*breathes in* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

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>>33540205

Sounds like /vp/

>>33540205
GameFreak doesn't consider Ultra Beasts to be Pokemon

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>>33540226
Literally this, and the most used argument against 6.5fags back when that was a thing
>mfw Gen 7.5, with potentially more Alola forms and Mythicals

>>33540205
/vp/ BTFO

Wow it's almost like this board said the exact same thing when faggots were calling Gen 7 "Gen 6.5", or that it was true until just today.

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>>33540233
>it is unclear whether or not this pokemon is sentient
>this pokemon
>pokemon

>>33540233
/thread
UBs and Alolan formes are ways to tack on Pokemon besides forme changing and since Megas got such a kneejerk reaction

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>>33540233
>One of the Ultra Beasts. It's unclear whether or not this Pokémon is sentient, but sometimes it can be observed behaving like a young girl.

>>33540253
>new dex slot
>officially referred to as Pokemon
>not Pokemon
Quit moving your goalposts

>>33540233
It literally called them new Pokémon in the direct

>>33540233
>The direct video literally said "New Pokemon" before showing the new Ultra Beasts

Is GameFreak determined to murder every single pattern? When will their bloodlust be satisfied?

>>33540251
>behaving like a young girl
>122 pounds
more like a fat girl.

>>33540251
Pokedex references Earth, Indian elephants, and says nonsense like Magcargo being hotter than the Sun, it's nothing to go by at all.

>>33540251
>Parasite Pokemon
>>>pokemon

>>33540255
>Nihilego is an ultrabeast, a pokemon, and a little girl at the same time

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>>33540233
>this shit again

>>33540205
>tfw Gen 7.5 is a thing

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>>33540243
>>33540249

>>33540205
A New generation includes
- New Pokemon
- New Set of starters
- New Region
- New Cast
- Updated visuals
- New Mechanics
- New Moves
etc.

One of these things mid gen a new gen does not make.

>>33540273
>Magcargo being hotter than the Sun

That just means the poke universe is in the shell of a magcargo.

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>>33540321

>>33540249
Hi Joe

>>33540205
I don't think I've ever lost so much respect for a person in one day... every time I see him posted here it's just gets worse

>>33540337
This.

>>33540233
>Ultra Beasts have types
>have an abiltity
>can learn moves by level
>can learn moves by TMs
>have stats like regular pokemon
>you can caught them
>they got register in the fucking pokedex
>they are not considered as pokemon
Fuck you.

>>33540522
Gen6.5fag spotted

>>33540883
new pokemon = new gen fag spotted

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Can then, we call this a "Gen 7.5" of sorts?

>>33540522
>respecting this piece of shit
Kys

>>33541000
no this is gen 6.75 retard

For me, what makes or breaks whether it's a new gen or not is whether the Pokedex is completely redesigned or just updated.

>>33541056
[spoiller]too late trips confirmed[/spoiler]

>>33540205
We are still in Gen 7, anything introduced during this gen is still gen 7.

>>33540800
>it's not my wallet.

>>33541139
How will you know when it's Gen 8?

>>33541164
New Starters + New Region = New Gen

Until this pattern is broken I'll stick with it

>>33541164
When they announce new games and call it the next generation, with new starters and new characters and new locations.

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>>33540205
Serebii BTFO for the second time this gen. Fucking moron

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>>33540205
New Pokemon = New Generation
Until the very first time that they don't come packed with a new region apparently.

Sounds like he knew if he stuck by his own rules, his website would lose its credibility because as if the rest of the fanbase would call USUM gen 8

>>33541172
>muh starters

>>33540337
ORAS Added Dragon Ascent.

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>>33540205
>Pokemon will never be announced at E3!
>third versions are dead!
>Pokemon will never be on a home console!
>new Pokemon means new generation!
Holy shit so many obnoxious patternfags destroyed this year, I love it

Compatibility Break = New Generation
It's easy for GF to add 100 new Pokémon, 100 new moves, and 30 new abilities when they don't have to worry about trading with existing games.

>>33541353
Greentext all you want, facts are facts :^)

>>33541395
This raises a good question: will there be an update for SM to be compatible with the new UBs?

>>33540271
Hopefully the "Battle Frontier is dead because Masuda said that once in an interview 3 years ago" pattern is next

>>33541294
Ugh. I like his website but I hate him so much.

>>33541400
Knowing Game Freak, no even though today's Direct showed that Level-5 is perfectly capable of it

>>33540251
Considering you just caught it and are cataloging it for the first time its probably you, Aether, or the people Looker work for who chose to categorize it as a pokemon after the info they received.

Technically they are just pokemon from an alternate dimension, probably.

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>>33540205
Why the fuck are you faggots so obsessed with him? Grow the fuck up, he's allowed to be wrong or have shit opinions.

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>Be underwhelmed from the new info
>Joe goes on a bitch fit

And this guys whole is argument is "DUDE IT'S POKEMON".

