Do faggots still think this retarded shit was a good idea because

>>33100174
>2017
>still being a contrarian

BURASTO

The ashnime is canon

All that hype, and he fell flat when it actually mattered.

>>33100174
XY was a mistake.

>>33100174
worst idea ever was to bring that shitstain to the games

>>33100210
>>33100207
>>33100193
>>33100174
I can't hear you over all the IKU Z

>>33100249
but can you hear the BURASTO BAAN???

>>33100174
I don't care about stronkness, I just want to marry the froge

>>33100186
>>33100193
>>33100207
>>33100210
>>33100265
Fuck off shitlords.

>>33100174
No one thinks it was a good idea except the same retarded spics that frequent DBS threads

>>33100174
Ash ruins everything.

It was ok.
If anything the problem was having it fight Alain's charizard so many times and losing every single time, like why building so much hype for the final fight going to the point of it doing a never seen before giant shuriken attack if he was going to lose?

T. Shitnaughtfag

>>33100174
>salty edgyzardcuck

Enjoy your B- rank and fuck off.

>>33100174

It was a genius marketing ploy

- Gives Ash his own "Mega Evolution" so he can fight other Megas
- Easy to get rid of unlike an actual Mega
- Made Greninja even more popular

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>>33101644
>Ash gets broken special snowflake OC donut steel piece of shit
>still loses

>>33101673
Status Quo, anon. Nothing can beat Status Quo.

>>33101659
>Made Greninja even more popular

Not after it lost.

>>33101699
Then what the fuck was the point of this ugly abomination? Why force it if Ash was going to lose anyway? It added nothing to the show that regular Greninja couldn't, besides more cringe.

>>33101714
Trolling. Ashnime staff love to pooing in ashnimefans' mouthes.

>>33100174
The salt in this post is real.

And yes, I still like it, stay mad.

>>33101730
Fine, but it's a problem when the shit leaks into the games.

>>33101644
>>33101740
>assfrog fags projecting this hard

Still mad that your cringefrog lost I see

>>33101755
>this projection

>>33101762
Projecting what you idiot? I wanted him to lose and he did, what do I have to be salty about

>>33101745
>hey, kids, you can use this awesome toad in the new games! and you can lead him to league victory in game!

>>33101769
You are so mad and I love it.

>>33100174
OP who cares?

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>>33101755
Smogon >>> ashnime.
Cry more, faggot.

>>33101714
>Then what the fuck was the point of this ugly abomination?

Selling toys and giving Ash a Mega without overselling Megazard or compromising the all-Gen 6 dynamic

>>33101772
I'm mad that retards like you exist, yeah. But I'm not obviously projecting any salt over this frog like you are.

>>33101775
We get this thread once a month or so. Some 12 year old OP makes a thread laughing about how supposedly asshurt "le autistic ashnimefags lolxd" are over this frog, even though none of them really seem to be and Greninja is still pretty damn popular.

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>>33100174
>because "le edgy pogeyman xdddddd so badazz n stronk!!"
Yes, exactly because of that.
Stop being a faggot OP, and embrace it!

>>33101808
>this damage control
You only need to look at the threads to see how butthurt ashfrog faggots are trying to white knight this thing. It's a litmus test for bad taste.

it's literally a shitty cringe deviantart idea that somehow became official.

I think what I hate most is that it went literally absolutely nowhere.

This Battle Bond shit is never going to come back, never going to be referenced again or expanded upon, just another shitty feature that they have to bring back in future games out of pure obligation in the shallowest form possible (ie: like the obligatory NPC who gives you gardenias or the genesect drives, now you'll be getting a free Greninja with Battle Bond in future games)

>>33101822
Hi OP.

>>33101869
>only one person hates this thing
Ashnimefags fags are this delusional

>>33101879
Hi OP.

>>33101879
>only one person hates this thing
But that's true?

Ash-Greninja is universally beloved. In fact, it's the most beloved pokemon of all time.

>>33101891
>cringefrog fag so mindbroken he can only repeat the same damage control
sasuga

OP seems mad.

>>33101855
Yeah. Battle Bond is interesting in concept, but it's something that will never be touched again. This franchise has a bad track record with this kind of stuff.

