11 months ago, almost a year.. It happened. Were you dissapointed,

>>33054607
Nope

>ashnime
Kys ashnimefaggot

>>33054607
>the day the anime got bad again
FUCK

This moment killed the anime. The only interesting thing about it is the prospect of Ash finally winning a league. It can't be done though. It's over.

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I was so fucking mad that day, but the shitstorm that ensued was so damn fun too.

>>33054607
I was laughing. They really THOUGHT

>>33054626
Better than losing to a fucking hacker with 6 legendaries.

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Still mad, maybe even like this guy.

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>>33054607
No, I was rooting for him.

>>33054607
Yea, it made me mad, but I'd lie if I say BURSTO BAAN isn't my favorite /vp/ meme ever since.

>>33054625
this
I don't watch the anime but was hoping Ash would win, the aftermath of him losing was way sweeter though

>>33054607
I am.

We haven't seen him ever since. Too bad.

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>>33054607
>Were you dissapointed, /vp/?
Dissapointed? Hell no it my my favorite memory in /vp/
>>33054650
>Better than losing to a fucking hacker with 6 legendaries.
That fight was miles better than the shit ending of XYZ pleb

>>33054607
Nope. Anime has been shit for a long time but especially since TPCi took over and made the dubs even worse when the 4Kids one actually wasn't that bad compared to most dubs.

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>>33055049

>>33054650
The fucking hacker was a more worthy opponent than that leprechaun abusing edgefucker. With Tobias, Ash made a satisfying effort in a battle he couldn't win, unlike with Faglan where he jobbed in a fight tbat should have been easy with his own petsonal Mega form.

>>33054607
>posting about worst season of the anime
really op?
>>33054622
The anime got bad with the start of xy. I thought serena would be a cool girl but nope just a shitty 08/15 waifutrash character that is just background character decoration tier.

>>33055061
Serena's crush was huge mistake, though it's Masuda's fault for not putting any non-gym things in the XY games.

>>33054656
no one tell him tv tokyo has nothing to do with the script

until the end of time, he will be mad at the wrong entity

>>33055053
The frog will never live it down, now matter how powerful it is in-game.

>>33055071
well she could have been a trainer like ash with them facing of in the final of the kalos league. The whole one sided romance only made her the first pokegirl to get friendzoned hard by ash instead of friendzoning him.
There was potential for both to get mega stones and trying master the art of mega together but nope not having something interesting.It could have resulted in a final climax of a mega battle in the league.

>>33054656
He wasn't even mad enough to write his own copypasta.

>>33055061
The anime was bad before XY, BW was when it started to go downhill.

>>33055120
Well iris at least was more of a character than serena and we got to see cynthia,clair,dawn and the new xy news reporter girl which was dropped after xy started.
F to pay respect to news girl!

>>33055097
>watching the same gym battle twice

>>33055157
>never heard of making the cut to character coming in with badge
Also we had dawn battle a gym leader to get her motivated to battle with ash.
I didn't find it that annoying to be honest. It was cool to see dawn get into it as time went by.

>>33055097
>>33055157
This. The only feasible way to make Serena another competitor in the league would be to have her go off on her own journey, have some episodes dedicated to that, have her go through the process of discovering mega evolution herself and probably beat Ash in the finals.

And that's what they did with Alain.

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>>33054607
Course not,guy deserved the win

>>33054607
I was disappointed it happened, but then got comfort in the hilarious fallout.

>>33054607
literally XY's tobias

thank god the shonen adventure died

>>33055228
At least Alain got some build up, you knew who he was and why he was fucking Ash's shit up. Plus I'm a huge Charizard-fag and wanted Alain to win.

Tobias still makes me mad. That motherfucker came out of nowhere with no explanation.

>>33055238
But knocking out two Legendaries with a team of normies is a real accomplishment, especially when he was the only trainer in the region who was able to get past Darkrai.

However there is no excuse for an OC Pls Don't Steal Mega Water type losing to a Charizard. I don't care if Mega Charizard is part Dragon, I still don't buy that bullshit.

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>>33055317
>Not taking typing into consideration
>Not taking Burasto Bahn into consideration

>>33054607
I will and forever will be mad. Like is there a real reason why Ash can't win at least some of the leagues.

>>33055150
>iris
Stop.

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>>33055412
>>33055057
>>33054656
>>33054622
Losing streak

>>33056116
unnamed was the best.

>>33054607
lolno

who cares about ash at this point anyway, I only skim through eps to see animated pokemon and occasionally watch battles

No. I don't care if ash wins or lose.

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>>33054607
No, it was fun

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> Were you dissapointed, /vp/?

Yes

But then the Flare arc happened and it was great

>>33056137
>not Jon Dickson

>>33054720
You mean BULASTO BERN?

>>33054607
I was having the time of my life, Bleach also ended that same day so the fire was double.

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>>33054607
FUCK YOU ALAN

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>>33054607
>almost 20 years of Ash losing
>expecting to win it NOW of all years
You know what, at least with Alola it would make sense, considering how we were the first champion and all that.

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>>33057142
Too bad there's no league at all in the SM anime.

