Will there ever be a Pokémon game with as much love put

USUM

>>33355726
They're the most popular both here and outside on more normie sites so they must be doing something right.

>>33355730
I hope so, anon. I sincerely hope so.

Pokewalker was amazing

Black 2 and White 2.

>>33355753
Agreed, I have no idea why they never revisited that concept.

>>33355753
>tfw there will never be a flashcart with an IR sensor in it to allow you to use the pokewalker
>there will never be a way to enable the Pokewalker in romhacks and shit

>>33355754
This
>>33355748
Im optimistic, I really enjoyed SM besides the game long tutorial so

Umm idk

>>33355756
The best part is that it could work without even having an external device, since the 3DS had a pedometer built in.

>>33355754
Personally I preferred Black and White over Black2and White2. Black and White felt so fresh, Black2 and White2 felt like a national dex hack of Black and White with a few new features added in.

>>33355760
I'm optimistic too, considering USM is essentially the B2W2 of this generation.

>>33355771
>USM is essentialy the BW2 of this generation
And ORAS was essentially the HGSS of this (console) generation. Just saying.

>>33355785
ORAS simply tried to do to much. If they cut the delta episode it would have been fine

>>33355789
Hgss wasn't fine it was went above and beyond fine

>>33355798
Apples and oranges anon

>>33355771
is it? I thought it was more like third version turned into two. Will it have an original story like BW2 did?

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>2009 - Platinum
>2010 - HGSS
>2011 - Black and White
>2012 - Black 2 and White 2
>The four best games in the entire series all in a row
What a time that was to be a Pokemon fan.

>>33355814
Its essentially an alternate timeline

>>33355820
Forgot XY numbass

>>33355827
no i didn't

>>33355835
XY are great anon

>>33355820
It was pretty great, but I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as I should have. I was a bit unmotivated at the time.
I'm replaying Platinum right now and will play the games in that exact order, to try to at least make up for it a bit.

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>>33355838
They're probably the worst games in the series, but whatever.

Rip Mr. Iwata

>>33355850
Uhm anon thatd be ORAS

>>33355853
Not really, but fuck off either way, this is a HGSS thread.

>>33355850
bait

Morimoto the god. Give this man another chance to direct.

>>33355858
Nah, ORAS is far and above XY simply because it's in Hoenn

Hopefully Pokemon Switch

I still have my pokewalker. It has a level 99 shiny magikarp. I'm at 680k steps, and debating whether I should transfer him now and restart, or wait until I reach a million.

>>33355991
Mine is temporarily lost. I know for a fact it didn't leave the house, but finding it will be a pain and a half. I should try to soon, and the battery is likely dead.

>>33356048
All the battery keeps track of is steps anyway. Your sent pokemon along with any caught Pokemon, items and watts are still stored.

>>33355932
Hoenn fags are gay

>>33355768
>The best part is that it could work without even having an external device, since the 3DS had a pedometer built in.

Yeah it COULD, but as a regular jogger, I find a phone in my pocket annoying. Fuck lugging around a 3ds.

>>33356080
I'm a HGSSfag but I meant to quote the other guy.

>>33355820
Anon, HG/SS has great atmosphere but as a game it's kinda meh.

>>33356596
The only issues with HGSS are the level curve, and some Gen II pokemon STILL being unavailable until after the E4. That's it.

I don't even like Johto, but there was a ton of things to do in HGSS. Pokeathlon, Pokewalker, revamped Kanto, rematches, radio stations, and GB Sounds give the game a whole bunch of content. There's also plenty of great concepts from DPPt that were carried over, like the Frontier.

I'd argue that the only ones that come close are BW2 and ORAS, but both have their own problems. BW2's problem is the implementation of all the new content and features, most of the more interesting ones are locked behind weird obtain methods, like difficulty settings not only being version exclusive, but also postgame-only, unless you've got a friend with the right version who already beat it for you. Plenty of Memory Link exclusive content, like rematches and N's Pokemon, could've also been easily implemented without the use of an original BW1 save, and would've been standard content if it were HGSS rather than something locked.
ORAS's problem is its absolute disregard to good features implemented in Emerald. While ORAS includes plenty of new features of its own and shares almost all of XY's positives, it throws out many good ideas introduced in Emerald, like stronger enemy teams to make the main game more enjoyable, and the Battle Frontier, a way to give the games even more single player replayability.