>>33101714
If I remember right, the official reason is that they wanted to show how close Ash and Greninja were. I guess a special magic form was easier than adding actual development and screentime to show how close they were.

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>>33100184
>le contrarian meme
"Contrarian" doesn't apply when the majority agrees.

>>33100174
Yes, and those exact same faggots hated Alain because he was "an edgy overpowered special snowflake"

>it's a "OP samefags over and over because /vp/ knows that is just nothing more but a contrarian fuckboy who will never lose his virginity because he's a loser with zero charisma" episode

>>33100186
BAAAN

>>33101912
Maybe, but he wasn't as bad as Greninja. Mega Specials were the best part of XY anyway.

>>33101917
You're gonna overheat from all that projection

>>33101908
Isn't this just /vp/, though? Charizard is lower than Venusaur and Blastoise, for fucks sake

>>33100174
t. shitnaughtfag

>>33101934
Where do you think you are?

>>33101939
/vp/, a place full of contrarians which definitely doesn't reflect the taste of the "majority"

>>33101947
>your own demographic disagrees with you, making you the contrarian
>appeal to some nonexistent "majority"

classic

>>33101968
What are you talking about? Ash-Greninja being the least popular/loved starter or form on /vp/ doesn't mean it's the least popular for the rest of the world. So hating Ash-Greninja is not contrarian here, but it might be everywhere else, you know the ACTUAL majority. The same could be said for Gen 5 and how much /vp/ loves it compared to the rest of the fanbase, for example.

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>>33101994
>repeating the same thing in more words

>>33102001
I'm not getting you.

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Oh hey, Ash-Greninja. Where's your trophy?

>>33100174
>ash-greninja
>retarded shit
I guess you have a serious case of disgusting shit taste.

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>>33102015
How is this hard to get? You're just repeating "everyone else loves it!" Who is this phantom demographic and where is the proof that they like it?

>>33102040
Oh, I didn't say that everyone loves it. I just said that the fact that /vp/ hates it is no proof at all. I won't bother doing any kind of research about it, but I really doubt Ash-Greninja is actually hated by most of the anime fags, which is the audience it was aiming for. Personally, I'm indifferent to it.

>>33102086
It's proof that it's not a contrarian opinion here, where it was actually measured. "I really doubt" also isn't proof. Contrarian is a buzzword in the context.

>>33102148
Right. Whoever calls Ash-Greninja haters "contrarians" should probably bring evidence, then.

>>33100174
In-battle formes tied to abilities were a mistake

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>>33101918
the amount of mad shitfrog fanbois tho

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1m6KdnPH7K2

>>33102737
the amount of butthurt OP samefagging tho

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>>33101907
And then said bond gets trashed just like literally every other Pokemon that isn't Pikachu, so it leaves you wondering why we didn't just get Battle Bond Pikachu instead.
Oh, that's right, because then people would complain he doesn't use Bond Pikachu 24/7 and you can't ditch the rat unlike Greninja.

Kinda wish that Battle Bond just was a mega stone equivalent tied to an ability so that this bs with KO a 'mon to transform would be gone

I am so disgusted by the vitriol spewed by anti-greninjafags. I swear, Greninja gets more hate than anything else on /vp/, it's ridiculous especially since it's completely undeserved.

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>>33104518
You stupid faggot. Only Greninjash gets (deserved) hate. It's the equivalent of a 10 year old spewing the most generic OC ever. Greninja itself is incredibly loved here.

Take a look at >>33101908 That's the biggest starter poll made in /vp/. Greninja is a Top 3 highest rated Final Stage starter.

>>33101907
>never be touched
Pokespe says hi

>>33102186
>"Greninja Takes The Top Spot Of 720 Pokémon In A Recent Japanese Popularity Contest"
>Right after Ash Greninja Reveal
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/06/08/greninja-takes-top-spot-720-pokmon-recent-japanese-popularity-contest
You can stop being a booty hole now

>>33104543
I still don't get how Torterra won. It's one of the least interesting final stage starters.

>>33105630
Isn't a new Ash-Greninja figure coming out too?

>>33105663
/vp/ is contrarian, it's why they constantly try to tell you the Sinnoh starters are the best

>>33105630
It had nothing to do with Ash Greninja, you fucking moron. Greninja had about two years to build popularity already. And nobody knew just how cringey it will be at the time.