Let alone any actual goals.

Even with the league turnout, XY is still WAY better than the snorefest of SM.

>>33056116
Can you imagine that in the same span of time, Brady won 5 bowls, Messi and Ronaldo won four CLs each, Pops led the Spurs to five championships, Federer won 19 slams and the Cubs won a WS after a million years.

>>33057142
>Give him the champion title for free.
No wonder Ash always suck.

>>33057175
Cause Ash ain't saving a life.

>>33055238
Richie and Cameron were worst than Tobias and Alain tqbh

>>33056116
>Jon Dickson

>>33056116
>Unnamed
>Literal who
>Only one that deserved it
>Bringing Legendaries to the League
>Didn't even battle Ash
>Wasn't even interested in the League

20 years of disappointment. Can't wait for 20 more.

>>33057312
>implying Pokemon will be around for only 20 more years

>>33057160
>Let alone any actual goals.
Yeah, especially the pokegirls... Lillie hasn't any aspiration or goal besides touching pokemon a thing that literally everyone can do, Mallow likes to cook(?) and Lana just likes water...

Can't believe you literal retards actually thought there would be a league win in the Ashime.

The fact that he lost was the only fucking compelling thing in that season since he pretty much never fucking lost otherwise and everyone existed just to suck his dick.

Alain was fighting for something more and was a better character. You just self insert on Ash because Serena is a useless cumsleeve.

Anime is shit, but damn the shitstorm was hilarous.

Watching the weebs break down is great.

>>33057160
there isnt a league in the SM game either, Kukui forms it after you win and become the First Champion

No I was happy because for months we sat there as Ashime faggots ran into other threads and other boards talking about how amazing XY was and how Ash was totally gonna win guiz hes so good now Serena shipping!! And then it all came crashing down on you faggots and you were asshurt at an anime for children

>>33055412
>Like is there a real reason why Ash can't win at least some of the leagues.
Because then his journey will be over, and there won't be a show anymore.

>>33057752
The actual reason is that the show writers think that winning a league means he's become a Master. Which it isn't, in the anime winning a league means you can challenge the Elite 4; a shame that they'll never expand on that.

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If Ash will ever win a league, itl'll happen when the franchise ends. The writers will make him fight the final battle with a team of his top 6 mons, (old iconic ones like zard and snorlax and new ones like greninja), and pikachu will land the final attack, no one else.

But that won't happen, because Pokemon is an eternal money making machine. So Ash will remain a game promoting puppet for the rest of the series.

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>>33054607
I wasn't dissapointed that Ash lost, I was dissapointed Alain won. The very fact that he wasn't exclussive to that special was dissapointing. I can't stand him, he's literaly this guy from that Megaman Exe anime.
I used to hate Ash but I'll much rather follow characters like him.

>>33057160
>he thinks there won't be a league

>>33058190
If there's one, you can be sure he'll lose at it again.

>>33057779
Alain did get his asshanded to him by seibold in the mega specials, if thats anything close

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>>33058255
what if Ash this time actually win the League. Then just before of being named the first champion of Alola, Koko arrives and beat him so Koko become the actual champion.

>>33058255
Well, of course, he'll lose, but to think there won't be one in the anime is almost preposterous as he'll have to do something after learning and trying to master lots of Z moves.

>>33058332
I'd be insulted if his last battle in Alola wasn't with Tapu Koko, what would be interesting if Ash was able to really damage a Tapu.

>>33058332
>what if Ash this time actually win the League
Anything that comes after that string of words in automatically invalidated.

>>33058371
>in
*is

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Guys, just shut up and love them both.

Manon does.

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>>33056116
why is sceptile so fucking cool
on that note, would the "I will never not be mad" people have been happier or madder if Ash lost to that green haired faggot he fought right before Alain?

>>33058719
>Ash lost to that green haired faggot
Ash losing to Alain brought explosion of rage, tons of hate and dissent from actual animators and writers

If Shota had won his match TPC would get death threats

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>>33058719
Nah, we would have been happier if Team Flare had just interrupted the Finals or Ash vs. Shota happened in the Finals while the fight vs. Alan happened in the Team Flare arc.

That would have made more sense since Alan had absolutely no rhyme or reason to be in the League to begin with as it has absolutely nothing to do with his "quest" to help Manon. (The same quest that wasn't actually helping her at all. Especially considering what happened to her was entirely his fault in the first place. lol)

>>33054701
>liking edgemon

>>33054621
Basically this

>>33054701
>>33055222
>barafags wanted the cancer to continue
I guess people were right about incineroar

>>33054607
Not at all. The biggest shock of all was the fact that all the people expecting Ashy boy to win actually exist.

>>33058719
Probably. Ash losing vs Shota would have been disappointing, even though it would've made sense from a narrative point (plucky kid goes the distance and beats his idol); BURASTO BAAN instead was a terrible bait-n-switch.

>>33055317
>However there is no excuse for an OC Pls Don't Steal Mega Water type losing to a Charizard.
There are many valid excuses though. You're dumb.

