Bought this but can't get a display on my HDTV's, it

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>>2774028
Forgot to mention that it's the VGA cable for the Dreamcast, also this is what my monitor shows:

Modern HDTV doesn't even have VGA anymore.

Probably not liking the 720x480 signal.

>>2774034
The one's at my house does.

>>2774045
It's not modern then.

And another thing is I hope your pic isn't the cable you're using. That's just composite.

>>2774053
No it's not, Idiot. See that fucking VGA plug?

Anyway, OP if your HDTV doesn't have a VGA input there's a high chance it won't like VGA style 16:9 resolutions. I have an old touchscreen monitor from a POS that I intended to mount by the couch and use as a remote control/secondary display for my MCPC but it and my HDTV do not share any resolutions. None.

>>2774060
>No it's not, Idiot. See that fucking VGA plug?
Listen kid. Go take your angst back to /v/.

It's composite with a DSub 15 connector.

The dreamcast needs its VGA box. It doesn't just output 31khz. It does 15khz without it.

>>2774071
You can put it in a box if you want to but it doesn't need to be in one, especially if you only want it to do VGA

>>2774076
So the cable is just VGA?

This might just be the dumbest video game accessory I've seen in years.

People buy this shit?

>>2774095
>>2774071
are you the same troll with poor reading comprehension trolling up the CRT threads?

>>2774096
What is this cross thread shitposting?

Being locked to VGA cuts out a lot of the DC's library.

>>2774097
>locked to vga
Just switch the fucking cable out. fucking lazy shitposter

>>2774108
Or you can just get a proper vga box and be set. Pretty much need to anyway if you want rgb.

>>2774112
$60+USD later....

>>2774120
Retro games cost money. Wow!

>>2774125
>>2774112
>>2774108
>>2774097
OP here, I actually burned my games to use VGA, only 2 of the 50 don't work with VGA.

>>2774071
Anon, you're worse than ISIS. Go die in a fire.

>>2774028
Manufacturers and model numbers of your TVs, OP. Ignore the "composite cable" talk.

>>2774168
Sony KDL-40EX400
And a Target (don't know which one but it's got a VGA output)

>>2774173
It probably is having trouble with the 720x480 signal, as it's probably expecting 640x480 through the VGA port (which shouldn't matter, but TVs are designed to be stupid to avoid support calls and returns).

The stupid thing is that the TV, 99% guaranteed, supports 720x480p over component since that's a very common DVD player resolution. The DC would work if you stuck a simple (but typically expensive) transcoder between the VGA cable and a component input on that Sony.

>>2774071
the dreamcast dos not need a vga box to output vga; it needs a resistor to enable vga signal output. in recent years chinks have finally started selling a cheap vga cable for dreamcast and that's one of them.

>>2774095
ok, you're a fucking twat. please kill yourself.

>>2774108
around 90% of dreamcast title support vga and several others have iso patches to enable it too.

>>2774112
$15 vs $60-100, right. besides which, most vga boxes are generic pieces of shit, that stop working anyway.

>>2774228
VGA boxes are no less reliable than anything else, there's nothing complicated about them. I'd rather have one than a cable for the output switching ability personally.

>>2774228
>...vga; it needs a resistor to enable vga signal output
>>2774269
>VGA boxes are no less reliable than anything else, there's nothing complicated about them. I'd rather have one than a cable for the output switching ability personally.

That's like saying you'd prefer two toasters, one for each side of the bread. Why not combine them into one functional unit?

>>2774028
If you've tried it on all your TV and it doesn't work then your TV's don't support it. Dig an older one out of a dumpster. You might have better luck.

>>2774045
Confirmed. The one at his moms house does.

>>2774071
Oh God. Not going to even comment on all the kidsplaining you followed up with. Just going to savor this particular instance of ignorance and stupidity.

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What does the switch do?

>>2774053
I bought a sharp LCD TV 6 months ago and it has VGA.
Sharp continues to use VGA on a slew of their lcds

>>2774218
why is it outputting 720x480 to begin with? my DC VGA box outputs 640x480 just fine and there's no quality issues, so why?

I didn't read the entire thread...or most of it...
Can you adjust the resolution of your monitor?

>>2774269
>VGA boxes are no less reliable than anything else
Incorrect. There are more parts to fail, thus they have a higher failure point. And it is well known, that most aftermarket vga boxes do in fact 'go bad'. It's a pretty common issue.

>>2775351
OP here, I plugged it in one of my monitors again and now it gives a resolution of 640 x 480. No luck on HDTV's though.

