>In the beginning of Donkey Kong Country’s development,

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>That's why Miyamoto hates Dong Kunt

Basically shows how much better Europeans are at art.

>>3780459
The left one looks like something from a Hanna-Barbera oneshot.

What's with the tie?

Left looks retarded.

>>3780474
Like I said; "The left one looks like something from a Hanna-Barbera oneshot."

I'm the only one who likes Miyamoto's Kong? The Rare CG Kong has not aged well and sometimes look evil.

>>3780536
The problem is Miyamoto's looks like a generic cartoon gorilla with no defining features, if I saw that without context I wouldn't even know it's DK

With the Rare design you have features like his whipy ice cream hair and elongated mouth and expressive dark eyes

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>>3780472
>something from a Hanna-Barbera oneshot
...or 19 episodes by Ruby-Spears

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Miyamoto's DK is closer to what the original arcade game artwork looked like: fun and non-threatening. Yeah, he's kidnapped your woman, but he seems to have done it out of playful mischief. He also looks like the same DK from the 1994 Game Boy game.

Rare's DK looks like a typical Western hyper-masculine design. He looks like he's just ready to fight or fuck.

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>>3780563
You're right, of course. This is clearly another game of "youngfags out themselves"

>>3780563
>Yeah, he's kidnapped your woman, but he seems to have done it out of playful mischief

Pauline looks like she's enjoying it too

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Here's Game Boy DK for reference.

>>3780459
shit nigga i've been playing the arcade DK included with DK64
that thang is hard af

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>>3780563
In the arcade game it was clear that Mario was the villain. Always humiliating the poor Dong.

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Would you hammer this guy to death?

>>3780563
>he's kidnapped your woman, but he seems to have done it out of playful mischief

He's still going to rape her, you know.

>>3780685
>He's still going to rape her, you know.

Yes, but in a playful and mischievous way.

I prefer Miyamoto's, but it's purely out of nostalgia. I recognize that Rare Kong is more distinct and recognizable.

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>>3780685
>>3780690

>>3780589
Pauline is an interesting character.

>>3780629
This is more of a Donkey Kong Jr invention but remember that game was very very early too (DK3 too)

>>3780545
In the Ruby-Spears cartoon as well the relationship between all three of them is very interesting. I suppose in the 80s in the US cartoons were pretty much required to show healthy relationships so nobody was really violent or a "bad guy" per se. That led to the writers and artists to kind of subtly imply some things about Pauline that adults might consider kind of weird

All of this disparity between the OG DK and the DKC DK is why later it was made cannon that the modern DK is the DK Jr from the 80s, which makes Kranky the OG DK. I dunno of I'm crazy about part but it's all good. Mario must be in his 40s now at least considering all this

>>3780715
>Mario must be in his 40s now at least considering all this

He's around 26, according to Nintendo.

>>Melee was released in 2001
>>2017
>>26+16
>>Mario is 42

Yeah, you're right

>>3780715
>I suppose in the 80s in the US cartoons were pretty much required to show healthy relationships so nobody was really violent or a "bad guy" per se

What is your basis for this? Did you grow up watching 80's cartoons?

>>3780715
>I dunno of I'm crazy about part but it's all good

The good news is you can completely disregard this "canon." Miyamoto and company do it all the time. The Mario universe doesn't need a strong canon anyway.

>>3780726
>He's around 26, according to Nintendo.


Nintendo doesn't know shit. They make it up as they go along. Look at >>3780579's pic. That is not a young kid.

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>>3780747
>mfw I have a friend who talks unironically about mario "lore"

>>3780751
True, but that hasn't been "Mario" for decades. Mario's look and personality have changed since his inception, like many enduring characters. Trying to find a consistent and/or canon explanation to reconcile this is folly.

>>3780606
Mario vs donkey kong is best ver.

>>3780638
With my dong

>>3780840
>Mario vs donkey kong
Oh how I wish it'd be released on Wii U in NA or could somehow ge t the 3DS version. I'm a bit wary of buying GBA carts sight unseen.

