To finally end this hell of Canon Character and Canon Starter

>>33159654
>caring about canon when multiple timelines/universes exist making everything canon
>making a multiple post thread and not pretyping before hand
Also
>Lyra: Chikorita
>- Game Artwork: Chikorita
>- Anime: --
>- Manga (She is just Kris but with Lyra's clothes): Chikorita
She had a Chikorita in the anime and she doesn't exist in pokespe, her and Kris aren't the same person.

>>33159654
(2/2)

Hilbert: Tepig
- Game Artwork: --
- Anime: --
- Manga: Tepig

Hilda: Snivy or Tepig
- Game Artwork: --
- Anime: --
- Manga: Snivy and Tepig

Nate: Tepig or Oshawott
- Game Artwork: --
- BW2 Animated Trailer: Tepig
- Manga: Oshawott

Rosa: Snivy
- Game Artwork: --
- BW2 Animated Trailer: Snivy
- Manga: --

Calem: Chespin
- Game Artwork: Froakie
- Anime (Generations): Chespin
- Manga: Chespin

Serena: Fennekin
- Game Artwork: Fennekin
- Anime: Fennekin
- Manga: Froakie

Sun: Litten
- Game Artwork: --
- Anime: --
- Manga: Litten

Moon: Rowlet
- Game Artwork: --
- Anime: --
- Manga: Rowlet

I hope this ends all discusion of canon.

>>33159721
>her and Kris aren't the same person.
Ha, okay.

>>33159751
Confirmed by gamefreak, they don't even look alike.

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>>33159755
Lyra is just Kris' replacement. They may not be the same person literally, but technically, they are.
Just look at the fucking hair.

>>33159654
great thread thanks

>Kris
>Canon

Stop this meme

>>33159654
chikorita is lyra starter in anime faggot

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These are my headcanon teams for the male protagonists.

>>33159785
no they are not the same
the manga was lazy and didn't want to introduce Lyra in the story - which makes sense cause add another character out of nowhere woud turn the plot a trainwreck

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>>33159721
>>caring about canon when multiple timelines/universes exist making everything canon
This is just a shitty copout excuse for not wanting to discuss canon, nice try reddit.

>>33159785
>Just look at the fucking hair.
And that's the only thing they have in common, which is likely just a homage to Kris.
>technically, they are.
No they are not, gamefreak has even stated this. You're just that one Kris hater though so there's no point arguing with you.

>>33159819
>This is just a shitty copout excuse for not wanting to discuss canon, nice try reddit.
That's because there is no set canon, it's supposed to be whatever you the player decide. Discussing canon is pointless.

>>33159830
Krisfag detected

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>>33159818
Actual bullshit.

>>33159830
>which is likely just a homage to Kris.
Or, because they replaced her and wanted to keep that aspect of her old design.
>

>>33159864
Nice detective work Sherlock.

>>33159727
hilda has merchandise with tepig

not sure if the manga can be considered canon

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>>33159830
>which is likely just a homage to Kris.

Kris is totally irrelevant to the franchise, Lyra's hair for nothing is a homage, stupid recalcitrant.

>>33159943
>first female player
>irrelevant

>>33159951
Considering her first appearance was also her last, yes.

>>33159819
It's the actual canon, saying otherwise is just trying to drag out a solved problem.

There is no "canon character and canon starter"

Holy fuck canonfags are retarded.

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>>33159963
No matter how much you don't like it Kris will always be one of the most important characters in the franchise.

>>33159727
You've forgot the figurines.

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>>33159989
Sorry, but that's completely untrue, seeing how most people outside /vp/ wouldn't even know who the fuck she is.
She only appeared in one game, and was replaced by Lyra. Get over it, and go back to your thread instead of sidetracking others, please and thanks :)

>>33159971
Crystal is prior to the creation of the multiverse.

>>33159999
And the other manga. Special is not the sole manga.

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>>33160012
Plenty of people outside of here knows who she is, she was the first female character after all, which makes her important. There was a lot of backlash when lyra was revealed on every Pokémon fansite which you would know if you weren't so new.
>go back to your thread
Make me :^)

>>33160018
Emerald was prior to the "creation" of the multiverse too and it still exists, no reason not to believe that Crystal still doesn't.

>>33160029
Lack of evidence

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>>33160029
>Plenty of people outside of here knows who she is
>she was the first female character after all, which makes her important.
>There was a lot of backlash when lyra was revealed on every Pokémon fansite
Tell me something true for a change. The level of delusion here is kind of unsettling...

>>33160038
For which part?

>>33160043
Sorry anon, I know Kris triggers you but it's true :^)

>>33160029
May was present in the remakes, unlike Kris,

>>33160059
And?

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To people who say Gold isn't the Gen 2 guy's name.

Here is Pokemon USA's tweet on the canon names for everyone who completed the Pokédex. It doesn't include remakes, third versions, sequels.

The list is:
Red
Gold
May
Dawn
Hilbert
Calem
[Gen 7 Unknown, but we already know it's Elio/Selene as their names now]

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>>33160052
>Nuh-uh! It's true!!!11
It's really... not, though...

