/stg/ ~ Shmups Thread: Never stop going full shmup

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>tfw finally getting good at Galaga after a lifetime of completely blowing at it
It's so relaxing. I never really noticed how smooth and clear the movement of the ships were.

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>>3377209
Were you playing this version?

>>3377390
Nah, I'm playing the PS4 port

Got parodious, super r type, stinger, and star soldier vanished earth. My partner can ace me in parodious. Fun but humbling.

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Whats the consensus on the Detana Twinbee Yahho deluxe game on Saturn?

>>3377209
Galaga is my favorite schmup still.

>>3377390
I don't know why people like this version so much, it looks and sounds like shit.

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What's the best R-Type game ever?

>>3377894
the first one?

Is 3D shmup discussion allowed here too, or should there be a separate thread?

>>3378407
Don't see why not as long as it's still /vr/. Border Down, Under Defeat, Ikaruga (inb4meme), Radiant Silvergun, G Darius, etc should all be fine.

Are games like metal slug and space harrier shumps?

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Just got the original S&P the other day, and man, I had no idea what I was getting into

Lets just say this: I was not expecting the story to go the way it did. I wasn't ready for those feels. In any case, an amazing N64 classic, and a must for anyone who likes classic 3D shooters

Radiant Silvergun still gives me a hard on. Also that one with the robot fish.

>>3378439
>metal slug
Run 'n gun shooter.

>space harrier
Rail shooter, which is sort of like a 3D shmup.

So the Daioujou White Label WR run was uploaded the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vSFuWaTQZ0

>>3378439
Metal Slug is a run and gun which falls under the umbrella of shoot 'em up.

>>3378454
I've heard the sequel on Wii has one of the greatest scoring systems of all time.

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For a Strikers 1945 as a noob is this decent scoring? I can usually max about 150k with the P-51 with No Continues.

>>3379963
Why are you scoring Strikers when Gunbird 2 and Dragon Blaze have far more interesting scoring?

>Gunbird 2 is one of the 5 DC games that isn't VGA compatible
Guess I'm getting Giga Wing instead then.

>>3379967
How are they different? I'm new to these games and I just picked that one because I like WW2 planes and it seems like it was the easiest to get into.

I see there are a fuckton of games by Psikyo that have pretty much the same engine but with different settings.

>>3379963
>>3380572
I recommend you to go for a loop 1 clear before bothering with score. Either way, Scoring in Strikers 1945 is mostly picking up the gold at the right time

>>3380651
oh and also milking the popcorn in bosses

>>3380572
DB is collecting a bunch of coins and shooting your dragon at lucrative spots, producing more coins. The dragon works sort of like R-Type's shield.

GB2 is picking up medals when they sparkle, and getting all the gemheads. You can chain medals by only picking them up when they're brightest.

Does anyone have a list of shmups on the Dreamcast by region? I want to see what's available for PAL before importing any.

>>3380716
Looks like Yurop only got Giga Wing, Gunbird 2 and Bangai-O.

>>3380651
What is a loop 1 clear?

>>3381676
beating the game 1 time

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Anyone else like Fixed/Gallery Shooters?

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Takumi should port the DC version of Mars Matrix to computers/Steam.

>>3377091
ok guys I want an entry level shmup for MAME. Preferably something that I don't need to tap a lot.

Sugestions?

>>3382713
galaga 88

>>3382713
Armed Police Batrider. It has autofire frequencies built into the game which you can adjust during gameplay.

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Have you given up on love, /vr/?

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Get HOYPE for the next Dreamcast STG!

>>3382713
Batsugun Special, just play as the chick.

>>3384473

Sponsored by McDonald's apparently.

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What are some scrolling shooters developed in the West? Most everything I can think of is Japanese.

And if it makes any sense, ones that don't take heavy influence from Japanese shooters.

>>3386938
Tyrian

>>3386938
Are there any good euroshmups?

I have no experience with SHMUPs at all, but I've been interested in them for a long time.

What are the best games to play as an introduction to the genre?

>>3389415
Rayforce/Layer Section/Galactic Attack is a pretty simple one, while still being challenging.

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>>3389415

My personal STG starter pack:
Batsugun Special
Darius Gaiden
Gley Lancer
Gradius V
Metal Black
R-Type Δ
RayForce
Raiden IV: Overkill

These picks are not only fairly easy, but I think they would also leave a very good overall first impression of the genre since they offer a pretty grand cinematic styling as well.
Good luck, and have fun!

>>3389448
>>3389481
Thanks!

