The simple fact of the matter is that the Playstation was ultimately

>>3256821
lets blame the playstation for capcom sucking?
no, the problem is capcom.

Agreed, except the downard spiral started with 7 on SNES.

we would have been better off if they had followed sony's advise and just made a 3D game

>ignoring 7

>>3256821
you might as well compare them as trilogies considering the platforms:
x1 > x2 > x3
x4 > x5 > x6

each trilogy starts strong on the hardware and then gets worse due to milking and lack of new ideas

X1 > X2 > x4 > X3

You know it's true.

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>>3256821

>Inafune put in charge of the series starting with MM8 and X4
>just so coincidentally is the start of the decline

>>3257026
As cool as 7 was with secrets, it wasn't a great game. 6 was pretty casual too. I think V was mainline's decline point. MM8 was just crap.

>>3256821
>be a big fan of the X games
>learn about 3 games on Playstation
>finally get to play X4
>X and Zero play like the heavy armors from X games
>actual armors are even MORE sluggish
Fuck the new team they put in charge and the autistic fanbase.

>>3256821
X3 was far worse than X4.

To be fair only X was good. Sequels were a mistake.

>>3258462
X4 is better than X, you SNESbabby.

>>3258468
Yeah sure infinite lives and load times sure are great.

>>3256821

>>3256836
This.

>>3258468
Such utter lack of taste.

>>3258513
>infinite lives
Implying you got game overs in X anyway.

>load times
For that epic music? Worth it.

>>3258521
>epic music
Sound like a karaoke midi.

>>3258556
>shitting on midi
wanna know how i know your a moron

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>No 3D? It's shit.
Thanks 5th generation.

>>3257026
Wow, /v/ really well tell themself anything and believe it.

>>3258263
>Fuck the new team they put in charge and the autistic fanbase.

Well I can agree with one of those things at least.

>>3258592
Niggers were right though, games like MGS were pushing the industry forward while baby shit like Megaman was just a slightly more flashy NES game on stereoids.

>>3258831
Had you said Ocarina of Time I would have believed you. MGS was surpassed a mere two months later by Thief.

>>3258868
And six months earlier by Tenchu.

>>3258592
>critics complained the games were the same shit over and over again
>fanboys complain the games were NOT the same shit over and over again

Like pottery.

i loved the snes ones and then i played that one it blew my mind. dont know about later ones tho

>>3256821
Overrated shit.

>>3257646
>>3256821
Can you guys explain why MM8 is bad, or that the series somehow started getting shit at that point? I actually decided to start playing MM from the beginning and have gotten all the way up to mm8 now, and I have to say it's one of the best ones. The multiple weapons actually have a use, outside of their gimmick functions or specific bosses, and the better graphics make the game feel more substantial.
On the other hand, the formula after 4 started getting boring, and up until 7 did absolutely nothing new.

>>3258980
It's bad because it isn't as autismal hard as the earlier games.

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>>3256836
THIS.

They milked it.

What was the reason for both 5 and 6? Both X2 and X3? 7, 8 and &bass, instead of making them more crossplatorm? 1-DOS? 3-DOS?

>>3259003
Well, I can agree with that, but I feel like the difficulty is less bs now which makes it funner while still being a challenge.
Is the autismal difficulty at times really the only reason most people like the original mega mans?

>>3259003
Megaman is not autismal hard though, after playing like 3 hours of a NES castlevania megaman felt pretty easy, they have the right amount of difficult and i think the problem with MM8 is that it's very different from the NES games.

Personally the game is fine, has good music and the graphics are good, and now megaman 9 and 10 exist so i think i appreciate more how different 7 and 8 are.

Also:

7>8

>>3257646
>>3258602

I would say the decline did happen before X4 and 8, but Inafune did not help. I would say that the MAIN reason for the decline of Mega Man was just too many sequels, too fast.

He seems to not like the classic Mega Man games and Mega Man as the hero. Instead he pushed for Zero to take center stage. Zero becomes more prominant in the X series, and he gets two spin off series of his own.