>>33058754
why are people so salty over the end of XY? it was fucking fantastic, yeah Ash lost, but he reached his best league position ever (progress!), instead of going backwards to best 8 like in BW, and the final battle itself was beautifully animated and coreographed, and the flare stuff and goodbye episodes afterwards were 10/10, all in all a great end to the series rivaled only by DP

>>33058804
No, you're dumb.

Now let the shit-slinging commence.

>>33058816
I'm not the one denying things though. Typing is just one of the reasons and not even the most important.

>>33058814
>no trophy
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>33058274
On the first one; by the fourth one he was already beating Malva, and even that was before he appeared on the main anime. He was probably at Diantha's level at the end of XY&Z.

>>33054625
Thank you for that salt mine. Into the cellar it goes! This shall age nicely like fine wine!

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>>33058814
Because it wasn't what they wanted, obviously.

Even the goodbye episodes felt like bullshit made up at the last minute since there was no logical reason for any of the XY Family to want to leave apart from Ash at that point and the whole randomly conflict to make the Zygardes pull Greninja away from Ash is just a massive slap to the face to all of the progress they made together and an excuse to be the weak shit Ash is in Alola despite being pretty much the second strongest trainer in all of Kalos.

Speaking of Alola, Sun and Moon's anime turning out the way it did and it's previews appearing right after the league is a bit part of what escalated the salt.

Basically a "How did we go from this to THAT?" kinda thing.

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>>33058332
I don't know why, but something tells me Gladion will be the champion this time. It'll be Alain 2.0, were we'll think Ash finally would win the league, only to be "surprised" by Type: Edge.

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>>33058647
>tfw no Ash/Alain/Manon threesome doujin

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>>33058894
Indeed. Tis a shame. It could've been great.

>>33058887
I don't think anyone will ever believe the anime trying to hype a potential Ash win again.

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>>33058878
What was the point of Ash-Greninja anyway? What did it accomplish? XY would have been the same if ANinja got replaced with Zard-Y instead.
And what the fuck was pic related?

>>33058878
He would have left Greninja at the ranch anyway if he managed to happen to keep it. He never starts a region with anyone other than Pikachu. Not only is it boring to see him use the same shit from before, but it also doesn't really match with his personality at all since he wants to meet and get new pokemon.
I don't see why anyone wants this, especially if they dare complain about the series being stale.

>>33058931
Ash-Greninja was fucking cool and and it had some great and amazing fights. That's enough for me.

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>>33054607
The only thing bad about this Alain thing is that Ash Greninja still made it into the games.

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>>33058920
Yeah, but hey, look on the bright side.

Alan got a smiling loli and a new bro.
Manon got her bishie teen and her idol.
Ash, as always, got new friends to love on.

In way, everybody wins.

KISSU MADE UP FOR IT

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>>33058931
Yajima wanted Ash to have a strong bond with Greninja that would show through battle, but it didn't have a Mega Evolution, so he and Masuda got together and made Ash-Greninja and the Battle Bond/Bond Phenomenon.

Charizard WAS supposed to come back for XY originally, but they decided against it because they felt it would take attention away from the Kalos mons.

Dumb reason, I know.

Also, pic related was from the final clash of a giant Water Shuriken vs Blast Burn.

>>33054607
No, because I already accepted that Ash will never win a Pokemon League.

>>33059050
I know where it was from. What I don't know is:
>what was it
>why was it never explained
>why did it didn't do shit
>why did it never appear again

>>33059068
Did you watch the ninja epsiode where all of that was explained?

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>>33054607
I knew Ash could never win but I felt disappointed anyway because I want his journey to finally end.
Instead, not only did he lose but he lost so hard that even the people who worked on making a pleasing artstyle gave up on him and turned him into an abomination

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>>33059053
I don't fucking get it. WINNING A LEAGUE DOES NOT MAKE ONE A POKEMON MASTER. BEATING THE E4 AND CHAMPION DOES NOT MAKE YOU A POKEMON MASTER

Why won't they let Ash win the REGULAR fucking league.

>>33059094
Hell, it would even be acceptable if he won a league and then got trashed by the first E4 he goes against.

>>33054607
I could have died laughing at the people who genuinely thought ash would win.

>>33059050
>Charizard WAS supposed to come back for XY originally, but they decided against it because they felt it would take attention away from the Kalos mons.

Source: Your ass

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>>33058775
I would prefer Y over X but in the end it is a Charizard, even if is an edgy one.

>>33059114
Their own logic "if he wins the league the show will end" is contradicted by their own writing.

I really wish someone would ask them.

>Why can't Ash win the league
>because the show would end.
>No? By you're own writing in the last episode of DP Ash specifically said beating Cynthia was only a step to being a Pokemon Master. So no, winning a league doesn't have to end the show, if beating the CHAMPION doesn't accomplish his goal.
>b-but

they probably couldn't come up with a proper answer to that comment,

>>33059094
Cause we want the anime to continue.

did you guys enjoy the Ash vs Alan battle itself, at least? let's not think of the outcome

>>33059158
Even if we take away the outcome, Ash vs Shota was still better.

>>33059144
And the anime would continue if he won a league, because it you;don't accomplish his dream.