Everyone loves regular Greninja. Ashfrog is awful.

>>33105773
Yep. Newest entry in that series of high grade anime figures.

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>>33105796
Why didn't they use regular Greninja for this, then? Do hated Pokemon get figurines a generation after they were introduced?

>>33105832
>they shill it = people like it
Mostly retards buy figurines anyway, so it's just proving who the target audience is.

>>33105854
You are generalizing way too much.
They are making it because it sells. It sells because it's popular. If it sells, it's doing the job it's supposed to.

>>33105854
They have no reason to shill Ash-Greninja now that the anime is over, it's being made solely out of popularity.

>>33105927
>They have no reason to shill Ash-Greninja now
Except for it being a gen 7 Pokemon in the games and fucking everyone using it competitively because it's broken? Doesn't mean people actually like the design or think it was a good idea.

>>33105854
Is your argument literally "everyone hates x except the people that like it, but they're retards for liking it so they don't count"

>>33105962
>everyone using it competitively because it's broken
It's not even available in any Battlespot format. They don't market Pokémon based on Smogon OU usage, fucking christ. And yes; if that figurine is happening, it's because it will most likely sells and because people like it. Just like Lillie is almost universally loved and is being "shilled" just because it's what people want and will spend their money on, no matter what /vp/ says or thinks.

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>>33105962
Imagine being this delusional.

>>33106050
Landorus-T figurine when? It's so broken in competitive!

>>33105796
If according to your chart Greninja only has medium high popularity, and Ash Greninja has the lowest, a poll where both forms when both forms exist should not yield it the most popular out of ALL Pokémon.
No matter how you look at it, the /vp/ pol proves inconsistent to the target fanbase.

>>33106085
What the fuck are you even trying to say? Ash-Greninja isn't on the Japanese poll. It only had regular, and it was only there to determine who gets the next event distribution, hence all the legendaries near the top.

>>33106050
Lando isn't current gen, and it's proof that people using something competitively =/= people like it's design.

>>33106119
It was a popularity poll held all across Japan in shopping centers and shit, and the "it will get a distro" bit was just mentioned in passing online. A lot of voters had no idea about it.

>>33106130
It was held mostly on TV during the show with that remote input thing. That's why you have all these Pokemon at the start of the alphabet, and all those legendaries.

>>33106144
It wasn't "mostly" held there, it just accounted for enough of the votes to make a difference.

>>33106158
It only proves that Greninja was popular, not Ash-Greninja. Stop conflating your shitfrog OC with the original greatness.

>>33106119
Hey, fuck it man.
You can forget Ash Greninja even existed at that point.
You can ignore the fact that people vote by association, that just it's existence will affect the popularity of the base form.

JUST. LOOK. AT. BASE. GRENINJA.
Your poll places it at 3rd or 4th place in just starters alone. An official poll places it first in ALL OF POKÉMON in a more relevant population sampel than just a relatively obscure Vietnamese Food Fighting Blog.
Learn to data.

>>33106172
You are just incredibly delusional and that's all there is to it.

>>33106173
>people vote by association
Not an argument. Doesn't mean people voted because of Ash-Greninja.

If you look at the /vp/ poll Greninja places miles ahead of virtually every post-gen 4 starter, which is testament to its standalone good design. Ash-Greninja is the lowest. You are just trying to ride on the success of the base form.

>>33106210
Statistically, yes.
People did in fact influence their decision on Ash-Greninja, especially since it was the most important tnews at the time.

I don't give a flying fuck about popularity of a Pokémon species, I'm simply blowing the fuck out of the logic that 4chan is a reliable example of the opinions of general population.

Here I am giving you facts about things that actually occurred and why, and all you can do is say "nuh-uh" and project your irrationality on to me.

This place being """""18 and up""""" skews data by definition, and it's been proven and even forced through marketing that Ash-Greninja is an exceptionally popular Pokémon.

In fact, that poll you're wanking to was made before the advent of Sun and Moon, meaning many voted under he assumption that it wasn't going to even be an entity past one season of the anime.

