September update http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread s/usage

>Decidueye can finally be used in a tier it belongs

>>33465426

>Decidueye and Tsareena dropped to RU

Fucking finally

>>33465426
wow kingdra made quite a leap

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>>33465426
>Hoopa-Unbound moved from OU to UU

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>Kingdra moved from BL3 to OU

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>>33465426
>hawlucha moved from UU to OU
I am simply disappointed.

I can't wait for Decidueye to drop to NU and Incineroar to go up to RU come hidden ability release. Failing that, Decidueye dropping period as it continues to is hilarious.

The salt will be real and I simply cannot wait.

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>jirachi, mega latias, hoopa unbound, and rotom-w are now UU

>>33465465
It's not a flying type. That's why it falls.

>>33465467
>Jirachi in UU
Oh boy

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>>33465467

>>33465465
Incineroar itself is not far from PU.

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>>33465467

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>Hoopa-Unbound moved from OU to UU

>>33465478

It WAS PU, but then it rose to NU via usage.

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>this is an UU pokemon in the year of our lord 2017

>>33465492
Yeah and it looks like it may go back to PU since it's usage is going down again

>>33465501
>what is u-turn?

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>>33465426
>Kingdra moved from BL3 to OU

>>33465501
Remember when it got banned to FUCKING UBERS just one gen before?

>>33465426
Shit, are Rain Dance teams that prominent still?

>>33465449
>>33465511
Rain is one hell of a drug.
>>33465451
Why?

>>33465521
The only reason it is OU is due to a gimmick, and we have enough of those as is. Case in point: duggy.

Look at all those monsters in UU. How many are gonna get Banaphy'd immediately?

>>33465518
Mega Swampert has good synergy with Pelipper, so yes.

>>33465521

The only reason Hawlucha and Alolan Ninetales rose is because of Aurora Veil.

Aurora Veil is the most braindead form of Hyper Offensive to date.

>>33465426
About time Decidueye gets to dominate RU. Time for best starter to be S rank.

>>33465501
what do you expect when ou is such a mess

>>33465426
>Decidueye dropping to RU
So will it be good there?

UU is going to be insane

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>>33465555
based quadsbro confirmed
powercreep will soon transform UU into something as dead as OU if this keeps going

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>>33465537
>mfw I just realized that Mega Swampert, Pelipper, and Kingdra don't share any weaknesses
Is Water broken?

>>33465600
yes

>>33465600
In a hilarious turn of events, all three have a x4 weakness to Freeze-Dry

>>33465600
You just need one move, Anon. One move that makes A-Ninetales so much fun to use. Freeze-Dry.

>>33465611
now that you mention, I suppose that's the other reason why Ninetales-A was brought up to OU, besides Aurora Veil

>>33465531
It's a good gimmick, and it's not as dangerous as duggy for a number of reasons, like switching still being an option, and losing your unburden if you switch out.

>>33465547
Ninetales also has its way of countering rain teams as some kind anons have noted.

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>>33465426

>Manaphy to OU
>Dragonite to OU
>Azelf is probably next

>tfw all of Talonflame's bros are moving on without it

>>33465611

Specs Vanilluxe new anti-meta confirmed

>>33465617
Yep. Snow warning cancels rain, and it can OHKO one half of a standard rain team by itself.

>>33465600
I wouldn't really call it broken. It's very good, but not broken. Not yet anyway.

>>33465638
>talonflame bros with anyone
>azelf in ou ever
You're a funny anon

>>33465651
It was OU last gen retard.

>>33465651
>>azelf in ou ever
He's getting there.
>| 52 | Azelf | 3.353% |
I like that very much. It's my favorite out of the Lake Trio, though I like the other two a lot as well.

>>33465660
>>33465664
Well shit, I know it's good but I underestimated the little bastard. In my defense it's getting hard to catch up with powercreep sometimes.

>>33465651
azelf was ou in gens 4, 5, and 6

>>33465547
>hawlucha
>aurora veil
It rose because of rain retard.

RU and UU are going to be fucking bloodbaths, Jesus

>>33465685
It rose because of Tapu synergy

>>33465719
and 90% of time it's partnered with koko on rain.

>Smogon-Wash dropped one tier
>"HURR CONKELDURR Decidueye dropped to RU"
>nobody noticed that Smogon's "favorite Pokémon" dropped

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>>33465736
Lando's in UU??

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>Gengar | 4.170% |

Fuck you GF

>>33465444
>>33465489
>>33465501
How in the fuck is this surprising at all? Dugtrio has been cucking it out of existence this entire gen.

