Reminder that the only reason he dropped to RU was because Smogon

>>33494622
>he

>>33494622
Just admit that he'll never be cool like Incineroar

>>33494622
You're actually correct. They did kill one of its best sets with the Baton Pass ban, so the drop isn't surprising.

>>33494622
He's just shit competitively, like amost every Grass type starter

>>33494736
>>33494742
Fuck off.
>>33494742
Especially needs to fuck off when Decidueye is the second most competitively powerful non-mega grass starter.

>>33494741
Another reason why Incineroar is the best starter

>>33494763
Incineroar isn't even used in PU lol

>>33494755
>Decidueye is the second most competitively powerful non-mega grass starter.
Nice bait

>>33494622
>>33494741
Baton Pass ban has nothing to do with it, it's simply a NU/PU shitmon who still had usage in UU. And there is no Baton Pass set.

>>33494763
This isn't about starter wars.

>>33494742
>Contrary Serperior

>>33494772
Because it's in NU, so it's obvious you can't use higher tier mons in PU.

>>33494780
Owlfags need to be put in their place and reminded that Incineroar is the best

>>33494755
>Decidueye is the second most competitively powerful non-mega grass starter.
So, 4th out of 7, that means Decidueye is under average

>>33494802

F-FUCK OFF BARAFAG, H-HE'S THE BEST OF ALL THE BEIGE AND GREEN - COLORED GRASS/GHOST STARTERS WITH WINGS AND HOODS, THAT H-HAS TO ACCOUNT FOR SOMETHING!

>>33494622
Lets be honest did anyone in their right mind expect grass owl to be anything? It's stats and typing are a literally downgrade of empoleon.

Yes. They banned Baton Pass for the sole purpose of screwing over Decidueye. You've got them all figured out.

>>33494741
Tried looking up old discussions on this, although couldn't find much besides passing Substitutes or maybe a Swords Dance boost. Doesn't really seem like the best set it'd use, although I suppose Spirit Shackle could create set-up opportunities?

>>33494802
1 - Best
2 - Great
3 - Good
4 - Average
5 - Poor
6 - Bad
7 - Worst

nigga cant even count, 4 is exactly in between 1 and 7

But yeah, Baton Pass ban did hurt it, not that I'd ever use it for Baton Passing. I'd only use Decidueye for the novelty.

>>33494835
What are you even going to setup on in the first place? It's not that obvious. It only has 70 base Speed and it's Attack isn't stellar. The opponent can just switch something in on Spirit Shackle that completely demolishes Decidueye.

>>33494622

Decidueye just sucks m8

Primarina and Incineroar have power and bulk, but Decidueye excels at nothing.

>>33494824
Before the stat leaks I expected Grass/Flying with Quiver Dance/Hurricane shenanigans tbqh

Guess Greninja and the Mega starters just made people spoiled

>>33494853
Stop this meme, Incineroar is the worst of the three.

>>33494794
I'm not a Decidueye fan either, I'm a fan of Incineroar like you, but still. Shut up.

Reminder to both cat and owl fags that Primarina is the only gen 7 starter that's remotely good

>>33494868
At the cost of it being the ugliest most disgusting trashy drag queen tranny fuck though

Decidueye SUCKS. Incineroar is better.

>>33494873
still looks better than bara cat and school shooter owl

>>33494873
That's literally just an opinion. Objectively, it's good.

>>33494873
This.

>>33494881
Sure, if you're a tranny loving fuck

>>33494873

Only Decidueye is remotely visually appealing, the other two are ugly clusterfucks of crowded design and awful proportions

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Primarina doesn't need shitty gimmicks to be good. Owlfags can't compare.

>>33494882
That's literally just an opinion. Objectively, it's bad.

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>>33494887
>Decidueye
>Visually appealing

Pick one

>>33494863
no u fucking dutygemerate, all are the worst ones.