>>2774364
>Why not combine them into one functional unit?
I think you misunderstood the post you're replying to.

>>2774958
The switch part of a VGA box allows you to use either VGA or regular AV jacks (S-video/composite) without disconnecting anything from your Dreamcast.

>>2775351
Apparently DC outputs 720x480 instead of 640x480 for some reason. On a CRT monitor it shouldn't matter too much since you can just adjust the geometry manually but it could conceivably cause problems on TVs.

>>2775483
Nonsense but ok bro. I don't know why anyone other than someone selling those VGA cables would want to scare people away from full-featured VGA boxes but whatever.

>>2775634
At what point is that readout showing 640x480 or 720x480? The boot screen or in-game? Different sources have the DC outputting either one, but nobody specifies when they're seeing it. I'm wondering if it switches between the two.

My DC and VGA boxes have been packed up for a few weeks or I'd check myself to help out.

>>2775642
Both, for some reason it just displayed 640 x 480 while last week it was 720 x 480 everytime I plugged it in.

>>2775636
>Apparently DC outputs 720x480
that's weird as hell

>>2775719
weird as a PC resolution, but it's a very common resolution for DVDs

>>2775745
except it's explicitly stated to be VGA (which is 640x480p60 according to Wikishit). So either OP's monitor is funky or the cable is wack.

>>2775776
Yeah, as an offhand name for a specific resolution, VGA refers to 640x480, but it's also a generic term for RGB as used on computers.

Something as simple as a cable wouldn't be able to force weird resolution detection. It's either the DC is sending something weird, or the TVs don't recognize it for whatever reason, or both. A TV with VGA input that can't do 640x480p60 seems really odd, so if the DC is sending 720x480 then at least that might explain what's going on. The fact that the OP's monitors work ok but the TVs aren't, and that the detected resolution before was 720x480, seems to make sense. Now that the monitors are showing 640x480 and the TVs still don't work, that is weird.

>>2775887
>>2775776
>>2775745
>>2775719
>>2775636
It's a SMTPE standard.

>>2775918
Doesn't matter if the TV is programmed to ignore anything but specific PC resolutions through the VGA input. TVs are dumb appliances compared to PC monitors.

>>2775931
Most TVs just see it as 640x480 and squish it.

>>2775939
On component or on a monitor, sure. On the VGA port of a TV, manufacturers are free to do stupid, stupid things to avoid support calls and returns.

>>2775985
OP here, so if I'd use a VGA to component cable would I get a picture?

>>2776471
Not a VGA to component cable, but if you use a VGA to component transcoder box that it would work. One of those $100 ones that doesn't do anything to the picture other than switch from RGB to YPbPr (no image resizing, no moving the picture around, no filters, no remote control, etc). And the quality would be perfect with no lag as if there were no box in there at all.

This is one example of a good one:
https://www.audioauthority.com/product_details/9A60A

That's what I personally did to get my Dreamcast doing 480p on an HDTV in the past. For some reason the image was shifted to one side by about an inch, but I was able to adjust it on my TV.

Anyway, before you do all that, are you sure the VGA inputs on your TVs work? Can you plug a PC into them and try different resolutions to test them? You could even try both 640x480 and 720x480 from a PC to confirm whether that's actually the problem.

>>2776506
>that it would work
*that should work

>>2776506
Yes, I plugged in my laptop and it worked, didn't try 720 x 480 though.

>>2776506
>$100 transcoder
what third world currency is that?

>>2777274
Please post a link to a different one with price. I don't mind being proven wrong if I can learn something.

>>2777612
https://www.google.com/
You'll find plenty for less than half that.
They can also be made with less than $5 in parts by anyone with the most basic of electronics skills. Plans are also available at the above link.

>>2777708
Those plans prove how simple they are to make, but only 3-4 companies have ever made good ones.

Good job making yours for $5, well done. I might be arrogant too if I'd done that. Maybe a little less.

>>2774071
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>2774097
It's literally like 48 games out of a 600 game library.

>>2774120
Seriously man it's really worth it. I have a Toro and it's probably the only Dreamcast box I'll ever need. Build quality and output are on point.

>>2777717
If I was looking at paying $100 for a transcoder and found out I could make one for 5 bucks if I knew how to solder I might be buttmad to.

I don't know how many companies make good ones I'm not about to buy something that's going to cost me more to ship than make myself. I do know that if you use parts that can't handle the bandwidth it won't work well. Given that the parts cost cents and the cheapest of these things I've seen was around $15 I don't see why you'd skimp. But I guess some people would get a cheaper battery for their moms pacemaker if they could save a buck so yeah, I'm sure there's stuff out there that's shit.

