>51 pokemon are OU by usage >11 Steel >10 Fairy >9

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>>33470005
>smogon

>>33470030
go make VGC thread if it triggers you so much.

>>33470005
Do this for every month/gen and use other formats like UU and the Ubers just above the cutoff, then we'll talk about it being empirical.

>>33470005
>Ice, bug, poison, and normal are objectively the shittiest types.
that's the greatest logic I've ever seen

>>33470005
>21 legends or pseudos
>11 megas
>only nonmegas/psuedos are Greninja which can buff its stats to Mega level with a kill or have STAB on every move, weather abusers, stall shitters like Skarm/Chansey/Pex/Thorn, or niche mons that counter some of the above or have some other broken thing like Quiver Dance or trapping.

>>33470131
>good pokemon are used at a competitive level
who woulda thought

>>33470005
>4 Fighting
>1 legend
>2 megas
Only Hawlucha is a nonlegend/mega. wew thanks fairies

>>33470005
Of course people who play Smogon would detest what's normal

I'll agree with this if it means that Steel can take is rightful place as the best type.

>>33470005
Get fucked Luchachufags.

5 grass actually

>Ban the best steel type in OU
>Still the most dominant type in OU
Truly the best type

>>33470005
I mean, dubious methodology, but it checks out.

>>33470170
OU is the legend tier.

>>33470005
>3 rock
It is actually 2 since you are doublecounting a mega.

>>33470005
>the only Ice-types in OU are a box legend (the only one outside of Ubers) with 700 BST and a mon that can set up dualscreens in one turn

>>33470005
I don't care that Zygarde is used more than Garchomp, Zygarde cheats by being a legendary pokemon. Garchomp is still the most powerful ground/dragon pokemon of all time as far as I am concerned.

>>33470131
>stall shitters like Thorn
The only shitter here is you.

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>>33470041
>vgc

>>33470302
megas are considered separate pokemon in regards to smogon tiering.

>>33470319
>wtf why would someone play the official meta

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>>33470311
>252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 248-294 (38.9 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Original has the same BST as Chomp with worse distribution, cry harder.

>>33470005
It's 3 bugs (Volcarona , Scizor, Pinsir)
and 3 poison ( Gengar, Venusaur, T o x a p e x)

So Ice and Normal are tied for shittiest type
Though Weavile should be OU soon enough

>>33470335
You see, where Zygarde haven't earned the reputation simply by being a legendary pokemon (which means that GF will give it special snowflake toys and presents simply because it's legendary), Garchomp has rightfully earned the reputation by being a genuinely strong non-legendary pokemon that don't rely on cheating unlike Zygarde. Cry more Zyfag.

>>33470005
The use of Megas in the is image, does smogon ban the mega stone from lower tier now rather than both the Mega and the normal state?

>>33470355
Yes.

>>33470005
And only 5 of them are mono type

>>33470005
>normal type

what happened to it guys? It was King in Gen1 and 2.

>>33470361
I though they were concerned about that causing confusion, but I guess megas were eating up so many Pokemon they had to cave.

>>33470346
Chomp is a pseudo-legendary with higher BST than many actual legendaries, that in itself is special treatment. Zyfags don't cry because their mon counters the King of Ubers and cucks every mon that shares it's typing.

Huh so Mimikyu is actually pretty high up in usage, always thought it's a bit underrated in the B rankings considering it's literally one of the main faces of hyper offense

>>33470375
Nothing happened to it. That's the problem. Everything else got good around it and it didn't change at all.

>>33470396
Mimikyu is really good on hyper offence but it's B rank because it doesn't really fit well on any other playstyle.

>>33470005
How are you counting these?
There are:
3 Poison
6 Ground
3 Bug
5 Grass

>>33470005
>B-But Fairy is not overpowered!

>>33470506
It's not. It just so happens that many good pokemon are fairy type.

>>33470131
>Ferrothorn
>stall
Why do you spout lies?

Why are people complaining about Fairies when Steel has been the real dominant type for god knows how long

>>33470346
>Chompfags are THIS delusional
Garchomp and Zygarde have the same BST, boy. Just accept that your shark is going the way of Flygon and got cucked by the snek.

>>33470533
But le fairy boogeyman.

>>33470512
>Slap Fairy on anything
>Pokemon becomes 100 times better instantly
B-But Fairy is not good!

