Why is this fanbase so good compared to Sonic's? We might

>>33467602
Pokemon=MLP

>>33467602
Pokémon has been way more consistent both gameplay wise and quality wise so the fanbase isn't completely torn apart like it is for Sonic

Sonic was never good, but it reached levels of bad that were so insane that it became the mockery of the entire industry. Hard to have a good fanbase at that point.

>>33467602
>Why is this fanbase so good compared to quite conceivably the worst fan base of all time?
Funny thing is it really isn't. They're both turboautist to extremes. If sonic had its own 4chan board, it'd be just as bad if not slightly better than /vp/.

>>33467633
Sonic was never good?
>Sonic
>Sonic 2
>Sonic 3 and Knuckles
>Sonic CD

Sonic in its old school era was amazing that's why it rivaled Mario and sold systems wasn't till his 3d departure that the sonic team had trouble

>>33467628
Sonic was great prior to 1995.

>>33467652
I didn't say it wasn't?

>>33467663
The post I responded to said "Sonic was never good."

>>33467668
Well shit. I just noticed I responded to the wrong post. Apologies.

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>>33467602
>so good compared to Sonic's
stopped there. reminder that we literally had a cult of people hypnotizing themselves into being pokemon, hosted right here
if anything, we're equal at the least

>>33467602
she looks like she's trying to hold in a fart

>>33467690
>she

>>33467644
None of those are good. Seemingly random and messy level design with no flow or cohesion, just a bunch of random paths and obstacles thrown everywhere, not to mention the gameplay being focused on speed and yet you either get levels that invite you to go fast and then place random obstacles to fuck your momentum up, or levels where it slows down to a crawl and you have to clumsily jump around gimmicky platforms that barely relate to their surroundings.

It's a mess. Comparing it to the surgical level design and gameplay of Mario is a joke.

>>33467705
Nah, Classic Sonic is way more fun

The only good Sonic game was Sonic Heroes
t b h

>>33467705
They each had their charms. Overall Mario did it better, but the original Sonic games are quite a lot of fun as well. Your criticisms aren't wrong, but they don't ruin what are overall some really great games.

>>33467730
>Good
>Any 3D Sonic game

Nope.

>>33467740
>great potential with the whole team mechanic

As long as there's only one "team." The series went off the rails right around when they started introducing the extended cast of creepy anthropomorphic animal friends. All the series needs, and all it should have, is Sonic and Tails. Knuckles gets a pass also. But after that, it was all downhill.

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>>33467602
Because of more porn.

:^)

>>33467608
So something that people either enjoyed growing up and still enjoy it now, or people that like how simple, fun, and overly wholesome it is in comparison all the gritty/dark/edgy stuff out there? The turbo autists don't count, every fandom has their share of embarrassing people that take their hobby too far.

>>33467680
But that's a good thing. When you love something so much that you want to be part of it.

While there are Sonic fans like that, most of them just bash the franchise 24/7 and hate anyone who just want to enjoy the blue hedgehog's games and dick

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>>33467680
I'm still upset those recordings did nothing for me.

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Pokemon was built on goodfeels and the joy of discovery with no major hurdles, Sanic was built on frustration and the pain of failure with a more concentrated sense of satisfaction after you finally succeed.

The Pokemon fanbase at its best is mellow and friendly/helpful, and at the worst the autism is restricted to minmaxing and theorycrafting and being slightly rude. The Sonic fanbase at its best is energetic, competitive and happy, and at the worst it's spastic and obnoxious and lashes out against outsiders.

>>33467765
They catered to people like you and the series suffered for it

I just want Chao Gardens again.

>>33467876
>Sanic was built on frustration and the pain of failure with a more concentrated sense of satisfaction after you finally succeed.

This is a good insight. It explains why Sega took 20+ years to make another good Sonic game after Sonic & Knuckles - so Sega themselves could experience that sense of success after many, many failures.

(But seriously, this is a good insight about the differences in the series' philosophies.)

>>33467884
nice bait

>>33467911
The general feel of video games speaks volumes about their fanbase, just look at Dark Souls. Literally both the best and the absolute worst fanbase in existence because of how severe the game is in a multitude of ways. Pokemon is more middle of the line so there are very few extremes in either direction.

>>33467884
People like me who just wanted a damn back-to-basics Genesis-style 2D game? What catering did they ever do for people like me, prior to 2017 (when they finally did cater to me, to great success)? The only nod even slightly in our direction was Sonic 4, and I'm not sure how that harmed the franchise any more than some of the 3D shit they've put out recently.

>>33467921
Are you implying that Adventure and Adventure 2 (when they started introducing more character) were worse than newer games such as Lost World?

