THE JOY OF MAPPING

=== NEWS ===

[Highway to Hell] Second phase of mapping has started! Ends on Feb 28th
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/3757618#p3759223

[Til 4-1] QUMP is still going!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit

[Til 3-15] Dropbox will be dropping support of public folders in mid-March

[2-5] A beta release of the Joy of Mapping 3 project is live
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=55034

[2-4] Sgt Shivers and Yholl to do some megawad-themed weapon packs; Ancient Aliens, JPCP, and BTSX
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=975429#p975429

[2-3] TNT Revilution Beta released
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1551971

[2-2] Lithium 1.2 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54904

[2-2] gdxBlood working along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbcwwIaKeV8

[1-31] RIP Jan Paul "Mr. Elusive" van Waveren, long-time Id programmer/Carmack associate
http://www.shacknews.com/article/98848/jan-paul-van-waveren-programmer-for-over-three-generations-of-id-software-tech-has-passed-away

[1-31] Noclip interviews John Romero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJqWA3UPsPg

[1-31] D4T (the diet D4D fork) has been updated to v1.0.1.1
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54750

[1-31] WIP: GZDoom to get Doom 64-style gradient sector colouring UDMF
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1711113

[1-27] New release of Custom Gun (v0.999) with fixes
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54303

[1-27] Disjunction Beta 3 released
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1NxOZlEf5aNU3NCN0tVRmk0XzQ/view?usp=sharing

[1-26] Anon release; a pack of SP Quake 2 maps
http://colonthreeenterprises.tumblr.com/post/156354414901/my-quake-2-unit-is-finally-here-3c-it-has

[1-25] Sgt Shivers has released Final Doomer
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55061

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PROTIP: If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, please reply/backlink to this post.

>>3782701
doom

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>>3782713

>>3782716
Such a beautiful cover.

I wish JohnnyDoom would get updated. : (
The gamebreaking lag bug really makes me feel torn, since its one of the best doom mods I've ever played.

What's all this talk about OOM? I was there for Uke Ukem D and Alf-Ife but why is it still a meme?

>>3782735
Cause some people think that spelling a word while not including the first letter of the word is top grade humor that's worth spreading over like five threads.

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Trying out some new skies.

>>3782742
bottom left is good when it's blue

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>>3782358

i was playing arcane dimension and now it makes me sad that ill never be able to create such a fucking fantastic map

>>3782727
Damnit. Why can't MY hawwtism be useful?

>>3782797
Those maps were years in the making, anon.

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BW Palette, Synthdoom, Russian Overkill and Ketchup = 80's Terminator Madworld Simulator

>>3782747
Yeah, probably.

I released RC2 with the new skies. Next release is probably proper.

I tried to teach a bunch of classmates in college how to make Doom maps for Peer to Peer lessons. Started out with the basic stuff, like connecting sectors, changing floor and wall textures, making doors, placing things and exiting the level.

And although the maps looked like shite, they understood how everything worked pretty quickly and loved making them. They even figured out some stuff before I thaught it to them.
One of them even accidently made a functioning moving staircase, without me even touching upon that stuff yet.

I'm thinking about teaching them how to make proper 3D floors and some of the other extra's from the UDMF format next. Won't be to much of a problem with how quicly they're learning.
Maybe teach them about Decorate or ZScript later on, but I'm focusing on mapping for now.

Eventually I'll compile all levels they made and release it here as a small "Megawad." (If they didn't delete the maps right after the lesson that is.)

Just wanted to share this, considering the thread's title.

Weird, for some reason my Quake uses Tomb Raider 1's sound files.

It's fun to hear cutscene tracks in E1M2.

>>3782876
I've heard that some teachers actually get their students to make Doom maps because of GZDoom Builder's semi-ease.
I'd like to play that "megawad." It would probably be pretty cute.

>>3782895
True. Some Game Design studies start out their 3D level design classes with Doom Builder. Sadly, the study I do doesn't do that and throws us in the deep with Unity. Which is also why I took it upon myself to ease the freshmen in with Doom.
According to CodeImp they even use it to teach Architecture to children in China.
I keep being amazed at the influence that this simple game continues to have.

I really hope they still have the levels. It would be pretty fun to compile, and see the change from the first levels to the last ones. Or to play through after a couple of years and remember that you were in charge of that mess.

>>3782892
You have a tomb raider cd in your drive (or virtual drive). Quake plays CD music

>>3782748

needs moar tesellation

>>3782748

looks like a deathmatch map, are you sure that's single player?

>>3782945

I didn't modeled the exit yet (to another dm section), I want the player to explore a little

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>>3782748

I can see an untextured face in the middle

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Damn these Bang scrollers.

>>3782701

if I do an unreal image and a goldeneye/perfect dark one, it will be posted in the op?, it triggers me that these game are not there, specially unreal

(the doom, quake and duke images doesn't load)

>>3782982

unreal has his own thread but do as you like

>>3780114

(it needs an image btw)

>>3782986

oh, that's neato, I never see it before

>>3782982
Tbqh Marathon is neglected a lot more in these threads.

>>3783001

I'll investigate, I never played it, I only know there is a trilogy that has no music

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>>3782876
Doom mapping really should be considered an art form.

〽

>>3783036
The game is freeware; you can get it at source.bungie.org. Also, the first game does have actual music.

Are there any good tutorials for ZScript out there like wildweasels gunlabs tutorials for DECORATE?

>>3783057
OWO what's this??

>>3783052
If your art is considered art it can't even be real art.

>>3783052
>Doom mapping really should be considered an art form.
uh, it quite obviously is

>>3782892
>>3782928
I remember when I learned this, I had an Opposing Forces CD in my computer, it was a happy accident. That soundtrack fits so well.

>>3782876
Just watch out for anybody that tries to map out the school.

>>3783052
It already is.

>>3783165
>>3783197
Really? I've never actually heard people specifically refer it to that before.

Keep getting errors when trying to run D4D, I tried the latest devbuild and I tried the latest stable version. Still not working anyone else have this problem?

>>3783316
I'd just get GZD 2.2.0 and the latest stable, the mod is a mess.

>>3783320
>>3783316
the dbthanatos/cooke split-up really took its toll

Hey so can you set properties through decorate, or just flags? I'm just wondering if I can dynamically change pain chance (no just +NOPAIN) or Damage factors because of reasons.
>>3783343
I still feel like there was something else going on there, I mean D4T is neat and all but there was no need for dbthanatos to end his development of D4D to make it.

>>3783246
I would.

