Happy 20th Anniversary Final Fantasy VII! Here's to hoping

I wonder if it'll usher in a new wave of Tifa hentai.

>>3770690
I doubt it. It'll probably usher in more SFM porn though.

It will. Sorry.

>>3770687
it will, but that's fine. the original will still exist and to be honest i have no idea what people wanted from a remake in the first place anyway.

FFVII is the best RPG of the 5th generation

>>3770697
I wanted it to be not episodic.

>>3770691

I'm ok with this.

I have no idea why anyone would buy this game or be interested in it. I don't understand the concept of remakes.

>>3770723
if it was a shot-for-shot remake with updated graphics and sound, maybe minor dialogue tweaks i'd be interested. i think that's what people had in mind when they started asking for ff7 to be remade during the PS2 era. i don't think anybody was looking for whatever squenix is cooking up currently.

remakes can be worthwhile if done well though. resident evil REmaster is great, for instance.

>>3770691
it's gonna be glorious

>>3770736
I don't even care about the gameplay changes. The original was easy as fuck and rarely required strategy anyway. I'm more worried about how they'll handle the story and characters, especially without Sakaguchi to keep Nomura's faggotry in check.

>>3770687
1. The remake is gonna suck. Modern Squeenix is NOT a company good enough to trust with remakes.
2. Who cares, FFVII is great as it is.
3. FFVI is the one in need of a remake.

>>3770758
>3. FFVI is the one in need of a remake.
what makes you say that? the big meme that supposedly proves FFVII is unplayable after 1997 is that the characters don't have a consistent look in the FMV sequences, VI doesn't have any problems like that and most people usually agree that it's aged pretty well.

>>3770763
It hasn't aged well, CT and Mario RPG have aged well, FFVI has just aged.
IMO the gameplay is atrocious, from the humongous amount of bugs to the retarded esper system which forces you to play low level in order to have good stats. Then there's the weird sprite style clash between your party and the enemy's. And obviously the fact it's older than VII. Plus the setting is probably the most grandiose, which would translate nicely to the huge and visually detailed worlds we have in games now. I also believe remaking from 2D to 3D is much more failure proof, really forces the devs to reimagine the whole thing, instead of failing to know what to keep and what to ditch from the original, it makes the game different enough to atleast not be outright outclassed by the original as it can't really be compared.

>>3770763
>>3770779
I know I'm being a bit harsh on FFVI, but don't get me wrong, it's just that I liked the good parts so much that the bad parts bugged me even more.

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>>3770758
Be careful with that monkey's paw

>>3770779
>the retarded esper system which forces you to play low level in order to have good stats
That's completely unnecessary

>>3770779
Games don't age. The game just isn't that good.

>>3770783
god that shits ugly

>>3770783
Why do all human looking characters have boobs?

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yo explain this to me
why would Johnny think he was childhood friends with Cloud

>>3770794
*pulls out anakata*
"Since when were you under the impression that you were my friend?"

>>3770783
Yeah that's also part of the reason I wanted a big budget 3D remake of VI... The less it reminded me of "that" the better...

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Why didn't people in Corel just rebuild the town after all those years
If they lost their jobs because the coal industry went out of business, how do they sustain themselves in the present? Unless they're living off Shinra gibmedat, they had to come up with another way to make a living. This could have been a message of the dangers of government welfare.

>>3770783
i don't understand how anybody thought this was a good idea.
i saw a friend playing FFIX on PC, the sterile menu and font choices make it look like a run of the mill newgrounds game. completely suck all the personality out of it. shameful.

>>3770814
>how do they sustain themselves in the present?
they live in fucking tents dude jesus christ.
probably huffing jenkem all night just to forget about the overworld monsters and get some fucking sleep

>>3770823
something is keeping them there, otherwise they'd leave or rebuild
This is supposed to be a town of laborers

>>3770828
>something is keeping them there
yeah, poverty. they save up some gil from selling soft's to travelers, take the tram to gold saucer and ball out for a weekend, go home broke, repeat.

>>3770814
Correct me if I'm wrong but IIRC there are shops there but they only sell crap.

A nice touch from the devs.

>>3770830
Right they're poor because they're poor, like they can't diversify their economy and simply have no motivation to rebuild their town because there's a thing called poverty floating around in the air. If they were each free to sell whatever they produce and keep their earnings, it wouldn't take too long for them to set up a new industry. If all their earnings are put into a common pool of wealth and everything is redistributed, then they're pretty much forced to stay that way. But all you see them do is complain about Shinra and Barret... yet you see no Shinra presence enforcing anything, so I assume they're giving some financial aid so they either *don't* get motivated and depend on Shinra, or just to make themselves look good.