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>>33541442
>The Tower
>The Fool
>canon mindbreak
>underwhelming
how high are your expectations, holy shit

>>33541440
>he's allowed to be wrong

and yet joe dick suckers never admit otherwise

>>33541454
>The Tower and The Fool
So now that the sins theory is dead, are we moving to arcana? what are the current ones supposed to represent?

>>33541416
why do you like his website? Use him for news only, otherwise PokemonDB is the much better site

>>33541235
serebii apologized after the mallow trailer and said it was real, when this tweet was posted there was no proof that its real

>>33541462
Which has nothing to do with Joe himself, it just means some people don't agree with you or happen to believe shit that might be incorrect.

You might as well admit these threads are less about him than about preemptively shitting on any random faggots who might believe him on too much stuff.

>>33541483
>You might as well admit these threads are less about him than about preemptively shitting on any random faggots who might believe him on too much stuff.

It's about both.

>>33541398
So if a game had a new region, new mechanics, 150 new Pokemon, but reused some of the older starters instead of having new ones, it wouldn't be a new gen?

Don't be a retard

>>33541470
Necrozma: Death
Lunala: The Moon
Solgaleo: The Sun
Celesteela: The Empress
Guzzlord: The Emperor
Buzzwole: Strength
Kartana: The Chariot
Xurkitree: Shadow Hermit
Dawn Wings Necrozma: Reverse Moon
Dusk Mane Necrozma: Reverse Sun
100% Zygarde: The World
that's all I can think of, and I remember it coming up in a different thread, think it is dead now

>>33541559
>>33541454
that actually sounds believable.

>>33541600
I always felt that necrozma was intended to represent death because of "necro", and having the necrozma forms being basically inversions of what it fused with reinforced that for me

>>33541387
You got 1 out of 7.
Nice try.
>>33541440
Why would people give a shit about the webmaster of the most viewed pokemon website? That's a real big mystery we need to solve.

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He trying to save face

>>33541641
I don't give a shit about him and yet I go there all the time. Only a sprinkling of autists on sites like this give two flying fucks about him and all his opinions and analysis.

He's 31 already. Just retire, do kids and get merried. We don't need a 40 years old grandfather to tell us what to do.

>>33541656
Or he's explaining the situation?

Unless you're saying he should have predicted Ultra Beasts coming years ago?

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>>33541687
>do kids

>>33541705
>Unless you're saying he should have predicted Ultra Beasts coming years ago?

or he could have just been an idiot trying to pretend that new pokemon = new generation was some kind of rule even though it wasn't?

>>33540273
>;_; why doesn't the pokedex support my head canon
Have you ever considered that Pokemon lore is simply retarded?

>>33540272
It's made of glass. Don't be mean.

>>33541522
Gen 1: New Starters
Gen 2: New Starters
Gen 3: New Starters
Gen 4: New Starters
Gen 5: New Starters
Gen 6: New Starters
Gen 7: New Starters

Now while I'm all for breaking patterns, it's very unlikely a new generation will start with old starters.

I can't help my disability anon.

>>33541641
>One of these things mid gen a new gen does not make.
Seems like I misread that last bit.

>>33541721
I think you're trying very hard to trash him

>>33541748
Gen 1: Gyms
Gen 2: Gyms
Gen 3: Gyms
Gen 4: Gyms
Gen 5: Gyms
Gen 6: Gyms
Gen 7: Gy-oh wait

stop being a retarded patternfag

>>33541754
I think you're trying very hard to suck his cock

>>33541932
Gen 1: 3rd version
Gen 2: 3rd version
Gen 3: 3rd version
Gen 4: 3rd version
Gen 5: 3-

>>33541687
>We don't need a 40 years old grandfather to tell us what to do.
Isn't that the beginning of Gen I's story?

>>33541948
Is supplementary version a better term for third versions when you consider Blue, Yellow and B2W2? If it is, Gen VI is the only gen without them.

>>33541440
We give Bulbapedia and Smogon shit 24/7, why not Serebii?

>>33541932
Aren't you also a patternfag if you list games by generations?

Just because GameFreak can decide to start a Generation with a remake using old starters, or using old starters in a new set of games, doesn't mean there's not currently a pattern of new starters going on.

>>33540226

just ignore this thread, autist's trying to have fun, never noticing they said the same shit all over

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Joe keeps getting btfo it's not fair lads, time to stop using serebii once and for all

>>33541000
Cheked

>>33542185
I was a gen 6.5fag until the first SM trailer so it's great to finally see some justice

>>33541559
DUDE !!! ZA WARUDO !!! XD

>>33542167
Bulbapedia and Smogon deserves to get shat on, that's the important difference.

>>33540251
>Believing English PokéDex entries

KEK

>>33541294
>Believe one thing because it has always been shown to be the case
>Stop believing the thing when it is shown to no longer be the case
I don't see the problem here?>>33541235
I like how the guy asks him to prove the starters fake and he just goes "of course they're fake" as if this is proof enough that "serebii said they're fake so they're fake!"

I generally agree with his logic on most things but I also agree he can be a little insufferable.

>>33541440
People point to him as the end all be all. When he defines something idiots quote him as if we're supposed to listen.

Mocking that idea every single time he fucks up is therefore required to maybe get through to such morons.