>>3256821
I really hated all the PS1 MMX games. The gamefeel felt so off, I remember being pissed when I got megaman X collection and X3 didn't have the snes version.

>>3259049
X5 was pretty much made to end the series so it isn't that bad but yeah, is pretty baffling how you can feel how the production levels and overall polish went down in all the SNES and PS1 sequels except X4.

>>3258592

>However, the same critics concurred that Mega Man X4's 2D side-scrolling gameplay was tired and overdone well before the game was released.

This is entirely true though. We already had 9 MM games, and 3 X games. X4 was just more of the same really. And it wasn't even that good.

Trying something new would be really interesting. I could imagine a 3rd person 3D MM game working. I'm not sure if they would have gotten it to work though on the PS1. It took them a while to figure out how to make the 3D transition right.

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>This entire goddamn thread

Holy shit is it even possible to have a worse opinion than Nintendo/Capcom manchildren? I would hope not.

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>>3256821
To me Megaman (X) was a victim of the shift in games from gameplay-driven worlds to visual spectacles. That began very much with the Playstation, I must admit even though I'm a huge PS1 fan - had 40+ games.

The graphics in X4 are hideous. They're more finely defined than X1-3 but not beautiful sprites at all. Like a shitty early 3D children's cartoon. The controls felt more sluggish and stiff. X5 is even worse, and that's as far as I've gone.

Anyone have this happen in Megaman 2? Fucking pissed off.

>>3259096
This is my exact experience. 2.5 D games in general look and play like ass.

>>3259095
Great input there. You sure do have a way with words /v/-kun

I think both Metroid and Megaman should have ended after their third game.
MegaMan 1, 2, 3 And Metroid 1, 2, Super would be regarded as great trilogies.
and they had good endings, in Megaman 3 you discover Protoman is your brother and in Super Metroid the Baby Metroid, Mother Brain, Ridley die.

it was a perfect ending (I dont hate the Prime games btw, those are a good trilogy too)

Are Mega Man Legends, Legends 2 and Tron Bonne related in their story? never played them.

>>3259096
also

>>3257002
>>3258452
Same person? Or two crazy?
X3 was just as good as X1 and X2. It kept the same tight gameplay, but put in a lot of collectable upgrades. X4 just feels so awkward and stiff. It's not even fun with Zero! What the fuck?!

And so much bullshit! Cutscenes?! And those text conversations just got worse through each game. Like it's necessary to be intimately familiar with the story to give the slightest shit about what they're saying.

Nah. X4 was really bad.

Agreed. The PXlXaXyXsXtXaXtXiXoXnX had a habit of killing franchises.

>>3258462
That's basically saying "That was great. They should not make any more of it."

>>3259096
The graphics in X4 look dated because the big enemies and a lot of layout are pixel art, in X5 and 6 they went for a pre rendered look and that looks smoother but it looks really bland in motion, i think X6 looks better than X4 and 5 most of the time though.

So yeah the PS1 games were more a product of their time, the SNES games look is so simple they still look fine today.

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>it's another "Megamanbabies argue which game is the best while shitting on the rest" episode

All that's missing is the MMZ wanking.

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>>3256990
>X2
>worse than X1

>>3259152
The important thing is you showed us your superior to all sides

>>3259132
>the PS1 games were more a product of their time, the SNES games look is so simple they still look fine today.
agreed.

I know I was delighted as a child that the PS1 games had prerendered cutscenes like Medevil or Final Fantasy. But it's such a shame that MegamanX seems to me to have been lost to a baffling misunderstanding as to what made it good, while trying to sell it on its image/visuals (I suppose. It's so hideous I dunno)

>>3259153
Yeah like I agree with you.
X2 > X3 > X1 > whatever
for me.

>>3259126

X3 is forgettable as hell. Even shitty X games like 5, 6 and 7 are more memorable

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>>3259179
Well I just don't understand that at all as a criticism.
It's vastly more fun to play than X4 and that's all that matters. It's got those four robot suits, and it ends with the sigma in the suit with the tiny head at the end. So that's pretty memorable.