>>3780465
But the left one looks more like an actual ape....

>>3780834
Anyone who talks about "lore" at all is an asshat who needs to die in a fucking fire.

Plot, story, whatever. That's fine, and a normal manner of speach. But whenever anyone says lore, it makes it sound like they think they're talking about some ancient cukture with folk tales or some goddamned thing. Nakes hem siund kike they take their toys too seriously, honestly.

Yeah, i'm an old fuck about this, but god dann it's grating to me.

>>3780867
Well, some games do offer plenty of small details that don't necessarily add to the story proper, but flesh out the game's world. I wouldn't say Mario is a great example of this, but broadly speaking I think discussing "lore" isn't inherently inapt.

>>3780874
Yeah, like Capcom's fighting games. They hardly have any sort of actual narrative to them, and what little there is is constantly getting retconned, but there's still all sorts of bits of trivia about the characters and the worlds. Like how Guile's dog is friends with the dog from the Bay Area of Final Fight, or how Sasquatch's species has biological air conditioning systems.

>>3780894
Capcom went all out with their lore back in the day (maybe they still do with SF, wouldn't know), and lest anyone jest, it went beyond trivial stuff like Guile's dog's friend. Darkstalkers' entire plot basically required you to read side material, not to mention all the character nuance. Blizzard was big on this sort of thing, too. While not necessarily official (it was only featured in this guide AFAIK), NOA's Link to the Past guide was chock-full of interesting tidbits about Hyrule culture and history. I ate that stuff up as a kid.

One example off the top of my head is that Guile and Ken are brothers-in-law (their wives are sisters). Again, it may have been addressed in more recent games, but it was basically left unsaid in SF2 and SFA, but added an interesting tweak to how one might perceive their matchups.

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>>3780743
Of course I did. Nobody gets seriously hurt, kids and animals never ever get hurt at all. Did you ever see anybody get shot on the GI Joe TV series in all the years it was on?

>>3780726
I'm just saying that if enough time passed between DK3 and DKC for DK Jr to grow to maturity and DK to collapse into Kranky even at Gorillaz faster maturity rate, 15 or 20 years must have passed. Either Jumpman was a very very young apprentice plumber/construction worker or somewhere there's a curly moustached Kranky Mario that probably has a real cruel streak - or maybe he's dead?

>>3780747
Agreed. It being sort of silly goes along with the action-game direction they took DK. This is probably why you don't see him in Mario RPGs or NSMB.

>>3780994
>Did you ever see anybody get shot on the GI Joe TV series in all the years it was on?

Not him but are you really trying to say Cobra Fucking Commander wasn't violent or a bad guy? Just because they never showed actual wounds from fighting doesn't mean they weren't still violent.

I like new DK's body shape but I fucking hate his head and that weird void of darkness around his eyes.

>>3780459
>Based Rare changed everything, and only kept the tie to placate that mardy bellend Miyamoto with something so he wouldn't feel like tanking the bloody project

>>3780459

I like both. For the style of DKC, the one on the right is a bit more fitting. It also contrasts with the clearly more childlike Diddy. If anything I think Miyamoto's style had more influence on Diddy's appearance.

>>3780459
Fuck Shiggy, Rare made better games.
All you nippo worshipers know the truth.
Get with it.

>>3780715
>the modern DK is the DK Jr from the 80s

Actually the modern DK is the son of DK Jr.

>>3780751
>That is not a young kid.

He's Italian. They either look young forever or get old early. There is no in between.

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>>3781141
What I'm trying to say is that there were broadcast standards that precluded pic related's type of relationship - and the Saturday Supercade probably even somewhat influenced the cute Mario we have today.

>>3780459
Left looks like Disney shit

Right looks like Dreamworks shit

I think in the long-run, right ended up good because it makes a bigger difference between Donkey and Diddy

>>3781263
You'd be better off citing the actual standards. Your GI Joe example didn't gel with your original argument at all and neither does Mario. There were clear antagonistic relationships and villains.

