>you will never play HL1 Deathmatch again >you will never

>>3758132
>classic Sven Co-op will never come back
>can't find a proper LD pack of the 3.0 models with opposing force hands

>>3758132
feels batman :(

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>>3758132
We just had this thread on /v/ last night. I see you included Half-Life Rally, International Online Soccer, and BrainBread this time. Thanks.

By the way, on my previous topic of genre bending Half-Life total conversion mods, I forgot to mention Master Sword. It's a RPG, like a full on autistic DnD spreadsheet type RPG, and NPCs can understand certain player texts. The character saves aren't even client side, they are saved on their master server and carry between servers. You're welcome.

>>3758132
Day of Defeat beta was so much fun. I was pissed when they turned it into a CS clone.

>>3758508
What makes you say that? I've only played the final version of Day of Defeat, and it didn't feel like Counter-Strike to me. And I grew up playing CS 1.6

>>3758132

Why not? Where are the mods going?

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some of those gave me feels, back then I was very impressed with natural selection and what depth it created gameplaywise.

are there old counter strike versions floating around on the net? is it a hassle to get them to work at a LAN? I never bothered to check, but I'd love to play some 1.0 or 0.7.

I got some of my friends together and forced them to play some goldsrc mods over a few weekends. Actually made a stupid video of our Bumper Cars and IOS evening. I fucking love Goldsrc but it's hard to gather enough people to play in general.

>>3758559
They're not going anywhere, but they're dead now.

>>3758561

Yeah you can get any version of counterstrike last I checked.

1.3 was best though.

Folks remade the WON network so you can still find games on the internet. (1.5 is obviously the most popular)

>>3758524

The beta was an arcade shooter.

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>>3758583
jesus christ, thank you for the info.

around 1.5/1.6 I started to lose interest and steam was the final nail in the coffin for me.

>>3758132
>you weren't too busy with StarCraft and Diablo to play any of those

I feel my time was much better spent than yours.

>>3758132
What makes you think that? I've played a few of those recently.

>>3758568
They're software sport. They were never alive.

>>3758132
>he doesnt still play The Specialists

come fu me you gunnoob

>>3758717
Which ones?

>>3758132
But OP, I have already played these games countless times in the past, I have already fulfilled my time playing these games. I have no desire to replay them again. I have moved on.

>>3758841
>I have moved on
why are you here

>>3758619
I miss the butthurt about Steam. The fact that Valve forces you to update and won't let you rollback patches is terrible.

>>3758837
HL1, TF1, Neotokyo, Zombie Panic. I also played some stuff that's not listed there that I would think should be. Not sure. Trying to figure out what OPs point is.

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>>3758132

>>3758132
I see you have not mentioned Master Sword, Rocket Crowbar, or Wizard Wars

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anyone here still mapping with hammer?

>>3758132
I tried to get a TFC or even QTF match going on /vr/, but there weren't any takers. I had even packed up QTF into a downloadable zip and posted it, still no takers.

It's a shame, /vr/ doesn't have enough pop to sustain something like that, even on /v/ I was able to get a few people into a game.

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>>3759810
>Hammer

Worldcraft 3.1 (Sadly even after 15 years, I am still a shitty map maker.)

>>3760674
/vr/'s PC FPS fanbase is limited to Doom general unfortunately. Surprised there isn't a bunch of retards ITT whining about how HL ruined FPS.

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>>3760709
they show up, we just feed them to Hgrethedelon

>>3760709

Most of them don't play anything past Doom. Christ, it's taken them several years to finally start trying Quake, and even then the thread is still mostly about le epik flash-in-the-pan Doom mods.

>>3761985
How long will it take for them to try something without a sourceport? id games are entry level retro FPS gayman

>>3759193
>OPs point
Apparently there is none

>>3762202

Most of them are too afraid to try out anything besides Doom.

The Unreal Tournament thread has had only like 2 people coming in after trying it for the first time recently, and that thread has been active for like 6 out of the last 12 months in various forms.