>>3770814
What I want to know is why they're all shifting the blame to Barret when they were just as keen to have Shinra fuck around with their town. The only one who objected was Dyne.

>>3770853
I totally forgot about that. They were all lecturing Dyne about how most of the town wants to upgrade to mako, and coal was an obsolete means of energy or whatever. Later everyone scapegoats Barret when they all wanted the same thing. Dyne's the one who had it rough.

>>3770794
playboy?

>>3770783
Funfact; the game looks really good on the intended platform.

>>3770868
The remake?...

>>3770794
That had to have been a mistranslation. I doubt Johnny was in SOLDIER, and I think he was referring to Cloud being childhood friends with Tifa. I don't know what the playboy thing is all about.

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>>3770814
>This could have been a message of the dangers of government welfare.

you know, i might enjoy the remake if it were a radical departure from the original. it's fine for it to be an action RPG, i'm okay with that. but reshuffle the story. give us some radical shit, like aerith killing sephiroth or zack joining the team or whatever. make it worthwhile.

>>3770889
Literally taxing the productive and subsiding the unproductive
>inb4 taxing the rich and corporations
It's taxing productivity no matter how you try to spin it. No one simply sits on a static pool of wealth.

>>3770893
>subsiding
*subsidizing

>>3770891
>like aerith killing sephiroth or zack joining the team or whatever

Those are two of the dumbest suggestions I've seen yet.

>>3770787
>Games don't age
This pathetic meme proves that as much as video game players claim that it's an art form that they are still thin skinned fannish babies who can't handle the real criticism that art has to withstand.

>>3770891
One thing I'm hoping for is the Nibelheim flashback to give Cloud a completely different stat spread and abilities. Sure, we all know that the "Cloud" in the flashback is actually Zack, but if you wound up playing this without knowing about the original, playing a reskinned Zack would go from "That's weird" to a neat foreshadowing.

>>3770926
can you translate that to English?

>>3770926
No, you don't get it. People who say "games don't age" don't try to claim that vg standars don't evolve with time, instead they complain that some people see this phenomena backwards. The games haven't evolved, they've stayed the same, it's your perception that changed, this is why "games don't age".
What people really mean is that you should use another phrasing.

>>3770928
Or enemies being "leveled down" to where a "Level 1" "Cloud" can take them on.

>>3770938
That'd be awful.

The hole point of that is to show how strong Sephiroth is. So you get whiped out in a second by the dragon, but the dragon is like a bug under Sephiroth's boot.

Remember, this is the first time we actually SEE Sephiroth in the game, his first apparation. Before that, we only heard of him, and witness blood trails left on his path, made of blood of what was, up until that point, the only main villains of the game.

All of this works together. It was genius of them to link gameplay to story and have the playable character be super weak in combat compared to Sephiroth.

This being said I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it.

>>3770958
>and witness blood trails left on his path, made of blood of what was, up until that point, the only main villains of the game.
That was Jenova. You don't actually see Sephiroth in the flesh until you first make it to the northern crater. Whenever it was Sephiroth controlling Jenova or Jenova simply taking his form for convenience is clear as mud.

>>3770921
cloud dies instead of aerith how bout that

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>>3770962
I know that, but the player doesn't at that point. That doesn't change that all of this is to introduce Sephiroth to the player, whoever that Sephiroth may be. The weakness of the player during combat (as well as looking at the stats and lvl in the menu) in the flashback, vs Sephiroth's strength, is part of it, a huge part of it if you ask me.

>>3770964
>>3770921
shit let them call it "Final Fantasy VII R" and let people assume that R is for "remake" when it's actually for "restart" or something, but only reveal that after the fourth or so episode. do something notable square ffs, there's no point in reiterating the game major scene by major scene.

>>3770926
uhh nobody who makes a criticism like "it aged badly" stands up in the art world

art doesn't "age", and video games are an art. technology is what ages. please never post your pretentious shitposts again.

>tfw it's been as long since I got my mall job, started partying in earnest and hooked up with my first hot chicks as I had been alive at that point.

If you are gonna remake a FF game, pick something that could benefit from it.

Mystic Quest remake when.

>>3770779
>retarded esper system which forces you to play low level in order to have good stats

this is really its biggest gameplay flaw, bugs can be fixed but I'm not sure there's a solution for the dumb esper system

>>3770732
To be fair, what they're doing here seems very different from the original game. Pretty sure the battle system is completely new, and I'm willing to bet it will be anything like a 1:1 upgrade of the original. It's going to be more like a tribute to the game than a remake.