>>33470652
Yeah Wigglytuff's a real scourge of the metagame.

>>33470506
Not as much as steel, no

>smogonfags liking only legends, pseudos or broken mons
Kill yourselves

>>33470652
>tapu bulu

>>33470703
It's still better off defensively than if it were simply monoGrass. Fairy slapped on a bunch of mons is an improvement whenever you already have good answers for offensive Steel types.

>>33470326
When they enter the battle they are the same mon.

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>A-Marowak is OU
What? How? Why?

>>33470755
some people really really don't like Tapu Koko

>>33470755
good resistances/immunities and a stab combo that's hard to wall

>>33470005
>are objectively the shittiest types by competitive (Smogon) standards.
There, I fixed what your limited education and scope of understanding could not.

>>33470755
Hard counters tapu koko, celesteela, and pheromosa before the cucks banned it as well as buzzwole and xurkitree before they dropped. Pinsir and magnezone also can't touch it.

>>33470806
>Pinsir
Uh, Earthquake? Aerilate boosted Return?

How do you nerf Steel without introducing a new "broken" type? Honestly Poison should be able to hit steel. Not super-effectively or anything, just remove the immunity.

>>33470883
I would rather they introduce a Freeze-Dry like move for Poison that hits Steel super effectively

>>33470005
there's actually 6 ground types, retard

>>33470005
See
>>33470778

>>33470005
Can't wait for gengar to rott in BL

>>33470005

this is actually a surprisingly accurate portrayal of how good each type is

>>33470005
Ice - worst defensive type in the game; weak to Rocks, Fire, Steel, and Fighting. Only Ice-types in OU right now are Black Kyurem (a powerful Legendary Pokemon) and Alolan Ninetales (who is only in OU right now because Aurora Veil is popular right now; basically on its own it sucks)

Bug - second worst defensive type in game; weak to Flying, Fire, and Rock. One of worst offensive types in game. All Bug-types in OU are dual-typed; at least two are Megas. The other is Volcarona.

Poison - One of worst offensive types in game - many types resist it and Steel is immune. Only strong against Fairy and Grass. Only Poison mons in OU are Gengar (one of the best special attackers in game) and Toxapex (one of the best walls in game)

Normal - Good coverage and only 1 weakness but with no SE on their own they suck. Hell, the only Normal-types in OU are Chansey (wall) and Mega Lopunny (unresisted coverage and great speed tier) .

>>33470538
>Garchomp is getting cucked by a Pokemon with 100 attack and 95 speed
Pretty funny when you think about it

>>33470005

>11 Steel
>10 Fairy
>9 Water (and 2 are pretty much the same mon anyway)
>9 Flying
>7 Dragon (if you don't count Mega Latios or Mega Garchomp, and if you count Megazard X which will drop soon anyway)
>6 Dark (4 of them are either Tyranitar or Greninja)
>7 Ground (if Mega Garchomp counts, and Dugtrio, which may leave once Arena Trap is banned)
>5 Fire (2 of them are Mega Charizard, one of which will probably drop soon)
>4 Ghost
>4 Fighting
>5 Psychic (if Mega Latios doesn't count)
>5 Grass (if you include Kartana, which will drop soon)
>3 Electric
>3 Rock (2 are Tyranitar)
>2 Ice (1 is Alolan Ninetales, which may drop soon once Aurora Veil fad disappears from OU)
>3 Bug
>3 Poison
>2 Normal

>>33470940
ninetails having freeze dry also basically auto wins you rain matchups which is nice when the meta allows it. Rain teams generally have zero switch ins besides ferrothorn and the rest of their team is x4 weak

>>33470999

>kingdra used hidden power steel

>>33471025
I would die laughing if someone actually teched that onto their kingdra set.

>>33470533
Because steel isn't new. New things are automatically worse for being newer.

>>33471025
Can't kingdra learn flash cannon?

>>33471190
It can

>>33470994
don't include megachomp since it's only OU by technically.
And I doubt kartana will drop soon since it's so good versus HO which is very popular right now.

>>33470994
>if you include Kartana, which will drop soon
Did you even look at the chart? It's right in the middle.

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>>33471025
>Kingdra used hidden power steel
>No rain

>>33470131
>the only non-megas and non-legends in this tier are the pokemon who aren't megas or legends

how profound

>>33470944
Garchomp would be the better choice if it had a STAB with zero immunities. Zygarde was considered as a "lesser Garchomp" last gen for a reason.