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>>3758132
>you will never play Natural Selection again

I miss developing custom content for that mod, I've never experienced a community as amazing as that since.

>>3762470

>you will never spend a carefree summer playing Sven Coop 3.0 with random strangers on SnarkCafe again.

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>>3760709
Honestly Doom is the only engine with amazing support for custom content. From creating it to simply opening a browser, letting it scrape for the mods, downloading small file sizes, and joining the game with ease.

If only Valve made HL1 open source, then maybe we would see some purely sexual source ports similar to Zandronum that would make such things possible.

>>3762481

Doom's moddability comes from how easy it is to do certain things and how nostalgic people are for it. Any retard can mess with ZDoom's scripting, rip images of weapons from a model render, then combine them to make a new weapon.

>>3762481

Also, people have managed to do far more with older game tools simply because the editing tools (official and third party) were good enough that you didn't need the source, like with Doom.

FFS, people managed to make Quake Rally, a mod that turned Quake into a racing game, and that was well before the source code was released. Quake also had bots and all sorts of gimmick mods that would've been impossible to make with Doom back then.

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>>3762490
>>3762492

Thus its allure, Its true you don't need source to do much, you still don't see nearly the amount of community content for Quake1/2/Doom 3. Half-Life isn't hard at all once you learn 3D modeling basics and the engine can do some neat stuff. I almost started work on a mod called Move In! but CS:S had just released and killed the HL modding community with a sledge hammer. It was pretty cutting edge: bloom, really nice UI, ARMA style aiming, counter-strike/Firearms mod style gameplay. Dev testing was a blast but the first release didn't catch on and everyone stopped. Wish Quake 2 or Half-Life would pick back up, it would be cool to see something like Gloom get a real polished revival with players.

>>3762494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEiC8Qo0Q4Q

>>3758132
Played a ton of GldSource mods at lan cafes till I got my pwn PC and shifted to SatrCraft where I wasn't on any kind of time constraints.

>>3762478
Snark Cafe was the best. My nig

>>3758132
Oh, 32 player vampire slayer games over lan were such fun

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>you will never play ns_veil, ns_tanith, ns_hera, ns_bast, ns_eclipse or ns_nothing all day everyday in 8v8 or 12v12 servers ever again

why live?

>>3762481
>f only Valve made HL1 open source
at least we got Xash

>>3760709
HL didnt ruin the FPS.

However, HL did introduce the elements that were later used to kill the genre.

Halo is the one that killed FPS with complete linearity, regenerating HP+cover systems, weapon limits and oversimplified gameplay.

>>3762465
>>3762202
>>3761985
/vr/ needs to get fused back with /v/. ID-vidya general can go to /vg/.

>>3762719
How is NS2 even? I remember being incredibly hyped for it then getting it and being unable to run it or load a map up before the rounds even ends.

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>>3758132

>you will never play CS on WON on your parents' toaster laptop again

I'm on Windows 10 like a pleb and I can't get Half Life 1, Opposing Force or Blue Shift to run. They just freeze and crash at the launcher. I'm using the Steam versions if that matters.

>>3766328
NS2 started out well once they fixed the horrible performance issues.

Unfortunately the developers (under the influence of clueless community manager Hugh) killed the game through a series of horrible patches that would make glitches worse or radically change the game balance to the extent that everybody had to relearn the game. Instead of smoothing these things out, Hugh, who claimed to be in touch with the game's community, convinced the devs to focus on making the game more e-sports friendly. When that didn't work he convinced them to focus on casuals. When that didn't work the devs abandoned the game and handed development to the community who did some good work. Then the developers seized control of the game back and hired SOME of the community developers, not by the value of their contributions, but how much they sucked up to Hugh.

By then nobody plays the game except a handful of extremely hardcore players, but not enough of them to fill servers every night. But the game is still a shadow of its NS1 self. And it's not getting better.