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>>33465426
>Dragonite from BL to OU

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>UU
I never thought this day would come.

>>33465600
You could also add Ludicolo to that rain lineup and still no weaknesses would be shared.

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>mega gardevoir is UU
>hitachi is UU
>mega latios is UU
>mega gallade is UU
>rotom wash is UU
>hoopa unbound is UU
>mega altaria is UU

>>33465780
and still x4 weakness to ice

>>33465781

*Latias

Mega Latios can't drop to UU, because Latios itself is still OU.

>>33465736

rotom wash was smogon's favorite pokémon 5 years ago retard

>>33465787
Freeze-Dry, rather.

>>33465780
And the freeze dry weakness to boot.
>>33465781
Hey phoneposter, Latios is still OU nigga. And at least two of those are getting quickBL'd.

>>33465774
Fucking memearrows man

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>>33465426
Owlfags BTFO

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when will UU stop banning everything and accept that power creep has increased the average viability of an UU pokémon?

>>33465781
>mega gardevoir is just a worse lele
>jirachi is just a worse magearna
>mega latios has always been garbage and isn't even UU since it's base form is OU
>mega gallade was UU/BL last gen
>dude zygarde lmao
>dude dugtrio lmao
>mega altaria was UU/BL last gen

>>33465465
School shooter owlfags are crying

>>33465812
Zygarde atleast has the fact of a 600 BST it would be embarrasing not be atleast OU with that.

>>33465764
It's not about Dugtrio, it's about Hoopa-U being too fucking good for UU. It's getting sent straight to BL hell to live with Staraptor and Buzzwole.

>>33465830
Say that to all the legendary Pokemon that aren't OU. At the end, of the day, raw BST isn't that important.

>>33465855
>scizor used U-turn!

>>33465855
Next month Hoopa-U is going to BL hell that's damn sure.

>>33465812
Mega Gallade's in a great speed tier and it gets there turn 1 now. That's a major improvement from last gen.

And Jirachi has Z-Happy Hour. An omniboost blacklisted Porygon-Z, it'll get Jirachi too.
>>33465877
I give it two days. I think that's more than Manaphy got.

>>33465872
Yes, anon, Pokemon have weaknesses. Thing is, Hoopa can outspeed and OHKO Scizor.
>252 Atk Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Scizor: 406-478 (118.3 - 139.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>33465877

next month hoopa is going to back to OU, once arena trap is banned

>>33465830
Celebi, Cresselia, regular Diancie, Goodra, Jirachi, Kommo-o, Meleotta, Metagross, Necrozma, Salamence, land Shaymin, Victini, and Volcanion say hi.

i know why I stopped playing smogon.

I played all metas since the beginning of GS Simulator then netbattle, then shoddy battle and showdown and all I can say is, this is the worst meta of all time, and this comes from someone who never complained about anything and I am always in the top20 up to top3 in the end of every meta.

>>33465886
Not really comaparable. Porygon Z not only got an omniboost, but at the same time changed to a broken offensive typing that was further boosted by adaptability, with bolt beam coverage to top it all off. Not to say Jorachi isn't gonna be good, because it has its advantages over it, but you can't generalize by saying that.

>>33465855
>It's not about Dugtrio, it's about Hoopa-U being too fucking good for UU.
The thing is, Hoopa-U would be solidly OU If not for Duggy. Dugtrio pretty much leaves it unable to function properly in OU.
>It's getting sent straight to BL hell to live with Staraptor and Buzzwole.
Probably but it will shoot back up into OU once Arena Trap gets banned.

>>33465938
Arena Trap Is not getting banned trust me.

>>33465928
You're not wrong, but Jirachi also has all the paraflinch shenanigans it's been known for on top of that omniboost. And it's a steel type, solid base 100 all around. It won't hit like a freight train like PZ but it won't need to to get the boot.

>>33465953
The thread right now seems solidly pro ban. As opposed to last thread where it was very divided.

>>33465964
Last thread was pretty pro ban too until that one guy swooced in with his essay

>>33465964
I think that the problem Isn't Arena trap but Duggy itself.

>>33465953
hahaha

Do you think Xurkitree will have a chance once Arena Trap is inevitably banned?

>>33465978
No.
It was very split throughout the entire suspect.
"Le essay saved duggy"' is a shit meme.

Reminder that "removing switching is inherently Uncompetitive(tm)" also applies to Magnet Pull and Pursuit.