>>33059094
Because then there's little else to do. It doesn't make much sense that a league master celebrity would just be walking around fighting little gyms when he's the best in the world basically.
But even if that isn't the case, it makes way more sense for him to gradually progress each time (no BW doesn't count, it never counts for anything), especially since the anime isn't ending anytime soon. Which is what he's been doing. He makes a pretty good accomplishment each time he participates and for a 10 year old going up against teenagers and adults each time, he does pretty well.

But all you autist don't care about slow and steady progression and all you care about is muh autistic win the league.
Not even Goku won the World Martial Arts tournament until the world and his life was at stake, and he was an adult, and they were thinking about ending the series soon and there was nowhere else to go but space.

>>33059166
You know you want Ash to stay a loser.

0- SpA Charizard Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash: 103-122 (36.1 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>33059166
No it wouldn't, they said they would end it if he won the league.

>>33059171
>best in the world
He wouldn't even be the best in the region. In the anime, winning a "league" conference simply gives you the chance to challenge the real league: E4 and the Champion. And the excuse about him being a champion having to challenge little gyms is already handwaved by the fact that Ash willingly handicaps himself at the beginning of each region by only having Pikachu at the start with him.

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>>33059187
Alain is truly /ourguy/.

>>33059158
Not that much. Ash being retarded and using bide against a fucking OHKO spammer. A dark/steel type beating Hawlucha. Stupid unfeazant doing anything competent.

Only good thing was pikachu curb stomping 3 pseudos, but that put ash so far ahead the writers had to make the rest of the team job and tie. Alain sucked so much charizard dick I completely expected the rest of his team to be undertrained

>>33059050
Charizard didn't come back because it already came back in Unova, and it would've felt painfully redundant if it did the same in Kalos.

>>33055188
But then we'd be here with shitposters crying about how much they hate Serena.

Oh wait

>>33059171
He wouldn't be the best in the world if he won the regular league. He'd still have to beat the E4 and Champion. He CAN win the league and lose to the E4. That's making progress.

>>33059194
And that logic is flawed, and contradicted by their own writing.

>>33059262
Ever consider that they don't want to do anything else after the league? There's really nothing being contradicted here, if they say they are going to end the show when he wins the league, then they're going to end the show when he wins the league. The endgame for the show is winning the league and that's that. Nothing you say can make it anything other than that unless the writers choose to change the end game.

>>33059278
Then why make his dream a "Pokemon Master", if winning a league, something they won't let him do, doesn't even come close to accomplishing his dream?

If he wins the league and the show ends, he still would have never accomplished his dream.

>>33059278
The endgame is becoming a Master, which is certainly not winning a league, as the league tournament isn't even the very top level in a single region.

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>>33054607
Nope

>>33059319
Because Pokemon Master has always been a strange vague title that generally only exists in the mind of Ash.

>>33059369
It's more that it's shitty writing

BURASTOOO

>>33059474
BAANNNN!!!

>>33059050
It still didn't accomplish anything, and it was a poorly conceived way to write a bond. Ash bonded with many Pokemon before without some hamfisted special snowflake form where they literally turn into him. It's just so fucking bad.

I'm all for the big water shuriken, which I fucking called since day 1, but the rest was stupid.

>>33059584
'Member, Ash isn't average human. Or normal.

Him being able to find hidden capabilities in that one Froakie isn't that stupid if you consider what's been said about Ash.

>>33059187
252 SpA Charizard-Mega-X Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash on a critical hit: 244-288 (85.6 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

>>33059639
Ash being a special snowflake defeats his appeal as an underdog. But they played it even worse than that, Froakie was just a mutant that Ash won in the lottery.

Ash teaching it to charge up giant water shurikens would have been fucking awesome, but the fusion thing was completely pointless.

>>33059714
Ash hasn't had an underdog appeal since OS. And even if it still had it, it sure as fuck hasn't helped him accomplish shit.

>>33059735
He's always had it up until XY. Him accomplishing anything in past seasons was impressive. In XY he just steamrolled everything until he got BLACKED, making it even more disappointing.

But hey, at least he unlocked Greninja's capability to grow stupid looking hair.

>>33059714
>Froakie was just a mutant that Ash won in the lottery.
Did you even bother to check what are you saying or you're just going in blind?

>Ash teaching it to charge up giant water shurikens would have been fucking awesome, but the fusion thing was completely pointless.
It was utterly wasted, right, like everything ever devised in any ad show ever produced, be it Anipoke, Transformers or anything.
BUT
The shuriken is just that. Shuriken. Problem that Ash had to face was the instability of fusion and tremendous drain it caused on both participants. And he was shown to struggle against it, struggle really hard, for better or worse, then get shrecked, and after coming to terms with himself overcame that hurdle

Also this >>33059735

>>33059769
>Him accomplishing nothing in past seasons was impressive
Fixed. And what?

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I'm annoyed that they didn't explain greninja's power up during the final attack.
Dunno if anyone pointed that out, but they changed the animation for greninja's final attack. All those black spots we saw in the end of the ash greninja vid, which aired 2 months before the actual episode, looked very similar to the black spots we saw when greninja ascended to his perfect form vs Diantha. This combined to the whole glowing eyes and red mark stuff actually seems like he ascended to another level. Why the fuck this power up was never explained to us, or displayed to us properly. it was literally the hype of the series back then.

