>BL now has 20 pokemon in it should there be a new tier created

>>33243532
No

>>33243532
Yes

>>33243535
Yes

>>33243532
Nigga, BL was far more bloating in Gen III but you didn't see it become a tier then, now did you?

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>>33243532
I dig it. What'll it be called?
>KU - Kinda Used

You're like a little baby
Watch this
http://www.smogon.com/dex/rs/formats/bl/

>>33243532
I feel sad that there's no Landorus in BL

>using smogon tier system

Delete this.

>>33243547
it basically did in gen 4 with RU splitting off from UU

>>33243549
How about just U - Used. Neither Overused or Underused.

>>33243562
>gen 4
i meant gen 5, my mistake

>>33243532
There used to be one and it was called BL and it was the best format.

>>33243551
Then again, there's over 800 Pokémon now. They're already adding a tier. It would be neat if they added a tier in between OU and UU instead of adding FU. Then again, PU is pretty bloated, too.

>>33243532
Your pic is outdated, but anyways:

No, that wouldn't make any sense

UU is supposed to be everything with a ~3.4% usage or lower in OU

BL is the place were Pokemon that are too good for UU reside.

>>33243600
PU is absurdly bloated. The reason PU was reared in the first place was due to NU being a bloated mess then, and now that it's an official tier it's a little less of a mess, but is still too big.

>>33243562
That isn't the same

They didn't put all the BL in a tier and called it UU.

They just renamed NU as RU and added a new tier that now would be called NU

>>33243623
still the best tier

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ouber

>>33243532
Why are serperior's default ability and hidden ability swapped in the display?

>>33243654
Woah, I didn't know Serperior could get Overgrow!

>>33243532
BL as it's own tier would literally just be UU with all the broken pokemon unbanned.
This would end in one of two scenarios
>most of the BL pokemon just get banned again
or
>they don't get banned and BL ends up as a shitty unbalanced tier.

the line between high ou and low ubers blurs more with each passing generation, i feel that ou could feasibly split in a couple more gens if power creep keeps up

>>33243607
But that doesn't really od justice to stuff like Staraptor that have been too good for UU but not good enough for OU and always being outclassed for FOUR FUCKING GENS

>>33243607
i took the pic 30 seconds before posting the thread, how can it be outdated?

The new tier needs to be between OU and Ubers. Every generation has more and more shit that's too powerful for OU, but too weak for Ubers. With the biggest offenders out of OU, most of the BL mons would get bumped back up.

>>33243532
this won't work because tiers are based on usage, so if you were to make BL a tier you'll just end up with BL mons + lots of UU mons... which basically just ends up making the tier the same as UU before the things were banned to BL and just repeating the cycle all over again.

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>>33243718
>making a whole tier for the 6~ shitty Ubers
>when there's 200+ mons in PU
How about no.

>>33243764
>200+ mons in PU
The majority of that shit is NFE garbage and joke mons, Delcatty will never be good

>>33243794
>The majority of that shit is NFE
nope

Is there a community to playing older gens competitively?
I miss fucking around with sub-petaya empoleon in gen 4

>>33243848
Yes, Smogon still does past gens.

>>33243794
There are around 230 fully evolved mons in PU, retard.

The other tiers combined only have slightly more.

>>33243871
I know that they're available, but do people actually play them?

>>33243943
I still have my gen-6 teams saved on a text document. I'll play gen 6 with you if you want. My gen 5 teams are lost forever, though.

>>33243571
CU -Commonly Used

>>33243718
as far as usage goes, if ubers used the same standards as regular tiers, you'd just be saving shit like reshiram, regular lando and unviable arceus forms

also, this oubers would have literally no bearing on how ou conducts its business. it wouldn't get more banhappy just because it has a new dumping ground for broken shit

>>33244007
Nah, I wanna play gen 4
I had a lot of fun in both OU and UU then

>>33244010
SU - Sometimes used

I'm more confused as to why BL isn't just treated as a tier already. Ubers was just a glorified OU banlist at first too.