>>33466004
t. low ladder

>>33465803
>Incineroar is struggling and failing in NU, will drop to PU and also struggle and fail there
>Decidueye was comfy in UU and will be extra comfy in RU
What did the baraturd mean by "Owlfags BTFO"?

>>33466004
>an ability that is niche as fuck and only traps steel types as opposed to everything that doesn't fly or levitate
>a move that only functions well if the opponent tries to switch
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

Why don't they make OU bigger?

>You lived long enough to see Rotom-W not be OU anymore
I don't like change

>>33465855
>smeargle used accelbug

>>33466051
accelbug is fucking broken, nerf when

>>33466044
Why?
The stuff that just dropped is legitimately not very viable. Making OU bigger would just trap them in a tier were they aren't good.
>inb4 "b-but BL"
sure some of them will get booted to BL, but not all of them. Rotom-W is unlikely to get banned.

>>33466051

>machop used accelfighting

>>33466067
>smeargle hung onto its focus sash!
>smeargle used accelfairy

If the UU tards are just going to ban 90% of what drops, why not just create a new tier that takes the bottom 1/3rd of OU and top 2/3rd of UU so the UU autists can stop having a meltdown every usage update?

NU is the era of spike stacking now

>>33466023
Incineroar will get intimidate in the future, and has a promising outlook on move tutors. Knock off in particular. Decidueye's future is much more bleak.

I don't like starter wars either or incineroar but there's an objective truth to the competitive nature of pokemon and it doesn't like the owl.

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>>33465774
Maybe people will hate my bro less now haha who am I kidding

Heliolisk for PU when? I fucking hated his

>>33466076

the UU counsel needs to accept that the pokémon that are UU this generation are stronger than previous generations, stop banning everything new, and let weaker pokémon drop to RU. it doesn't make sense that they're trying to keep the relative viability of pokémon in UU at a certain level even as the average strength of OU pokémon goes up every gen

>>33466082
>muh intimidate
Fuck off. Intimidate ain't gonna change jackshit. It will still be PU trash.

>>33466082
While we're on the subject of starters, with all this formerly top-tier talent dropping down, how badly is that going to hit Primarina?

>>33466096
They are just lagging behind two generations. UU now is pretty much gen 5 OU.

>>33466105
nice meme

>>33466105
Maybe if you remove weather and add megas

Not really all that similar

>>33465600
>>33465732
>Pelipper, Kingdra, Mega Swampert, Tapu Koko, and Hawlucha on the same team

JUST

>>33466121
and ferrothorn

Are the non-rain weathers viable? Or are they still just gimmicky shit?

>>33466131

mega charizard y is viable
tyranitar and mega tyranitar are viable
excadrill is viable

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>ubers to bl in one gen
good night sweet prince

>>33466131
Hail is but only due to AV

>>33466103
Probably not a lot, specs water/fairy attacks plus coverage, I think the thing that comes closest to it are the megas with pixellate.

>>33466101
Enjoy your denial, my bootyblasted anonymous user.

>>33466137
I said weather, as in, weather teams, not just teams that coincidentally have a weather-mon and that's as far as they go.

>>33466103
Hard to say. I though it was going to see less usage with Xurkitree/Mega-Beedrill/Mega Sceptile etc. dropping a few months ago but it really didn't seem to care and this month it was the forth most used in the tier.

>>33465677
People have to stop thinking Azelf still does nothing but suicide lead. 125/125/115 offenses, access to Nasty Plot and good coverage is nothing to laugh at.

>>33466156
>People have to stop thinking Azelf still does nothing but suicide lead.
99% of people use it exactly just and only for that though.

>>33466101
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Faggot, it's already raised upwards even without Intimidate. You lose.

>>33466156
Find a replay with azelf that does anything but explode

Lol Mega Absol and Zydoge have already been banned from RU
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-ru-stage-4-electric-love-reuniclus-mega-absol-and-zygarde-10-banned.3611512/#post-7498096

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>mega heracross drops to UU

>>33466156
SR/explosion/fireblast/hp ice is the most common set

>>33466163
>>33466170
>>33466175
That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's not that it doesn't do the suicide lead job well, but that's not all there is to it.

>>33466195

psychic type makes it pretty mediocre offensively, though it does have good offensive stats and a good special movepool. it might work in lower tiers, i've never tried it

>>33466195
That's not all there is means fuck all if no one fucking uses it because using the boring copypaste smogon set will be more efficient 99% of the time. Charizard can still pull bellyzard, does that mean it is more viable than a DD set? Obviously not. Just because "it can do that too" doesn't mean it should do that.

>>33466023
>Decidueye comfy in UU
You have to be really retarded to think that.