>>33470677

It did get much better

I will always state that bug is the worst offensive type. I believe 7 resistances which is awful, and onluy 3 types it is SE against. And those three types almost always have better options than using a bug attack. If you want to hit psychic, almost everything gets knock off. If you want to hit psychic, fairy/fighting is amazing coverage instead. If you want to hit grass, you can use just about any attack. People just think it's okay because U turn.

I run monotype bug and never use bug type attacks except for a bug buzz or two.

I wish bug was neutral against ghost, fighting, and fairy, but resisted by rock. This would make sense, buff rock defensively, and help bug offensively.

>>33473218
Bug is definitely the worst, but I think Psychic comes close, now that Fairy exists. There are very few situations where a Psychic attack would be better than a Fairy attack

>>33470755
One of the hardest hitting mons in OU with a reliable rarely resisted stab in Shadow Bone and a stab nuke in Flare Blitz

Commonly used in trick room teams that are popular in the high ladder

>>33473305
>There are very few situations where a Psychic attack would be better than a Fairy attack
Thankfully there is a terrain that boosts Psychic attacks, so Psychic coverage can be used as pseudo STAB unlike Fairy coverage.

>Kartana STILL OU
apologize right now.

>>33470533
Steel has always been good defensively but bad offensively. Fairy type is added and is really, really good! But weird extra thing - Steel now suddenly becomes the best defensively AND amazing offensively!

That's what happens when you introduce a type incorrectly: It makes things busted.

I still have no idea how anyone at gf thought "Gee, Steel is great defensively but has a flaw in it not being great offensively. How about we make it great offensively by making our new broken type weak to it, thus making Steel broken too?

>>33475649
>Steel has always been good defensively
Steel has always been broken defensively.
>Steel now suddenly becomes the best defensively AND amazing offensively!
Steel is still mediocre offensively. How often do you see non steel types using steel type attacks as coverage?

>>33470005
What are the specs for VGC OP? We need to see if there's a correlation.

>>33470327
great question honestly

Shit I hope more than one shiny doesn't come out in doubles or the fucking game seizes. Fucking feces.

>>33470266
And 3 bugs

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>>33473843
Inb4 misty terrain

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>>33478873
It doesn't sadly. Can you imagine how OP that would be? Fairies would actually rule the meta.
>mfw Xerneas under Misty Terrain

>>33479110
Imagine if it boosted water moves.
>mega sawmpert under rain and misty terrain

>>33470994
Kartana would be absolute cancer in UU
It'll probably drop to BL at worst.

>>33475615
>mismagius used mystical fire

Will the UB's and tapus ever go to ubers?

>>33479358
No, 1100 player

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>>33479305
> Boosting Water attacks
How does that make sense?

>>33470883
Just remove some of it's resistances like psychic, and maybe make it weak to electric.

>>33470005
>Hawlucha is OU

What did I miss?

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>>33470533
Complacency towards "old" poor balancing and only focusing on the newer, easier target is disturbingly common in gaming communities. Any of the 18 types is no longer a bogeyman that can just sweep everything else, so steel doesn't really have a reason to be such an overkill safety valve anymore like its original intention. Its not even a huge change possibly, even just having one more neutral effectiveness on it would go a long way while possibly buffing a weaker type if chosen carefully enough.

>>33479462
Meme set introduced by Pokeaimd turned out to not be a meme at all. Terrain seed (mainly Electric since it's used fairly often on Rain teams in conjuction with Koko) to boost defense on the switch in, get the speed boost from Unburden and the attack boost on Acrobatics making it a decent late game sweeper

Ice type is worst type

Where's the meme image explaining what all these Pokemon do?

>>33470005
I wish Showdown would go back to using the sprites.

>>33479386
All the other terrains boost the tapus primary type.
ie electric, psychic, grass.
The only exception being misty terrain.

>>33480504
Aim didn't build that team.

>>33480504
That explains it. I figured it would be too frail otherwise.
>>33479504
That's the cutest damn chesnaught I ever did see and I don't like chesnaught .

>>33479378
>what is pheromosa?

>Ash-Greninja is fifth

WTH, WHY? Wasn't it shit in battle because of no protean or something?