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>>3780715
>Pauline is an interesting character.
That's Lady.

I always thought Date's DK had more defining features. The swirling hair is memorable and he just looks more built for running and platforming than old DK does.

>>3781938
Rare's. Fuck autocorrect.

>>3780867
Well tbf lore, in this context, is a combination of setting, characters, and story, and includes things like in-setting folklore, traditions, beliefs, etc.. Basically it's the stuff behind verisimilitude.

But yeah anyone who talks about Mario "lore" unironically is an autist. You talk about "lore" when you're talking about something like Elder Scrolls or Fallout or some game based on a book series or a pen&paper RPG or something, not fucking Mario of all things.

>>3780465
Learn how to brush your teeth and bathe regularly

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>>3781435
There weren't any official ones until 1990. Before then there was an idle housewife community organization called ACT that would just subjectively flip out on particular shows and mount effective boycotts unless you flew below their radar, requiring some guesswork and "better safe than sorry" self-censorship. GI Joe was actually one of the shows that finally pushed them so far the FCC actually laid out guidelines. Mostly about advertising, but back in the day the ACT organization would go off about all kinds of things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Television_Act

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>>3780459
I prefer the classic design. I'm glad DKC got its own style and designs, looks fine for DKC, but it never should have spilled into the Mario series.

>>3781980
>never should have spilled into the Mario series
Once DKC was well received, that's basically how people saw DK. Before that he was kind of just the big monkey from the arcade. It would no longer make sense to use the old design.

>>3782008
Should have kept using DK Jr, like in SMK and Mario's Tennis. DKC had its own spin-offs.

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>>3781174
It helps him look more like an actual gorilla though. Gorillas have a heavy brow ridge, and eyes set deeply into the skull.

Plus, it makes him look badass. Miyamoto's design doesn't look very heroic.

>>3782019
Yeah, DK Jr. would fit in better, but of course people would rather play as new DK.
Kind of funny that they ended up together in Mario Tennis though.

>>3782036
I wouldn't.
It was neat that they were both in Mario Tennis though, but that was the baby version, not the one from SMK and Mario's Tennis.

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>>3782035
I would strongly prefer him to look exactly like Magilla Gorilla or Grape Ape than to look like a real gorilla. That's my politest response to that.

>>3780459
Miyamoto was just going off of the design he already had given DK while Rareware designed him from a Battletoads perspective because that's really the only other cool cartoony series they had to work with.

>>3782132
I absolutely hate these designs. I wish I could explain it. I never liked cartoon gorillas.

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>>3782139
>modern dk is a battletoad
jesus christ cannot unsee

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>>3782143
It's because they wear clothes, isn't it? You hate fun. Admit it.

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>>3781174
>>3782035
the void is actually really dark hair

>>3782157
That looks weird as shit too

>>3782154
No, I think it's more like how their faces are shaped or their dopey expression. It's the same dislike I feel when I look at classic DK.

>>3782157
That's even worse.

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>>3782147
Yep, I noticed when I saw this mod.

>>3780606
im getting a homer simpsons vibe from this one

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>>3782164
You got something against happy idiots? Learn to follow your bliss, Anon.

>>3780459


>Miyamoto's Kong

HAMADA AWTO

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>>3782220
>mfw i just watched that Lincoln episode where they have to decide between kissing Hamada or throwing a pie in his face.

I honestly would have kissed him. He got really pissed off when they threw pies at him.

>>3782184
>Idiot
>He's a fucking nuclear engineer

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>>3782254
God help us all

>>3780459
>Left
DK from the first game before he became a bitter old fuck
>Right
DK Jr. all grown up

>>3782269
Not canon unless you're a Rarecuck.

>>3782263
A qualified and successful (if lazy) nuclear engineer.

>>3782294
He just showed up the day the plant opened. Whatever certification he may or may not have would definitely have been bought by Mr Burns with no testing required.