>>33106490
>People did in fact influence their decision on Ash-Greninja
>it's been proven and even forced through marketing that Ash-Greninja is an exceptionally popular Pokémon.
Citation needed

>meaning many voted under he assumption that it wasn't going to even be an entity past one season of the anime
Why the fuck would that affect their vote? If anything the ingame implementation might make it even worse.

You're just spewing conjecture based on a poll that specifically does not include Ash-Greninja, versus a poll that includes both.

>>33106546
>Citation needed
"Wow, I really love Greninja! The fact he can SUPER DUPER MEGA EVOLVE IS SOOO COOL!!1
Maybe if enough of us vote for it, it could be real, because I love that form so much!"
-13 year old who's name is protected for his/her safety

"Man, I FREAKING HATE THAT SHILLFROG GRENINJA!!1 Why does it get a super speshul snowflake anime form for no reason!? It's just a slippery slope from here. It was obviously favored over the other starters from Genesis. I'd down vote it if I could."
-17 underage 2ch poster who got to vote

If they assume that it is a singular one-off form, they'll want to vote for it to be continued if they like it.

On the 4chan poll, it could easily be interpreted as a Deus Ex Machina for only anime plot reasons, which could have overall lowered it's likability, as they not only never had any chance to use it, but also had only a pattern of anime and agressive marketing to draw from. Greninja was given the name Shillfrog here for this exact reason.

>>33106656
>made up bullshit = citation

Holy shit, you people are actually this stupid and delusional

>>33106674
Those are two extremely common opposing viewpoints.

Argument over.

>>33106689
>Those are two extremely common opposing viewpoints
Do you know what a fucking citation is? Protip: it's not your fanfiction

>>33106691
For you, I'll find two people who said this in the archives, but you must reply to my post saying "I suck dicks" when I do
Give me 10 minutes

>>33106709
>two people said this = it's an extremely common viewpoint
I cannot believe how fucking retarded you are, jesus fucking christ

Do you think Ashninja would have been better received if it had won the league?

>>33106717
If I can find two people that said this over a year ago in under ten minutes, it is a common viewpoint. Now stop distracting me and pre-write that post.

>>33106737
>I can autistically stalk the archives to find some keywords therefore this is an extremely common viewpoint
I'm sure whatever you do will be validation enough for your own headcanon, but the fact is it isn't proof.

>>33106726
Probably.

>>33106747
Here's someone who didn't vote, but saw this outcome inevitable because of the pro-ash thought process
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/26857454/#q26860791

And here's someone who clearly suggests Ash's bond with Greninja is merely shill tactics
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/24540765/#q24543347

If I could browse 2ch, I would.
Pucker up.

>>33106789

>>33106747

>>33106799
Here I'll help you.
Reply to >>33106789 again, but this time type "I suck dicks" in the text box before or after the post number.

>>33106828
You wish, faggot.

I'll help you: provide some actual proof of your point, not anecdotes and conjecture.

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>>33106828
>"I suck dicks"
We know.

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>>33106849
>Actual candid statements aren't proof
>Actual poll results aren't proof
>Actual merchandise selling out isn't proof
>Actual people in this very thread isn't proof
>Still stands by an old poorly executed poll stemming from the same source I got my material
My God, what are you actually trying to argue again?

>>33106878
>anecdotal statements are proof of popular opinion
>poll results taken out of context and for something totally different are proof
>merchandise selling is proof of popular opinion
>actual people in this thread with the opposing opinion aren't proof, whose view is corroborated by an actual relevant poll
Ash Greninja spics are actually this stupid

>>33106876
Don't worry Anon. No need to defend me. I see the error of my ways.
It's clear to me now that 4chan is really just a pretentious hell hole that could never properly represent a fan base that would include children who shouldn't even be able to post here.

You know what?
>>33106849
>>33106789
>>33106737
>>33106709
I really do suck dicks. I love the taste and feel of them. How they caress the roof of my mouth. The way my partner pushes my head down his shaft as he unloads down the back of my throat.
Man, what a relief...
I think I'll get some sleep.

>>33106912
Sounds like you need to go back and soothe your anus

>>33106905
Dude, I hate Ash-Greninja. It was pointless in the anime and toxic to the meta.
It's your fucking logic I'm commenting on.
There could be an Ash-Greninja parade going by your house, complete with floats, people with full bodied Greninja tats, and a vendor selling out of Ash Greninja™ body pillows, and you'd still deny it.