>>33482481
> 153 Sp.Attack
> 132 Speed
> Able to hold an item
> Has a multi hitting base 60 priority move

Gee I wonder why

>>33482481
Either you're memeing or you've been away from /vp/ for the past ten months.
Which is it.

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>>33482481
>/vp/ laugh on Ash-Greninja when it lost in the league
>/vp/ ACTUALLY thought Ash-Greninja won't be in the games and would be shit.
>it'a in the games forever and good as fuck
>Charizard-X on the verge of dropping to c rank and dropping to UU
Is this justice?

>>33470005
>Hawlucha in OU
When did this happen?

>>33473178

Don't forget that once Thousand Arrows was found in XY's code, everyone agreed that it would boost the shit out of Zygarde once it was released.

>>33470005
GF purposely makes Ice types shit. There are 12 pokemon that are weak to ice in OU. A good ice type pokemon would tear the meta apart and change it beyond recognition.

GF will never let that happen.

>>33482915
Le suspecting fayce
Soon

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>>33470327
The official meta should've been singles. Doubles is a gimmick.

>>33483040
when its sent out holding electric/grassy seed

>>33483159
weavile was the best non-legendary ice type and look where it is now. ice types need a bigger niche then just having a powerful sweeper.

>>33483449
It's B+ now, it might not be in its ORAS A+ glory days but it should rise again with Dugtrio gone, stall needs another trapper

>>33483479
its dropped to UU anon.. it still sees some use in OU but its been pushed back.

>>33483449
Biggest reason weavile isn't used anymore is because it's not strong enough to break past fat teams and not fast enough to pressure offense.
Magearna, Ferrothorn, Toxapex, Heatran, Clefable, Fini are really common and wall it forever.
Koko, Ashgreninja, and Mega lopunny outspeed it and either Uturn out or just kill it.

>>33470005

It's obvious from these numbers that you miscounted. Grass, Poison and Ground are all better than that surely.

>>33483501
>not strong enough
>not fast enough
>its weavile

holy shit the meta is bad this year.

>>33483449
Just give Kyurem-B Icicle Crash and Dragon Dance so he can join his Uber friends

>>33483519
what and give up one of the only two ice types left in ou?

>>33470005
Might be interesting to try and relate these to the average BST of each type within OU. For example, Rock has one 600 BST 'mon + two 700 BST 'mons in OU and the 600 (and one of the 700s) technically gets a 59 to 74 (69 to 84) point BST boost thanks to auto-Sand which indicates that Rock-type Pokemon need ridiculous raw stats to overcome their shit typing and break into the top tier.
>>33483449
Weavile doesn't have a proper ability. It's only good by mistake. Hell, GF probably had it all ready to go before they thought to do the Physical/Special split back in Gen IV.

>>33483577
Thought this would be interesting so I calculated the average base stats of each type. I won't calculate in the buff from Marowak's thick club and Mawile's Huge Power. Rounded up too btw

1. Rock : 667
2. Dragon : 611
3. Ice : 605
4. Bug : 583
5. Dark : 573
6. Psychic : 570
7. Fire : 569
8/9. Electric : 562
8/9. Ground : 562
10. Water : 559
11. Grass : 558
12. Flying : 554
13. Fairy : 552
14. Fighting : 543
15. Poison : 540
16. Steel : 537
17. Normal : 515
18. Ghost : 470

No guarantees that this is 100% accurate, I didn't double check

>>33470994
Dugtrio is only used for trapping, so yes, it will vanish if arena trap is banned

>3 ground types in top 6

>>33483883
Ghost is a pretty big surprise there, I didn't realize that they got by with such low stats. I guess Gengar has the highest BST there at just 500.
Makes sense I guess, all the good high BST Ghosts we've gotten lately (Mega Gengar, Aegislash, Marshadow) have been completely bonkers.

>>33486139
The ghosts with low stats still surviving in OU usually have a one of a kind niche I guess

Sableye being the only good defensive magic bouncer
Mimikyu being the only mon with Disguise which makes him disgusting on hyper offence
Alolan Marowak having one of the highest attack stat in the game with thick club

The Rocks on the other hand just get pass with their titanic well distributed stats

>>33470005
There are 6 ground types pictured

>>33486380
Not for long :^)

>>33483883
near 200 difference between rocks and ghosts

jesus rock type needs more good pokemon

>>33470005
Where is mega alkazam?

>>33488609
BL