>>3389415
>What are the best games to play as an introduction to the genre?
>Darius Gaiden
Loads of content and great music. If you're feeling bored with one route, try going along a different route. It's also not too tough, though like most of these games they will require some dedication from a new player to get a 1cc, let alone a decent score.

>Batsugun Special
Plenty of bombs, gives you a free hit (though I don't actually know the mechanics behind it), and it's fairly easy. Plus, it's Toaplan! Can never go wrong with Toaplan.

>Gradius
It's a classic for a reason.

>Gradius 2
I prefer this to the first one, if only because you can choose different upgrade loadouts (though you'll quickly find that most of them aren't great).

>DoDonPachi
Butt rock + military sci-fi. Game got me into scoring because even if it's tough, the hit-chaining system is very intuitive.

>Armed Police Batrider
I was tempted to say Battle Garegga, but Batrider is a bit easier to a new player. Just be sure to set the dipswitches to let you select all characters (there's 18 of them, 9 from previous Raizing games), select what order you play stages, and choose single character mode (you usually play as a team of three, but you might enjoy playing as a single character to get used to how differently they all play).

>>3379963
Battle garegga is the best in scoring. It makes to your game more intense.

>>3389481
>cinematic?
Radiant silvergun is quite easy at first but gets difficult as you go along.

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>>3389415
Compile is pretty beginner-friendly.

>>3389415
Buy mushihimesama

>>3389501
Don't listen to this anon, Cave games are too daunting for noobs.

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I just discovered that you can flip the screen when emulating wonderswan in the PSP, and use the analog and the d-pad.

Any wonderswan shmups recommendations?

>>3389509
It's not like they have to pick maniac or ultra. The lower difficulties are easy.

>>3389516
You're already playing the best one, either that or Cardinal Sins.

>>3389516

What emulator man?

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>Bullet hell game where the bullets are still Raiden fast

You have 90 seconds to explain to me how G-Darius has not achieved perfection.

>>3390029
e[mulator] v0.82f for the PSP

>>3389667
Anyone else think Original is harder than Maniac?

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This probably nothing too impressive, but I finally managed to get a score of 1 million in Radien II on the PSX.
Great feeling all around, been working at it for months.

>>3390719
Congratulations!
I never could develop this kind of dedication for any game, in any genre.
What's the secret? What do you eat for breakfast? After about 2 weeks I have the urge to play something else. I wish I wasn't so volatile. How do you manage it?

>>3390719
Nicely done.

What are your thoughts on Raiden DX?

>>3377091
test

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>>3390719

You're doing great man.
Raiden II is not an easy game by any stretch of the imagination so you should definitely be proud of yourself for being able to make it that far.

>>3390719
Keep at it dude, did you clear the original Raiden already? i recommend you that (the no checkpoints version)

>>3390729
There's no real secret to be honest. Just play until it all just gets ingrained in your head. At least that's how I do it.
I usually take extended breaks with certain games and just get back to them whenever the time presents itself.
That and Raiden II is just that fucking awesome. One of my favorite games ever.

>>3390796
Raiden DX is damn amazing too, but I prefer Raiden II just a tad more. But really, both are amazing games and worth playing.
I just wish both get re-releases like the first one does.

>>3390821
I haven't yet, but it's something I'm working on as well. Been playing the PSX and PC Engine versions.

Any good SNES shmups that don't suffer from awful slowdown?

>>3391192
Aero Fighters is neat

>>3390664
If you're more used to standard Cave fare, then Original will probably be more difficult. I found Maniac to be really refreshing and cleared it much faster than I cleared Orig.

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Working on my own game, maybe you guys might dig it? I'm making all the art and programming it myself

>>3391839
Oh https://youtu.be/MsdrcWmq9xI
Here is a lil vid, of a previous build

If anyone here has tried Twinkle Star Sprite online, at what ping does the game become unplayable?

Yo I'm working on a shmup. How important are midlevel bosses? Could you get away with just doing a level with enemies then an end boss?

Been playing some Parodius collection on PPSSPP
Fun games, though some of the deaths can be frustrating, i died on one level where the respawn makes it basically impossible to proceed without better powerups

>>3394279
>Yo I'm working on a shmup. How important are midlevel bosses? Could you get away with just doing a level with enemies then an end boss?
Play shmups until you know the answer to this question.

>>3390098
I love G-Darius
But whenever all those bullets came out, the game slows down, they're not fast.

>>3394475
Thanks, super helpful.

Yagawa is a genius.