>>3783348
>>3783343
What are you guys talking about? I'm completely new to gameplay mods and know next to nothing about d4d

>>3783352
D4D was arguably the best "Doom 4 in classic Doom" mod that you could play, developed mainly my DBThanatos and Major Cooke on ZDF. Then suddenly DBThanatos decided to leave the project and make D4T, which is basically D4D but with less features and compatible with D-Touch (android GZDoom). This really fucked the development for D4D for the last little while.

>>3783359
Oh lame, I played D4D like 2-3 months ago and loved it. By knowing nothing about D4D meant I'm not up to date on the dev status and drama

>>3783359
why does this remind me of the jenova bitch-out all of a sudden?

>>3783378
i have no clue why, considering they have nothing in common

>>3783348
I'd like to know this as well, seems like ZScript might allow it but I can't figure it out. It doesn't look like ACS can do it since it doesn't have access to specific painchances and damage types, only generic ones.

>>3782969
cute

>>3783343
it couldn't have been much of a toll since this is the first i've heard of it

>>3783447

No, it just means they were professional about splitting up and didn't have a gigantic bitchfit with lots of fallout and drama.

Still takes quite a toll on the project.

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>listening to rob zombie
>mfw I realize the strogg are robot zombies

>>3783479
>we didn't go full out Stroggified Hp. Lovecraft
why. seems like the next logical progression

>>3782701
Loving it! Thanks

>>3782701
FFS the OP pic had me dying for half an hour now

Where are all these Doom edits at

>>3783479

YYYEAH?

is there a way that I can listen to doom2's soundtrack in Ancient aliens?

>>3783537
HUUH?

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I made the monsters talk to each other, but didn't implement any decision trees based on their signalling yet. The results were... effective.

>>3783550

I thought they were actually discussing

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wow. don't think i've ever got through this one without savegames before. only map19 left

>>3783537
delete the D_* lumps out of aaliens.wad? not sure what you mean

>>3783556
>Ok, here's the guy, shoot him when I start shooting
>But what if it's the wrong guy man?
>Jim how the fuck could it be the wrong guy?
>I don't know, he does't look like the guy
>He doesn't look like a buff marine in green armor with a helmet and tons of guns?
>Bob I'm just saying that we should make sure it's not the wrong guy
>WHO CARES IF IT'S THE WRONG GUY JUST SHOOT HIM JIM
>I don't want to be responsible for shooting the wrong man Bob
>WHO'S GOING TO CARE JIM? YOUR BOSS IS A DEMON WHO BATHES IN HUMAN VISCERA TWICE A DAY! I DON'T THINK HE'LL PUNISH YOU FOR KILLING THE WRONG HUMAN
>Alright damn, calm down, but if it's the wrong guy I'm saying you forced me to do it.

*gunshots*
I'd play the shit out of that

Anyone know where I can download the Genesis/32x version soundtrack? Because I had this idea for a wad.

Basically, the idea is that Doomguy really has to take a shit, but demons are fucking everywhere and wrecking everything. He's also on the other side of town or whatever. His goal is to reach that toilet and take that shit, while avoiding shitting himself on the way (something that would happen if you take too much damage, with the damage threshhold shrinking the longer you go (i.e. with each level)).

So you can see why it would require the 32x soundtrack.

>>3783593
>viscera bathing demon then fires jim after you die

>>3783605
So basically MAP10 of UAC Ultra but with toilet humour instead of radiation suits.

>>3783610
>Human, we might be demons but you still have to follow the rules of darkness, always use your portable blood scrying pool to confirm your targets before engaging in combat

>>3783605
I could swear someone already made a map like that, I think Joel played it in his contest.

I also saw a similiar idea in Turbocharged Arcade 1

>>3783593
I thought it would be more like the demons yelling "FIRE."

Speaking of making the demons more intelligent, is there a way to give them patrol routes rather than just standing still until you show up?

>>3783614
Since when are demons lawful?

>>3783625
There are in D&D like a lot but in Doom's case, zombies are neutral evil at most.

>>3783618
Well when I said "talk" I meant more "be situationally aware of what their allies were doing". Not sure about patrols since that's more of a map thing, but stay tuned for more wacky demon communication hijinks.
>>3783625
Considering the hierarchy and organization (implicit in the literal tech demons that had to be built) I'd assume they're at least not chaotic.

>>3783625

Well, depends. Are they demons or devils?

>>3783634
I'd say zombies and its variants and Pinkies are neutral evil while Baron and Hell Knights seem to have a grade of intelligence, enough to be chaotic evil. It's not like all demons are mindless beasts.

>>3783640
Yeah, either way, time to make the demons a bit smarter. Humans will just try to synchronize their shots, but the higher classes should have more complex behaviors. And all without any ACS.

>>3783639
What the fuck is the diffrence, reaper?

>>3783649
Depends on how you see them.

According to the plot, "zombiemen" are actually humans who where lobotomized and as such, have enough inteligence.

In case you see them as actual zombies then they won't be smarter than a pinkie which is just an animal.

>>3783651
Not that anon but it's D&D.

The tl;dr of it is Demons are from the Abyss, which is basically a swirling, unknowable, chaotic evil void of infinite layers connected haphazardly. Demons are Chaotic Evil, disorganized by nature, driven by rage, bloodlust, and desire to sow destruction and chaos.

Devils are from the Nine Hells or Baator, which is basically kind of like Dante's Inferno. Devils are Lawful Evil, they're rigidly - even bureaucratically - organized, more driven by power and a sort of sadistic desire to dominate and control than by simple rage or bloodlust. They also tend to rely as much or more on seduction, promises, or threats than sheer violence.

What are some good vanilla lore megawads? As in, tech for the first bit demons invaded marines then make your way to hell.

>>3783683
i am always pleasantly surprised with the overlap between doomers and fa/tg/uys

Man blood gets a lot easier when ammunition becomes readily available. those first 2 levels are absolutely nasty.

>>3783692

I can't say I'm terribly surprised, considering the origins of DOOM's premise.

>>3783613
or worse, with a terry trap

>>3783692
The guys at old id were a bunch of fat/tg/guys so it's not surprising. They got a lot of inspiration for their games by playing D&D.

>>3783683
Doom demons seem more about straightforward choas than a hierarchy and control. But that's probably more that "attack attack attack" AI code is simple enough to run fast on a 386 than "what if you could talk to them and make alliances"

>>3783550

This is interesting. How'd you do this?

>>3783715
Originally I was going to use 0 damage explosions and custom pain states, but I ended up just using some custom inventories and a_radiusgive. It requires a LOT of alteration to the states that you want it to take effect in, but it works well enough.