>>33243532
>these Pokémon are not OU by usage but can't be used outside of OU
Why?

>>33243532
Why the fuck is Houndoom BL?

>>33243532
>M-Houndoom is BL now

the fuck happened? Wasn't it like RU or something last gen?

>>33244230
>>33244204
Smogon doesn't even have a set for it, it's just there.

>>33244254
But why?

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Haven't played in a while, how the fuck is stuff like Alakazam, Salamence and Dragonite now not good anymore in OU? What the fuck.

>>33244323
Tapus in general.

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>>33244204
>>33244230
>>33244254
>>33244261

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>>33243551

>there were more in the past, so there shouldn't be a new tier

>>33244323
Power creep

>>33244351
So they banned Houndoomite from UU because they couldn't just ban Drought from UU? Interesting. Reminds me of how Cutiefly was banned from LC.

>>33244351
What's their fucking problem?

OU (Drop all the Pokemon that were forced into Ubers despite not being useful)
CU
UU

>>33244380
So you'd make the call to ban a playstyle that aids the viability of several mons instead of banning one mon who's too strong under it?

>>33244010
Never gonna happen.Smogon knows portuguese.

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>>33244380

>>33244397
MHoundoom was fucking BL2 last gen, nothing changed about it, it makes absolutely no sense for it to having risen two full tiers.

>>33244373
>they couldn't just ban Drought from UU?
They could ban drought, if I remember correctly it was banned last gen, but drought wasn't a problem this gen before m-houndoom was released.
And sun isn't a super overpowered team archetype after megadoom got banned. So clearly it was m-houndoom that was the problem.

>>33244418
Megas now get their speed turn 1, which puts it past the iffy 100 line

>>33244418
Drought was banned in UU last gen.

>>33244418
>nothing changed about it
m-houndoom was buffed by having 115 speed right after it mega evolves

>>33244356
Exactly. OP's argument relies on the amount of Pokemon being big enough to "be its own tier" but it's not bad enough.

>>33244135
because you can use the BL mons in OU whereas you couldn't use the Ubers mons anywhere unless they made Ubers playable.

>>33244164

Too strong for UU.

>>33243571
Kek. I like this the best. The Used tier.

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>>33243607
>>33243532
If anything, what this means is that more things need to banned from OU so BL can become the real OU tier.

Take all the cancerous crap from OU and all the fringe Uber mons and make an AU (Always Used) tier.

>>33244418

Here we have Exhibit A. Someone who didn't even play UU; this gen or last gen.

Isn't borderline essentially the tier between UU and OU? Like I thought that was the purpose of it.

>>33243532
There should. I also have the idea of there being a "low uber" tier for mons that really don't belong in Uber's or can't keep up in it, and mons that are problems in OU but wouldn't be good in Uber's among the box legends

>>33243714
I don't see Manaphy there.
>>33244323
>Alakazam
Outclassed by the Mega
>Dragons in general
Tapus nuked their viability. Xzard might drop to UU (and then immediately fuck off to BL) at this rate.
There are six Dragons left in OU. One is Mega Garchomp and is only there on a technicality, one is Black Kyurem, one is Zygarde who is really there for being a Ground type with a move that hits fliers, one is the aforementioned Xzard, and the other two still have BSTs of 600 and used to be Uber.
Take away the raw stats and suddenly Dragon is a shit type now.
>>33244395
They were forced into Ubers because they decimate the tier. What you're advocating would create 2-3 fundamentally broken tiers instead of 2 extremely dysfunctional ones. Honestly OU needs more bans (Magearna, Greninjas, etc), not fewer, to become playable again.

Smogon low tiers are a joke

>le ban everything instantly

>>33247245
If there are enough slightly broken Pokemon then it's just a matter of picking your poison.