>>33466023
>x was comfy in a tier it just dropped from
lmao
what the hell does "comfy" even tries to say in this context? it's like you were at a lack of words

>>33466216
>Charizard can still pull bellyzard, does that mean it is more viable than a DD set? Obviously not.
h-hey, don't hurt my tender madman heart

>>33466216
bellyzard would still be viable if fucking smogon just implemented edgar clause

>>33466250
What's edgar clause?

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>>33466263

>>33466270
lol

>>33466270
lol

>>33465820
You think the owlfags will shoot up a school tomorrow?

>>33466232
I doubt I need to tell you this, but something can be viable outside of its tier without warranting a shift. Mega Camerupt has a fun niche in terrain wars with sheer force nature power, as an example.

Granted that's absolutely not the case with decidueye, that's just a hopeless owlfag clinging for hope.

>>33466263
>>33466270
Good times.

>| 20 | Mimikyu | 9.527% |
Why?

UU just banned Hoopa, Mega Heracross, and Mega Gallade.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sm-uu-stage-4-scary-monsters.3614035/
>>33466171
This too. This tier shift is fucking insane.

>>33466291

it's good on HO

>>33466291
Where have you been? Mimikyu has been good in OU since the start of the gen.

>>33466291
Mimikyu is godly on aurora veil/stickywebs/birdspam etc.

>>33466296
Damn that was fast

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>>33466291

>>33466047
nigga just need scald
hydro miss and will o miss a shit

>>33466307
>>33466316
Last month Mimikyu was on 34th place if I remember correctly

>>33466324
Isn't that for battlespot?
>>33466340
Birdspam wasn't a thing a month ago

>>33466338
>scald rotom-wash
Pls no, it's supposed to wash away the cancer, not become it...

>>33466340

HO has been getting used more lately with aurora veil

>>33466343
>Isn't that for battlespot?
It is, but it gives you an idea about where the playerbase's priorities are

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>>33465466
Gen 6 OU=Gen 7 UU
Gen 7 OU= Gen 6 Ubers

>>33466360
stop being a retard

>>33466360
nice meme

>>33466296
wew

>>33466354
Battlespot's still a different meta than OU. Mimikyu's ability becomes exponentially better the less pokemon there are in play.

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>>33466371
>>33466372
Lol why? So many ou last gen mons are in uu now, and all the new ou mons are power creeped so hard they could be ubers

>>33466296
This is what, 22 in BL now?

>>33466354
It's a different system. Not to question Mimikyu's viability in 6v6, but it's much better in a 3v3 environment.

>>33466417
because it's a shit meme

>>33466296
They're suspect testing both megas to see whether they belong, though. I think that's pretty cool, and understand why might as well not even bother with Hoopa-U.

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>>33466437
well shit, ya got me I guess?

What SM tutor additions could shake this shit up harder?

>>33466417

>all the new ou mons are power creeped so hard they could be ubers

how good a pokémon has to be to be banned to ubers is a function of how good it is relative to the pokémon in OU. stop being retarded

>>33466464
stop replying to such obvious bait

>>33466453
unrelated but I just want metronome back

>>33466472

bait implies that the person is deliberately being stupid to get responses. he's not deliberately being stupid, he just doesn't know what he's talking about and thinks he does

>>33466453
Knock off for literally anything
Elemental punches for Bewear, Alolan Muk, Tapu Koko
That's just the top of my head, and assuming no new move tutors like ORAS.

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PREASU BANNU DISSU SHITTU

>>33466453
Giving Ash-Greninja the same treatment the Protean form received from ORAS would suffice for a suspect, I think.
Come to think of it, that could turn out dope for some of the UBs as well.

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>>33466453
Garchomp gets DD

>>33466453
In addition to the old staples from ORAS:
Sucker Punch
Accelerock
Shore Up (for every Rock and Ground-type)
Ice Hammer
Beak Blast
Shell Smash (for every cocoon Pokemon, every turtle Pokemon, every armor-plated Pokemon, etc)
Power Trip
Shadow Bone
Speed Swap (for stuff like Reuniclus)
Strength Sap (for everything that learns Leech Seed)

>>33466482
>buffing tapu koko

>>33466482
>elemental punches for koko
shit that would be too good, I can see that happening
also play rough through tutors tapus learn it

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>>33466505
>move tutor accelerock
Hell yeah, that would make me rock hard

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>>33466484
stallcuck detected

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>>33466496
>Gunk shot Ash-Greninja

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>>33466544

>Smeargle moved from OU to UU
Are web teams going to become a thing in UU?