>>33059790
>Ash has never accomplished anything
It's posts like this that make me think people being mad over Ash losing is a meme.

>>33059772
That's an artificially imposed challenge. It's forced, just like the form is forced. And what did he get from "mastering" it? Absolutely fucking nothing. The result would have been the same regardless. Everything about this is retarded.

Yes, I know Froakie left a few prior trainers for no adequately explained reason. Ash was still lucky being the first competent trainer it came across. The shuriken is a completely unrelated concept to a stupid looking trainer fusion, they just combined them for no real reason.

>>33059812
>orange league
Literally a mickeymouse cup.
>Battle Frontier
Glorified gym battles in the anime, to the point he could challenge them again if he lost.
>filler tournaments like "Whirlwind Cup"
My fucking sides.

>>33059815
>That's an artificially imposed challenge.
That can be used to demean literally everything

Tobias?
>That's an artificially imposed challenge.

N having mental capabilities of whetstone?
>That's an artificially imposed challenge.

Gary being little faggot just because?
>That's an artificially imposed challenge.

Nigger, this is fiction, everything here is artificially imposed, from the challenges through other characters at fucking name of 136th critter in NatDex ending. Only thing that matters is how much willing you are to accept what you're shown.

What he got from mastering it?
Besides being actually capable to put any confidence into 'speshul' mode even activating?
Well not much I guess.

Froakie left previous trainers for many reasons, two that I can recall were that others were using it as a tool to be used, not as a true partner or that they weren't willing to push themselves anywhere near their limits. Sorry if I am being fuzzy here, watched that quite long ago.

Shuriken is related to fusion because of '''powerlevel''' surge after synchro.
More power=more water to be made your bitch

>>33059836
>48 bym badges
>68 Pokemon
>Top 16 in every league he has participated in
>Winner of the Orange League, which like it or not is a league
>Battle frontier
>Several smaller tournaments
>Numerous regular battles
>Savior of the world
But yeah, he's never accomplished anything. Remainder that out of the other 3 trainers he started with that day, 2 quit a few weeks in and the other quit after he got schooled by Ash.
Man I feel sorry for the abuse your kids will suffer should he ever happen to come in second place instead of first in a major national competition. Would probably crucify them on the spot for never accomplishing anything.
Good thing none of you will have children.
The ironic thing is, all these criticisms come from people who have never come in second place in anything important, let alone first themselves.

Why did I even reply seriously to your poor bait anyway?

>>33059903
Cause almost everyone act like they love Ash.

>>33059878
False equivalence. Tobias was never meant to be a hurdle to overcome, he was there to have Ash go down in a blaze of glory. Comparing XY's writing to anything in BW is self-defeating. Gary is an actual example of a challenge, but there's nothing forced or outlandish about him, he's just a superior rival that motivated Ash to improve.

The special power that was asspulled out of fucking nowhere is forced. Ash had absolutely no real struggles in XY after the first gym, he was a flawless trainer until this completely alien bullshit with absolutely no buildup or precedent.

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>>33054607
This one was one of the best BTFO of ash right after tobias of the 6 legends, now i just want to know how the SM anime gonna ruin that faggot ash dream

>>33060019
You do not need to succeed at challenge for it to be a challenge.
And you seem to ignore that in fiction what is forced and what is not is subjective by nature, because it depends on how well the authors have sold you the story. And that varies wildly between people.

The special power was foreshadowed, and if you pay attention you can see when they suggest that something's strange here.

Ash having capability to connect with memefrog is nothing compared to shit like Sabrina or Olympia. No struggles is also dubious claim, since there's Sanpei, Korrina, to some extent Ramos, or Ash's lust for battling Diantha, or anyone about whom I had forgotten.

>>33060109
It's a shame they couldn't do anything about a rematch with Diantha

>>33060182
blame Masuda for shitting 40$ beta test because 'muh anniversary'

at very least we got kissu

>>33060109
For fuck's sake, you're completely misconstruing the point. It's not about whether something is "challenging," it's about the purpose it serves for the plot. You were arguing that struggling to master the fusion was character growth for Ash, in the same way as training to beat Gary. The difference is that a rivalry is a grounded and relatable avenue of progress that naturally occurs in any competitive environment. A totally alien power randomly bestowed upon an otherwise perfect Gary Stu is not grounded, it's forced.

No it wasn't fucking foreshadowed, there was nothing special about Froakie or their relationship, most of his Pokemon had some troubled past, usually even worse. The mutation and "special bond" was forced in retroactively after some 90 episodes of nothing of the sort.

>>33057331
It will

>>33058878
It's the writers fault for thinking they were somehow immune from the ever present threat of status quo.

>>33060246
>A totally alien power
In a world chokeful of Aura users, ghosts, mindrape and God REEEEEEEing at greedy faggots, a totally alien power.
That's kinda similar to newly introduced mechanic for no reason at all. Oh god, what a travesty.