And remakes appeal to a lot of people. And it's not hard to see why. You get to play a game you know you love (or have been meaning to try) but with updated graphics/sound/gameplay mechanics. Pretty straightforward. I've played many of my favorite games multiple times, and if a remake existed, I'd give it a go just to have something fresh.

>>3770763
>the characters don't have a consistent look in the FMV sequences
Who the fuck actually cares about this?

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>tfw all the absolutely bat shit insane monsters are changed
Mostly excited just to see shit like the hell house, brain pod, and three unknown in HD honestly.

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Let's settle this. Opinions always seem to be divided here. Midgar; best part of the game, or worst part of the game?

I think a lot of people make a case for it being the best because it's extremely atmospheric, and does a really great job of introducing the cyberpunk setting, the characters, and building the world. Also it's the beginning of the game, so it's probably the part that people imprinted the most back in 1997.

Others, including myself, make the argument that it's actually kind of bad. The pacing is abysmal and you spend way too much time reading dialogue and performing arbitrary tasks and minigames, you never really get to the meat and potatoes of the gameplay at all. Also, Shinra was a slog, but it made your freedom afterwards so much sweeter.

>>3771149
Golden Saucer, Cosmo Canyon > Midgar

>>3771192
Golden Saucer is okay, but as I get older, I find I'm less interested in minigame features like that, probably because I don't have as much time to play video games anymore.

Cosmo Canyon is undeniably based, though.

>>3771196
I am one of the few that are obsessed with battle-arena in Golden Saucer. I play so much of that shit every time I revisit FF7.

I got it down to a science at one point to where I was only really scared of Ghost ships using the ORE to btfo me.

>>3771149
midgar is amazing. it's genius that you have to spend like, what, 15 hours there before this grand world opens to you. i just hesitate to call it the best part, or place, when there's so many other great places. i like the city of the ancients. i also just like mindlessly roaming the worldmap and listening to the marvelous world theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UARM4q7hHU

>>3771149
>>3771204
oh, but the golden saucer sucks balls dude

>>3771207
It sucks balls:spoiler] for you [/spoiler]

>>3771149
Though now I love the whole Midgar part, when I played it was a child I found it very dull until I got to the Shinra building (interesting that you mention Shinra building specificall as a "slog"). When I expected to play a fantasy game but instead was stuck in some modern looking depressing slums for hours it was a tad disappointing. But all the messed up stuff that happened in the Shinra building, the motorbike escape, the liberating and epic feel when you get to the world map and Cloud's story at the Nibelheim - playing those parts is among the fondest memories in my life.

>>3771205
>it's genius that you have to spend like, what, 15 hours there before this grand world opens to you.
That sounds like the opposite of genius. They could have easily cut it in half and still maintained the same sense of adventure without having it be such a pain to get there.

That said, I suppose if you were playing this the first time back in the day, you may be wondering if maybe the whole game takes place inside Midgar at that point. Then you're 15 hours in and suddenly BAM, world map.

But as a counterpoint, there isn't actually that much on this world map.

>>3770687
It'll blow as much as the original game.

>>3771212
>interesting that you mention Shinra building specificall as a "slog"
>60-something floors
>nothing of interest on over 50 of them
>besides random mini-games and simple puzzles that usually just require talking to some people
Eh. I get where they were coming from, the idea of storming an office building was pretty cool, but it was decompression at its worst.

>>3771230
>having a different opinion is being edge

Sure whatever.
I don't like the game, Cloud is the edgiest mf there is and the game is average at best.
I don't really get all the praise it gets while games like IV or VI faded into obscurity to the point fans actually think VII was the first game.

>>3771217
I remember when I read the reviews as a child I got the impression that it was some kind of amazing open world game with much freedom. I just thought I could go where ever I wanted and do whatever I wanted and was really overhyped about the game. When it turned out that the game seemed to be about reading text (and I could understand only a bit of English back then), commanding your character to "attack" instead of directly controlling him and progressing linearly in a depressing slum, I was rather disappointed. Though eventually it became my favorite game ever.

>>3771238
>games like IV or VI faded into obscurity to the point fans actually think VII was the first game.
on what fucking planet do you even live

>>3771149
fantastic for the first time, painful on subsequent playthroughs

>>3771257
>commanding your character to "attack" instead of directly controlling him
Was this your first RPG? I remember the first time I played Mario RPG. I rented it having no idea what the fuck RPG stood for. I just assumed it meant something that would be revealed later. Then I got into a battle and I was like "The fuck is this shit?". I don't think I started appreciating RPGs until the Dreamcast era.

>>3771238
>Cloud is the edgiest mf there is
See, this is how you can tell someone is just regurgitating shit. I'm playing the game for the first time right now, and Cloud is "irritable" at best. And as I understand, it's actually part of his character development. Calling him the "edgiest" is hyperbole of the highest regard.