>>33494892

I never said it was great, there are flaws in its design, but it's the only one with any kind of appealing aesthetic whatsoever. Honestly on the whole gen 7 is a close runner up to gen 5 in terms of bad starters

>>33494899
It's really not, it's disgusting

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>>33494622
Everytime I have to post in one of these threads I get just a little more regret for picking Rowlett in the first place.

For the last time you sub-human 1050 or below scrub. FUCKING BUILD AROUND IT IF YOU WANT IT TO BE VIABLE IN OU COMPETITIVE. Decidueye is a support, build it like one, throw in some support around entry hazards and ways of healing, toss it into a sun team, it doesn't fucking matter, just fucking try.

Or be a cuck who can't even get off the ground and picks the gambler/red avatar in competitive named "milesthehedgehog1348" and gets fucking destroyed right out the gate because every single pokemon of his is absolute garbage and doesn't sync into each other. I can think of plenty of teams I've used in OU that had one or two UU and below based pokemon but I built around them to make them work.

I quit OU this season because it turned into garbage but I didn't stop using Decidueye because as a support its relatively okay and you can surprise someone with it if the team is built around it. But you know what, that means I at least tried.

From a former 1800+ OU player who tried his hardest to use Decidueye in OU competitive to a scrub who is probably a falseflagging shitter, you are no longer a Decidueye user, just a cocksucker who can't even figure out how to open Pokemon Showdown correctly, yes, you are THAT bad. Fuck you.

I miss the competitive of Season 4

>>33494891
>objectively its bad
>UU + OU viability vs RU/NU

>>33494889
Fairy type is a bigger gimmick than Trapping and Baton Pass combined.

>>33494864
Shut up falseflagger

>>33494906
Spoonfeed me a sample team and Decidueye spread senpai onegai

Also, prebank or post bank OU?

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>>33494911
>fairy type is a gimmick
>being retarded
This is the state of owlfags

>>33494906
You're missing the point. Smogon is actively trying to sabotage Decidueye's success you tard. Had it kept the tools it had to be viable it would have remained the King of UU. Instead we get neutered garbage because Smogon is ran by furfags.

>>33494897
>gemerate
is generate

He's probably good in RU atm with Zygarde-10 tearing it apart, Salazzle and Sharpedo wreck it though.

>>33494938
This is a good example of what is considered fake unviability, where a pokemon is less viable than it deserves to be because of an arbitrary or unfair element such as Baton Pass.

For an example of fake viability, see Primarina who is affected by an unfair element in the form of fairy type which makes it more viable than it deserves to be.

>>33494889
>>33494935
>CLICK HYDRO PUMP LOL
>Get by without putting any thought whatsoever into strategy because you got spoonfed the OP SJW typing

More proof that Primaretards are numbskulled fools and only highly skilled masters use Decidueye.

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>>33494938
>Smogon is actively trying to sabotage Decidueye's success you tard
No they are not.

You are fucking thick in the head and I'm even further convinced you can't break out of 1050. I just laid it out plain and simple and you didn't even consider the actual fact of the matter: Decidueye is not viable in OU unless you build a team around it. PERIOD.

Smogon has no agenda even when it's poorly mismanaged. They aren't out to get our "precious" owl, you're either a paranoid delusionalist or you're so fucking stupid you can't think even for one second a new build to work on this Pokemon.

Remove Decidueye from YOUR team. Fuck you, you don't deserve it.

>>33494916
The support spread I use for a sun team:

Decidueye @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Sp. Def / 252 Atk
-U-turn
-Spirit Shackle
-Synthesis/Roost
-Toxic

Strictly a defensive Pokemon and nothing more.

>>33494907
talking about the design you fuckwit

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>>33494947
>pic related is from May

imagine being this salty for so many months, holy fuck

>>33494961
You do realize you're arguing with a mentally ill falseflagger, right? He doesn't care about the owl he just cares about annoying people, he has been doing this for months and even I fell for his bullshit once and responded to him seriously, he won't change his opinion and keep fighting his gay imaginary war with Incineroar by himself.

