>The Conkeldurr suspect has reached a 80% majority, meani

>>33200997
F

>>33200997
What pushed it over the edge? Does it run Z-moves or something?

That makes 19 in BL
2 more than last gen

Fuck smogon

Good, now Machamp is good in 1 tier and Conleldurr is good in 0 tiers.

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>>33200997

>>33201041
Burn nerf means running Guts Flame Orb has basically no opportunity cost.
>>33201050
Don't kid yourself, Machamp is next in NU

Time for Decidueye to shine now that Conkeldurr is gone.

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>>33201083
t. buttblasted owlcuck

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>>33200997
Don't forget, you're here forever.

is there any chance the champ can take conk's role in UU or is that too delusional?

>>33201120
Two entirely different roles.

>>33201130
but they're always called too similar or the same pokemon only one is an upgrade so which is the truth

>>33201120
Delusional, considering that Machamp is just good enough for NU

>>33201154
Conkeldurr has Drain Punch for recovery and Mach Punch for STAB priority, but Machamp has Close Combat and Superpower

>>33201095
it's pretty impressive that with the amount of shit dropping from ou that staraptor has stayed in bl with no changes

>>33201095
what niche could starraptor fill that would put it in OU? tangrowth/bulu killer?

>>33201322
>just good enough for NU
but smogonfags told me usage has nothing to do with viability? What is the truth

>>33201460
The Bravest Bird niche since Talonflame is kill.

>>33201120
Heracross would be the next best Guts Flame Orb Fighting type.

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>>33201554
Are you so sure? Just for your knowledge Staraptor is unranked in OU. Meanwhile Bravest Bird is still viable.

>>33201478
You can use a mon like Machamp in any tier above PU, but it usually won't be the best option

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>>33201554
>>33201744
Pic related is the bravest bird now

>>33201763
>UU

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>>33201744
>nerfed to shit
>anti-priority is rampant
>still ranked in OU
I guess you just can't keep a brave bird down

>>33201120
confusion nerf hurt his ass too much, and his niche is garbage at this point. not enough bulk for a guts set, either.

>>33201720
Uhh why Machamp has higher attack and Buzzwole completely cockblocks Heracross

>>33202827

t. hasn't played OU ladder in the last month

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>>33203813
>Buzzwole completely cockblocks Heracross
Actually.....
>+2 252 Atk Guts Heracross Facade (140 BP) vs. 52 HP / 0 Def Buzzwole: 334-394 (90.7 - 107%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Get fucked

>>33201744

Is this saying araquanid and shuckle are OU?

>>33201083
>Thinking that just because Conkeldurr is gone it means owlcuck will shine
Believe whatever you want to believe.

>>33204166
They're viable in OU. They're not in OU by usage.

>>33204120
Why dont you add -6 def to Buzzwole to guarantee that OHKO and maybe throw in Paralysis or Sleep on Buzzwole too

>>33201720
>less attack and less HP
Uhuh

>>33203813

>Uhh why Machamp has higher attack 130 base attack over 125, hardly a big difference. Meanwhile Heracross is significantly faster and has access to things like STAB Megahorn and Swords Dance.
>and Buzzwole completely cockblocks Heracross
Buzzwole is banned and it's not like it doesn't cockblock Machamp either.

>>33206608
The difference is magnified when Guts kicks in though

>smogonshit
>low tier shit

>>33207022
It's almost unnoticeable.
252+ Atk Guts Machamp Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 322-381 (94.4 - 111.7%)
252+ Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 313-370 (91.7 - 108.5%)

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>>33204626
>Buzzwole completely stops Heracross!
>Avtually, it just needs one turn to boost its attack, with the one boosting move any non-scarf Heracross carries
>NU-UH, THAT'S UNFAIR AND IS NOTHING THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN IN A GAME
How's it going Verlis?

>>33207647
your scenario plays out Heracross being able to boost AND attack like Buzzwole is just sitting there waiting to get fucked

also
>252 Atk Choice Band Buzzwole Aerial Ace vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 524-620 (174 - 205.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>33201095
it's getting closer though. when they did the latest test most raptors were limited to scarf because the speed creep finally caught up to it. Its Close Combat is actually piss weak but it got banned again due to UU's lack of (viable) flying resist. If MegaLix is available early next gen it could be freed.

>>33208111
Have you ever heard of the concept of boosting on forced switches? Well, considering you are unironically advocating for Aerial Ace Buzzwole it's likely that you didn't.

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>>33208111
>Aerial Ace Buzzwole

Might want to check its movepool next time before posting. It's a nice addition to Buzzwole's Swords Dance set at least.

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>>33208232
>>33208111
>>33208203
?????

What is BL?
Barely loved?

>>33208668
Booty Licked

>>33208668
BorderLine between OU and UU.

Had to google it.

>>33208668
Boy Love

>>33208827
but then who is Conkeldurr's Boy Love?

>>33208839
Machump

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>>33208111

>running aerial ace on anything but mega aerodactyl
>running aerial ace on something that doesn't get aerial ace

>>33208855
>running

>>33208846
awwwww who tops?

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>>33208827
>>33208839
>>33208846
>>33208870
STOP

>>33208870
Timburr tops them both

>>33209144
that doesn't make any fucking sense gtfo

>>33209161
>he's never topped two guys before
What are you, gay?