I think people confuse this incarnation of him with how he was portrayed in Advent Children, where he actually was an edgy, emo bitch the whole time.

>>3771103
'concept' was the wrong word, 'appeal' was what I meant to write.

If it really is a different game from a mechanics point of view, it really just should be a new game. They are just cashing in on nostalgia, and I ain't gonna take that bait.

>>3771268
At the end of the day, gameplay is what matters. I don't really care what coat of paint it has on it, but I think the story of FF7 is certainly one that could benefit from a revamp, so why not?

>>3771263
this

>>3771263
>I don't care what happens to the world as long as I get paid
>black clothes
>all of world's anime cliches condensed in one character
>not edgy

The movie just made things worse.

>>3771258
It's not like I want to give an "easy mode" argument but when was the last time you saw normies talking good about FFIV or VI?

Back in my time and even today all I see is 7 this 7 that and basically, a huge fangasm since Nomura touched the franchise.

>>3771263
>I think people confuse this incarnation of him with how he was portrayed in Advent Children, where he actually was an edgy, emo bitch the whole time.
i.e. dirty secondaries

>>3771064
but they'd redo the music.

then there'd be nothing left.

>>3771263
>Was this your first RPG?
Yes. I still think RPG is the weirdest video game genre, at least in its Japanese form.

>I think people confuse this incarnation of him with how he was portrayed in Advent Children, where he actually was an edgy, emo bitch the whole time.

I would say that Cloud in the beginning of FF VII is "edgy" (cold, selfish and sarcastic), but in a good and interesting way that was for me at the time at least a refreshing type of main character. And seeing him slowly develop into something else was interesting as well. The Advent Children Cloud is a tedious self-pitying emo, an opposite of edgy I think.

>>3771281
>I don't care what happens to the world as long as I get paid
It didn't take long for him to change his stance on this.
>black clothes
confirmed for not playing the game
>all of the world's anime cliches condensed in one character
In 1997, most of his cliches were pretty fresh, actually. If anything, he's the character that made them popular enough to become cliches.

Wow. Secondaries actually are a thing. Which e-celeb did you watch stream this game, junior?

>>3771017

games are not art you fucking cunt, and they absolutely age at different rates. look at a large swath of the early days of 3D gaming and compare it to games that came out only a few years prior, still using 2D, that hold up exactly as well today as they did then

>>3771317

FFVIII Squall is edgy.

>>3771457
retard didn't even read my post
>technology ages, not art

a well written plot doesn't "age", even if the graphics look old. and well-conceived gameplay doesn't age either.

>>3771262
I agree with this.

>>3771319
None, old man.

I've tried lots of times to play this and try to like it but I just can't. I don't see the innovation, just anime appeal. And otakus are strong.

>>3770687
It will.
>>3770787
>Games don't age.
They do.

>>3771546
So you're saying the games are different than they were originally?

>>3771546
They don't.

>>3770697
honestly all it needed was updated character models. even if they were brought up to the level of something like FF9 then the game would be perfection. as it is, the models are a weird blocky mess.

>>3770697
I wanted one but I wanted the same thing with some polish and maybe a few little add ons like a new area, some side missions, a new weapon to fight, and a few new materias. Just a facelift really, not the bullshit they're pulling

>>3770704
Subjective but its def in my top 5.

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>>3770687
It's gonna suck

For me, it was confirmed as soon as I saw Barret with sunglasses and the Midgar streets paved with asphalt, let alone the multi-release crap they announced a day later

And how the hell are we gonna pull off pic related?

>>3771925
You can play with hi-res models in the Steam version.

>>3771951

The pre-rendered backgrounds being so low-res fucks up the look somewhat, though. Apparently all the assets got deleted after production, I'd love to see someone go through the effort of remaking them but it's such a herculean task nobody could possibly pull it off. Same reason the PS1 framerate during battles hasn't been fixed yet.

>>3771950

The game being episodic is one of the most baffling gaming decisions in recent memory, I can only imagine it's to recoup more money. Problem is the episodic format peaked years ago and you're not going to 'hook' anyone to buy the next episode if they already know exactly what's coming (which everyone buying this game does.)

>>3770964
cash me outside how bow dat

>>3771149
I never understood why people hated Midgar yet are totally fine with later Final Fantasy games being straight lines from beginning to end chock full of unskippable cutscenes. IMO Midgar had the right balance of story and gameplay, and was the perfect way to get players immersed in the lore and universe of FF7.

>>3771281
>It's not like I want to give an "easy mode" argument but when was the last time you saw normies talking good about FFIV or VI?