>>33494622
Why do people still give a shit about Smogon? They've got the most static and boring metagame out of any rule set of any game because they just straight up ban things that counter their favorite pokemon. Can't do swift swim + drizzle sets, not because it breaks the meta, but because it's good against Landorus, gotta get that shit out pronto.

>>33494889
You're probably one of those sub 1100 shitters in UU who can't even deal with the fact that slapping choice specs on something with 120 sp attack doesn't automatically make it A rank, especially since there are far better choice users which have access to better movepols, stats and Trick/Healing Wish to support a choice set.

>>33494961
>252 HP / 252 Sp. Def / 252 Atk

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>>33495010
>252 HP / 252 Sp. Def / 252 Atk

I meant 4 Atk

Sue me I had a typo

>>33494622
>Caring about smogon standards
ayy lmao

>>33494755
Why would you count Venusaur, Sceptile, Serperior and Chesnaught as one pokemon?

>>33495023
>non-mega
Nice reading comprehension also Chesnaught is weaker than Decidueye. Serperior is the only grass starter that's stronger than Decidueye.

>>33494978
Found the triggered

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>>33495013
>Sue me

>>33494978
>being this triggered by common terminology

>>33495033
I was talking about base forms. Venusaur and Chesnaught are definitely better. The only one you can argue about is Sceptile

>>33495013
Consider yourself sued for using sun teams in gen 7 OU when rain and hail is much more prominent and powerful

>It's another discussion turned into starterwar bait
God how much I hate barafags. They always cause them because they feel insecure about their shitty starter.

>>33495054
Seems more like owlcucks whining on everything over their shit, unmemorable starter. Fuck off, Incineroar is cooler and you know it.

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>>33495017
>>33495000
This .
Stick to your bros, /vp/. Fuck the smogonfags.

>>33495000
Here's a (You) for those trips

>>33494622
Man I really wanna like Decidueye but those wings are just so fucking awful. They look like wet shortbread. It looks very cool with the wings pulled in and it would be viable if it had 100+ speed (which it deserved, I mean it is supposed to be the next Greninja). There's just so much wasted potential here.

>>33495054
>discussion turned
What discussion? Where? all you see is a stupid owlfag who balmes on baton pass ban for the viablity ranking of his beloved owl dropping to RU for an unexistent and unviable batn pass set. And a couple of sealfags in between being moronic scums as usual. This a regular falseflag thread(if you don't know already), the cause of how shit gen 7 starters truly are.

>>33495065
I get the cringy point being made but in this situation why couldnt he just use a ln ability capsule

>>33495085
Nothing deserves 100+ speed more than Incineroar, they literally broke a pattern going for 20 years to make sure Alola is slow.

>>33495053
>hail teams
>a team + Alolan Ninetales
not the same thing

>>33495108
Not really. Incineroar deserves to be faster, at least as fast as Torracat being at 90. But Incineroar is simply not supposed to be the next Greninja. That is Decidueyes fate, yet Decidueye is also very flawed.

>>33495094
The author of that image admitted it was shit and apologized for being ignorant. It's just used for shitposting.

All the Decidueye vs Inceneroar kids bickering. This gen had some weak ass starters.

If Popplio line kept the clown line going it might have been my favorite but it went to the lame opera singer.

>>33495129
>weak ass
But Decidueye exists. Yes it is flawed BUT still is pretty badass.

>>33495091
>sealfags being moronic scums
Just let them. These delusional owlfags have been running their mouths trashing the two other starters. When in reality theirs was no better. They act like banning BP had any impact, but it absolutely didn't. It was still trash when it had it.

Primarina is objectively the most usable starter this gen and one of the strongest starters overall, facts. Sure, the sets it runs are simple, but it gets shit done.

>>33495132
>These delusional owlfags have been running their mouths trashing the two other starters
Epic historical revisionism, mate. It's so cool to rewrite history in a painfully transparent attempt to make yourself look better.

>>33494622
They must have anti-Tsareena agenda too

>>33495120
yeah you're right, sorry.
still hail became way more viable with better distribution and Aurora Veil.

>>33495139
Might've been false flaggers. Might've been the real deal. Who knows? It did happen. I wasn't trying to say it was always them.