>>3782812
I like what I've played so far, but please don't rush the final release. We need to discuss some fixes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owZunVizjjs

For ketchupv5, when i try to run it in both the most recent version stable and dev builds of gzdoom, i get Script error, "ketchu pv5_nogibs_sp lattersonly.p k3:decor ate.blood.txt" line 545:Expected ',', got 'l'.

I checked that file and i couldn't find any 'l' at line 545 so idk what to do now. do i just go to an earlier version of gzdoom?

http://www.mediafire.com/file/qohzmhh7b02e3tb/toilet.wad

have some crap

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Some Arcane Dimensions levels run like shit on my toaster, even with the additional parameters. Am I doomed to crappy performance as long as my comp is shit or is there some way to fix this?

>>3783818
0.l strikes again.

Go do a search for all instances of 0.l and replace it with 0.1

>>3783834

they are only two

>>3783834
oh wow, l and 1 look almost identical on notepad. i can kinda see how they made that mistake lmao

thanks anon

>>3783052
IIRC, the makers of Gothic99 used "mapping is art" as an excuse for its shitty gameplay and over the top visuals, that at the time, chugged peoples computers to a crawl.

>>3783842
okay?

>>3783845
And episode 1 of blood complete.

All the bosses in this game are fucking circle strafe bullet sponges, aren't they?

Ancient aliens was a spiritual experience, anyone got anything similar? Valiant didn't quite do it for me.

Alien vendetta is too grey and aztec-y for my taste

Going down is amazing, however the end gets too slaughtermappy

Sunlust is ugly imo

Scythe 2 is ugly imo

Scythe 1 was bretty gud

>>3783851

I-m just informing him

>>3783857
fair enough

>>3783857

this keyboard language changing alone happens to me since xp

Looks like newer GZDoom versions turn the custom crosshairs from mods like Project MSX and Doomzone into just green blocks. Any fix to this?

>>3783854
Back Saturn X?

My fav Doom map is Hollywood Holocaust.

>>3783876

BTSX has some great ideas, but dear lord the design is an absolute clusterfuck sometimes.

>>3783854
BTSX E1&E2
Lunatic
Vanguard
Violence

>Scythe 2 is ugly imo
Are you serious?

>>3783892
>but dear lord the design is an absolute clusterfuck sometimes.
How? Its detailing is within the original dos executable's limits.

>>3783897
>design
>detailing
Nigga...

>>3783901
Okay, what do you mean by design?

>>3783903
Not that guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_design
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_design

>>3783907
I'm asking his context behind why the design is bad, not an encyclopedia article on design. And does detailing not fall into graphic design?

What are some short but intsense wads? I mean stuff like Scythe or Going Down I hate large maps because I get lost easily so the gameplay flow is all fucked up for me.

>>3783913
Swift Death.

>>3783912
I don't even understand how you can miss the point any harder. Design is not the same thing is detailing. Design refers to the entire construction of the level including encounters, ammo, health, and of course visuals.

>>3783917
So you're telling me that detailing is completely irrelevent to visuals?

>>3783920
Design is not JUST visuals you cement-brained idiot.

>>3783916
SD is bullshit with it's difficulty level.

>>3783923
I never said it was?

>>3783925
You said you wanted intense, though. Sorry I misunderstood.

>>3783926
Right here:
>>3783897
>How? Its detailing is within the original dos executable's limits.
>>3783903
>Okay, what do you mean by design?
[referring to the insinuation that detailing is not the same thing as design]
>>3783912
>I'm asking his context behind why the design is bad, not an encyclopedia article on design. And does detailing not fall into graphic design?
[missing the fucking point entirely]
>>3783920
>So you're telling me that detailing is completely irrelevent to visuals?
[Once again focusing entirely on visuals]

Now quit memeing.

>>3783930
The whole reason I got confused in the first place was because you guys told me that detailing had nothing to do design, and then showed me an article on graphic design.

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>>3783937
>reading comprehension

>>3783951
You first.

>>3783892
>but dear lord the design is an absolute clusterfuck sometimes.

What made the level design an absolute clusterfuck?

>>3783960

It's way too easy to get lost in an absolute clusterfuck of a mess, too many monsters, theme was a dull mess.

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>>3783967
>too many monsters

>>3783895
nhb the color palette is very drab

I'm trying to replace some sound effects. I've got it working by loading a separate PK3 that has identically named OGGs to the sound effects I want to replace, but in-game it plays way quieter than every other sound effect, Is there something else I need to define?

I'm messing with the death sound effects for some of the Samsara classes, if that matters.

>>3783967
>too many monsters

What? BTSX is pretty standard with its monster usage. Hardly any map exceeds 500 monsters (Hell, none of the maps in E1 do), and the ones with 300+ tended to be very big maps.

>It's way too easy to get lost in an absolute clusterfuck of a mess
>theme was a dull mess.

This is too vague. It doesn't tell me anything.

>>3783981
Scythe 2 uses the default palette, I'm pretty sure.

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>>3783874
pls help

Come test Maevolent horizon

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>>3783967
I felt the flow of maps was pretty good, never really got into any "Where do I go now?" moments myself. Also the monster count seemed fine to me and never felt unfair in the enemy placemnts, and I hate anything that resembles a slaughter map.

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>>3783874
>>3783997
Both mods I believe are not maintained anymore, so your mileage with both are going to be stretched pretty thin as GZDoom gets new or changed features. Best bet is to just try and keep an older version of GZD somewhere on hand to play them.

What are some wads with story?

>>3783874
>>3783997
>>3784014
Project MSX is long dead but Doomzone is still maintained.

My advice is to check for the newest version of Doomzone (http://zorasoft.net/doom.html) or contact Zora himself.

>>3784017
Sorry i don't mean story heavy, I mean wads like going down, with text and where the level design tells the story

>>3784021
Valley of the Damn from Aluqah is cool.

In fact most of his wads are like self contained stories told through the levels themselvs.

>>3784021
>>3784017

there are a lot of different wads that piece together intermission text along with their levels, even speed of doom, a speedmap megawad
do you have something a little more specific in mind?

>>3784021
BTSX to an extent. Usually the case with the first map, the final map, and the hub maps in the episodes. Some maps in E2 have a few areas (often secret) that let you get a view of the towers that are in the final map.

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I'm beginning to think that making this whole "Monsters tell each other what they're doing" system was a bad idea. Shit's getting pretty complex.

>>3784043
Make them decide if they want to fire at once or in consequent stream of shots. Will make coordination kinda more effective.