>>33159654
>>33159727
only the game atwork, game merch and game trailers can be considered canon so it would be like this

>Red: The three starters (who knows who was the first)
>Ethan Totodile
>Kris ?
>Lyra Chikorita
>May Torchic
>Brendan Mudkip or Treeko
>Lucas Piplup
>Dawn Piplup or Chimchar
>Hilbert ?
> Hilda Tepig (she's always with tepig in merchandize)
>Nate Tepig
> Rosa Snivy
>Calem Froakie or Chespin
>Serena Fennekin
>Selene Rowlet
>Elio ?

>>33160072
>Using Twitter as proof
>Not realizing that's only for the originals.

Kris is to Lyra as Gold is to Ethan. Same character, just revamped.

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>>33160075
Except it is stay salty, go ahead and give me another (You) though as you try to claim the opposite.

>>33160096
no, lyra is not the same character
get out of here with your bs

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>>33160097
>Except it is
>Still hasn't given any evidence to support your claims
Kris doesn't exist anymore
(You)

>>33160096
>Kris is to Lyra as Gold is to Ethan
When will people stop being so stupid? Kris and lyra are not the same people.

>>33160127
Neither are Gold or Ethan. :^)

>>33160072
aw thanks, its a pity cause ethan is a much better name
and i wish serena were canon as calem is too bland design wise

>>33160125
Just go ahead and look in the archives of any fansite and you'll see, I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. And Kris does still exist.

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>>33160147
>I don't give a shit if you believe me or not.
But you were the one trying to prove me wrong for how long now?? If you don't care, then just go, back to your safe space and post more Kris pics. It's that easy.
Kris doesn't exist. She was replaced by Lyra.

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>>33160147
>I don't give a shit if you believe me or not.

>>33159654
Red's starter is Charmander
Leaf's starter is Bulbasaur
Ethan's starter is Cyndaquil
Crystal's starter is Chikorita
Lyra's starter is Chikorita
Brendan's starter is Treecko
May's starter is Torchic
Lucas's starter is Turtwig
Dawn's starter is Piplup
Hilbert's starter is Oshawott
Hilda's starter is Tepig
Nate's starter is Tepig
Rosa's starter is Snivy
Calem's starter is Chespin
Serena's starter is Fennekin
Elio's starter is Litten
Selene's starter is Rowlet

Faggots

>>33160168
get out of here

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>>33160168
>But you were the one trying to prove me wrong for how long now??
I was never trying to prove you wrong, I was stating a fact: there was a lot of backlash when lyra was revealed and that Kris is still known outside of here. YOU were the one trying to prove me wrong just by saying "nuh uh." You're that guy that keeps following me around so no I don't have to prove shit to you.
>Kris doesn't exist.
Except she does :^)

>>33160185
I really don't.

>>33160205
the only problem with this is
> Leaf is not canon, she doesn't coexist with Red
>May is the canon protagonist, so Brendan's starter is Mudkip as May clearly has a torchic in all medias
>Any proof that Elio's starter is Litten or just headcanon?

The rest is ok, makes sense Red starter be Charizard but most of the time he is portrayed with Bulbasaur

>>33160205
And as for the rivals

Green's starter is Squirtle
Silver's starter is Totodile
Wally's starter is Ralts
Barry's starter is Chimchar
Cheren's starter is Snivy
Bianca's starter is Tepig
Hugh's starter is Oshawott
Shauna's starter is Froakie
Tierno's starter is Corphish
Trevor's starter is Flabebe
Hau's starter is Rowlet
Gladion's starter is Type: Null

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>>33160212
>I was never trying to prove you wrong, I was stating a fact
Uh huh, sure thing.
>YOU were the one trying to prove me wrong
I never said I wasn't
>You're that guy that keeps following me around
I believe it's more that you keep shilling your false claims in every thread you can.
>so no I don't have to prove shit to you.
Is that your excuse for not having any evidence? Sad.

Kris was replaced by Lyra :)

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>>33160212
>Except she does :^)

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I finished my teams for the male and female protagonists. I don't use the other gens because we haven't seen them in the mega/Z-move timeline. And if things are as different as they are in Hoenn, I don't think I can make teams for them just yet. I also didn't use SM because USM will replace them in the timeline anyways.

>>33160241
>I never said I wasn't
Yeah sure, it's not like you were screaming at the very thought of Kris being relevant or anything.
>I believe it's more that you keep shilling your false claims in every thread you can.
You go into Kris threads too, you don't have to but you do instead of hiding/ignoring and go into lyra threads to see if I post. So yes, technically following me around.
>Is that your excuse for not having any evidence?
Yes because it doesn't matter what I say you'll just keep being ignorant regardless, I've shown you proof they're different people several times and you still refuse to believe that, why bother going through some archives when you'll just claim I cherrypicked whatever I show?

>>33160242
Where's your argument she doesn't?
>lyra
Multiple universes/timelines.

>>33160270
switch may's starter for torchic, and mightyena for pikach (due the contest)

>>33160285
Multiple universes/timelines ≠ Kris exist

>>33160325
Multiple universes/timelines = Crystal's universe exists = Kris exists

>>33160336
Multiple universes/timelines ≠ Crystal's universe exists

>>33160359
It does though and you have no proof it doesn't.