>>33495156
Not really as none of the Slush Rush users are really used it's mainly just Alolan Ninetales on a normal team

>>33495175
Funny how you're talking about falseflaggers, you're responding to one.
You know, the whole leak season shitposting is reason we get so much falseflagging now a days.

>>33495194
Yeah, Ninetales is the one with increased viability, hail being one of the reasons for that, setting up the veil and canceling rain is nice.

>Listening to Smogon dipshits

They only set rules, not outright ban them from the game. You're still allowed to use Baton Pass all you want.

>>33495550
bait

>>33495129
>But it went to the lame opera singer

I actually would've preferred it if it became a opera singer because all Primarina looks to me is shallow pop idol shit.

>>33495046
Chesnaught and Decidueye are both C+ in uu and Venusaur is C

>>33495849
It's a leftover because no one brought it up yet. Also I guarantee you that it's gonna be lower than both of these in RU

>>33495849
Buzzwole is ranked higher than Pheromosa in Ubers.
Decidueye's ranking in RU will be more reliable since it can actually be used on serious teams and used in the same tier as the other 2.

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Where are those RU jokes now, you cunt?

>>33495930
It's still a better design than a school shooter fursona

>>33494755
>Decidueye is the second most competitively powerful non-mega grass starter.
1) Mega-Venu
2) Mega Sceptile
3) Serperior
4) Chesnaught
5) Venusaur
6) Decideueye

You mean 4th yadayada?

>>33495973
>mega shitile above serp

>>33495973
Swap Serperior and Mega Sceptile

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>>33495930
>Dhelmise in RU
Really? His utility is great for Doubles or locking in users that switch pokemon a lot. Plus I love its design.

holy fuck I want gen 7 to be over so we can focus on (hopefully) better starters and move on with this madness

>>33496018
What good is locking them in gonna do if they always switch anyway? They'll switch on the Dhelmise and you just trap a mon that beats you 1v1.

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>>33494622
Keep telling yourself that owlfags, have fun getting fucked up by all 3 S rank pokemon in RU. (Salazzle, Sharpedo, Zoroark)

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>>33495930
>Completely forgot that Decidueye has to compete with Dhelmise when Dhelmise has the same typing, but arguably better movepool and stat distrbution to take advantage of

It even has a better fucking gimmick in locking mons with Anchor Shot, Jesus Christ how will owlfags ever recover?

>>33495085

These are not wings. These are arms with cape-like feathers. It has elbows and actual fingers.

That's why it loses flying typing.

Open your eyes, people.

>>33495982
>>33495983

Whatever. Megas are first because megas, not actual viability. They don't count for this purpose anyway.

Jesus. This really is a shitty pokemon. Incineroar and Primarina are unironically better.

>>33495973
>counting megas

>Baton Pass was unbanned at the start of the generation as we inherited OU's clause, but it has proven to be an even bigger problem than it was in ORAS. As teams such as Hikari's Scolipede + Necrozma (see the bottom of this post) demonstrate, this strategy can win on match-up alone a lot with there being very little viable counterplay. Scolipede has plenty of other options for recipients, and with the possibility of running Substitute, various attacking moves, and Spikes/Toxic Spikes, it's incredibly difficult to stop from doing its job. Scolipede isn't the only abuser, as Celebi, Decidueye and Mew could pass other stats such as Attack, Special Attack or even Defense, allowing a variety of Pokémon that are completely fine otherwise to become overbearing. Despite being more match-up based than either of the other two quickbans, Baton Pass is anything but a shaky gimmick and has proven to be a rather reliable strategy due to its sheer number of great match-ups, and is very hard to account for in teambuilding.
Casualties of war yada yada

>>33496652
>Baton Pass is anything but a shaky gimmick and has proven to be a rather reliable strategy due to its sheer number of great match-ups, and is very hard to account for in teambuilding.
JUST USE TAUNT LMAO posts incoming

>>33496674
>baton passes to magic bounce espeon
psh... nothin personnel