>randomly bestowed
He's MC. Do you bitch at Bilbo being the most resilient to Ring in entire Middle-earth too?

>upon an otherwise perfect Gary Stu
:^)

>is not grounded, it's forced.
that's your opinion.

Prof's explanation, Froakie behaviour, it's rivalry with Sanpei's frog, few flashbacks here and there.
It was a given that's something fishy here.
Couple that with blatant powercreep everywhere and you do not need a Sherlock to anticipate something big to happen.

>>33060193
They make it seem like the anime writers don't know when the anime should end, that's not very professional.
DP went on for a long time between the 7th and 8th badge and the league got wrapped up kind of bittersweetly, BW finished too early I assume and had enough time for an arc back to Kanto, XY&Z had to rush. Will the SM anime have an extra arc or be rushed only time will tell I suppose unless US/UM has a big enough difference for it to affect the Ula Ula, Poni Island, and Aether Paradise episodes

>>33060252
>for only 20 years
M8 it will definitely last longer than that.

>>33060370
Tell me one aspect of Pokemon that can be called professional without giggling madly.

Of course the anime will be mismanaged if people doing it have barely any input on content to be shown and duration of the series.

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>>33060019
>he was there to have Ash go down in a blaze of glory.
Not in my eyes
I'm stall mad for Kalos League
But also still mad for Tobias, I always thought that the battle against Paul should have been the final

>>33060370
SM will probably be at least a little rushed. They are really dragging their feet.

>>33060385
Do I want to say the TCG Tournaments? Because the VGC's isn't handled badly but not well either

>>33060389
Ash's win against Paul served as closure to their rivalry, as well as to Infernape's arc, and Tobias was the writers way of saying "we can't let Ash win because the rival storyline is already over, but here, have this unbeatable Trainer with legendaries, we'll allow Ash to do what nobody else can and let him defeat two of his mons".

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>>33060359
Yes, alien even in context, because there is nothing like it in Pokemon. They took an established mechanic but it made more speshul and powerful to shill Greninja harder, and because they were too incompetent to write a bond without cringey fanfiction. It's much easier to pull shit out of your ass instead of being internally consistent.
Chosen one writing is never good, unless it's a chicken or egg kind of thing. It wasn't in this case, Ash just won the pokelottery.

Those things happened after the fact you stupid fuck. There was no buildup to them. Its rivalry with Frogadier didn't allude to any special power, in fact ep 17 was better written than the entire Greninja arc. Your revisionist bullshit isn't fooling anyone, there was nothing leading up to it before it was asspulled in the Olympia episode.

>>33059903
So why can't the writers just give him one league. Are they really afraid of having Ash win something big? Are their brains not capable of coming up with something other than Ash losing leagues?

Special snowflake Ashninja would have made a little sense if it had won the league (Ash literally needing an asspull to win one), but they even failed at that.

>>33060474
>So why can't the writers just give him one league
We need the losing streak to continue.

>>33060359
It's weird BECAUSE of things like
>newly introduced mechanic for no reason at all. Oh god, what a travesty.
They literally just introduced a mechanic for giving Pokemon crazy super forms the very gen Greninja showed up in. But they had to make him extra special for no real reason, and the game designers had to make up some bullshit unprecedented second hidden ability just to try and fit it into the games.

>>33060497

If Ash wins a league then it'll effectively be telling fans that they can achieve their dreams if they try really hard.

They want to be honest and remind us constantly that no matter how hard you try, no matter how close you get to winning, you will always be beaten by some asshole who you know does not deserve to win.

>>33060497
>Ash and Liverpool have won the same number of leagues since 1997
lmao

>>33060570
Winning the regional league doesn't make Ash a Pokemon MASTER anon. Winning the CHAMPION League doesn't make him master either.

In short the writers are idiots.

>>33060432
>there is nothing like it in Pokemon. They took an established mechanic but it made more speshul and powerful
>nothing like it
>took an established mechanic
whew, look at this.
So they do a variation of already known idea, keep the ground basis (muh fefes, muh connection), but take a new twist at it. Never seen things like this, truly.

Also you're talking about kids series. Might wanna swap out cringey for infantile, if you're really so persistent.

Again, things happen to protag because he is a protag, and 'chosen one' usually tends to be a protag.
Even if that choseness seems to come from right lineage. Pokelottery would be if Ash got his Froakie mailed it, or popped out of Fortune Cookie. But Froakie was seeking someone it felt confident about, and Ash impressed it.

I concede, misremembered the breeding facility flashback, even tho I think there was something else before that. Still, the backstory we got in initial episodes was explicit in telling that this Froakie is not a normal Froakie, powercreep to overcome was still obvious, and recurring character that fit in Fra.. Kalos even less than weaboo Valerie was also suggestive. There's only so much suspense you can cram in kids show before kids lose focus.
>>33060516
>But they had to make him extra special for no real reason
Blame Masuda for being incompetent at gamedev and forgetting to give Gen6 mons a Gen6 mechanic to counter a gen 6 powercreep.