Also you can make least healthy individual shoot constantly while telling everyone else to scramble (enemies get away from both him and player), "putting his life on the line of everyone's survival".

Also can make enemies avoid grenades thrown by other enemies.

Can't think of anything else this can do.

>>3784031
yeah I was hoping for something like doom 1 and 2, where it starts off techy seeing the aftermath of the demon invasion then making your way to hell.

or it could be silly like going down, i'd say valiant did what i'm looking for pretty well.

>>3784039
>>3784030

Thank you, i'll give these a go.

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>>3782701

>>3784067
>Make them decide if they want to fire at once or in consequent stream of shots
Anything relevant already did this before, now they just tend to group up a bit.
>Also you can make least healthy individual shoot constantly while telling everyone else to scramble
I'm doing something similar with Imps and Hell Knights/Barons/<larger demons>. Imps have a "fear meter" that builds as their allies die, and when it hits a certain level they break ranks and flee for a bit. I'm keeping the human enemies' AI simple for now, since I prefer to think of them as dumb cannon fodder.

>>3784070
Is this what people mean by "comfy"? Because I didn't know I wanted this and now I do.

>>3783994
funny

i mean the texture usage

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>feel like playing Doom 2
>Map07
>Don't go now, there's a
dimensional shambler waiting
at the dos prompt!

>>3784086
Ayo, how'd I fuck that up

Hey guys, what's the best way to get into learning DECORATE? There aren't really any good tutorials out there that I've found.

>>3784089
By taking an old and simple mod and tweaking with everything.

>>3784091
Also, looking at the ZDoom Wiki.

>>3784089
There's a few tutorials listed here:
https://zdoom.org/wiki/DECORATE

>>3784093

I forgot to say I looked at the ZDoom Wiki and it's honestly pretty unhelpful.

>>3784102
It's actually extremely helpful, but you need to know what you want to do already. Go look at the default Doom classes on the wiki and you'll get an idea for how it all works.

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>Ancient Aliens
>Sinkhole Showdown

Holy shit, this .wad is great and this level is kicking my ass.

>>3784104

There's literally nothing about how to get started. It's basically like, "HERE'S HOW TO MAKE A NEW PLAYER CLASS!" Yeah, b-but...

>>3784106
Try reading that post again.

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>What if I just sharpen the AO and the normals
Aside from the shitty edges I think it turned out pretty good straight out of Blender.

>>3784107

So, your advice is to look at resources I've already tried, and read posts I've already read. Brilliant, thanks.

>>3784109
If you can't figure out DECORATE from viewing the classes under https://zdoom.org/wiki/Classes:Doom you might as well just give up. Stop being such a stubborn prick and actually apply yourself for once.

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>>3784109

Yes, actually.

Open up an old wad. Look at its functions. Look at what the ZDoom wiki says about them. Edit them. Look at the resulting error message when it inevitably crashes, and edit it again.
You have to start yourself, though. Make a small and simple goal about what you want to do, and then do it.

It's how I learned. And now I make mods pretty regularly. Sometimes people play them!

>>3784105
Step.1 Keep moving
Step 2. win

>>3784109
Pretty much everything you need to know is in the wiki, already linked to you. read through it, try things, google "decorate zdoom" and read everything you can find.

I learned decorate that way, as did everyone esle who learned decorate in the last 3 or 4 years. So its not the resources fault if you can't work it out. Try things, playtest things constantly, look at all the standard doom classes (all the items, monsters, players, etc.) and see how they're set up.

>>3784109
you're welcome, hope you can get it going

>>3784089
There's a tutorial for weapons from WildWeasel http://gunlabs.blogspot.com/2011/01/tutorial-how-to-make-your-first-basic.html

But for monsters your best bet is copying the decorate for a monster off the wiki and modifying it. If you aren't sure what something is, most everything is already a link to an article about itself. If you want to know how to do something, Googling it with "zdoom decorate" in the search tends to find it on the wiki or in a forum where someone already asked your question.

I think we all learned by taking and modifying and just absorbing the patterns.

>>3784116
The part that gets me is when you drop down into a small chamber with a bunch of chaingunners, a mancubus and an archville.

>>3784106
Honestly this is pretty much all you need to know to get started:
https://zdoom.org/wiki/Using_inheritance
And like this guy said >>3784110
Just look up some vanilla monster/etc. that you want to change.
Make a copy of it with inheritance.
Add shit to properties/states.
Go wild with it.

>>3784114

Hey ZDoom Wiki is helpful but I have a question. How do you get templates for files like MAPINFO? Is there an easier way than hunting down an existing WAD that already has its own custom version?

>>3784131
nope

>>3784131

Not really, there isn't a set template aside from:
map mapxx "Mapname"
{
shit goes here
}

>>3784126
thats the part I was talking about.

When in doubt, chaingun out. If it seems like theres going to be a trap or arena, you know that hitscanners are going to be the most dangerous threats so always keep the chaingun out the slow action of switching weapons will prove deadly against commados and shot gun guys. If there are no hit scan enemies then switching to your shot gun or launcher is fine, because you can just dodge projectiles .


Anyways can't stress enough, in arenas KEEP MOVING. Find a good route, it's usually circular. Sometimes it's a figure 8.

anyone know what might cause doom to hang on "P_Init: Init Playloop state.", when merging a wad (using nwt) in dosbox?

>>3784168
>nwt
Dude holy shit that is ancient. Get Slade and check the wad to see if anything is weird in it.

is there some place where i can learn how to make mods for darkplaces quake engine?

I can't sleep so I think it's time for some masochism, I mean mapping

>>3784197

Shut up, James.

>>3784185
I'm just using it to -merge the .wad into doom.wad. I could just edit doom.wad in slade, but I wanted to do the whole thing through a batch file in dosbox.

>>3782701
So about Tenebrae... the one link on the "So you wanna play some Quake" image that claimed to be one of the final existing links, simply doesn't exist.

Has Tenebrae truly disappeared from the internet? Wondering if any have something close to an answer

>>3784225
http://www.gamesrevival.ru/mods/44

Some russian site dedicated to source ports and updates to the old games (an affiliate of old-games.ru). They store all the stuff on their onw servers, so it got preserved there just in case. The big bold green "CКAЧATЬ" is what you need. It is a direct link.

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God it fucking hurts. Cacodemons have no mercy in groups now thanks to signalling. It's just a nonstop onslaught of death and dodging.

>>3784225
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rd8hz9nzshumiki/Tenebrae_2010.zip
Here as well.

>>3784225
Also code repository: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tenebrae/

Why is the chaingun so fucking weasauce in both Doom 1 and 2 anyway?