>>2778184
>and the cheapest of these things I've seen was around $15
That's not any model using the straightforward transcoder plan we're talking about. That's a monoprice/radio shack/hong kong thingamalol.

If you buy one and you're happy with it, I guess that's all that matters so good luck.

>>2775636
>Nonsense but ok bro.
You're aware there exists trash like taiwanese capacitors and lead free solder in this world, right? a number of third party vga boxes do in fact go bad and unless you've got an official vga box, you may as well buy a chink cable.

>>2775719
>>Apparently DC outputs 720x480
>that's weird as hell
No, no it's not. Japanese NTSC uses 720x480.

>>2778439
>>You're aware there exists trash like taiwanese capacitors and lead free solder in this world, right?
>Where is the evidence that this is a real, prevalent problem on VGA boxes moreso than anything else?
Do your own research, faggot.

>>2778439
>>Japanese NTSC uses 720x480.
>Do you just make shit up to argue about it online or what?
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=720x480 Oh look at that, aren't you stupid. 720x480 is in fact a commonly used resolution, in Japan.

>There be trolls ITT, kek.
Yeah, you.

>>2778560
>weebfag DVD rips
It's already been noted that it's a common DVD resolution. Non-Japanese anamorphic DVDs are commonly found using this resolution as well. "Japanese NTSC" has nothing to do with this.

"Best guess know-it-alls" are the worst kind. Authoritative and clueless at the same time.

I thought the troll raid was over.

>>2778205
What transcoder plan does it use then? I'm kind of amazed that someone who didn't know they exist or even how to solder had taken them apart and studied how they work.

>>2779173
The same sample-and-hold design that those crappy models use, that's why I mentioned them.

>>2779173
>>2779370

If you fuckers are done with your silly slap fight, I'm genuinely interested in hearing you out. Would love to build my own transcoder. I'm tight on cash.

>>2779370
Thanks for clearing that up. For a moment I was afraid you might have a clue what you're talking about.

>>2780073
Component is just RGB with the color and sync signals encoded onto 3 wires. Even accounting for the variants of sync and image adjustment a circuit that can transcode any retro console form of RGB/VGA is easy and cheap to make.
If you have the skills to do this, and it doesn't take much, you can easily find plans and build one.

>>2780118
>Component is just RGB with the color and sync signals encoded onto 3 wires.
kek

>>2780073
Sorry, but I now believe that it would be more fun to let this guy keep going. Pulling out. Good luck.

>>2780118
But Component allows for higher resolutions than 640 x 480, it isn't exactly "just RGB".

>>2780172
RGB scales way over that too. Ever heard about PC CRT monitors?

(Besides 480i != 640x480 so you're wrong on two accounts)

>>2780175
>RGB scales way over that too. Ever heard about PC CRT monitors?
I was thinking about 240p, my mistake.

>Besides 480i != 640x480
I didn't imply 480i that's why I just posted the resolution.

>>2780172
RGB is just a way of putting colors on different wires. It's not limited to 640 x 480. Component is exactly just RGB with H/V sync all encoded on 3 wires. Look it up if you don't believe me.

>>2780567
>Component is exactly just RGB with H/V sync all encoded on 3 wires.

Not exactly. It's a common misconception since the cables are color-coded red green and blue, but the signal put thru them is considerably different. One cable for brightness and sync, and color data split across the other 2.

This kind anon in one of the CRT threads explained it at length:

>>2760771

>>2780642
Kids. Always projecting.

OP here again, so it looks like a transcoder is my only option. So what is the cheapest?

>>2780990
From the comments here it looks like going with the cheapest option could be a bad idea.

>>2782693
Well it's not like I have a lot of other options. Besides as long as it's cheaper than a VGA box, I'm willing to try.

>>2780868
4chan. Always projecting projection.

>>2780118
>Component is just RGB with the color and sync signals encoded onto 3 wires.
Fuck, I've read enough stupidity on this board for today. I'm out. Also, it shows you're eating shit for breakfast, you're regurgitating it all over the place.

>>2780990
Emuate on your pc

>>2784840
I'll emulate your mother.

I just don't get it, what makes the VGA box work without any problem but a simple VGA cable don't?

>>2784834
Why so mad kiddo? Why don't you just learn how things you care about work? Then you won't have to get mad when you find out you don't know.

>>2785489
The box has extra hardwares to make it more gooder.

>>2784865
emulate conception