>>33060619
Do you ever get tired of building strawmen? Can you not argue without logical fallacies
>there is nothing like it in Pokemon
As in pokemon+human transformation
>they took an established mechanic
As in a powered up form, and made it retarded

Ash never had chosen one powers at this level of fucking idiocy.Anything in the movies pales in comparison. Just because he's the protagonist doesn't mean they should pile awful protagonist tropes on him that he never had. It's a decline in the writing regardless.

>>33060570
>fans
Remember, it's an anime for kids.

>>33060663
>As in pokemon+human transformation
That's not pokemon+human transformation, that's telepathic connection between two.
>but muh sideburns
There's ages old depiction of another such Greninja and it does look in same way. Visual similarities are just a coincidence! :^)

>As in a powered up form, and made it retarded
What from the anime point of view is retarded in more crude and dangerous, but more powerful mega evolution?

>Anything in movies pales in comparison
>revived like thrice, key to a ancient ritual, Aura Guardian, continuity jumper for like three times, Marshadow's pacifier
You have really skewed view, dont ya?
Can't blame you, we all are subjective.

>>33059158
Yes, especially for Pikachu who was the real MVP and haven't had display that amount of power for a long time.

>>33060725
The fact that you have to put that shitsticker at the end of your statement isn't helping your case that this isn't awful writing. The old Greninja didn't look the same, it had different sideburns, so in the poor design fashion they grow their trainer's hair.

It's retarded because it has absolutely no precedent in the series. It was made only for the anime for no good reason. It looks stupid, it's a hamfisted way to write a bond even by the series' own standards.

>revived by a legendary pokemon
>happens to be in the right place to do a ritual anyone can physically do
>has a spiritual bond with a pokemon whose entire basis is spiritual powers
>participates in the affairs of legendary pokemon but does nothing another trainer couldn't
And then you have "Bond Phenomenon." An extension of human and pokemon bond? Nope, it isn't a new mechanic at all, just a unique ability of one conventional Pokemon, a human/pokemon transformation that has no discernible thematic connection to a ninja frog. And the cherry on the shit sundae it works nothing in the games like it does in the show, further cementing the whole thing as pointless.
It's a forced asspull, even by Pokemon standards.

>>33058719
You do realize that we get summaries and shit long in advance, and that if Ash was losing in the semifinals against Shota, we'd have know that a month before those episodes aired?
A LOT of the anger came from the fact that everyone were watching these episodes blind with no spoilers about what was going to happen. Shit like the result of the Tobias battle was known for like two months before it aired.

>>33060619
Oh, and this fucking line
>forgetting to give Gen6 mons a Gen6 mechanic to counter a gen 6 powercreep.
That's very funny since Protean Greninja is stronger than the vast majority of megas. He IS the powercreep. And the bond "mechanic" isn't a mechanic at all, but yet another broken ability that only makes Greninja stronger.

Are you done white knighting this stupid ass shit?

>>33059141
>>33059194
>>33059278
>>33059319
"If he wins the league the show will end" is a misquote. What he ACTUALLY said in that interview was "If he becomes a Pokemon Master the show will end". Which makes sense. The misquote makes no sense, but nobody ever said that in the first place.

>>33059171
You literally have a league finalist that only lost because he personally invited a guy that originally had no plans to compete. There's no difference in perceived skill here.

>>33060370
>They make it seem like the anime writers don't know when the anime should end
Yajima literally said this was the case in an interview. They did not know when gen 6 would end until around the point they started on the XY&Z series, and they had to rush through things more than they had assumed.

>>33059050
Why couldn't they just give Greninja a "berserk mode" like Infernape in the DP anime tho ?
After how disapointing the XY&Z ending was, this form seems just useless.

>>33061107
Infernape didn't have a "Berserk mode", it was a super special snowflake version of Blaze that does not exist outside the anime and is exclusive to Ash's special Infernape IN the anime.

Are you literally saying that instead of Yajima asking Gamefreak if they could make a special Greninja form so he could use it in the anime, he should've just pulled some bullshit anime-only form out of his ass?

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>>33061158
>super special snowflake version of Blaze
>not an exaggerated version of Torrent

>>33056107
Stop being such a kid

>>33061158
Fuck you stupid cunt

>>33061158
>super special snowflake version of Blaze
It was literally just blaze. It was strong because of Infernape's pent up anger from being mistreated, which he learned to harness through his friendship with Ash. It was emotional development directly tied to his character arc, not a completely unique special mutant power exclusive to him.

Can we all just agree that the writers excuses for not wanting Ash to win a league no longer work?

>>33061431
They've never made any, their "excuse" is a misquote >>33060980

>>33054607
I'm still mad.

>>33061490
Do they consider winning the league being a Pokemon Master? Alain wasn't treated as a Pokemon Master.

>>33061607
No. The problem is a bunch of retards DO think winning a league = Pokemon Master (I think the dub said something like that at some point), so they paraphrased the actual quote as "the writers said Ash won't win a league because then the series would end" because in their mind, that's the same thing.

Hence all the supposed misinformation. The writers have never claimed winning a league makes you a Pokemon Master, they obviously don't think this is the case because the show has outright stated otherwise at multiple points, and they've never ever even remotely claimed Ash will never win a league. All that stuff is just idiots spreading misinformation.