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>>3784239
>>3784243

Well shit guys, thanks.

>>3784248
It's the anti-Cacodemon gun.

>>3784242
>Cacodemons have no mercy in groups now thanks to signalling.
Hmmm?

>>3784248
Because it's a chaingun, a lot of people expect it to be a BRAKKA BRAKKA gatling, when it's actually the tactical mid-to-long-range weapon for softening up targets.

>>3784247
>>3784250

You too
Guess I can't research for shit

>>3784257
Webm converting. Muh toaster is on fire.

>>3784259
>>3784254
>>3784248

Because people commonly misuse it.

First two shots are pinpoint accurate.

>>3784242
>humans killed
Please change it to former humans or zombies, it agitates me

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>>3784257
So yeah, this webm doesn't show the sheer volume of fire these fuckers put out in a single direction if you don't avoid them like this, but what's happening is that every attack signals the others to attack as well (sometimes), and alternate their attacks between wide and fast. Also each time one dodges the others can choose to dodge with them or charge at you.
>>3784272
Yeah, I'll change it to something else eventually. I'd count it in demons but muh autisms

i can't possibly merge bubblegum crisis and blade

>>3784254
>>3784259
But it does look exactly like a Gatling gun and the purpose of having a lot of barrels is mostly having fast rate of fire. It behaves exactly like an SMG though - slow rate of fire (600 RPM or less), it shares ammo with the pistol and all, it sounds weak, at that point they might as well have given it the looks of an SMG. Also I found that the only thing I really like it for is stunlocking annoying cunts such as the zombies and lost souls.

At least the Doom 3 one actually felt powerful -and WAS powerful albeit inaccurate if memory serves me right.

>>3784279
Nice. It's actually kinda scary when they all fire like that and dodge off in certain directions, like being attacked by a swarm of bees. The aggressiveness really makes it seem like you're fighting off the relentless forces of hell.

Keep up the good work.

>>3784297
You should see the revenants :^)

They chain fire so when one finishes firing he tells the others to fire, then when they finish they tell the others, etc. Basically they make an attempt to alternate firing so the individuals are still moving but the group itself is unloading plenty of tracers at you.

Also the hell knights and barons automatically trigger nearby lesser demons to attack you Even lost souls.

Is there a reason why all the Master Levels seemingly replace DOOM 2 levels randomly?

>>3784316
Like, one is for MAP03, another for MAP07 etc. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.

>>3784248
It's not, every weapon has a specific purpose.
The chaingun is extremely important and you should always have it equipped when you think there might be a trap or arena.

Chain gun - have equipped always, use to take out hitscanners first in the fight

Shotty - clumps of imps/ finishing off strong opponents after rocket shots

Rocket - taking out huge groups, mainly for final doom, but theres a few instances where that situation arises in doom 1 and 2. But aside from that its used to soften up high HP enemies like caco's and barons

Plasma - only really important in final doom traps. Used to clear a path to a safe spot quickly.

BFG - lots of good uses for this, knowing the ideal situations and making good use of this weapon is staple to being a good doomer.

>you can now edit DECORATE scripts in GZ Doom Builder

That's good!

>You still can't save scripts into a wad, you have to create them in SLADE first.

That's bad!

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Am I retarded? I can't think of why it would freeze here.

>>3784319
Music choice, most likely.

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>>3782702
Id's RPG series being recreated in GZDoom

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/87871-wip-the-ids-rpg-series-coming-soon/

>>3784319
I believe a couple of the map07 replacements use tags 666/667, hence the location. The rest, I'm not entirely sure.

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>>3784315
>You should see the revenants
I'd rather not

>>3784363
A bit of a silly reason, considering they could have easily included a custom d_runnin for that.

>>3784373
Also Teeth.wad makes use of the secret exit switch, hence its location as map31 and 32.

>>3784315
>>3784378
posted too fast

I like how the Hell nobles now live up to their name by commanding their underlings on the battlefield, that's great.

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>>3784384
Yeah, I'd like to make the interactions more complex but for now I'll settle with at least having the basic system in place. I'm still deciding on what should be considered "lesser" to the barons, since some of the demons (mainly Revenants and Mancubi IMO) seem to be more like specialists than the kind of commandable legions I imagine a baron would use in battle.

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Maybe it'll be okay in tiny sprites.

You guys ever just sit down and listen to the Blade soundtracks? 2 and 3 are really good., it's all techno / big beat / drum & bass with rap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_w4STzvo8A

>>3784389
It seems like a linear ranking system isn't going to work. You could plan it with what combinations of enemies would work well together and only signalling them. Or you could cause the signals from questionable monster combinations to cause different behaviors, like a baron starts attacking and the revenants run away and fire from a distance, maybe even elevated or behind the player if that's possible.

I think Mancubus + Revenant attack combo would be brutal.

>>3784379
It's the way a lot of really early wads did it. Why bloat filesize with a duplicate midi when you can just put your map on the slot that has that track in the IWAD?

>>3784396
>>3784389
So, does that means that killing specific monsters is going to significantly alter monster behaviour in the current battle?

BTW do you have any name for the project, or any specific goals?

>>3784389
>Baron throws the revenant over the player

>>3784248
weak? The chaingun is one of the more flexible weapons in Doomguy's arsenal.

Come across a hoard of zombies? Hold fire and mow them down, got one baron or hellknight? Stunlock their dumb ass. Got a target way out in the distance? Tap fire in a slow but steady rhythm and you have a pinpoint accurate sniping weapon, and its ammo is arguably the second most common, second to shotgun shells.

Learn to love the chaingun.

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>>3784396
Yeah I'm thinking maybe to have a few different calls that signal different combinations. Funny enough Revvies and Mancubi both use a chain method of signalling (as opposed to what humans do, which is more of a synchronization method), I'm not sure if I want them to try to team up since the mancubi are so hueg that it might cause more infighting than anything else, but it's a possibility.
>>3784403
As of right now imps just get freaked out when you fuck up them or larger demons too much, but I might just implement a fear reaction in more demons later. As for the whole "signalling" thing, reducing the numbers of a pack will reduce their aggressiveness in many cases, and killing a hell knight or baron will likely cause the enemies that they can affect to become a bit less aggressive. Also killing pain elementals will help stop you from being swarmed because the pain attack triggers lost soul charges now.

No name yet, but I just wanna make a fun mod that makes the game a bit more challenging and interesting basically. Although I'd prefer to not add too much custom content and just change the existing stuff.
>>3784406
:^)

>>3784397
A lot of early wads did it because a lot of early mappers in 94-95 period didn't know any better.