>>3782294
There are some episodes where he's semi-competent but it's the exception, not the rule.

>>3780459
left : easily recognized as a gorilla. The tie is a nice touch to make it a little fantastic.
right : generic edgy trash, not immediately obvious what the hell it is

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>>3782373
>not immediately obvious what the hell it is
The puristfaggotry is real.

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>>3780563
>An ape
>He looks like he's just ready to fight or fuck.
Isn't that all apes do anyway, though?

>>3780563
Yeah but that looks shit. All the lines are sloppy and shit.

>>3781174
I always hated thw way Diddy's eyes merged into one.

>>3782373
Only a retard wouldn't recognise the right sketch as a gorilla.

You're a retard, anon.

>all the nip dick sucking ITT
Fucking weebs, man.

>>3781960
>implying all europe is UK
>UK isn't even in europe anymore
Fuck off amerifat, here in italy we even clean our fucking ass, something that you should learn too.

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>>3782157

Miyamoto's looks fine but rare's is less generic with multiple definable features (hair, brow ridge, arms)

I can understand shitting on rare's though, because Miyamoto's looks playful and Rare's is drawn with 'tude like he's sonic the hedgehog or something. fuck 90's tude.

>>3780563
>tfw you'll never motorboat DK's smelly pancake tits

>>3780459
they both suck in their own unique ways
what we ultimately got is the best of the two worlds

>>3782537
No need, I don't need to prepare to take it in the ass like you do.

>>3782184
>>3782254
>>3782263
Homer wasn't a complete fucking retard in the earlier seasons though.

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>>3785442
Homer Goes To College, the episode I posted where he causes a real meltdown in the simulator is from 1993 but if that's not early enough for you here he is crashing his cart into a radioactive steam pipe in S1E3. In the Ullman shorts he was pretty dumb too, just angrier.

>>3780459
I'm not sure I like either one, really.

The Chinese guy's drawing is stuck in the 70s/80s Saturday morning cartoon art style. It's okay looking, but outdated.

The other one is pretty annoying too. They just had to shit it up with the generic smirk and angry eyebrows that was big back then. As much as I love a lot of Rare games, they could really fuck shit up with edgy bullshit when given the chance.

>>3781435
there was always a clear villain most of the time but then Satan or Christmas would roll around and everybody would be buddy-buddy.

only one-shots could be maliciously evil

>>3780463
He could've changed him back yknow, Rare hasn't made a DK game since Daddy Kong Racing and yet every game used the Rare model.

>>3782395
You fucking moron. You claim that some western art is better than that drawn by Miyamoto himself?

>>3786429

Not that cunt but basically, yeah.

Just from the drawing miyamoto seems like exactly the type of poofcunt getting rooted with a triceratops strapon by his crazy munted wife

>>3780937
I loved how the old Nintendo Power guides for Zelda were written as though you were reading a fairy tale/going over someone's interpretation of the new scroll of Hylian mythology someone found in the royal vaults.

Like, the foreward of Ocarina of Time was about how amazing of a find this book was, because it proved that the Sealing Wars mentioned at the beginning of LttP was actually real.

>>3786523

>hurr it was actually real guys.
You're overdue for your medicine.

>>3786429

Dude Miyamoto's art fucking sucks.

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>>3786579
You need to work on your reading comprehension. He's not saying that he thinks its real; he's saying that he liked that the guides read like a storybook instead of a bunch of "Make Link crouch here with the Deku Stick by pressing these buttons" that would be standard in most strategy guides.

The old Nintendo Power guides were written from the perspective of a fictional historian from the fictional land of Hyrule talking about their fictional history. They used prose and the aforementioned "lore" to play this angle up.

>>3786587
Miyamoto's recent work is good.
His old art is shit, though, yeah.

>>3786579
Are you literally retarded?
He is talking about within the world of zeldas story, not real life. "You're overdue for your medicine."

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>>3786579

>>3787423

What has he even drawn lately besides smiling mario faces next to his signature? He doesn't do the official art for his games or anything like that.