>>3766328
It's a very good tactical FPS but it doesn't hold a candle to NS1.
>Tech Points mechanic makes the games more predictable and a lot more static.
>Power Nodes mechanic makes all these crazy Marine strategies from NS1 moot. No more Red Room surprise Siege Turrets, no more sneaky Phase Gate in a remote location, no more Marine relocation.
>Alien commander makes all the careful planning and complete organisation from the Alien team almost moot as well, since you now have someone in charge instead of it being a team effort with everyone involved.

>>3766423
Yeah, I feel like hiring the guy based solely on his videos was a bad idea. They also treated a few long-time players and content developers like crap, who basically did their work for free.

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>>3766671
So which version of NS1 was good? Apparently some ppl think anything after 1.04 was dogshit?

>>3767472
1.04 and 3.0+ were excellent. A few people say versions after the combat mode was introduced were shit but I don't agree. Combat mode did divide the playerbase quite a lot and was a bad idea, but the game itself was and is still great.

>>3767517
There were enough players before NS2 came out anyways to play on either mode.

>>3766008
>HL did introduce the elements that were later used to kill the genre.
No it didn't. Everything it did was done before it or would have been done anyways.

I really wish the counter-strike like mode for ther specialists took off because pumpable shotguns are cool as heck

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>>3758132
>you will never play NeoTokyo again

it was basically a cyberpunk counter-strike

i'm more upset about deathmatch & TFC because arena style shooters are practically dead in a multiplayer capacity and valve ran TF2 into the ground

>>3771717
Remember Fortress Forever?

>>3771957
while there were things that TFC did better than TF2 i ultimately liked vanilla TF2 better and what essentially looks like TFCHD didn't really appeal to me at the time.

is it still active or is it DOA like TF2C?

>>3758132
All of those except
>you will never play Action Half Life again
>you will never play The Specialists Again
are good things.
HL1's netcode was crap and those are the only two mods that made it playable for multiplayer. That being said, AHL kind of got some crap changes anyway and TS was basically it's successor - it also had some iffy changes and fixes it could have used that never got done. That being said you can still load it up with bots and play it.

The rest of the mods are also fairly crap. TS is almost a big enough loss to make your post worthwhile since few games will ever be released in history of it's kind. The rest were mostly buggy crap with poor design.

>>3772857
fuck off

Has anybody by a remote chance got the wav files from Planet Half-Life's/GameSpy's WAV pool ???? pls share

>finally got HL Rally to work
>nobody to play it with

Anyone wanna join me? It's pretty fun for a rally game desu

>>3774526
Maybe if it wasn't already late for me. I'd rather play Firearms mod though.

>>3772857
If Half-Life's netcode was crap then why were Counter-Strike players in love with their network performance?

>>3774526
I installed it recently and I need some actual multiplayer for some screenshots I need for my racing game review page. I don't know if we're ever going to work something out though. I will 100% do it if we get a fuller room.

>mfw come back to 4chan after playing Half-Life (online) and CS 1.6 with a server full of people

>>3759196
my nigga

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>>3774526
So I found that in the bindings there is a key for add bot... and this was the result.

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>>3774776
So this looks pretty normal right? The bots are actually half broken. They have no real driving AI and follow very generic nodes so sometimes they ride up mountain slopes, crash head-on into a bridge pillar or slide off course. Sometimes they will blaze past you and do instant 360 spins for no reason. Also they don't work on every map and they will just stall bugged. Still funny to mash the add bot key and see a swarm of retarded ants.

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>>3774779
And here's a half decent shot when AI doesn't want to go full retard. For anyone who hasn't played Half-Life Rally, these are just a few shots to show you how legit this mod is. Unfortunately it doesn't bind from a controller so you need to map buttons to key strokes, which means digital steering. You can also earn money to upgrade shit like tires, exhaust, intercooler and turbo.

>>3774780
>Unfortunately it doesn't bind from a controller so you need to map buttons to key strokes, which means digital steering.
I've played Counter-Strike with a gamepad for shits and giggles once (and walking was in fact analog), so I'm fairly sure you could somehow make this work as well

it requires some configuring via .cfg or console though

>>3774803
I think controller buttons bind as "AUX02" and so on but I don't know what the axes are.