>>33466482
I want extensive distribution of sucker punch and drain punch. A-Muk and regular muk should get both. It would be cool if Guzzlord gained access to both as well.

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>>33466544
>mixed LO/choice band GEKKOUGA would finally become usable
the first few days would be lovely

>>33465426
>Jirachi moving to UU
Goddammit and two days after I started playing UU, fuck this shit.
>Megacross
>Latias-Mega
>Mega-Manectric
>Hoopa-Unbound
>Rotom-W

JESUS

>>33466589
Don't worry, Latias and Hoopa are gonna be quickbanned.

>>33466598
Hoopa already got quickbanned.

>>33466589
I ran to UU to escape the power creep, but it hasn't even been half a gen and it's catching up to me yet again.
Fuck this I'm playing RU.

>>33466589
Good news, Hoopa and Hera are already out. I wager Jirachi's next.

>>33466625
>he only plays one tier

>>33466625
Good luck with that, powercreep will just hit RU soon enough.

>>33466291
He's essentially this gen's Talonflame but infinitely less cancerous.

>>33466023
>comfy in UU
>C+ and requested for a drop

Your definition of comfy is weird.

>>33465984
no one uses an electric type that isn't top kek so don't get your hopes up

>>33466505
Oh wait, forgot one.
Bolt Strike (for every Electric-type with 100+ base Attack)

>>33466682
How is it even remotely comparable? Talonflame was a literal death sentence to anything weak to flying. Mimikyu just has one turn to do whatever the fuck it wants, but is otherwise a pretty mediocre pokemon if you don't use up it's ability at an opportune time.

I just hope a fucking tier reset happens when USUM comes out. BL is way too fucking populated.

>>33466505
>Samurott getting Shell Smash finally

>>33466698
>Zebstrika and Luxray get new toys
>Hell give them Zing Zap too

GOD FUCKING YES

>>33466726
And wait months for the lower tiers to come out? No thanks.

>>33466667
In gen 8

>>33465611
That's why you use Ferrothorn.

>>33465812
>>jirachi is just a worse magearna
Jirachi is a hard counter to Magearna actually.

>>33466809
Wouldn't magearna just calm mind in its face?
Iron head isn't doing much back.

>>33466360
But the Gen 6 Uber just dropped to BL hell.

Stop following Smogon cult rules
Stop forcing people to play by Smogon cult rules
Learn to think for yourselves

>>33466851
>think for myself
>Battle Spot is gay
>VGC is retarded
>conclude that despite retarded policies Smogon is still the best one

>>33466851
How many times are you going to post this? Smogon offers different metas. Stop being retarded.

>>33466482
>Elemental punches for Bewear
It already has Ice and Thunder through breeding, give that nigga Drain Punch

>>33466496
>suffice for a suspect
Suffice for a quickban more like.
HE

>>33466863
>>33466864
t. sheeplets who cannot think for themselves

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>>33466505
>Shell Smash (for every armor-plated Pokemon)

>>33466851
>entering a civil thread with no interest in contributing constructively
>poor man's vargposting
>antismogon because that's hip and trendy
3 strikes, get out.

>>33466886
Already covered by the "for every cocoon Pokemon" clause, actually.

>>33466851
>think for myself
>conclude that I like smogon
Stop being part of antismogon cult
Stop forcing people into antismogon cult
Learn to think for yourselves

>>33466838
>Magearna uses Calm Mind
>Jirachi uses Z-Happy Hour

>>33466505
>Shell Smash
>Shell Smash Salamence, Tyranitar, Kommo'o
That's not shaking up the meta, that's snapping it in half.

>>33466504
>Garchomp gets DD
I feel like since the introduction of fairy type....
This wouldn't be as big of a deal as it used to be....

Aside from the butthurt from the flygon lovers.

>>33466919
>mageana used heartwap

>>33466932
Fairies aren't the problem in this case. Base 102 speed and already massive attack is.

>>33466932
Honestly, Garchomp deserves DD more than Flyshit.

>>33466932
>it wouldn't be as big a deal because Fairies, guys!
>it's not like Garchomp has a great speed tier, base 130 attack, and STAB Earthquake!
anon, it's way too much with Z-moves flying around everywhere

>>33466851
Stop following VGC cult rules
Stop forcing people to play by VGC cult rules
Learn to think for yourself

>>33466932
>fucking fairies amirite...
Just stop. Please.