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>>33355789
>ORAS simply tried to do to much.

>>33356641
>tfw to content packed too have BF

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>>33356737
>too "content" packed to have a Safari Zone
>too "content" packed to have berry blender game
>too "content" packed to have Game Corner replacement
>too "content" packed to at least not copy/paste Battle Maison with the same character models as XY
>too "content" packed to have post game

>>33355823
Yes, like Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum, not B2/W2.

The former are directer's cuts (modified versions of the same base game), the latter is a sequel (a continuation from the previous game).

>>33355757
that's why I still play it on handheld.

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>>33355726
and despite that i still hate hgss, and nearly everyone here love it
i always try to like it but i just fucking can't

>>33356802
I do too but it would be cool to have modified Pokewalker routes for rom hacks and stuff. The Pokewalker doesn't actually store data for the routes, so completely custom pokewalker routes are "possible" but pointless as of now because there's no way for a modified ROM to interact with a Pokewalker and no way to emulate the Pokewalker.

I feel like all of gen 3 and 4 were very passion-driven
They were taking it pretty seriously and has everything laid out

Everything afterwards feels too much like part of a cycle, but I think gen 6 and 7 have a lot of heart

>>33355789
>remove content
Make it better?

>>33356856
More isn't always a good thing

>>33356753
>>too "content" packed to have a Safari Zone
But it does have a Safari Zone. They just removed the stupid limitations of steps, etc.
>too "content" packed to have berry blender game
Adding an other berry related minigame instead (Berry Picker from Amie)
>too "content" packed to have Game Corner replacement
Adding other minigames instead (puzzle making from Amie, headups from Amie, and Super Training).
>too "content" packed to at least not copy/paste Battle Maison with the same character models as XY
Literally what HGSS did.
>too "content" packed to have post game
Delta Episode, Pokemon League rematches, Battle Island, postgame Secret Base , Mirage Spots, tons of legendary hunting.

Try harder next time.

>>33355730
What makes you think so?

>>33355726
no

>>33355726
>tfw decided to put aside pokemon just as hgss hype was starting because i thought i was outgrowing pokemon
regret it now that im getting back into it again. johto was my favorite region.

>>33358972
/thread

>>33358954
>delta episode
Literally "fly here, then here, then here, then battle moontits, then fly here, then fly here, then battle moontits again, then get two free legendaries" the episode, the experience. It's a glorified fetch quest.
>league rematches
Whoop dee doo, their pokes got a level boost and some better moves. Things must have gotten pretty dire if we're counting that as postgame.
>postgame legendaries
Again, literally just "fly here, get legendary". They wanted to make all non-mythical pokes available in ORAS + XY, so they just slapped some rings on the map for you to get. Some of them are even locked behind pure rng. Infuriating.
>tons of legendary hunting
Literally the only legendaries that actually required any hunting were the ones who returned from RSE. Sure, the Regi sidequest is great, but that's about it.
>secret bases
Literally who uses those
>Battle island
Granted, but even that was very limited.

>>33358988
>>secret bases
>Literally who uses those
I'm not gonna answer the rest of.your post, because now I now you are trolling, baiting, or just have shit taste ;)

>>33358988
>Literally "fly here, then here, then here, then battle moontits, then fly here, then fly here, then battle moontits again, then get two free legendaries" the episode, the experience. It's a glorified fetch quest.
This is spot on.
Made all the worse when you realize that this is why they didn't use Emerald as the base in the same way they used Crystal as the base for HGSS.

>>33356823
Actually you could rewrite the original cart with a modified rom

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>>33355827
xy is garbage

ORAS has some Emerald content. Not all of it.

HGSS has some Crystal content. Not all of it either.

It is a similar scenario for both games.

And FRLG didn't have any of Yellow's content at all.

So stop acting like ORAS did something unprecedented by not having all of Emerald's features.

>>33359061
ORAS has some Emerald content. Not all of it.

HGSS has some Crystal content. Not all of it either.

It is a similar scenario for both games.

And FRLG didn't have any of Yellow's content at all.