CU is a Tier where the Pokemon that don't over centralize the game should be allowed to shine cause Smogon will NEVER outright ban certain things. Look at how hard it is to get anything pushed out of OU now because of the stigma against Ubers. Even if it means OU is slightly less broken Ubers, I'd take that if it meant I got two tiers where good Pokemon can roam free and not be upstaged because Smogon isn't willing to ban stuff like Lando-T, Greninja or Magearna.

>>33247273
Is Magearna really that bad on other archetypes? I usually run Sand so Excadril pretty much shits on it and everything else.

>>33247294
You're using one of the best counters to it, that requires your team to be built around Sand.

Magearna can either set up Trick Room or Boost it's speed and proceed to KILLSTREAK because Soul Heart is broken.

>>33243607
They should lower the usage threshold so that each tier is a little bigger.

>>33244204
>>33244230
Last gen they banned Sun. This gen they banned Houndoom. It is one of the many examples of an inconsistent and flawed banning system.

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i've been playing pokemon since you kids were in diapers and i still don't know or care about these stupid letter combinations

>>33247412
>Gen 6 UU is the same as Gen 7 UU
One of the many examples of a /vp/ anon who doesn't know shit.

>>33247207
It is a banlist. It is usually all the stuff that is outclassed in OU by more broken things but its counters are all in OU so it ends up broken in UU.

>>33247412
That's we need a tier between OU and UU

A tier for the Broken Shit without the stigma of Ubers
A tier for the less broken shit that gets overshadowed
And A tier for the balanced stuff that's still good.

You can say "Ubers is just a banlist" is fine but the stigma against ubers is keeping broken shit in OU

>>33247413
congrats. want a medal or something?

>>33243532
Here's your U

>>33247413
>animufag tries to act like he's more mature than everyone else

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>>33247413

Ubers
OUbers
OU
BL becomes a tier
UU
RU
NU
PU
FU

Eliminate BL2 and BL3 and you have tiers for 400 Pokemon

>>33247413
They're tiers for a special ruleset used in organized multiplayer matches, with the idea being that any Pokemon is valid on the condition that you and your opponent use a team of Pokemon with similar tier rankings.

These don't affect the single player campaign at all, so if that's how you prefer to play Pokemon then you have no reason to care.

>>33243532
Some of that stuff I kind of wonder about, like are Staraptor and Victini, really so bad? Both of those are just wallbreakers, not really so bad if you're playing anything remotely offense-based since they can't really boost speed unless you're running a scarf or some memey Tailwind set on Staraptor.

And what's so bad about Tornadus-T? Is it Z-Hurricane? That one also doesn't really seem so bad considering what running around in UU right now.

>>33248654
>Eliminate BL2 and BL3
Why do you want RU and NU to be unbalanced garbage?

Official smogon tiering system as of the year 2050:

>Arceuspace
Home of alpha arceus and origin alpha trio introduced in the DP remakes
>AG
Home of megafug, rainbow ho-oh, tempest lugia and megasmeargle
>Capital-Ubers
Home of primal groudon, marshadow origin forme and xerneas holding its signature item the infinity herb
>Downtown-Ubers
Also known as Landoland, the tier for everything that's broken but not quite as much as the monsters above, like ultralandorus, that gives name to the tier, darkrai and deoxys without their megastones, among others. Still messier than anything below
>OUbers
Home of top tier threats that were previously OU, like therian tapus, zygarde after thousand arrows getting its own Z-move version (million arrows), landorus holding neoviolite, and the likes
OU
Focus point of the healthy meta
>UU
Formerly known as OU
>RU
>NU
>PU
>FU
Home of delcatty and unown
>LC
In chaos after the explosive addition of more than 300 new baby pokemon on gen 16. Currently being discussed its split into BigLC and LilLC
>IU
Home of the increasingly high amount of pokemon with no attacking moves, like cosmog, zygarde cells and that new type:null prevo. Battles consist on reaching struggle first
>HellOU
A tier not even smogon fully understands, its origin unknown. It appeared on its own the day missigno was announced for the new generation games with the novelty AI feature

>>33243554
Hi Verlisify

>>33250394
This was a fun read, kek