Literally all the time, especially VI which is regarded as the true crowning jewel of the franchise. Just go on any FF related forum and ask and I can guarantee the majority would say VI.

>>3770697
>i have no idea what people wanted from a remake in the first place anyway.

I know what I wanted from a remake. Although what they are making isn't really it. I'll still play it for sure though.

The thing is that I don't want a remake for it to replace the original. I want it mainly to see how a remake would look for one of the most biggest retro games of all time.

>>3772601
fite me fgt

>>3770820
>i don't understand how anybody thought this was a good idea.

It required little effort relative to the income of money it generates.

>>3772623
I was alright with the fan modding community myself, seeing comparative hyper detailed characters interacting with Lego blocks still had me grinning.

>>3771950
>Midgar streets paved with asphalt
...what does this mean

>>3772031
There's a 60FPS patch for the PC version which works really well, but fucks up on summons.

>>3772607
>I never understood why people hated Midgar yet are totally fine with later Final Fantasy games being straight lines from beginning to end chock full of unskippable cutscenes.
I'm pretty sure those sentiments aren't necessarily coming from the same people. I'm also sure that a lot of people were not fine with what FF games became later on.

I personally thought Midgar was a drag, and I pretty much dropped the FF series as a whole after 10 because the cutscenes were miserable, as well as the voices. I've watched friends of mine play 13 and 15 and it doesn't seem like I've been missing much.

>>3773090
"NOT MUH".

>>3773149
12 tho

>>3770814
Look at the skin color. Mexicans, that explains it

>>3770697

I wanted it just to see what a game Nomura makes entirely for himself would look like. On the scale of self-masterbatory emo retcons it's a solid 11.

>>3770814
They're just looking for someone to blame. Remember, Dyne and Barret were the leaders or the people who made the deal with Shinra or whatever, so even if Barret protested he ended up going through with the deal anyway.

And with Dyne supposedly dead, the only person they can place their blame on is Barret really. I mean that's what typically happens, the person in power gets blamed for the big trouble even if they didn't cause it because they didn't fix/stop it.

>>3773220
12 its not what the usual FF player will get into.

The characters are boring, the story has no emotional impact whatsoever and the main villain its almost non-existant for the whole game.

Not to mention the gameplay is like playing an MMO offline.

FF7 was one of the most boring video games I've ever played through. The huge majority of the game is just pressing X.

>>3774926
You're a fucking idiot.

>>3774926
Circle you dumbshit
Thanks for proving u didn't play it

>>3770697
>i have no idea what people wanted from a remake in the first place anyway
Wasn't it obvious that they only wanted a HD reskin? Some even wanted the atrocious AC style.

>>3774926
>s just pressing X.

welcome to every video gmae

>>3773151
I am confused

>>3770814
Need more money from dem programs. It ain't right that people in the Golden Saucer enjoy all that glit and glam just because they work 24 hours a day listening to that maddening song. Plus there's systemic racism against them from the Shinra soldiers only for breaking the law more often.

>>3770687
there is no way it can be worse than the original

>>3774926
Every JRPG is boring shit, or at least the ones made by Square.

>>3775325
With Nomura in charge it definitely could be.

>>3770687
Considdering the remake is an episodic hack n slash game with dissidia graphics...

>>3770704
Only because Chrono Trigger is 4th generation

>>3770835
I think that you could buy the Force Stealer there. Not crap at that point by any means.

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>>3770687

>>3777360
>chrono niggers
It ain't that amazing folks

>>3775634
I'm certain that 90% of Dissidia's problems are a result of it being on a handheld with horrible buttons

>>3778651
Dat ass

>>3778657
Chrono is great the fuck you talking about you faggot?

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>>3778651
Cloud is a sexy lady. Looks best in a dress.

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say something nice to miss cloud

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>>3779784
I'm gonna penetrate her(him) harder than Sephiroth penetrated Aeris.

>>3770794
>why would Johnny think he was childhood friends with Cloud
I'm guessing he knew Cloud was amnesiac and was trying to get closer to Tifa

>>3770687
the game will be like rebuild of evangelion. It will start the the same but as more it progress the more different it will be from the original

>>3780681
I wouldn't mind if it was closer to the original game plan. Several things were cut out or were poorly communicated.

What will be hilarious is all the newfags screaming about how X was changed, which will prompt FF7 veterans to say "Nuh uh, this is how it was in the original".

>>3770732
Are you being obtuse or are you just that dense that you don't understand it?

>>3770842
It clearly wasn't all that long ago that the events of Corel took place.

Jesus Christ, do you see how people live in some places in the world? Do you REALLY think that it's just that easy to rebuild a town?

Don't try to poke holes into a game if you have zero understanding of how life works.

