro
>>3804317
Don't worry. Every time I feel guilty I send the widow Iwata a nice fruit basket.
>>3804337
rad, thanks anon, definitely going to give those a shot. I have an 'untested' but great condition 2600 Jr. in the mail right now, so I may not even need to emulate the 2600. Though emulated on the Wii via s-video is bound to look nicer than RF through a VCR converted to composite.
>>3804317
Good thing I only mod Sega :3
>>3804386
>>3804392
>tfw you're three years in the hole because the cops walked in on you playing Star Fox on Wii
>>3804392
>using Nintendo consoles in a way Nintendo doesn't endorse or allow
>>3804392
>>3804414
Had to mod it because games were VERY EXPENSIVE.
>>3804317
>I seriously, SERIOUSLY fucking DESPISE people who mod their Nintendo consoles to illegally pirate games and illegally emulate from other consoles.
Phew! Good thing I've only modded Microsoft, Sega & Sony consoles to do that! Dodged a bullet there; who knows what would have happened if some autist on a retro video games board found out I did that to a Nintendo console!
>>3802673
You're the one projecting your flaws, not me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>3805005
>no u
Slick burn sport
>>3805067
End this charade and prove (going against every bit of reasonable logic in the world) controllers wired to the console have input lag or just shut the fuck up already. Your contributions thus far in this thread have been 'no u' at best.
>>3804961
not him, but the difference is that nintendo actually deserves your money
>>3805076
>pretending anyone claimed it's the controllers that cause emulator lag
Nice straw man sport. If you only had a brain.
>>3805067
I know, right?
>>3805121
>pretending anyone claimed it's the controllers that cause emulator lag
>input lag = emulator lag
>not reading this thread owith multiple people claiming wireless controllers lag
Man you're really fucking retarded.
Why should I bother with a Wii when my PC is already connected to my TV?
>>3805147
For CRT multitasking
>>3782870
I've never "converted" per se.
I actually hate relying solely on digital, but I like the idea of being able to emulate or use a flash cart on the original hardware but also collect.
I'm also and advocate of archival and library style collecting though so that's just my preference
>>3805139
>wireless controllers cause lag
>ergo wired controllers eliminate emulator lag
>kidlogic
18+ sport
>>3805484
I never said wired controllers eliminate emulator lag you fucking retard.
Learn some reading comprehension and take up debate while you're at it, sport.
>>3802228
Yeah I have a huge Toshiba CRT
>>3805594
Rad; yeah on my LCD the input lag with the Wiimote/Classic Controller combo is pretty lame, but it's much better on the CRT. That said, it's even better with my PSX/GCN adapter. Considering I mostly play RPGs it's whatever though, I had some Amazon credit from a refunded item so I thought I'd take the $11 chance and see what was up.
>>3805606
Shit I got too many old TVs if you need one, the Toshiba weighs 177 pounds so I'm gonna use it til it breaks but I have a Sony and Magnavox with S-video waiting in case
I have a Classic Controller Pro and SNES Classic Controller. I want to use them, but not wirelessly.
What are the best Classic Controller-to-GCN port adapters out there?
>>3805610
Thanks anon, I have a14" PVM and a 5" as well so I'm doing alright, thought my 14" seems like it might die sooner than later. My girlfriend has sensitive ears and the 15Khz whine is like a dog-whistle, so I don't get to use them when she's working in the same room, hence the LCD usage.
>>3805679
http://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/snes_to_wii/index.php
Here's a GC to SNES adapter that looks nifty. I've not used it, but I've heard good things. A little pricey though.
There's also some "classic gamecube controllers" on AliExpress, which are Wii classic controllers that plug straight into the GC controller port. I have one on the way. It's 10 bucks so at least it's cheap if it's not so hot.
>>3805768
Those posts weren't mine you stupid fucking nigger.
Keep shitting the thread up though.
>>3805792
Actually starting to feel bad for you now it's becoming so readily apparent you have dissociative identity disorder. Do you expect us to believe you just decided to start replying to random posts directed at other people for a laugh? Help is available, man. You're certainly not helping yourself here.
>>3805768
>>3805792
>>3801096
He's right faggot. That one post was me. And guess what? I still don't notice any lag on any game I try with a GC controller. I have a PS2 adapter in the mail and ordered a Gamecube class from AliExpress. I'm gonna be having a blast playing video games, have fun shitting up emulation threads all day
>>3806114
>this can't just mean I never owned a gamecube to need one
Aren't you and your snowball accusations to make yourself look like an e-tough guy needed back on /v/?
>>3783072
>emulated N64 games look 10x better than the real thing
imagine being this delusional
>>3807458
>>3805103
>>3805792
>Those posts weren't mine
>i replied anyway
Sounds legit
>>3782870
Done the same but with a PC. Having everything there and ready to play in one click, at any time, is glorious. I can't believe either what a faggot I was before.
>>3807458
Wow. Are the colors really this dull?
>>3809668
Not that bad, and LCD TVs vary greatly in brightness depending on user settings. A raw composite capture isn't accurate. Not to mention it's universally agreed that VC N64 games look way better because they run in 480p.
>>3809668
Yeah they are.
>>3809668
Only on Wii U. Have you never played a PC N64 emulator?
>>3809808
>Only on Wii U
That's a screenshot of the original Wii VC.