And I doubt the file size bloat (which honestly wouldn't have been that much bigger) would have even mattered when its an official expansion.

>>3784410
Got to go all out and Morale Meter so if a big boy's around them then they'll keep fighting, maybe even get cocky up close if the morale is high enough.

>>3784415
Actually the baron is probably going to have a passive "anti-fear" radius that just nullifies any fear states in demons if I do put more in. Assuming the game doesn't slow to a crawl from all the custominventory fuckery I'm doing.

Literally everything so far is decorate, not even ZScript.

I should probably sleep though, gotta find a job or something tomorrow.

>>3784413
>early mappers in 94-95 period didn't know any better.
Who do you think the Master Levels authors were, and when do you think it was produced?

>>3784420
An exception

>>3784420
>Who do you think the Master Levels authors were
Hand picked authors that made higher quality offerings than the norm at the time. Two of which contributed maps to Thy Flesh Consumed earlier in the year. Another contributed maps and midis to TNT a year later.

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>>3784391
I can goof the scale for a pickup and thrown sprite. Need a better material setup though, and if the pickup is going to spin then it needs more frames. Maybe just a few frames of a moving shine every so often.

>>3784453
oh man this is looking pretty cool though.

>>3784372
man, that's fucking baller.

I loved the shit out of the ID RPG series, Wolfenstein RPG in particular was fucking tight. The doom RPG series will always hold a special spot in my heart.

is there a way to emulate java games on smartphones?

>>3784472
>Wolfenstein RPG in particular was fucking tight
>that fucking moment when you accidentaly give Cyberdemon his new look
>that fucking moment when you are a Doomguy's ancestor
>that fucking moment when you stop saving the world just to kick chickens

>>3783692
>literally the only two general that are always open in my browser are this one and /tg/'s /osrg/
I've been wondering about that.

Anyone else no longer enjoy gameplay mods?
After playing brutal doom, d4d, russian overkill. They were extremely fun at first, but then I started playing them with my favorite wads like ancient aliens and stuff and all of a sudden they became very trite very fast, and cant compare to experiencing a megawad with vanilla gameplay.

Anyone else experience this? I feel its because every megawad is designed for vanilla, i'm sure if they made mapsets FOR each and every gameplay mod it would be much bettere (i know brutal doom has one, and it actually makes brutal doom alot more fun)

>>3784485
Completely depends on what you play

>>3784485
Yeah but it's depression.

>>3784485
I've grown to appreciate gameplay mods that do minor changes to the gameplay but keep things within reason

>>3784495
like?

>>3784496
Final Doomer?

>>3784501
>Final Doomer
>minor changes to the gameplay
It makes the game way easier.

>>3784505
It's because they're designed for the hardest megawads.

>>3784506
It's still a significant gameplay change.

>>3784505
thanks i'll check it out
>>3784512
At least it's not blood everywhere taking up the entire screen making more difficult wads drop frames. Not alot, but enough to be annoying, doom should not be dropping frames on any modern computer.

>>3784485

No, I still very much play gameplay mods.
It's like getting bored with mapsets. There's way too much variety.

>>3784501

I love Final Doomer a lot but "minor changes to gameplay" is not how I'd describe it.

>>3784485
>Anyone else no longer enjoy gameplay mods?

I personally was never that big on them in the first place. They're fun for like 30 mins for me, and then the novelty wears off, and I just go back to stock. Theres also a few that can be very restrictive on what mapsets you can play for a balanced experience, which doesn't really sit well with me.

I wish TCs were more common.

>>3784485
gameplay mods are cool

the needless divide in the community between mapsets and gameplay mods is dumb, dumb, dumb

>Doom E4M6
>that shit music
>that enemy placement
>those annoying as fuck specrets that are almost impossible to see thanks to the radsuit's visual effect that love to get in your face while you're using the rocket launcher
I liked E4M1 and E4M2 way better than this map. And E4M9 should've been E4M1, it's disgustingly easy for being a secret map.

i give up trying to mod for doom
i fucking need actual hitboxes and quake-like movement

quake is too ancient for my needs as well so whats the next best engine to use?

>>3784537
GoldSrc?
Just go Unity?

>>3784356
P_Init calls R_InitSprites. Ordering of sprites is very sensitive, they need to be all in one continuous block, so if nwt fucks it up bad things will happen.

Alternatively: in vanilla doom the sprite lump name scan calls W_GetNumForName for every sprite if modifiedgame is true (which is the case when a pwad is loaded, and you can see the message on the left of your screenshot). W_GetNumForName is infamously slow, being a linear search in the original .exe; Lee Killough of the BOOM development team would often demand public fellation for replacing it with a hash table based lookup.

>>3784535
Oh and
>turning off choccolate Doom's volume also mutes the SFX
Simply epic.

>>3784485
i feel the same as >>3784524 : entertainment for a few maps, then deletion, and return to prboom.

>>3784527
>the needless divide in the community between mapsets and gameplay mods is dumb, dumb, dumb

ah yes dumb dumb dumb. all mapsets must have gameplay mod as well comrade. lead us into glorious future where all wads require gzdoom and all other ports killed off. heil zahl, the great leader!

yeah, no.

>>3784548
I mean, choccolate Doom's music volume.

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>>3782748

this is what I got so far, I'll try to sleep

>>3784564
iirc this is a problem in windows 7 midi emulation, the engine can't do anything about it

>>3784569
Thank god I can mute the music if I'm using OPL. Also how the fuck were you supposed to see things past 50 meters on the DOS version?

>>3784562

You're a dumbass.

>>3784086
But Dead Simple is fun
Now if we said say.. The Pit or the Chasm then yeah I'm with you.

Or at least skipping the level

>>3784602
refute the point please.

>>3784562
and where the fuck do you get THAT from?

>>3784501
Final Doomer does some huge changes

How do you feel about Weapons of Saturn?

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>>3784562
I've seen some leaps in logic before, but going from "the community has a divide between mapsets and gameplay mods" to "everything must be GZDoom" really requires something special.

>>3784620
okay.

gameplay mods are more or less exclusively zdoom-based. mapsets which include gameplay mods effectively require a zdoom-based port. (dehacked is too flexible and annoying to work with, ultimately insufficient for purpose, other advanced modding ports just haven't taken off.)

thus if mapsets having gameplay mods became the norm, a majority of new releases would require a zdoom-based port. (currently you can still play most of the year's best releases in prboom-plus or eternity or whatever else.)

in this future, as more and more mapset releases begin to require zdoom, the other ports will die off slowly, perhaps still being maintained by a few vocal die-hard users but being otherwise irrelevant.

eventually qzdoom will stabilize its development and merge with gzdoom (i believe this has always been intended by the qzdoom developers). zandronum already is gzdoom-but-a-couple-of-years-behind.

this leaves one port, a monoculture, over which graf zahl, as project lead of the merged gqzdoom, has ultimate dominion.

i do not believe this is a good future to behold.