>>33467634
>sonic 4chan board
i never knew i wanted something so bad just to see how fucked up it would get

>>33467602
both franchises would be dead without furries

>>33467608
Basically. Neither can go as low as Sonic despite how horrifying both are.
>>33467644
Pretty much

>>33467928
Slightly off-topic but have you played Freedom Planet? That game captures the classic Sanic feel better than any Sanic game since Rush 1 in my opinion.

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>>33467939
>furries are this deluded into thinking they're important

>>33467928
So you just want the series to stagnate forever?
Both SEGA and Nintendo actively rejected this for a reason.

Play romhacks or move on. Let newer fans have own fun.

It's like saying that GF should get rid of everything after GS and just keep releasing the same games with the same mechanics over and over.

>>33467951
I somehow missed it when it came out, and actually only heard of it a couple of weeks ago. I've been meaning to check it out, it seems interesting.

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>>33467954

>>33467929
yes, by a fucking mile

>>33467962
>there's a pokemon i can fap to, therefore i must be represented
damn son you really are deluded, get help

>>33467602
>Pokemon fanbase better than sonic
>furry fandom vs other furry fandom
Be glad /vp/ is SOMEHOW the least autistic you can get when it comes to Pokemon fandom, once you see those Pokemon family camps where people LARP in fursuits and what not is when you'll understand how bad it really gets.

>>33467955
Stagnate, no. Stick to what it's good at, yes. (Or at least continue giving us the good games alongside the bad.) Sonic is a shitty series in 3D. It's never been better than when it was in 2D. I certainly don't need Genesis-era graphics forever, but that sort of gameplay, yes, that's what I think the series is best at. Sonic 4 was basically what I'd always wanted as an evolution of the series, so it was a shame that the execution wasn't very good.

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>>33467680
Sonic has frequent groups of people doing the exact same thing for the Tails Doll, mate. And to put themselves inside 'Tails' during 'that' comic. We're pretty fucking bad, we curse, we hiss, we hate the very hand that feeds us Pokemon games for very good reasons. But there's something far, far darker about the Sonic fandom. It's hard to describe just how mindless it can get. But honestly, I'd say Undertale is worse. Sonic and Undertale are kind of like staring into the face of hell. That's why I play Mario.

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>>33467961
It's actually really good, plus if you have speedrun autism it's really well built for that as well.

>>33467962
Pretty much the only straightforward furrybait in the series. Not like furries needed it to thrive, and not like the series would've been struggling without it. Inconsequential. So glad it exists though

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>>33467973

>>33468003
Tsareena caters to a completely different fetish altogether

>>33468005
if it's a pokemon, it's furry, get over yourself, that's how it has been since gen 1

>>33468011
Where's the fur? Which animal is Tsareena?

>>33468015
tsareena is a pokemon

Can we at least agree that Sonic's music is leagues above Pokemon's?

>>33468015

A Pokemon doesn't fur to be furry

>>33468029
UP AND DOWN AND ALL AROUND

>>33468029
Ex-fuckin-cuse me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsD-OUWNUlU

In all seriousness though, music is such a whichever-you-heard-first-you-like-the-best thing, for me there aren't too many vidya that top the music of Pokemon. Still get shivers from the vs. Red theme from GSC and Cynthia's theme from DPPt

>>33468029
tfw the only Sonic OST I like is Sonic 06

>>33468033
TURN IT UP
GET DOWN

>>33468030
/vp/ furries are so far detached from actual furries at this point, a classic kinda furry wouldn't look at Tsareena twice. Which is why Pokemon like Blaziken and Lucario and Braixen still continue being the most popular

>>33468046
>he doesn't like the classic sonic game soundtracks
>he doesn't like adventure's soundtrack
>he doesn't like advance's soundtrack
>he doesn't like rush's soundtrack
>he doesn't like unleashed's soundtrack
>he doesn't colors' soundtrack
>he doesn't like generations' soundtrack
>he doesn't like mania's soundtrack
How does taste this bad exist?

>>33467989
>Stagnate, no. Stick to what it's good at, yes. (Or at least continue giving us the good games alongside the bad.) Sonic is a shitty series in 3D. It's never been better than when it was in 2D
That is _your_ opinion. One that got spreaded too far thanks to "opinion makers" such as Game Grumps and other "e-celebs" who saw an easy opportunity to earn some Youtube bux.

If anything, Mania and Sonic 4 Episode II are the perfect proof that the "all 3D games suck" people want stagnation. Episode II sold a pathetic 500000 and, despite not having any of Episode I's problems, still gets mindlessly bashed by the e-celeb audience (as in, they didn't even play the game). Meanwhile, Mania... I'll just let this video do the talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkPnepwOj_o

Trying to pander even more to the people that's helping kill the franchise is just suicide. They need to keep pushing Sonic forward, keeping the things that work and scrapping the ones that don't.