>>33543289
>l-look guys, i-i can make fun of something popular!
Fuck off

>>33543477
There's nothing wrong with that. Like stereotypes, it's often right.

The problem is >>33543678.

People like this are probably the reason he seems to consider himself god laying down the supposed good word in his own head.

>>33540522
It took you this long to lose respect for Joe? The guy's been fucking insufferable for years now, especially on Twitter. Nonstop Nintendo/GF dicksucking and being a condescending little shit to anyone who disagrees with him.

I love seeing him proven wrong, like in the Alola starter debacle. The dude probably cuts his wrists afterwards.

>>33541440
>he's allowed to be wrong or have shit opinions

He shouldn't act like he's the absolute authority on the franchise then.

>>33543735
You were proven wrong in that exact same "debacle". Did you cut your wrists too?

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>>33541294
Ultimate Ass Blast into ultra space!!

Muh patterns

Forty five thousand keks

>>33540205
HOW WILL HE EVER RECOVER

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>>33541393
Kek!

>>33541656
Wasn't Black/White 2 the first to introduce new moves?

>>33543879
While you couldn't use them, the new moves did exist in BW's code. Precipice Blades, Origin Pulse, and Dragon Ascent do not exist in XY, even inside the code.

>>33543879
FRLG did, with the typical Hyper Beam for Kanto starters. Emerald got Volt Tackle too.

>>33543895
The elemental beams and Volt Tackle are in the same situation as >>33543890 iirc

>>33543900
Ah, right.

>>33543748
No idea what you're talking about.

>>33541687
>do kids

>>33543916
That you "knew" they were fake as well.

>>33540273
Oh, then what exactly is a good substitute? Fucking retard

>>33543933
I'm guessing this is one of those "lol, someone criticized Joe on /vp/? Must be the owner of a competitor site" posts and I'm being taken for a ride because what you're saying makes no sense.

I avoided leaks and spoilers for the game as much as I possibly could and only found out that the starters were leaked months in advance and Joe's "of course they're fake" comment later on because /vp/ posts screencaps of it to mock him all the time. Which is hilarious btw.

>>33544028
What's wrong with that type of post? Only Pomf could possibly think of attacking Joe.

>>33540253

By and large, I consider Ultra beasts and pokemon to be similar (to an extent) but separate catagories.

that said, given the way they function in game, this clearly isn't a view shared by the creators.

aesthetically, and design-wise? way different. functionally? the same.

it's new pokemon (even if it hurts to use those words)

>>33544028
No, it's one of those "pretty much everyone thought the same apart from a few screeching contrarians, most of which were just doing it to shitpost" things. It's an anonymous imageboard, everyone can sit there claiming they "knew" this and that all along and shit on non-anonymous people that made logical statements.

Why does /vp/ always shit on this guy whenver he makes an assumption that 99% of this board made anyway? Can't you just admit that nobody saw this coming and move on?

>>33544081
It's pretty obviously the same tiny handful of turbospergs over and over, not /vp/ as a whole.

>>33544081
Read the fucking thread

1. The guy is an insufferable asshole sometimes

2. He thinks he's the fucking authority on the series because he runs a crappy website that happens to have been around a long time

3. Is literally the definition of a corporate shill. Pretty sure Nintendo pays him a corporate stipend every month because there's no way he survives on Serebii.net alone.

Joe *deserves* more scrutiny than the average person. When he humbles up a little bit then people will be in the wrong for bashing him. Right now, they aren't.

>>33544081
Because, as >>33544067 says, when you're anonymous, nobody can look at your post history and see what you actually said about something, so it's easy to just lie and say you obviously got it correct. This is common on boards with lots of underage.

>>33544128
Pomf pls.

>>33544141
This. Mocking people that were super insistent on something they ended up being wrong about is one thing. Making anonymous posts where you present yourself as someone that "knew better" with literally zero proof you actually did just makes you a faggot. You're anonymous, the entire POINT is that your previous statements are irrelevant to your current ones.

>>33540205
Good thing Ultra Beasts are not Pokemon.

They're... Ultra Beasts.

>>33544241
It's like I'm really reading a post from 2016

>>33543289
doubt you'd give a shit either way, but might as well put this out for those that do. there is a reason why I went with complete zygarde for The World, had the major arcana been a theory before we had UBs that looked like a literal tower and a jester, a single zygarde cell would have been The Fool. zygarde complete would be the same zygarde cell after uniting with the others and reaching self realization, which is why 100% zygarde represents XXI: The World here

>>33544081
>Can't you just admit that nobody saw this coming

This isn't true. I saw it coming and patternfags kept making up retarded non-reasons for why it wouldn't happen even though there were mid-gen abilities, moves, and incompatible megas literally the generation earlier.

>>33543933
>Joe was wrong so I must assume everyone else was wrong too

This is a new caliber of Joe dick sucking.

>Pokémon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon is the second main series Pokémon game in Generation VII.

He should update his site then.

>>33544145
Joe pls

>>33544904
"Megas are forms t-they don't count as new pokemon"

I'm glad those bitches were BTFO