>>3784625
nothing special, i can just see further than you.

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>>3784638

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>>3784638

>>3784638
lmao

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>>3784638

>>3784638
I'm pretty sure you're reading a little too much into it, friend.
It's not exactly a big secret that the mapping community and gameplay mod community rarely intertwine.

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>>3784638
Hm.

>>3784638
nigga i was referring to community reception, not making every project a fucking tc

>>3784638
>in this future, as more and more mapset releases begin to require zdoom, the other ports will die off slowly, perhaps still being maintained by a few vocal die-hard users but being otherwise irrelevant.
I can guarantee you this will never, ever, ever happen.

>>3784638
>mapsets which include gameplay mods effectively require a zdoom-based port.

valiant, one of the most notable examples in recent memory, is MBF and not zdoom-based at all.
you're jumping at shadows.

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>>3784638
Now that's a slippery slope.

>>3784649
It's worth noting that we, in 2017, still have people making mods for Edge.
Edge.
Fucking Edge.
Of all fucking source ports.

Gameplay mods seriously need to disappear. All of them become boring very quickly and serve no other purpose than making Doom more like Call Of Duty. Whenever I look up videos for a specific wad on Youtube there are tons of people playing that wad with Brutal Doom or Brutality. All of those faggots can go fuck themselves. Doom needs to be played as vanilla as possible, every other way is the wrong way and that is no trolling but solid fact.

Wads are what's keeping Doom alive, not some stupid gameplay mods. If you want to play CoD, go play CoD and don't pretend to like Doom.

I don't mind the strong focus on GZDoom though. At least not when the merge with QZDoom really happens. Right now I am sticking to ZDoom because I cannot stand OpenGL graphics on Doom and QZDoom seems to do an even better job at retaining the original look of the game.

>>3784684
the problem with *_txt accounts is that some people perceive getting on them as something cool and funny and thus try to out-retard each other in hopes of being featured

>>3784690

I don't even know what a txt account is. It's really funny when mongoloids call other people out for being retarded.

>>3784684
>Whenever I look up videos for a specific wad on Youtube there are tons of people playing that wad with Brutal Doom or Brutality. All of those faggots can go fuck themselves.
I'd stop playing Brutality if other mods could give the same quality in monster variations/abilities and gore. Without Brutality I'm left with ketchup and colourful hell. Ketchup lacking the different death animations to go along with the blood and colourful hell having no sense of balance between its own monster lineup.

I get your puritan outlook on the game but the monsters in Doom grew tired and predictable long ago.

>>3784684
Is this the birth of a new epic copypasta?

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>>3784638
u wot m8

>>3784698

Colorful Hell is nothing more than a gimmick and there is really no need for more gore than the original already has.

Wads offer more than enough variation in level design. The variation of the stock monsters is perfectly fine. Especially those that were added in Doom 2 are very varied when in comes to tactics and mappers do a great job placing them and mixing them up for strategic challenges.

>>3784698
You also have Smooth Doom

That has multiple death animations and gore.
Makes Ketchup pointless I feel

>>3784712
Does Smooth Doom alter the gameplay or is it just graphics?

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>>3784704
My reply was way too long and I didn't want to make multiple so here's a page of reasons Brutality improves the enemy design.

>>3784732

Wow, I really didn't expect someone on here to go in that much detail on this.

I do see your point on the monster variation and agree that the classic monsters have easily exploitable patterns or can be just mown down with the chaingun. A lot of the modern wads work around that by using them in a way that makes even those challenging to fight and that doesn't have to be just a huge number of those monsters.

At the end of the day it all comes down to personal preference. I played some Brutal Doom but could not stand it after the novelty wore off. That is mainly because it makes the game annoyingly hectic. Like you said, Imps leap at you and Pinkies speed toward you while Barons go all danmaku with their fireballs. A lot of people, me included, are used to the original, slower gameplay.

I'm okay with more unique monster behaviour, but I've learned from first hand experience that you really need to be careful about what abilities you give monsters, otherwise things become an annoying clusterfuck very quickly.

>>3783001
I'd really love to get into Marathon, but the ass backwards control scheme really put me off from it. Is it worth learning how to control it, just to experience Doom's Mac-based nemesis?

>>3784740
Thanks for reading all that and I agree Brutality can make the game too hectic because it's a random number generator determining which enemy variations you'll fight instead of a map maker hand placing enemies to make memorable fights. This becomes the mods greatest flaw because it turns the early maps into Call of Duty where you have overpowered mod weapons against vanilla enemies but can turn later maps into an absolute shit storm since map makers like to make their final confrontations feature hordes of enemies and when every other enemy has a gimmick the player can end up forced to spray and pray.

If the unique enemies of Project Brutality were hand placed in maps to create fun encounters instead of being left to rng I feel it would make the community appreciate them much more.

I have two questions:

Are there any sourceports of Pathways into darkness or alternatively Doom2 mods that recreate it or something?

What is the difference between Brutal Doom and Project Brutality?

>>3784771
Well, you could open a map, handplace brutality monsters as you see fit, then make a patch.

>>3784774
Project Brutality rebalances core features of BD, and adds 2-4 new tiered variations for each enemy, each with unique abilities. Also same tiered upgrades to the arsenal.

It is very customisable as well - you can restrict certain monsters from spawnin, or restricts which tier spawns. You can make only tier 1 spawn, or only tier 4, or you could select dynamic progression with monster tier rising as you progress through maps in the wad - in progression mode even on higher tiers low-tier mobs still occasionally spawn.

Overall, even if you restrict it to tier 1 (mostly vanilla mobs), it is a straight improvement over BD in every regard.

>>3784794
Ugh! You write like an advertizing brochure. What a turn-off!

>>3784729
Personally I feel like Cacodemons are more aggressive in it(And I can't imagine why) but it is just graphics changes.

What is the best dark ambient mod? It's actually fairly easy to turn Doom into a survival horror game just get ultimate doom visor and turn light setting to at least Darker but with the vanilla music atmosphere goes fuck itself.

>>3784831
Not what you wanted, but a mapset https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=51608

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>>3782702

More gdxBlood :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzvLXWZlE3Y
This time, more gameplay and some enemy AI

>>3784850
No sound ?