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>>3394497
>Judging a game's quality based on sloppy ports

Play the Taito Legends 2 version you philistine. That is the definitive version of the game.

>>3394767
Sure, I'll give it a try. I only ever played the PS1 version.

But honestly, I think G-Darius would be way too hard (for me) without those frequent slowdowns.

>>3394776

Wonderful! Your effort is appreciated.

And yeah, slowdown free G-Darius does make a world of difference. I've only been able clear the Accordion Hazard path so far, which is probably the easiest zone selection in the game despite being right above G.T.

>>3382227
does it have to be without continues?

What are the best schmups playable on the PSP?

>>3396234
Gradius Collection

>>3396234
-Salamander Portable (Arcade Life Force, Salamander 2 and XEXEX)
-Parodius Portable (All Parodius games)
-Ginga Ousama Densetsu Collection (Just play it for Sapphire)
-Soldier Collection (Super Star Soldier, Final Soldier, Soldier Blade and Star Parodier)

Really new to shoot em ups. What would you guys recommend for newcomers and which version of that those games?

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>>3396234
-Open Tyrian psp
-Sky force
-Strikers 1945 plus
-Darius burst
-Super Stardust Portable
-Raiden project

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>>3397451
Imo, the Power Strike/GG Aleste games are pretty good for beginners. I don't know how the Master System versions are but I really like them on Game Gear.

Another good one is Gunhed/Blazing Lasers for PC-Engine. Compared with many popular shumups like Life Force or Bullet Hells like Dondonpachi, this game isn't very fast paced.

Is Undertale a good introduction to shmup?

>>3394279
>Could you get away with
Leave our genre alone faggot

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>No arcade system
>No levels
>No power ups
>You just avoid things and rarely shoot them
>the shumup '''''''elements'''''' aren't even the main thing. The player has to start a battle first.

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>>3397587
Shit, I was replying >>3397505 question.

>>3397505
>>3397587
Undertale is the best shmup ever along with Ukariga.

>>3397501
I'll take a look. Really should look into PC-Engine and GG games. Both I hardly ever really touched.

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Been playing Guardian Legend.

The flat fish enemies are cute.

Thoughts on playing shmups with an arcade stick?

>>3398563
The patrician way of playing shmup. To play without stick, is akin to playing racing game without wheel.

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>>3397505
Can u shoot in it? Then it's a shump

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Parodius for Gameboy is my favorite shmup. What am I such a god damn casual?

>>3399337
Are there any bad Parodius games out there?

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>>3396787
>>3396818
>>3397494
Thanks lads, I appreciate the help. Sorry for a late reply.

>>3399270
Is Metal Slug a shmup?

>>3400107
Platforming shmup

>>3377091
What would you say is the best first shmup for someone to play?

>>3400586
2hu

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What does \vr\ think of Ketsui?

>>3377091
>download Zanac EX MSX
>everything is fine with first 3 areas
>noice
>get to area 4
>get hit
>lost weapon
>start weapon 0 power level 0
>should be ok there will be plenty chances to get another one
>play it for 30 min
>cant fucking pass it
>stuck with the weapon 0 with 4 power up until boss and get slaughtered every time
>decide to check walkthroughs
>they are literally showered with weapons for their choosing
>for some reason weapons dont spawn for me

Did i downloaded bad rom?
There are graphical glitches in the main menu on top of this
I am so furious.

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Where can I raise my chip quantity in the Guardian Legend? I'm still stuck at 100 and going into the ice area.

Why are Cave and Psikyo so shit?

Cave
>slow, dense patterns you have to wade through carefully

>Psikyo
>inhumanly fast, bursty patterns that almost always rape you

Neither design choice is fun.

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>>3382245
Fixed/gallery shooters are great, pic related is one of my favorites.

>>3391839
>>3391842
Looks neat. What language are you using to program it?

>>3394279
They're not necessary, but I think midlevel bosses are really helpful in preventing the level from getting stale and breaking up the action. I'd use them if I were you.

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>>3378546

You mean the Darius series?

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just beat guardian legend with 2.1m score

pretty good game

>>3403210
>dodging bullets isn't fun
guess this genre isn't for you familia

>>3398573
So it's perfectly acceptable for most games in the genre?

>>3404117
The developers intended for sticks. Why do you think all arcade cabs use them?

Do you prefer 3:4 (TATE) or 4:3 shmups, /vr/?

>>3404675
3:4 whenever it's provided. I can work with 4:3 just fine though.

Best stick to buy for shmups?

>>3404757
build your own.
Seimitsu LS 56 or 58 are the most popular models for sticks.