>>3770891
>Let's remake A New Hope but have Obi Wan kill Vader instead

>>3780771
Let me poke a hole in FF7.

How the fuck does the cable car to Gold Saucer even travel that distance? The distance is at least ten times the diameter of Midgar and there are no visible means of traveling there so easily. Not to mention the fact that the cable car moves AWAY from Corel so it does something really fucky. Not only is that distance impractical as fuck, it goes through a really bad area. It would've made more sense to have an airline service.

>>3780681
i would like that

>>3770794
It was a mistranslation. Johnny was never in SOLDIER and Tifa obviously told him at some point they were childhood friends.

>>3771017
Quite literally every artistic medium ages don't be a fucking mornon.

The problem with new Square is that they cannot make interesting characters or worlds in the last 10 years. But if they are remaking VII then they don't have to do create any new characters or a new world. If they fuck up the VII then I think all their old fans will be done with them permanently. Especially after the recent non-/vr/-related XV that was mediocre at best.

>>3779767
Cant believe they are cutting this bit.

>>3783553
Are you kidding? Just imagine that shit, in modern graphics.

It would be way too sexy. Like guaranteed M-rating, at least.

>>3783553
It is a silly scene that I guess they dont feel they could do with modern graphics. Part of the reason they did it at first was because of the limitations with how basics their models were. So if they did it in full HD, then part of the ambiguity of the joke is lost. That's the only reason I can think of, at least. They should keep it in and still do it because its a goddamn remake and they only have one job. But I'm more worried extra shit they might add.

>>3770891

Fuck zack, fuck ff7 prequels, fuck gacht, fuck advent children, fuck the shitty vincent ps2 game.

None of the extended shit improved the universe lore. Last Order was somewhat acceptable, but that was basically plot from the game as a 20 minute anime.

All square need to do is look at the resident evil remake and have some scary nip foreman shout DO THAT but with this in jap talk.

Going to wager it will be an action RPG ala Type-0 and other modern ones. XV didn't turn out to suck and XIV is OK even though its an MMO. Maybe it's better to think of it more as a interpretation of FF7 than a traditional remake.

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>tfw still working on the final fantasy vii complete soundtrack remake i announced on /v/ in 2014

http://picosong.com/ra5H/

>>3784139
Sorry it's taking forever. I'm literally doing all of the music. As in, all of it. All 85 tracks. And I'm not talking some shit vsts over the midi shit. Audio engineering is my career and I'm doing this shit by the book

>>3783571
but the there is still going to be the the dom choosing tifa and cloud breaks in and kicks doms ass right?

>>3783553
What? I thought it was confirmed that it was included. Has there been new information?

>>3771149
Having never played a JRPG before FFVII I thought Midgar was great because I didn't realise it was restrictive. This made the leaving Midgar even more mind-blowing. I think FFVII was a lot of people's first game like this so I'd say that experience is fairly common.

>>3771207
This is an idiotic statement.

>>3770704
Yes, even though I play ff8 way more (triple triad is tha shit) ff7 is a monument for 5th Gen rpgs... in america!

>>3770736
REmake was legit as fuck. To bad they didn't do ff7 remake during GC era?!?!?!?!

>>3771281
It depends on your age bracket andd where you're from. I'm from Ireland and was 8 when FFVII came out so most of my friends would never have played any FF game until then. Even at that a lot of them have played FFVI and others through emulation since then. I wouldn't consider them to be big into retro gaming either. FFVI is relatively well known by most people who have played more than one FF game as far as I'm concerned.

>>3775583
What's the fucking point of making such an empty comment like this? You've added nothing to the conversation and have done nothing to attempt to actually get your opinion across gkys

>>3770932
I've regressed. I only play amiga, c64, cpc, atari st and dos games.. well I pla new vegas, but that's really it. I never grew up with these systems. I had a nes,snes,sega,psx,n64. Why do I like these old games and systems I had never played before???

No, really tell me why, cause I'm confused as fuck!

>>3784603
Because it's true, JRPGs are cancer.

>>3784615
What was the point of this post? It's completely off-topic. Why aren't you just hiding the thread if you get this upset?

>>3783571
This is pure bullshit there is no interviews or quotes saying this shit. Your weak attempt at trolling is shit you should kill yourself. One of the first things they said was they are keeping the crossdressing and the wall market the same. so fuck off with your bullshit.

>>3784139
that's some good shit my nigger

>>3784615
But it's still a completely pointless post to make in a JRPG thread. You're not attempting to change anyone's mind or to engage in the discussion. You're just being a petulant little fucking 12 year old who wants to get his opinion across but has not means available to actually articulate it in any useful way.

For your sake I hope you're no older than 14 or you really should be worried about yourself.