So stop acting like ORAS did something unprecedented by not having all of Emerald's features.

>>33359170
Why do you keep deleting this and then reposting it slightly differently? I smell a Redditor who can't deal with not having an edit button.

>>33359170
>HGSS has some Crystal content. Not all of it either.

What was it missing? Sneasel in the Ice path? That patch of grass by Sudowoodo? Because those are the only notable changes I can see. Eusine and Suicune were still there.

>>33355838
are you sure about that?

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>>33355820
>tfw I hate all four of these games but enjoy literally every other Pokemon game

>>33359204
Communication center features, GS ball, Kris

>>33359224
>japanese exclusive shit
Fuck off

The comms center was replaced by the gts

The gts ball was replaced by the spiky eared pichu event

Kris was replaced by lyra

>>33359204
Baby pokémon egg would have been nice to get from Day-care

>>33356641
You are a greedy asshole. ORAS did a lot. It's true.

>>33359403
No rooftop floor in Goldenrod Department Store.

No room decoration.

No sleeping Pokemon at night.

>>33360111
This is the nitpickiest shit

>>33358958
Hope

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No
And I THINK I've readed somewhere that even GF admitted it was a mistake to put so much content in one game

>>33360163
Just like most of your nitpicks towards ORAS.

>>33360631
Nah. It was just Morimoto's PR of the game.

>>33360631
Ohmori worst director confirmed

>>33360635
Different guy. I have only spoken about your misrepresentation of HGSS's content.

>>33356525
Still a faggot, XY are great games and deserve recognition

>>33360631
Can we all agree that Morimoto is the true king of pokemon game design?

>>33355768
>Black and White felt so fresh, Black2 and White2 felt like a national dex hack of Black and White with a few new features added in.
Honestly, I disagree. Aside from a ton of new features and locations, it also continued the story of BW, and honored its characters.

Gen V as a whole has a ton of heart. BW planted the seeds, and BW2 cultivated it as much as they could.

>>33359211
You hate Platinum over DP? And HGSS over GSC?

>>33360671
Masuda would like a word with you anon

>>33360671
I agree anon. I agree

>>33360713
Why? Does he want to tell me how unneeded and unwanted battle frontier is nowadays? And of course interesting postgame as a whole...

>>33360650
They're only good for quick playthroughs and you might as well play ORAS since it does the exact same shit except with an actual good region.

>>33360736
That ORAS interview is so blown out of proportion...

It is not what Masuda was even trying to say.

>>33360088
>fucked up Safari Zone
>fucked up Contests
>fucked up post game by excluding Battle Frontier
>fucked up by having nothing equally great to replace it

You're right anon, they did a lot.

>>33360635
>nitpicks
Excluding the Battle Frontier, the whole reason a shitload of people wanted remakes in the first place, is not a nitpick. Also, HGSS were great games, ORAS were just lazy garbage games suffering from the same lack of post game as XY and SM; but ORAS were remakes, games that were actual improvements over the older games and added new content, instead ORAS ended up being inferior to Emerald.

>>33360863
If fucked up = fixed, then yeah.

>>33361042
>fixed post game by excluding Battle Frontier
???

>>33360893
>>33361052
The BF wasn't excluded from ORAS. They just used the battle facility from the current gen. They always do that.

>>33361135
That's still not an excuse

>>33361135
It was excluded, Ohmori and Masuda literally said that it was their decision not to include it because people today wanted to be on their phones so having no extra content was great.

>>33361156
Which just shows that they know nothing about their hardcore fans at all.

>>33361142
It is nkt am excuse. It's a fucking.fact. GF always do that.

>>33361156
This was simply Masuda's bs excuse. Not the truth. He always says dumb anti PR shit for his games. Nothing new.

>>33361135
Not always. Fire red and leaf green got the completely new trainer tower instead of ruby and sapphires battle tower...

>>33361310
True, but FRLG's battle facility wasn't even a classic Battle Facility where you face randomly generated teams, and instead has the same teams and traimers each time you challenge it. So it doesn't even count as a classic Batte Facility where you pursue winning streaks.

Therefore I am more inclined to say FRLG didn't have a battle facility at all, but something entirely different that flopped.