>>3401197
Like the game. I'm horrible at it, but I like it.

>>3404528
>The developers intended for sticks. Why do you think all arcade cabs use them?
Dumb cunt, the arcade setup came first the developers don't actually give a shit. It's a product of circumstance not intention and fyi even top jap players and ikeda himself say "it's just a controller use what you're comfortable with" all arcade does is remove any choice. YOu dumb fucking muh authenticity nerdlings really chafe my cock because not only are you insufferable stupid fuck lords but you're also almost always utter shit players not worth a post stella piss.

>>3403210
What you mean to say is...

Why am i so shit at CAVE and Psikyo?

>Cave complex score systems that requires effort on my part and constant grinding at routing + execution to achieve a good score

>Psikyo
>fast bullets which creates a strong memory and execution style game that will punish me because I'm a lazy dumb low iq fuck who can't create strategies or execute basic principles of muscle memory.

Neither design choice is suited to my abhorrent levels of lazy incompetence and refusal to invest effort or learn, because i am a worthless puddle of tikka masala shit.

>>3405048
Epic, man.

>>3405050
Don't give it attention.

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>>3377091
>try Gradius two years ago
>can't beat Stage 3 no matter how much I try
>decide to play Touhou to increase reflexes
>spend two years beating every Touhou on Normal
>confidentally go back to Gradius
>still can't beat Stage 3

What is wrong with me?

>>3405174
>decide to play Touhou to increase reflexes

Well there's your problem. Touhou game are fucking SLOW and are hugely guilty of recycling basic enemy patterns over and over.

Try some of the games I listed earlier ITT from my STG starter pack.

So I 1cc'd my first shmup, Zanac Neo. I know it's super-easy but I had a lot of fun. I didn't like the aesthetic of a lot of other beginner games enough to keep replaying and although I thought Blazing Lasers was awesome I kept getting destroyed by the boss run and never finished it.

So what's the next step up? Is there something with a relatively forgiving health, extend and/or invincibility system like Zanac but somewhat harder? I might give Blazing Lasers another shot but I'm kind of sick of it right now.

Also, I suck at vertical shmups but I'm much worse at horizontal...lol.

Thanks!

>>3389481
>Metal Black
>Rayforce
>easy
I don't think so, also they have too many gimmicks for a novice in the genre.

>>3405415
Batsugun Special
Armed Police Batrider normal course (even easier if you hold start when booting the game)

>>3405464
Awesome, thanks. I will check those out.

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>>3405451

Metal Black's ending is so fucking worth the effort though.

But I guess X-Multiply and Kamui could substitute just fine for those two.

>>3405464
>Armed Police Batrider normal course

Make sure to trigger Envy, because Blunt and Sobutt are boring fights.

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Which Twinkle would you fuck?

>>3405582
>Make sure to trigger Envy
Just saying that isn't going to make him figure how to do it, twat.

>>3405481
When he says start on boot h means boot them then press f2, after that the game will always boot to a menu screen and its that you press start on to boot the game at minimum rank. As for triggering bosses on stage 5 collecting special power up and special option triggers the 2 extra bosses, someone will have to correct me as i can't remember exactly but i think special power/option are achieved by missing 3 icons and collecting the 4th of both type or something like that.

>>3405415
If you like different aesthetics, I would recommend M.U.S.H.A. (japanese folklore with machines) but this game loves to punish players that lose their power-ups, so, it's better to try it later.

Super Fantasy Zone is a inoffensive game for a beginner, I guess? I didn't touch that game for years, but, if I remember well, it wasn't very hard or complex.

>>3405885
>Just saying that isn't going to make him figure how to do it, twat.

That's what Google is for. Or he can trial-and-error it for fun. Not everyone needs to be spoonfed.

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>>3402454
Finally,even with saving it took me 5h on a 1 and a half hour game.
The power up system is broken,when you get to 300 it resets to 0 so you will have to finish the final stages with low power,not that it even matters its not the power its the number of hits they can take.
Also bosses seems fall down quickly if you spam fire like crazy and thats why my hands hurt like hell.

There you go its the ending screen

How come Battle Bakraid gets shit on so much?

>>3401197
GOAT soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoZGn_aHihk

>>3406716
My aniki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xCBtTz7cYI

>>3406726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyZw64LIJKg

I also like how the select ship screen is literally the same melody as NO REMORSE, it's just slower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgmkHNdRRYs

>>3405894
Are you really that much of an unhelpful obtuse autistic cunt? I doubt he gives 2 shits about where the info comes from and would rather just be helpfully informed so he can get back to playing. What a fucking piece of shit you are.