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>>3786798
>You're just being a petulant little fucking 12 year old who wants to get his opinion across but has not means available to actually articulate it in any useful way.
welcome to trump's america m8

>>3770962
>Whenever it was Sephiroth controlling Jenova or Jenova simply taking his form for convenience is clear as mud.
I'd say it's pretty clearly a matter of convenience.

Sephiroth is distinctive without being a huge fucking monster, so Cloud and the other clones have an easy trail to follow and Jenova can blend in with humanity.

>>3770697
> i have no idea what people wanted from a remake in the first place anyway.

THIS, ff7 is perfect the way it is. I don't want voice acting, cloud sounds exactly how cloud is supposed to sound in my head, which is very ambiguous and I can't really clearly imagine it or imitate it.

>>3780785
It would have to loop back over the mountain range and then travel from the mountain to Gold Saucer. This of course is absurd. It's more likely Gold Saucer was meant to be near Corel

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>>3770891
All anybody has ever actually wanted from an FFVII remake is the same exact game with better graphics. Nobody who wants a remake has any major issues with the game play or plot so fuck these suggestions.

>>3775083
The phrase, "NOT MUH __________" is used to criticize judgmental fans who have a knee-jerk reaction to singling out almost any minor difference in a new version of an old franchise and trying to use it as evidence that the new product is somehow objectively bad, even when the factor in question has absolutely nothing to do with inherent quality.

Like the streets of Midgar being paved. The game may or may not be good, independent of this detail, but simply because it is different, it has taken anon from his safe space and forced him to confront change, and that frightens him.

>>3780785
OH MY GOD, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE CABLE CAR DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE!! THE GAME IS SHIT!!!!

>>3787073
>the same exact game with better graphics
On Square's behalf, I can see why this would be difficult. I know they were making those bullshit claims about it taking 10+ years to recreate FF7 with modern graphics, but it's kind of true. The game has a pretty massive geography in terms of size and variety, and the reason it was easier back then is that it was all conveyed through a shrunken overworld and pre-rendered vignettes. To actually recreate all of those areas linked together, in full 3-D would be quite the undertaking.

>>3786876
I share your sentiment. Fuck voice acting. I'm playing through the game for the first time now, and voice acting would be UNBEARABLE. Also, I like the graphics the way they are. The pre-rendered backgrounds give the game a distinct atmosphere, and I find even the polygons charming.

>>3787073
I wished there was a graphic/sound updated version when recommending the game to others and I can agree that the game deserves one, but I've never been excited about playing such a remake myself. Now that they are making a more comprehensive remake, I'm actually more interested although I also realize that there's more room to fuck up.

>>3787094
Admittedly it would be very difficult and I know a 1:1 remake is just not going to happen but I'd rather they stay as true to the original as possible rather than decide to completely change portions of the game or important plot points.

>>3787159
Infinitely more room.

>>3787073
>>3787184
it doesn't matter if they change important plot points. FF7 won't be retroactively pushed out of existence, the original game will still exist forever and i'll still replay it every 4-5 years. FF7R should have full artistic license to grow into a whole different beast of its own.

>>3787184
>I'd rather they stay as true to the original as possible rather than decide to completely change portions of the game or important plot points.
Well then why not just play the original? I think one of the best opportunities a remake presents is to approach things differently, or to explore certain aspects with more depth. I'm way more likely to play a game that I know will offer something fresh than just the original with a new coat of paint. Although I'm not saying I don't see the appeal to that. I did gladly play the Zelda remakes on the 3DS, although that had more to do with them being portable.

>>3787193
This. This a thousand times.

>>3770687

Overrated!
FF6 Superior!

>>3770690
>>3770691

>forgetting that Most R34 artists nowadays cares only for shit like Marie rose and Ellie from Tlou, the pedobears, unless its studioFoW and their awesome kunoichi and elizabeth videos.

>>3787193
I've always believe remakes don't affect the original but as I watch more and more shit get rebooted and remade I believe it less and less. If I play the new one and it's shit it does attach itself to my opinion of the original and that's inescapable. I won't allow it to ruin the original for me but it certainly does weaken it.

>>3787216
I do and will play the original. It's not like FFVII hasn't had it's share of spin-offs already and they've all resulted in shit. Why bother making the core game again as a jumped up spin off? It might turn out to be amazing but based on Square's recent output I wouldn't be inclined to believe it will be.

>>3770704
>What's Panzer Dragoon Saga.

>>3787240
This is where you all or nothing faggots can get off you can fucking love the orginal just like i do. And also play the remake without "dirtying" the orginal you know.

Square has not make your ps1 disks suddenly dead and deleted with a fucking space laser.