I will never understand people who think HGSS can compare with emerald and B2W2. Those games were fun start to finish. This one is a slog to get through johto since they didn't change any of the terrible level scaling or awful johto Pokémon selection. The 2nd half is great but you have to spend 20 hours just to get there, which seriously ruins the experience for replays.

no

>>33361429
Valid argument, yes.

>>33359072
Bullshit, how?

>>33360692
Eh, I guess.

What I will say is that BW and B2W2 are basically RB and GS done right. I just think that much like with GS, the story was done with BW, and B2W2 felt tacked on because they wanted to have another game.

>>33360631
Morimoto > Masuda > Tajiri > Unno > Kawachimaru > Ohmori

>>33358954
>Adding an other berry related minigame instead (Berry Picker from Amie)
>Adding other minigames instead (puzzle making from Amie, headups from Amie, and Super Training).

are you really adding something if you just cant be bothered to remove it from the engine?

>>33363175
I'm with you on that. BW1's story pretty much resolved itself at the end without any need for a sequel. N learns that being idealistic and pursuing a world where Pokemon and humans live together/figuring out the real truth that there are humans that care about Pokemon crushes his false mindset, Cheren learns that being the strongest isn't anything special, and Bianca starts to focus more on helping Juniper out instead of wandering about aimlessly. There's even a postgame quest to arrest all of the Seven Sages to ensure no Team Plasma-like organization ever gets created again, but BW2 undoes all of that.
A lot of new features BW2 has feel more fanservice-oriented, too, rather than making nice twists on the formula. PWT is functionally less special than the Frontier and doesn't even have a streak, but people praise it as the best thing ever for having gym leader and champion skins, and there was a lot of useless things like the girlfriend and achievements that really didn't have a place in Pokemon.

>>33355726
I would not get my hopes up. It's extremely doubtful.

>>33363160
I forget how to do it, but i used to rewrite the save data on my retail carts, so I'm pretty sure you could rewrite the whole cart

>>33363209
>>33363175
Agreed. A BW sequel could have been so much better than B2W2, cause the story there was terrible.
If anything a story tied to generation IV, with some characters and plot elements from BW would have been preferable, since B2W2 was so obnoxiously hamfisted.

>>33355726
Sun and Moon
It's the closest Pokemon has ever felt to a professionally made game.

>>33355726
Vs. Seeker would have made it perfect, considering how underleveled the wild mons were compared to gyms. It's rough on Nuzlockes

Why did they get rid of Vs. Seeker again?

>>33366003
>black screens after every line of dialogue when everything in the past gens was seamless
>battles are slideshows, and the n3DS still struggles to handle the games
>worse lighting and online than Gen VI
>worse single player postgame than almost every third version and remake, even including ORAS
>major plot points are incomplete or handwaved in favor of Lillie waifubaiting
>plenty of blatantly incomplete or missing locations, with USUM making these unfinished games finished
>abhorrent dex distribution
Hell no

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>>33366003
>>33366038

And no, I am not OP

>>33366003
>>33366038
Don't forget
>No Hall of Fame
>No NatDex
>Broken friendship minigame

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>>33360631
>takechi kawachimaru
>shigeki morimoto

we need these men back

>>33363203
>are you really adding something if you just cant be bothered to remove it from the engine?
If the new mini games are much better than the minigames that got replaced, yes, you are adding something. Something that wasn't in Hoenn in Gen III.

>>33366038
>>worse single player postgame than almost every third version and remake, even including ORAS
>INCLUDING ORAS

You should've said "including Crystal and FRLG", because ORAS does have plenty of optional features. Crystal and FRLG are the less content packed third version/remake, not ORAS.

>>33366003
i agree

>>33366029
Because you have a phone.

Unfortunately, I doubt so, at least until hgss itself are remade, gen 2 was bar far the strongest generation, that by remaking it with some improvements it became an instant cult classic. I'd actually argue oras added more to rs than hgss added to gs, however simply because gen 2 was so strong was hgss so good. And I doubt any new game will be as good as gen 2, as it's been almost 20 years and gamefreak simply don't have the creative vision they had back then.

>>33360631
Can we expect an updated version of this pic with Iwao (or whatever his name is) once we get USUM boxart?