If Zero was a fully playable character in X3, it would be *undeniably* better than X4. IMHO

The only thing I remember about X5 was being so disappointed at the mission setting of the levels. And the cutesy characters popping up and telling you what to do. And jesus christ, those voices in the X4+ games. You should be embarrassed to play those games.

I have the same problem with MM7 and Rockman & Forte. Which is a shame, cos I know they're good games.

>>3259219
rockman and forte isn't very good desu. worse than 7 at least, probably worse than 8 too, but better than X5 and 6 at least. The level design just ins't very good and it wasn't developed by capcom I believe. I only played the GBA port though.

>>3259219
I don't remember any voices in X5, if somebody hacked the obligatory text and made pressing start to skip the cutscenes an option it wouldn't be that bad, at least all the stages aren't a gimmick like in X8.

X6 was the only X game on Playstation that was fun.

>>3259243
>worse than 7 at least,
Jesus that really is terrible.

>>3259276
If it was actually polished it's very likely that it would be one of the most fun megaman games ever.

>>3259243
>I only played the GBA port though.

Found your problem, the game is also desinged around Bass gameplay so you have to be careful to not pick megaman or you will not have fun.

>>3259302
Pretty much.
In having to rush the game the fuck out, they ended up making fucking crazy, nonsensical, CHALLENGING levels. Locking near-necessary upgrades behind the reploid rescues was stupid, and Blaze Heatnix is fucking shit, but most of the game is great in spite of the jank.

I'd prefer a polished version, but having a few different save files (Post-Heatnix, Gate 1 with 100% Reploids rescued, etc) allows you to play as you see fit.

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>>3259243
>Mega Man 2 is fucking awful, don't play it.
>btw I played a version where 35% of the screen was missing, I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

>>3258468
This.

X4 > All.
Fuck the Nintendrofags.

>>3259324
the screen size isn't a major issue, it's not like the GB megamans or a handheld sonic game. The level design itself just isn't very interesting.

>>3259070
What two spin offs did Zero have? ZX isn't about Zero, and is only arguably related to the aftermath of the end of the Zero series.

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I personally like X4 a lot just because of zero's mobility and sword slashing adds a coolness to the game's movement. I wish they experimented with ditching boss weapon = weakness and went with more boss weapon = new layer of depth to the character. Sure it's a bit castlevaniay but idk MM was just too entrenched in keeping the wrong things and changing the good things.

I enjoy X6 and replay it every couple months

>>3256821
>Even the classic series went to hell with 8, only for it to return to form with R&F back on the SNES
>M&B
>Good

Hahaha you are not funny

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>>3259093
>I could imagine a 3rd person 3D MM game working. I'm not sure if they would have gotten it to work though on the PS1.

But they did, anon.

>>3256821
Really? I thought both were pretty decent and memorable games. I still like them both quite a bit. X5 is also pretty good but the in game texts are annoying as hell. I also like Mega Man Zero, but it all went to shit once X6 came out

>>3259168
It's not hard to be. You just have to not cling to a long dead franchise for the sake of arguing which game is worse.

>>3256821
mega man started going to shit after 3.

>>3261480
What is with the recent trend of people shitting on this? I mean sure the tank controls aren't the best, but the game is still good overrall.

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>>3263172
The biggest authority on shitty games that suck ass said it's not that good in his Mega Man episode, so now everybody has to ride his dick

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>>3263172
>>3263238

Legends was always shitted on by some people, if you think it was always universally praised before an AVGN video released some months ago, you are the underage.

I love Legends, but most of the fanbase of classic MM and MMX hated it back in the day.

>>3258592
3d games have better gameplay than 2d games, generally.

You're right that there has never been a good 3d Megaman game, but there has also never been a good 2d Megaman game.

The transition from Mega Man 1-6 to 7, and then 8, R&F...
And the transition from Mega Man X 1-3 to 4-6...

While both turning out rather ok (they were all good games, just some better than others), they clearly sacrificed the speed and feel of the original entries to fit the new animations instead of the other way around. Mega Man 8 and R&F, while fun games, move at a slug's pace compared to the original games. They compensate it by making every enemy be slower too, but FUCK.
It happens to X4 onwards too, but to a slightly less disturbing level.