>>33467994
>Sonic has frequent groups of people doing the exact same thing for the Tails Doll, mate. And to put themselves inside 'Tails' during 'that' comic
What comics are you talking about?

>>33468079
You remember Tailsposter? That one. A lotta of other stuff like it too. They love that nonsense. Revered instead of hated. The few sane people in Sonic left long ago.

>>33468084
>anyone having toddlercon on their hard drive
>sane

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>>33467875
I honestly almost slipped into something while listening to one for shits. Whatever it was, I stopped myself at the last second because it felt.. unpleasant. Wrong, even

Whoever thinks sonic mania isn't amazing is just blinded by sonic hate

>>33467680
What's our equivalent of "blue arms"?

>>33468063
I like Solaris Phase 2 because I'm a sucker for strings, that's all
I've never played a Sonic game.

Whoever thinks sonic mania isn't garbage is just deluded by blind hope for a sonic game that isn't garbage

>>33468095
SM anime
the only difference being that the SM anime is alright

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>>33468110

>>33468118
8.7 is garbage

>>33468110
>>33468093
Mania is just a dumb romhack. People giving it so much importance are the cancer of the fanbase.

>>33468117
>the SM anime is alright
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>33468120
Ok

>>33468122
this
it's Whitehead's CD boner manifested into a fangame. the people calling this Sonic 4 are retarded

>>33468122
>USUM are just dumb romhacks. People giving it so much importance are the cancer of the fanbase.
this is how retarded you are

>>33468125
>THE SM ANIME IS BAD *posts in-betweeen frame*

>>33468131
That makes no sense at all. USUM is an official product where the only difference to the last one is a different box. Mania is the complete opposite, but worse.

>>33468140
oh, sorry
>B2W2 are just dumb romhacks. People giving it so much importance are the cancer of the fanbase.
is this what's hip with the kids?

>>33468137
I'm not one of those people, I think every frame looks bad. That 'new artstyle' is visual aids.

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>>33468131
Except that the Pokemon fanbase doesn't make such a huge deal over 3rd versions. They sell poorly compared to new gens and remakes. They don't get countless Youtube videos and forum posts on how they were the second coming of christ in a world of sin.

>>33468148
BW2 were crap so I've lost what your point is.

>>33468155
I don't think you understood my point in the first place

>>33468110
>>>/v/

>>33468155
oh i see, you're just here to post bait
here's your (You), now fuck off

never played a sonic in my life dont think I ever will.

>>33468219
The first games were better. Ingest your shit taste with a side of pokestar studios.

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>>33468227
>every time it all comes back to some no-name who will die in the street starting a gen war

Sonicfags do this more than us on a 20 minute basis. Let's all let that sink in.

>>33467680
One time I was doing this hypno-tape where when I "woke" up at the end I was supposed to feel like my favorite Pokemon

I got a boner the moment the guy said awaken and now I know my favorite Pokemon is sexually deprived

>>33468248
I don't think calling someone a 'no-name' is much of an insult when we're all anonymous
If anything having a name around here is more detrimental

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>>33468325
Fuck, you're right.

>>33468264
link?

>>33467705
You can say what you want about what you think of Sonic games, but he was a successful mascot at the time and his games were good enough to attract a good amount of people.

I'm also not a fan of Sonic gameplay or the messy level layouts, but it does something different from 'traditional' platformers and it did it well enough to keep people interested for a good while.

I'm not sure where exactly Sonic went wrong but I'd guess part of the reason is poor marketing for the later Sega consoles as well as a transition to 3D that wasn't nearly as well-received as Mario's.

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>>33468120
No arguing there.

>>33467602
Library-Chan and Guzmetal-Chan

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>>33468525
how about no

>>33467680
/hypno/ wasn't around for two whole days before the mods cracked down on it

>>33467602
>And before you say it... Pokemon had a bunch of awful spin offs too.

They weren't awful.

>>33468137
Not hard to post an inbetween frame when literally every frame is an inbetween

>>33467602
It's because Pokemon was always made with a social experience in mind, trading with other people and whatnot. Pokemon are individualized by the original owners, there are benefits to trading through extra experience points and filling out the pokedex, there are tournaments for pvp, and every game seems to have its own unique individual social thing whether it works or not. All Sonic has for multiplayer are online best times for clearing levels, which are quickly taken to the absolute extreme end by a couple of autists within a few weeks.