It's an OFFICIAL POLL that was accessible to their most immediate audience.
The thing you're backing was made by a 20 year old liberal arts major in 5 minutes in a Google Survey.
Get a fucking reality check.

>>33106961
The only thing resembling a cogent point in your whole diarrhea of shitposts is that it has merchandise, but that's hardly proof that disliking it is "contrarian." It just means it has enough fans to make returns on a shitty plastic toy.

>official poll
Yeah, a poll that showed Greninja was popular, not Ash-Greninja, you stupid fuck. You have no proof that Ash-Greninja had a significant impact on the voting results, you are literally talking out of your ass. Compare that to a poll that has both on it.

>>33106978
I told you that you wouldn't.
I gave you actual people. Actual people from the past who recognized that Ash Greninja did in fact influence the polls.

The vast majority like or are neutral to Ash Greninja, because at the time of the survey, it was represented at it poorest.
Ever since, it's only become more likable, due to actually being a playable character in several games.

You saying that Ash Greninja didn't affect Greninja's polling is like saying a high ranking political official's success doesn't affect their party's success.
NEWSFLASH:
THERE'S A WHOLE FIELD OF STUDY BEHIND JUST THAT EFFECT.

The poll was a similar marketing strategy. They wanted nothing more than to see their latest creation hit those charts. It being number fucking 1 only made it better.

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>>33105663
>one of the least interesting final stage starters

How can that be when Torterra is a better executed version of Venusaur, which is in itself the most interesting of its own trio?

>>33105832
Maybe because it's an XY Ash figure? That sculpture showcases Ash and his 2 most important Pokemon of the season. It's not like it a Greninjash-only figure.

>>33107019
>actual people "recognized"
>quoting other people's anecdotal conjecture is proof
I can't believe you're trying this hard to rationalize in lieu of evidence

>more fanfiction
okay bud

I honestly think Ash-Greninja happened too late in the gen to have a significant impact on Greninja's popularity. People already loved him or didn't by that point, and he had his peak exposure before the form even came to be. The form was pretty much just an extra bone thrown to existing fans of the Pokemon.

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>>33101908
>Greninja is 2nd place

And people say this board is contrarian?

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>>33107031
Ahhh. I get it now.
Nothing to counterargue with...
Cyclical denial of evidence...
This is just a troll.
I am at peace with myself and the Earth.

>>33107044
>nothing to counterargue your nonargument

>>33107042
Whatever it takes to confirm their bias

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>>33105781

i'm tired of this "liking torterra is contrarian" meme

He wasn't powerful enough to defeat the strongest enemy

Plot Armour

>>33100174
It actually would've been a pretty cool idea if done right in the games.

Would've been pretty cool if the Kalos starters had all been able to swap abilities to Battle Bond when they reached max happiness and/or affection with their trainer and actually took on the appearance of the trainer. Would've made the trainer customization more than just something that mattered for the trainer.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was something they were thinking about for follow ups and then dropped when they decided to jump straight to Gen 7 for the anniversary.

>>33102791
im not the op, but it seems like youre the butthurt one who cant handle the BURASTO BAAN

>>33105630
I think its pretty obvious that that means people liked greninja (so did I) , but hate the shitfrog that they made out of it with that ashfrog bs

>>33107027
>How can that be when Torterra is a better executed version of Venusaur, which is in itself the most interesting of its own trio?
Those most definitely aren't facts. Monstrous starters like that are usually the least popular, and Torterra looks worse than Venusaur.

>Maybe because it's an XY Ash figure? That sculpture showcases Ash and his 2 most important Pokemon of the season. It's not like it a Greninjash-only figure
They could have used regular Greninja if the difference in popularity was actually sizable.

>>33107828
>im not the op
You're obviously samefagging and everyone can tell.

>>33108261
lol, delusional

>136 posts
>39 posters
OP
You need to calm down with the samefagging.

>>33108867
>N-no! People cannot post more than once, that's impossible! OP must be samefaggin!
Anon...

>>33108879
shut up OP

>>33108879
Hi OP

>>33108879
Fuck off, OP

>>33108879
Now THIS is damage control.

>>33108879
Shut the fuck up OP