As I said, that doesn't make them bad games. Just different.
And to my taste, I really wish they kept the action, speed and feel intact and made the animations a second priority.

mega man 2,3, x, rockman and forte, 9 is all the megaman you need

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>Mega Man and Bass
>Return to form

MM&B should've just been a Bass spin-off game, who wants to play as that loser Rock?

>>3259126
>X3 was just as good as X1 and X2
Just no.
>but put in a lot of collectable upgrades
Shitty upgrades.
>X4 just feels so awkward and stiff. It's not even fun with Zero! What the fuck?!
Zero fanboys.

>>3263172
It was innovative for its time but is nowhere near the best of the series like the rabid fanbase claims it is. Command Mission is worse though. Fuck that game and all the hipster faggots that constantly circlejerk over it.

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>>3264075
Command Mission was an awesome game.
>dat scarf

>>3264294

>command mission was an awesome scarf

Ftfy

>>3264075
Hey, Command Mission was pretty good for an RPG. It was also pretty challenging. The OC's donut steel were the worst part really. The voice acting is miles better compared to X4.

>bawww

X4 is as good as X1. X5 was irredeemable shit and X6 is extremely underrated.

>>3259316
>>3259302
>>3259276

X6 has what's in my opinion the most solid underlying game mechanics. It's blazing fast and furious, you can interrupt your own moves as if it was a fighting game, it feels like the Super Turbo of MMX.

If any X game deservers a hack to make some levels that really push the platforming to the limit instead of just spamming enemies, I think it would be an incredible game.

Also, get rid of the nightmare effects, or at least change them. Make it so reploids don't die permanently and so you can get the ultimate armor and black zero without cheating via increased difficulty (aka fix the zero bug).

>save game with reploids, armors, and zero

Are you me? I have shitloads of fun playing X6 that way.

>>3265251
>X4 is as good as X1

No

>>3265328
You're right.

X4 is BETTER than X1.

>>3265334
Yeah I love both games but I tend to play X4 a lot more now that I think about it.

>>3265334
>X4 is BETTER than X1

No

>>3265348
>X1
>can't start with dash
>can't play as Zero

It fails.

>>3256821
I'd rather play X4 than X3
>>3257002
This guy's got the right idea

>>3263261
>3d games have better gameplay than 2d games, generally.
triggered.

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All that matters is that everyone can agree that X6 is the absolute bottom of the barrel for the franchise.

Apart from having the world's tightest soundtrack.

>>3256821
>you can't deny that it was a sharp decline from the SNES trilogy
I can and will deny that. X4 and X5 were worlds above X3 on every level and the only reason X6 is worse than X3 is because it's actively unfair half of the time - when it's not, it's an infinitely more fun game than Boring Maverick Patterns, Shitty Weapons, and Harmful Buster Upgrade: The Game. Fuck X3.

Elder God Tier:
X4

High Tier:
X1

Mid Tier:
X2
X5
X3

Low Tier:
X6
X8

Shit Tier:
X7

>>3266809
Wow, the first tier list I can actually agree with.

>>3266809
Nicely done, agreed 100%.

My favorite "modern" Mega Man game is MM9, which is kinda sad when you think about it.

>>3258868
>>3258875
in exactly what context

X series:
X>X2=X3=X4=X5=X6=X7=X8

in all respects they are mediocre and basically borderline interesting and playable. X is the best because it has the lowest reliance on gimmicks and strongest core gameplay. X7 is a bastard child, but in my mind it's a series for bastard children in the first place.

In terms of Megaman games, 8 is hardly worse than 7, and 4-6 are totally forgettable and meaningless. 2 is the best, 1 is better than 3, and 3 is the last one where they gave a shit. Megaman and Bass is hard to rank because they mostly remade MM7 and MM8 to make them less shitty.

Megaman Zero is a solid series and I have trouble ranking any of them when I replay, they all have ups and downs.

I liked the soccer ball, but I'm not sure why sometimes.

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>>3267224
X2=X3=X4=X5=X6=X7=X8