>>33467705
I used to think like that, but I realized the creator said he replayed the first level of Mario over and over to get faster. Sonic levels would be no fun if you just pressed right and won. You have to replay it and remember those obstacles to get faster.

Auto-scrolling platform grind-to-a-halt is still garbage though, I'll give you that

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>>33467680
>>33467875
>>33468092
>>33469342

Damn, I've been coming here on and off for a long while and never knew this happened.

Let's show the circlejerkers over at /sthg/ how people outside their furry fandom really feel.
>>>188329874

>>33468151
The 3rd version are the ones that get praised more constantly, crystal, emerald, platinum and BW2, also they sell less because only the hardcore fans are willing to pay for them.

>>33467955
Innovation isn't always good buddy, the sonic franchize is essentially the proof that sometimes it is better to stick to a same formula.

>>33468140
Anon, how old are you? If you are on your 20s or 30s I gonna have to assume you are a moron,
Mania was mostly Whitehead work and can be see as a fan product but I was supported and distributed by Sega, so it is an official Sonic game.

>>33467602
Saying that the Pokemon fanbase is good when compared to Sonic isn't saying a lot, since Adventure, Sonic have one of the worst fanbases from any type of media.

But I give you that the only problem with the pokemon fanbase are the annoying older players who still haven't realize they outgrew the series years ago.

>>33467602
>Why is this fanbase so good compared to Sonic's?
the pokemon fanbase is probably the most ungrateful and needy fanbase in existence, what the hell are you talking about

>>33471383
is this just someone who thinks the fanbase is entitled just because a chunk of it dont like the 3ds games?

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>>33468540
>Fennekin
>deer

>>33467680
>hypnotizing themselves into being pokemon

This has to be a joke, right?

>>33468039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHill_kR-FQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sMMFd6Mf-A

>>33469342
it wasn't. it was around for maybe six days tops.
the mods were legitimately conflicted.

>>33467680
>>33472642
>>33474195
I wanna do this, is it too late?

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>>33468540
>grass monster Chespin

>>33467608
bingo

>>33467994
part of the charm of sonic is the edge, that sense of power over others you get by going faster than life.
its already fucked up and destinated to bring tryhard desperate autists to it.

add to that how the sonic fandom sees the original games as masterpieces.

take this cuck for example: >>33467644
desperate to prove wrong anyone who disagrees with him, obsessing and even calling the games "best of anything".
probably a retard obsessed with the word "robotnick".

now look at the pokemon fandom.
the word "genwuner" is used to describe that kind of people, and most people play every pokemon and just try to have a good time, meanwhile sonic autists seem to be trying to prove something.

pokemon is about the discovering, take off your shitty nostalgia googles and just fuck a rapidash. Its all about trying new things and hate gamefreak for never making them.

sonic is about staying the fucking same because some austist think the 3D sonic NEEDS to be like the 2D ones for some reason, making weird videos about how can it work in a 3D plane when it already works just not the same way as the original games.

also fucking amy makes sense, but fucking obscure sonic characters no body cares about, the most underground the better, its pure cringe and you can feel all the darkness from here.

>>33475549
this is cringe

>>33475558
where do you think you are?

>>33467602
>yet we still buy and play them
not this time i aint

>>33467602
I wish this fan base would fucking shoot Pokémon in the head with a shotgun. It needs to fucking die.

>>33467608
Fucking this. Pokémon was once based but now its splatoon/CoD level generic. Maybe even worse than those.

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>>33475569
>comparing pokemon and splatoon to CoD

>>33475565
my dude. After OR ASS, SM was the final kick in the balls. USM will be the first Pokémon game I will not buy. Shit sucks I want to go back

>>33475576
My bad. I shouldn't sully the name of CoD and Splatoon by comparing it to a fucking steaming heap like modern Pokémon.

>>33475580
>>33475585
that was fucking epic XD

>>33475576
>two games with nice texture and optimized multiplayer
>worse than pixels and lag the game
lmao

>>33475587
Not an argument, you assblasted furry. SM are shit. Modern Pokémon is shit. Prove me wrong lmao GLHF.

>>33475608
I don't need to prove anything to children trying to fit in

>>33475620
If you're defending SM you are indeed proving something: your own retardation.

Unless, shit, I dunno, you wanna defend yourself? You can't, so don't bother but I'll be impressed if you can.