>>3762719
>>3766328
NS2 is now being developed by members of the community.
Stuff like slow loadings have been fixed and people still play it to this day. Really good game as well.

>>3775236
it's actually JOY1, JOY2, JOY3... for buttons and AUX29-AUX32 for the d-pad

analog axes have their own commands for assignment as well as for sensitivity and deadzones

>>3774780
I will say that driving with a mouse is very fun and much better than driving with the arrow keys, and is dead easy to set up.

Also not really related but I'm dying to figure out how to make content for HL Rally, so if anyone knows WorldEdit and wants to assist me that would be fantastic.

>>3775757
Valve Hammer Editor is the official editor, but it's very old.

Jackhammer is modern and better, essentially improved over Hammer.

Mapping for HL Rally will be pretty difficult especially if you're new because the construction is very organic with the roads and terrain, opposed to making geometrically predictable rooms and corridors for a deathmatch game.

>>3775902
I'm okay at hammer and have made a handful of TF2 and CS:GO maps already, but I haven't ever really used displacements and I have no idea what the required entities are for a normal map. Also taking it apart with bspsrc doesn't work and bsp2map just leaves me with a bunch of textureless boxes, missing entities and a headache.

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>>3776179
You don't have displacement generators or tools for Goldsource, or at least you shouldn't be. The geometry is simple enough (relative to modern engines) that you should do it by hand for the cleanest optimization. I've done this years ago but this is a very macho example and unneeded detailed.

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>>3776187
Developed further here

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>>3776190
Closer look at the cliff

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>>3776193
I think I get it, but now even after I added the .WAD files for textures and restarted Hammer, everything's still got a white or sky texture. What gives?

>>3776206
Try adding all of HL Rally's wad files as well as the default Half-Life wads plus zhlt.wad for compiler related textures.

>>3776207
I added every wad in the entire half-life folder and downloaded zhlt manually, and still no textures.

>>3776220
Can you manually apply a HL Rally texture to those surfaces? Maybe the decompiler didn't do its job correctly. So we know whether your map file or the editor has an issue.

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>>3776225
No, the HL Rally files aren't showing up in the texture selector. Also just in case here's where the HL Rally wads are.

>>3776228
In the texture panel (not the pop up dialog) set the filter to all wads and then restart, I'm not sure.

>>3776231
Nope, not working either. I'll just have to use the normal HL textures, I guess. Thanks for the help anyway.

>>3776251
Try saving it as .rmf because .map is not a native working format.

>>3766416
Literally how.

Anyone else remember Science & Industry?

>>3777395
I did play not long ago.
Fun fact it's still being updated.
http://scienceandindustrygame.com/

>>3774676
CS 1.6 is more popular than CS Source.
It's the only HL1 mod that isn't dead.

>>3762470
>I've never experienced a community as amazing as that since
Same.

>>3771957
>Fortress Forever

Muh feels. FF was the first mod whose community I actively took part in.

>>3780365
I never was exactly a fan of FF's community, as the one server I played on was a "Family server" that slayed you for cursing.

>>3759810
I'm learning Hammer, but it's for TF2 so I can make Arena Respawn great again

Hammer Rally anon here, I got it all configured right and the textures are showing. However, even though I've got the build programs set up so it uses the SDK ones provided, it still gives me errors when I try to run the map. Basically it says it can't open the files related to the map (like map.bsp or map.p0) and it drops this as well when running the csg:

************ ERROR ************
Token too large on line 8

What do?

>>3784032
fug, forgot to mention it can't run the files because the files don't exist and I thought the build programs were supposed to make the files if they don't exist yet. Should I just make dummy files and hope it gets re-written right?

>>3758132
I was incredible at the Specialists. Never achieved that level of play in any other MP game again in my life.

>>3784032
You have too many wad files.

>>3784032
Use the ZHLT compilers, do not use anything SDK related.