>>33465808
because it's still just a few outlier pokemon that would make the tier unplayable. I'd much rather it be like this than a shitty centralized meta that completely changes every time usage stats drop

>>33466708
because he's a hard wall revenge killer that keeps things from ever attempting to set up

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Found these cool pics in the smogon thread.
OU.

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RU

>>33466708
Sorry had to leave before I had a chance to answer but essentially this >>33467072 . If something sets up speed or essentially rapes the shit out of your team you can pretty much have a safe chance at revenge killing or weakening it with Mimikyu the same way Tflame would brave bird the fuck out of it.

>>33465438
It didn't drop to NU yet, so no, you can't.

>>33465444
Power creep.

>>33465465
Both are NU shitmons.

>>33465501
OU has such stringent standards now that anything that was OU last gen is now in UU.

>>33465537
Some of these fucking Megas and Hoopa Unbound are definitely BL.

The ones that are staying are Mega Ampharos, Mega Gardevoir, and Mega Altaria.

>>33465586
And then they ban the broken shitmons to BL.

>>33465638
That's what happens when you severely nerf Talonflame's only niche.

>>33465820
They'll continue to cry once that shit drops to NU.

>>33465984
Hahahahahahaha... No.

>>33466076
They should seriously make more tiers to avoid BL nonsense. (And also make an even worse PU tier so all of those unviable NFE shitmons can get a shot.)

>>33466101
Being a bulky pivot with Intimidate, a Burn immunity, no Fairy weakness, etc. will make it NU worthy.

>>33466103
Not too much. Has a really amazing offensive typing and coverage. Tutors might be kind to it and give it some decent support moves to work with.

>>33466360
True. That's the definition of power creep.

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>>33467112
we should use this for the next "ou the experience"

>>33467140
Don't reply to that many people, you look like a compulsive autist with a need to broadcast your thoughts on every nuance. Considering half of your comments are completely worthless, that's likely the case, but I'm telling you anyway on the off-chance you manage to gain some self-awareness

>>33467193
Why the fuck not? Can't tell me what to do.

>>33466103
The only way it could drop is that Jirachi doesn't end up quickbanned in UU since that tier is super lacking in special walls AKA Primarina's main enemies.

>>33467140
>>>33466101
>Being a bulky pivot with Intimidate, a Burn immunity, no Fairy weakness, etc. will make it NU worthy.
Maybe even a little higher. It's not terribly different from Arcanine with Intimidate.

If nothing else in the current meta, it's quite likely VGC usage will trend upwards with it's HA. Sure, it doesn't have as much Speed by default or Extreme Speed but Speed isn't as important when you're defensive anyway (which it's extra bulk will help with) and it does also get Fake Out and a move that ignores stat changes which Arcanine doesn't. Even gets STAB on Snarl.

>>33466741
I'll take an eventual tier where I can finally use Staraptor and like 20 other mons and they work rather than "Too strong for 1 tier too weak for the other" forever

>>33467812
BL will always exist unless you want UU to become a garbage unbalanced mess.

>>33467839
with a tier reset UU would be hit by a powercreep to where banned shit would mostly become legal since BL is so big

>>33467844
>with a tier reset UU would be hit by a powercreep to where banned shit would mostly become legal since BL is so big
If everything that's in BL currently dropped back down into UU, most of them would immediately get banned again.

>>33467140
Literal autism.

>>33467860
Alakazam
Azumarill
Breloom
Buzzwole
Conkeldurr
Diggersby tho
M-Gallade
Gyarados and M-Gyarados
M-Heracross
Hoopa-U
M-Houndoom
Porygon-Z
Mence
Scoliopede
Serperior
Staraptor
Both Thundurus
Tornadus-I
Victini
Xurxitree

sounds like the upper half of a tier to me

>>33465600
Guess what gf their favorite type is

(You)

>Showdown hasn't been updated yet so I can't break UU
come on Sega

>Zard X is on the edge of dropping out of OU

WTFFFF WHYYYYYYY :'(

>>33467993
Because it's a shit. Good fucking riddance.

Why is Zygarde used if Power Construct is banned.

>>33467993
>meanwhile Ash-Greninja is close to the top of it

Really makes you think who really won that fight.......

>>33468070
Because Ground is the best offensive type in the fucking game when its immunity is removed from the equation.

>>33467993
About fucking time!

>>33467993
divine justice

>>33467880
Literal asshole.

>>33467993
Fairy and Ground meta. Outclassed as DD.

>>33467993
Lion of healthy meta and the star of healthy stall.

>>33468162
>le fairy meme
Literally none of the fairys in OU beat zard x bar tapu fini.
The actual reason zard x is shit is because everyone is overpreped for volcarona with 101+ speed scarfers and zard x suffers heavily from 4mss.