>>33475633
you'll be praising it by gen 8 like the contrarian you are

>>33475638
I will say this: I did come around to XY. I thought it was alright the diets play through. A little too many NPC interruptions. Like, just fucking let me play why are you dumb NPCs stopping me every 3 feet telling me that they're my friend. No you're not you're interrupting my journey fuck you. But after making it like 2/3 of the way through SM, I didn't realize how good we had it. The fucking PSS dude? Excellent. Sure the graphics are devoid of style and pixelated and the models are all washed out and lifeless, but at least we don't have festival plaza and fucking fade-to-black cutscenes and waypoints every 2 steps. SM away fucking awful, holy shit. What a sharp dip in quality. Like I thought SM was gonna be a breath of fresh air after ORAS and XY but fuck me I didn't know how good we had it.

On a slightly unrelated note: ORAS wasn't AWFUL, it was just extremely disappointing. If RSE didn't exist I'd probably think ORAS was pretty decent. SM is irredeemably bad though. Will never play again and will most certainly not buy USM.

>>33475671
thanks for proving my point you retard

>>33475680
I was partially agreeing with you, dumbass. And how is disliking SM "contrarian" ? That doesn't even make any sense. The only people who like that shit are furries, babies and girls.

>>33475693
you'll change your narrative to fit SM next gen

>>33475694
Already sold my cart, you presumptuous cunt.

I mean dude, if you like SM fucking defend it. DEFEND IT. Why should I like it? Why do you think I'm wrong? What are your fucking opinions for Christ sake do you think I'm fucking shitposting just because I'm swearing? Let's goooooo.

>>33475706
can't be bothered to find a shitty pasta like you did

>>33475710
God you're boring. KYS you useless SM shitter.

How many awful spin off games has Pokemon had? Dash is the one that springs to mind, but that definitely didn't sell well. Meanwhile, the mainline Sonic games have been beyond shitty for decades and are defended for being "a return to form" when one of them manages to be remotely playable.

At least Mania was good, but they still don't know how to translate that to a 3D game.

>>33475638
>>33475694
I still hate Gen 6 now and I'll still hate Gen 7 when it ends. Stop forcing the Zelda cycle on Pokemon

>>33475710
ive never seen someone act smug about not having an argument

you're pretty fucking sad if you are still fishing for replies

>>33477826
there really isn't a reply anyone could give

>>33477826
you must be arguing with yourself because I dont even know who this could be directed at

@33478070

>>33478076
well now I'm even more confused. But I assume that if you're being this obtuse, there's no real point in figuring out what you're going on about

>>33478095
The original dude who was trying to spark a CoD/Pokémon which-is-worse-these-days debate was me and I haven't posted since last night, but I just got up and have been lurking and no one has convinced me SM is good and/or better than Cucks of Duty so RIP in piss Pokémon. Hopefully between now and the time when they start developing Pokéswitch Malasuda and the other pussy fucking die.

>>33475576
Pokémon is Nintendo's CoD. This much is obvious.

>>33478152
WHAT WENT SO WRONG?

>>33478117
oh, is the guy just mad that more than one person replied to his post so he's crying samefag? That was anticlimactic

when you're at the point where your arguments are about replies you pretty much have nothing else to say.

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>>33467911
This is an underrated post.

>>33467644

Sonic 1 turns to shit after GHZ. I say that as a massive Sonic fag who's first game was Sonic 1.

>>33475638
SM is the first generation I didn't finish in one sitting (I got up through the start of the third island before I stopped playing for the last 6-7 months. I only recently started playing again to finish it).

I never hated Gen 6. It wasn't the best but I still thought it was a decent enough experience. I didn't think the interruptions from friends were overly intrusive and I still had a little bit of exploration (not nearly to the degree of earlier generations but still serviceable).

Sun and Moon are way too linear and have way too many cutscenes. There's always a mark on the map telling me where to go and it doesn't matter anyway because every possible route is fenced off (usually for inane reasons like "My Stoutland is very thorough..." or whatever) except the exact location it wants me to go. And what awaits me at the next marker? Another damn cutscene

I'm not saying to get rid of the story although I think my experience would be better if the story were more barebones (or at least wasn't as pervasive). And you can have cutscenes in the game. But holy smokes stop interrupting me every five seconds and stop dictating my exact path to the goal down to the yard.

If we're gonna stick with 3D (which I don't see GameFreak changing). Don't be any more intrusive than Gen 6

>>33478173
what? It's not about replies it's about someone saying I'm wrong without backing it up, assfaggot

>If you constantly tolerate the bullshit of the developer and publisher you are a good fan
Your post is full of shit for other reasons, but i'm not putting in more effort than you

sonic really does have the most autistic fanbase, you lunatics put /vp/ to shame with your levels of delusion

>>33479603
>put /vp/ to shame
> /vp/ having shame

GF & Pokémon suck = fact

When are we getting competent develop, lads?

>>33475275
Please don't

>>33475275
do it

>>33468264
What Pokémon was that?