>>3784859
Not yet apparently. I'm guessing it'll be one of the last things to be done, after all the gameplay stuff is 100% finished.

For some reason I'm trying to find one of those WADs http://pastebin.com/X5dddz3F or an updated version of it, only thing I found so far is links that go back to archived threads that point to the same broken links.
Anybody here happens to have that on hand so I can finally stop using the old broken version that I still can find easily for some reason?

Hot new exploit on Steam involving meta tags and guide titles that'll redirect you to a website of their choosing, such as phishing or an exe download.

Don't open any profiles, don't even browse Steam pages from Steam. It looks like you'll be safe in Firefox if you disable automatic redirects. Also just look at your address bar each page load.

>>3784831
Can't you rip the "music" from the PS1 Doom total conversion?

>>3784889
Show us proof of this exploit.

>>3784907
Here's a safe demonstration.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/omgwhyyme

It'll either just take you to a PHP or an EXE autodownload, I've got too any safeguards for it to do much more than take me to the PHP.

>>3784895
>but with the vanilla music atmosphere goes fuck itself.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/addons/alternate-dark-ambient-music-pack

I can vouch for this. Atmospheric music and comes in two flavors. The latter of which is better for the later episodes in proper Hell itself.

>>3784912
Huh, that's pretty fucked.

>>3784912
Christ, I take it this is a pretty elaborate exploit?

>>3784916
Nope, just have to put <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://target.com" /></meta> in the title or description of a guide, kind of funny.

4chan will sanitize this post right

>>3784912
What does the EXE do?

>>3784918
Fucking what? That's one of the simplest HTML exploits in the book. I don't know what's scarier, the fact that something that simple works, or the fact that it only started being exploited.

What if UAC invaded Hell and demons only launched a counter attack in self defense? Doom is a criticism of american foreign policies Doomguy represents a bloodthirsty burgerclap attacking innocents whom he sees as evil because of american propaganda.

>>3784919
It's an intro animation the programmer made when he was 16, probably like the old crack group animations you'd get in DOS games and sometimes GBA roms.

>>3784920
I don't think it just started being exploited, I think it was just recently caught / admitted there's a problem. The Steam browser doesn't always show the address bar right?

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>>3784923
So peaceful and tolerant just like the real thing!

>>3784927
Hardly ever, unless it's in a new window. Someone's head better roll for this.

Doom was an inside job

>>3784925
Ah, Ok. Thanks.
Also, the music is pure shit

>>3784937
k

>>3784774
>Pathways into darkness
Just looked this up, why would you want to play this when you could be playing Doom?

>>3784923
>What if UAC invaded Hell
Wasn't one of the Doom mods for Wolfenstein exactly like that?

>>3784939
Because for one it's almost completely different?

>>3784939
PiD has qualities that set it apart: the atmosphere, the difficulty, the unique mechanics, and RPG/storytelling elements.

it definitely has its limitations, given that it came out in 1993, but it's worth a playthrough. it's one of my personal favorites, because I'm a sucker for games with atmosphere (such as Hexen and Faxanadu to name a couple).

>>3784774
PiD has been ported to OS X. I can confirm that it's a faithful port, although it does have a few glitches. the original is probably still the best way to play it, though you'll need a system 7 emulator handy (I used Basilisk), as well as a pdf of the manual to get past copy protection.

Why is hell so retarded? Lmao what's the point of Imps and pinkies and such shit? Icon of Sin should just spawn Cyberdemons only.

>>3784993
cyber machine broke

>>3784993
it's called "combined arms warfare"

>>3784993
>lmao what is the point of destroyers/infantry, let's just field only superheavy battleships/tanks!

>>3783691
hellbound is nice for the look of the maps and the nice progression, but I recommend using a gameplay mod if you don't like vanilla gameplay too much because the gameplay doesn't go much further than having a bunch of monsters in front of you.

>>3783967
I only had this problem with a few of the episode 2 maps but overall it's mostly excellent stuff.

>>3784997
Combined arms doesn't mean ''pump out useless shit'' hell would be better off without fucking Imps since knights do the same thing but are more durable and deal more damage.

>>3785030
You just made this up. Nothing in Doom lore indicates IoS gets tired by spawning monsters.

>>3785030
if we're going by lore based on game mechanics the IoS can't actually choose what he spawns and he can't spawn the boss monsters.

>>3785035
>@
don't blame me that you're more dense than a collapsing star

>>3785036
maybe, but look at it like this, why do you think that all the tougher monsters in the later levels? why it doesn't throw them at you immediately? it wants to test YOUR toughness. the more dedicated you are, the more the IoS wants to impede you by throwing you a mancubi/hellknight gauntlet

>>3785030
>only problem was they were fighting a 6-1 battle
yes, that is a problem. of course a tiger could annihilate a sherman, but it was defeated by being outnumbered and outflanked by the smaller tanks. this means that strategically, building supertanks was an unsound strategy, not to mention the demanding logistics.

Y'all trying to bring real world logic into video game mechanics designed to give the player a chance like anyone's going to win the argument.

This is stupid and y'all dumb.

I'd like to see more megawads that use more extra monsters than boom compatibility allows. ZPack tried but they did literally everything wrong, whether it had anything to do with ZDoom features or not.

Maybe even some extra new weapons to go with the extra monster types and no other fancy features, so it would be in the style of a kind of an unofficial Doom sequel and "almost vanilla but not really".

>>3784769
>Ass bsckwards control scheme

What? Ive beaten the whole trilogy and im not sure what you mean. Its got pretty standard fps controls. The only problem is the god awful mouselook. You have to learn to get over that

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>>3784794
>expecting the single grenade launcher and the six-shooter grenade launcher would get balanced (the SGL being the slow, powerhouse type with the HE, frag and incendiary rounds, while the six-shot be the spammy, gimmicky type with the sticky, acid and freeze rounds)
>SGL gets tossed, replaced with something that looks and feels weird

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>>3785036
>all right which one of you idiots forgot the boss takes decaff!?

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Closer than ever to acceptable sprites right out of Blender.

>>3784923
go back to cracked

>>3784923
except doomguy is also goodguy

>>3782701

Does anyone here have copies of the wads that were posted in this thread?

https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5077

The website they were hosted on seems to be dead for me.

>>3783550
>zombiemen spamming chat commands
Make it happen.

Anybody here play Doom: The Golden Souls?
It's basically the demonic love child of Doom and Super Mario 64. Puts Doom gameplay into a SM64-like shell.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=35135