>>33467112
>51 OU mons
>10 Fairy
>10 Steel
>9 Water
In case anyone had some doubts about what types are the best

>>33468315
>theres only 3 rock types in OU
>2 of them are tyranitar
It's not fair

>>33468315
Gotta love Rain Dance :^)

>>33468352
>rain dance
>when pelipper exists

>>33467112
>>33468315
>only 4 Fighting types
>somehow, Hawlucha is one of them

>>33468315
Does Protean Greninja really count?

>>33468361
I meant to type Rain but my retard brain filled in Dance for me.

>>33468315
Can't hurt to do all of them

>10 fairy
>10 steel
>9 water
>9 flying
>7 dragon
>6 ground
>6 dark
>5 fire
>4 grass
>4 psychic
>3 electric
>3 poison
>3 rock
>3 bug
>3 ghost
>3 fighting
>2 normal
>2 ice

>>33468368
It does if we're also counting ttar twice.

>>33465426
I know people are going crazy over Hoopa but what the hell happened to Rotom-W? I remember it being #1 OU at one point during the last generation.

>>33468396
>3 ghost
>megasab
>gengar
>alolawak
>mimikyu

>>33468400
Burn nerf + better bulky waters exist now.
Also rotom-w is a blanket check for physical attackers, but zygarde and bulu, some of the best physical attackers in the tier, eat it for breakfast.

>>33468396
>counting ttar twice
My point wasn't that there were two Greninjas. One has Protean.

>>33468400
>last generation
Expect a lot more surprises if you've been out of the loop for a while.
The answer you're looking for is Thousand Arrows.

>>33468315
>>33468396
You are both wrong. The correct list( counting megas as diffrerent mons) is
>11 Steel
>10 Fairy
>9 Water
>9 Flying
>7 Dragon
>6 Dark
>5 Ground
>5 Fire
>4 Ghost
>4 Fighting
>4 Psychic
>4 Grass
>3 Electric
>3 Rock
>2 Ice
>2 Bug
>2 Poison
>2 Normal

>>33465651
Azelf was OU in ORAS nigger

>>33467112
>Gartrash all the way down there
Good

>>33468479
t. Flygon

>>33467112
12 Gen 1 (Including Megas)
5 Gen 2 (Including Megas)
6 Gen 3 (Including Megas)
6 Gen 4 (Including Megas)
6 Gen 5
5 Gen 6
11 Gen 7 (Including Alolan Formes+Ash Greninja)

>>33468498
If alola forms are gen 7 shouldn't all megas be gen 6?

>>33468506
Alolan Forms are pretty much entirely different Pokemon while Mega Evolution involves the base Pokemon

>>33468516
Pretty irrelevant since they're considered separate pokemon in regards to smogon tiering and were all introduced in gen 6.

>>33468524
in that case

5 Gen 1
3 Gen 2
1 Gen 3
5 Gen 4
6 Gen 5
15 Gen 6 (Including all Megas)
11 Gen 7 (Including Alolan Formes+Ash Greninja)

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>>33468537
>1 Gen 3

>>33468537
2 gen 3. Standard jet plane (male) and toiletbird of eternal flooding.

>>33468548
You mean the Drizzle bird?

>>33468553
yes he did just say toiletbird of eternal flooding

>>33468492
I don't care about Flygon, but Garshit needs to go. Luckily it looks like it's one power creep away from getting BTFO after its failure of a mega failed to prolong its competitive relevance. Maybe I can start playing OU again.

>>33468588
unless something specifically beats it, Garchomp will be OU for 3 more gens at this rate. This is also assuming its gets nothing whatsoever to help it.

>>33468588
if you think garchomp is more annoying to play against than about half of the tier then maybe you should stay away from OU

>>33468588
Garchomp is probably the oumon I mind the least.

>>33468458
>>2 Bug
M-Pinsir
M-Scizor
Volcarona

>>33465651
stop insulting gnome!!!

>>33465443
I know right? Good on it

>>33465426
NO
ONE
GIVES
A
FUCKING
SHIT

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>>33465426
>Hoope move from OU to UU
JUST POWERCREEP MY SHIT UP SENPAI

>>33465736
What a time to be alive...

>>33466505
I thought shell smash went to pokemon that had defense as the highest stat, or at least tied with sp.defense

>>33466883
dude they think diferently from me so tehy must be sheep XDDD

>>33466544

Went Naive on mine just for when that happens.