>>3401197
>What does \vr\ think of Ketsui?

Caves finest hour overall, it's my second fave cave game though after guwange blue but that's only through preference for 1 loop games over 2.

>>3406743
I prefer Dangun Feveron as far as Cave's 1-ALL games go. Much better scoring system, a fusion of Toaplan and Cave designs, and the gameplay is greater because you can extensively tweak your ships. Guwange's scoring is garbage and simply kills that game.

>>3407235
>Guwange's scoring is garbage and simply kills that game.
Vanilla maybe but try blue desu, it fixes everything that is annoying about vanilla ie the cat spider final form can no longer be milked for ages and only lasts 3 cycles, completely removes tapping for coins changed to grazing, bombs no longer kill chain and cancel bullets to coins, many boss attacks are cancelable into coins, just an all out more fun game that's completely rebalanced.

>>3406651
i don't know

it's my favorite yagawa game since its the only one that doesn't feel like it's actively cheating against you

>>3405028
>I'm too poor to buy a stick: The rant

>>3407760
Alright, I'll give it a try. Blue works in MAME, right?

Good shmups for retro computers (PC-98, MSX, X68000, etc.)?

>>3408646
For MSX check out Pleasure Hearts and Zanac

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>>3408646
I forgot to post this in the previous post in case you decide to play one of those.
Somebody translated this for me so here you go

>>3408646
Space Manbow.

>>3408646
C H O R E N S H A

Does Guwange Blue work in shumpmame 4.2?

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I managed to reach Stage 6 in Gradius, after being stuck on Stage 3 for an eternity. After I beat Stage 3, Stage 4 was a cakewalk, and I only died on Stage 5 because I didn't know to shoot the arms at first. After I knew that it was easy enough for me to beat it unpowered.

I don't understand why they designed the game so you're straight up fucked if you die ever. What's even the point of having extra lives? I'm not a shmup expert so maybe an actual shmup expert has a justification, but I have a hard time seeing one.

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>>3409000
The first game is one of the more forgiving if you die.

>>3409000
So you can pump more credits into the cab.

>>3409023
Shit.

I've been playing the NES port and not the arcade original the whole time. I deserve to get laughed at don't I?

>>3409047
It plays a lot differently to the arcade. It's pretty much its own game with little basis for comparison.
I'd say it's overall harder to recover after dying in that version but still doable. The middle of stage 3 is one of the absolute worst places to die in the NES port because of the respawn point being basically a deathtrap but it's really easy in the arcade version.

>>3409062
You know, that probably explains why Stage 3 busted my balls so much.

I'm going to finish the NES version just because I'm so far in and then I'll play the arcade version. The arcade version looks a lot more fun in general with the bigger screen-size and increase in bullets.

>>3408951
>Does Guwange Blue work in shumpmame 4.2?
>>3408457
>Blue works in MAME, right?

Yep search for "guwange special rom".

Stay alive sister thread!

>>3412253
I'll give you a bump.

Is your body ready for Special Demonstrations #10, /vr/?

>>3414426
DDP wr by SOF-WTN please

>>3414426
whens it due?

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>get to the end of Stage 7
>doors close without me realizing
>die

That was a fucking cheap move, I had to play the entire game again. I beat it at least, now I can play the arcade version.

>>3408646
Garudius '95 (PC-98)
Ulamander (PC-98, basically a port of Salamander for PC-98 if you want to give that a shot)
Cho Ren Sha (X68k)
Any arcade ports to X68k, like Gradius 2, R-Type 2, etc.
Any of the Gradius/Nemesis MSX games
Salamander (MSX, this version is completely different from the arcade and NES ones)
Space Manbow (MSX)
Any of the Aleste games (MSX)

At least from what I've played

>>3408646
>>3417149
Forgot to mention, if you don't want to emulate or buy a Jaguar, there exists a port of Tempest 2000 for Win95, though it lacks the music of the Jaguar version, so you'll have to supply the soundtrack yourself.
Also, you can find R-Type on Commodore 64 and its sequel on the Amiga. There's a sort of port of Darius on the Amiga which isn't very good, but if you're really into Darius it might be worth a look.

>>3415725
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Psikyo has the best girls.

>>3413071
Time for another one?

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https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=No1wgJBtC-8

Dariusburst CS

>>3421765
friggin Figma is making figures of Darius? god damn.

Are they proper figures or just statues where you can adjust 2 fins?