If you are so pedantic about it just view it as a seprate cannon a "what if" scenario. Same with any reboot or remake that comes out.

How come they stole the huge materia when that seemed the best chance of destroying meteor? And why was the rocket still launched even when you stole all the materia?

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>>3771149
Midgar is comfy. They could've set the whole game in the city. More cyberpunk drama. Less overworld romping.

>>3770687

Happy birthday indeed.

And the remake will blow ass. Everyone knows it will blow ass, and they'll still buy it anyway. Then they'll wonder why squeenix doesn't put any effort into keeping them happy.

>>3780785
>>3786892
Here's the thing...
1. The cable car uses propellers to move and a jet engine to launch it from the platform....

2. The cable car doesn't loop at all..it just goes back and forth on the cable (which is why you spend the night when it breaks)

>>3788313
I'm pretty sure Square internally is recycling as many assets as possible. FF7 remake is going to be a disaster.

>>3788338
>I can predict the future :)

>>3788771
>Implying Square keeps their assets
Square is really, REALLY fucking bad about keeping their assets. Look at FF9's PC port, they're just taken from the PSX release hence why the backgrounds look like complete shit.

Japan is really bad about code and retaining assets in general.

>>3788776
No, Square knows what they're doing. They're going to recycle the fuck out of everything they've produced and just feed to us in a different game. Mobius and the FF7 trailer already confirmed to me we're getting Recycled Fantasy 7.

>>3783774
Last Order was actually the worst of the bunch. Almost every detail of the Escape from Nibelheim it got wrong, including ones crucial to the plot that were LO actually canon half of the original FF7's plot never would have happened.

You're spot on about the rest of the compilation though, especially Crisis Core. Good lord the game was borderline unplayable, and to think this is what many consider FF7 is supposed to be. Give me a break.

>>3787224
Fuck off Soundwave/Chaika

>>3788289
Because shinra are the baddies and avalanche are the goodies, that's all the justification they need.

>>3788780
you can't recycle art assets from 1997

>>3788953
There's a massive difference between lore and how it's presented. The lore of FF7 is that Cloud and his allies defeated Sephiroth and Jenova. The presentation of it could very well be "He didn't recruit Yuffie"

>>3788959
In Last Order, Tifa woke up to find Cloud came to her rescue. Had this happened in the game, Tifa would have instantly known that Cloud was never in SOLDIER, and she would have no reason to hold back the truth from everyone else. Not to mention it contradicts Cloud's backstory of being so ashamed he had to hide his face.

>>3788776
>Square is really, REALLY fucking bad about keeping their assets
was. i know we like to be stuck in the sweet 1990s, but modern square enix is known for extraordinarily good management these days

>>3787324
Obviously the original will still exist but the characters will now exist in something shit as well. You can say it won't affect your appreciation of the original (and perhaps it won't) but it does for a lot of people because they are intrinsically linked to one another.

>>3788970
She just took a near-fatal blow from a guy who two-shots dragons and fell down a flight of stairs and her home was burned down and everyone was killed all in the space of a few moments. I wouldn't be surprised if her memories were fucked up from a combination of mental and physical trauma.

>>3788773

I can recognise a pattern. Remember when everyone said that FF13 looked like shit, and they still bought it? Do you remember the years and years of "FF15 looks like it will be shit, Squeenix have totally lost it", after which FF15 became one of the fastest-selling games in FF history?

Do you really think this is going to be the game that makes people realise they don't have to buy the big-budget, heavily-hyped FF titles? I don't.

>>3789028
>they are intrinsically linked to one another.
but they're not.

>>3789073
They're literally the same characters.

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>>3789090
And?

>>3789101
I have no idea what that is but it appears to reinforce my point more than anything.

>>3789090
no, they are two different instances of the same character.

>>3789116
> same character.

Thanks for agreeing.

>>3789112
It was the Devil May Cry reboot, and before you run your mouth on that, Donte gets better character development in four missions than Dante gets in four games, a manga, a novel, and an anime.

>>3789120
>"better"

You mean he gets MORE of it. The character that develops is shit, and Virgul is even WORSE.

>>3789120
What does this have to do with anything? I didn't say reboots can't be good ever.

>>3789121
>Implying Vergil wasn't a shitty character from his inception
"Oh look at me I'm a badass half demon with a katana and I don't use guns because muh honor even though I'm a backstabbing power-mad cunt", I've seen Sonic OCs better than that!

>>3789126
Oh hi Tameem how's it going.

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>>3789119
oh sod off, kid

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>>3789130
I don't get it.

>>3788956
You can recycle assets made in the present day. You know, the shit they keep reusing in their current games.

Best example: FF14.