>>33468315
The Cosmic type should be made just to nerf Water and Fairy

>>33468070

Everyone thought Zygarde would be good when Thousand Arrows was released when people found it in XY's code. Surprise, people were right.

>>33470299
>let's make a new type to nerf a broken one!
That's worked out well exactly once out of three tries. Steel is borked, Fairy is borked, Dark is okay.

>>33470205
You cared enough to make a post

>BL will be nearly half the size of UU soon

>>33465808
there's one simple undeniable truth
if it's more powerful than staraptor it cannot be UU

>>33465886
Kommo-o is gonna get an omniboost
it won't even make it to UU

>>33470430
It might, honestly. Not any higher though, since unlike PZ's freight train power and Jirachi's everything, that's all it has going for it. Not to mention Kommo will have a harder time reaching that boost since It can't freely use Soulblaze with a possible fairy switch in around. Move tutors in Ultra could say otherwise but I doubt it.

>>33470461
I feel like for kommo-o to work it would need drain punch given a soulblaze set would have no form of recovery

>>33470343
Why does the site even let the UU council get away with constantly banning shit anyway? The entire point of tiers in Smogon is that they are based on usage, so obviously as time goes on things that were good aren't as good anymore, so they drop and everything else sort of follows suit. It seems like ONLY the UU council has this arbitrary definition of balance where only some of what drops from OU should be allowed while everything else gets ducked into BL obscurity. I'm also 100% sure that they keep things like Staraptor in BL as a joke. It's just fucking stupid, the BL is set to be the same damn size as Ubers if this keeps up

>>33470343
If BL even gets larger than UU do you think we'll get to have a BL tier?

>>33470482
Staraptor isn't kept as a joke, it's a very powerful pokemon
it's fairly common knowledge Staraptor needs 1 stat point in speed to make it to OU

and they do test things, it just turns out that certain pokemon are almost impossible to stop without OU tier walls to keep them in check. Porygon-z is a good example of this, in UU it simply doesn't have switchins

>>33470493
it's not a coincidence that virtually all the BL pokemon are powerful offensive pokemon that aren't used in OU because another offensive pokemon fills their role slightly better

in fact the only defensive pokemon in BL is mega-slowbro

>http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-08/gen7ou-1825.txt
>| 3 | Toxapex | 20.10006% | 433137 | 9.722% | 332674 | 9.835% |
>I 5 | Clefable | 18.66981% | 297129 | 6.669% | 224041 | 6.623% |
>| 6 | Dugtrio | 18.48352% | 319444 | 7.170% | 228908 | 6.767% |
>| 9 | Chansey | 15.44304% | 324512 | 7.284% | 246449 | 7.286% |
Stall on the high ladder is worse than ever. Hopefully the Arena Trap Ban will fix it a bit

>>33467891
There isn't a single defensive, tank or bulky pivot Pokemon among them. Conveniently most of them do not have any UU-available defensive, tank or bulky pivot Pokemon capable of stopping them from guaranteed wallbreaking (a third of that list), dancing around every single would-be counter (Breloom, Thundurus, Tornadus) or just sweeping entire teams outright (majority of the list). Buzzwole is a shame because it's a very cool pivot on its own, but its offensive capabilities are a little too much for the tier.
The playability of any 6v6 format depends entirely on preventing situations where a single Pokemon can easily plow through an entire team with some help from its teammates, invalidating the entire purpose of playing with and against six Pokemon. This makes at least some defensive countermeasures a necessity for every team except Hyper Offense, which can affort to run multiple revenge killers to deal with a wide range of things that could get out of hand.
An in-between tier is never happening, unless multiple walls/tanks/bulky pivots that are OU by usage are forcibly brought down to it, which is not happening either.

>>33470635
He did neglect Mega Slowbro

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>>33465426
>Caring about smogon ever

>>33470657
That mon is absurdly broken both defensively (impossible to kill without STAB SE attacks) and offensively (Calm Mind setup + no toxic = gg) by UU standards.

>>33470312
Steel only become borked after fairy's introduction, so I'mma say two out of three times.

>all those drops to UU

titus

get the BL

>>33470668
Same, anon. Smh.

>>33470812
>3 Steel-types in Gen II OU
>5 Steel-types in Gen III OU
>10 Steel-types in Gen IV OU
>10 Steel-types in Gen V OU
>10 Steel-types in Gen VI OU
I'd say Steel was borked for a while before the introduction of Fae. The addition of powerful Dragon offense in Gen IV is what did it. No one minded as much because Dragon was also broken as fuck so having a type that could stand up to The Button was a godsend.