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>>33160285
>You go into Kris threads too, you don't have to but you do instead of hiding/ignoring and go into lyra threads to see if I post.
>Implying you don't go and shit up other threads just because

why bother going through some archives when you'll just claim I cherrypicked whatever I show?
Excuses, excuses...
>Multiple universes/timelines.
Except multiple timelines doesn't mean different characters. Only different outcomes of situations and different Pokemon used by the protagonist, dumbass.
Give me one example of Kris being in HGSS

>>33160369
The lack of evidence

>>33160336
Except HGSS replaced Crystal, idiot.

That's like saying DP could be canon rather than Pt. Every outcome in BW mentions Pt as canon.

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Red - charmander
Blue - squirtle
Leaf - bulbasaur

Gold - cyndaquil
Silver - totodile
Kris - chikorita
Lyra - marill

Brendan - treecko
May - torchic
Wally - ralts

Lucas - turtwig
Barry - chimchar
Dawn - piplup

Hilbert/Hilda - oshawott
Cheren - snivy
Bianca - tepig

Nate - tepig
Rosa - snivy
Hugh - oshawott

Calem - froakie
Serena - fenniken
Shauna - chespin

Elio/Selene - rowlet
Hau - popplio
Kukui - incineroar(litten)

Anyone who disagrees is a faggot

>>33160308
I put May with Mudkip because of pic related, also the ORAS trailer showed her with Mudkip more.
Anyways, I like to think any starter can work. It's mainly the rest of the team I worry about.
and mightyena for pikach (due the contest)
good point.

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>>33160399
>Kris
Everything else works though.

>Elio literally has Popplio's color scheme
>but Popplio bombed so hard that they don't want to market it with anybody

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>>33160374
>Excuses, excuses...
Not an excuse when I know it to be true.
>Except multiple timelines doesn't mean different characters.
Multiple universes does though. It's been a "pleasure" arguing with you but I have to get back to work. Go ahead and reply to me with another (You) image claiming you've won when in reality this went nowhere.

>>33160394
If Emerald still exists there's no reason not to believe that Crystal still exists other than to have pointless arguments like this one.

>>33160396
>Except ORAS replaced Emerald, idiot.
It's been proven that remakes don't replace the originals.

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>>33160429
>Not an excuse when I know it to be true.
Still no evidence :^) Besides, I know Lyra replaced Kris, so it is true.
Multiple universes does though.
Never has, never will.
It's been a "pleasure" arguing with you but I have to get back to work.
Nice excuse to abandon your argument because you know you can't win.
>in reality this went nowhere.
Yes, because you still have yet to prove how Kris is canon, and how a faked screenshot proves anything.

Kris isn't canon.
>>Except ORAS replaced Emerald, idiot.
This is true.
>It's been proven that remakes don't replace the originals.
It hasn't though This is just bait at this point.

>>33160429
>Emerald still exists

Exactly where it is affirmed that Esmeralda still exists?

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>>33160429
>Not an excuse when I know it to be true.
Still no evidence :^) Besides, I know Lyra replaced Kris, so it is true.
>Multiple universes does though.
Never has, never will.
>It's been a "pleasure" arguing with you but I have to get back to work.
Nice excuse to abandon your argument because you know you can't win.
>in reality this went nowhere.
Yes, because you still have yet to prove how Kris is canon, and how a faked screenshot proves anything.
>>Except ORAS replaced Emerald, idiot.
This is true.
>It's been proven that remakes don't replace the originals.
It hasn't though This is just bait at this point.

Kris isn't canon.

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Hilda x Tepig is canon.

The only canon protagonist is Red.
They will never, and I mean NEVER do another Red because he was an exception during an age where you could ONLY play as a boy.
We were close to having a similar scenario with Gold, but then Crystal happened and it became standard to have the Boy/Girl option.
And it sure as hell isn't happening now that Skin Tones are a factor.

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>>33160889

>>33160902
Male is canon for every game except BW1 and XY.

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>>33160465
>>33160477
>>33160491
>i never played sumo
why is /vp/ so retarded?

>>33160936
Based on?

I haven't looked at any replies, just OP's lists.

Is this thread as big a shitstorm as I think it is?

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>>33160989
>sumo
Yes, /vp/ is retarded, bit not for thereason you claim...

>>33161001
>canon thread
>not a shitstorm
pick one

>>33161013
Noted, thank you for confirming.

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>>33160990
Hilda is basically confirmed as the real protagonist thanks to N. Gamefreak would never do a canon homosexual relationship.

>>33161052
>shipper
Opinion discarded.

>>33161057
>shipper
It's the fucking storyline, m8. Next you'll tell me Sun x Lillie is crack despite all the changes they made to make the relationship more romantic compared to the purely friendship when playing as Chicken.

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>>33161041

>>33161072
Are there really romantic hints when playing as Hilda? There weren't any when I played as Hilbert.

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>>33161041

Rosa has the biggest tits

>>33161274
Leaf does there have been threads about this.

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>>33160399
this