>>33061647
What's taking them so long then? I think they should have let Ash win a regional league by this point:

Top 16
Top 8
Top 8
Top 4
Top 8
Runner Up

They are really dragging their fucking feat. I can't see Ash winning a league in Alola, if there will even be one.

>>33061667
This is why people had hopes he'd win in XY.

>>33061667
Because, for some retarded reason, writers do seem to think that he should win the league only when the anime ends.

>>33061686
No, that's what retarded people like you think the writers think.

>>33061690
What other explanation there is? Because the anime already states that winning a league doesn't even make you the best in the region (E4 and Champion), let alone a Master; in theory there should be nothing to stop them from, say, having him win a league and then job against the Elite 4. Unless they actually think that winning a league will make Ash a Master, even though it contradicts what's been already stated in the anime itself.

>>33061713
They're making him do increasingly better.

>>33061746
If you think the next step they're taking him to is winning a league, then congratulations on being a retard.

>>33061759
What other next step up is there from "losing the finals"?

>>33061766
Losing again. This is a series where failure is the only option.

At least with characters like Serena and Dawn, them losing makes sense because they will actually accomplish their dreams if they had won. Ash won't. Winning a league does not make him a master.

In short, the writers don't know what they're doing so they have him lose leagues over and over again because they don't want to put effort in writing something different league wise

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>>33058894
>tfw there's not a doujin where Alain fucks Serena while Ash sees it

>>33054625
Holy shit that day was glorious. I remember being a newfag on this board back then and actually seeing the hype before it all crashed down. Jesus christ it was like the bombing of hiroshima. Niggas were livid as FUCK! so mad to the point they started coming up with calculations on how it was impossible for him to lose.

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>>33056116
Notice how Ash is getting higher as each region passes, he's going to win it soon, just give it another 8 years :^)

>>33059050
Yes but Y-zard vs X-zard would of been the shit to watch, plus ash's zard has way more battle experience and power, not to mention ash winning the league with charizard would cement their bond forever due to the shit they've gone through. It would been heartwarming as fuck finally seeing charizard at max power and win a league for ash after bullshitting all these years.

>>33059086
That's a shit ass way to explain something that can essentially happen with any pokemon and any trainer.

>>33059158
Nah, Shota's was better cause I had no idea where that fight was going. with Alain it was painfully obvious what direction they were going in.

>>33062712
Charizard lost two leagues, one of those by being a dick. He's a jobber.

>>33059171
What I find stupid is that this nigga actually battled the champ and atleast pushed her alittle, so I dunno why they think him winning the league would make a fucking difference. If anything the battle frontier was essentially ash winning a league and still battling stronger trainers.

If we're lucky maybe ash will get 2nd place in a league that not gonna even exist until the last 1/3 of the series. Why can't they just let him win? I personally blame everyone who worked on the godawful localized sub for spreading lvictor=master=end

>>33061268
This, and it would be been better to have greninja be under the same conditions. Makes no sense when you do the same thing with two separate pokemon and only one gains some mysterious power up out the ass.

>>33062615
bahahahaha!!!!!! fucking what?

>>33062730
Exactly, hence why I said it would be heartwarming to see him win one dummy.

>>33062797
Most people in this board will die of old age before that happens.

>>33062770
>Being this mad
You KNOW that would be hot

That day I started hate both, Charizard and Greninja.
I hate everything.

Nope. Not because I thought Ash would lose but the timing was bad. If Ash won the celebration would've been cut short by the red Zygarde stuff.
If they want Ash to win they can't have a major story like that going on.

>>33060843
>>33060888
Yeah, because naturally having 'aura' so strong that Lucario noticed only him and then mistook him for it's previous partner could happen to anybody.

I don't know why you have so much disdain for froggo, and I am not sure if I want to know.
Just try not to rub in too much salt wherever it hurt you.

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>>33054656
>being so mad that you steal a ME3 ending mad post

>>33063446
It's always hilarious when people mistake slightly rewritten pasta for genuine autistic rage.

>>33054607
Alain did no wrong doings.

The real problem is that the writers gave Ash a shitty and vague goal, that they won't even allow him to accomplish an important step of.

>>33064567
And makes money.

>>33054607
Ashanime was shit and it will always be shit, so i wouldnt care less

>>33065781
Learn to write, faggot.
You're 100% spot on though.

I really hate the excuse, that it's for kids, therefore can't be good. There are plenty of good kids shows.

The fact they rather put no effort into Ash's story is sad. I don't see why Rica still likes voicing a character that never goes anywhere and is one of the biggest failures in terms of accomplishments when compared to other anime protagonist

>>33066135
Because they've accepted that the anime is a commercial ad with no other value beyond boosting merchandise and ticket sales. Maybe you should do the same.

>>33066135
Because Japan likes it and Rica doesn't give two shits what some faggots writes in English on the Internet.

>>33066135
Fairly sure Dan Castellaneta still likes voicing Homer even though the Simpsons has been a trainwreck for more seasons than it's been good at this point.

>>33066166
If they don't care about anything beyond that, then why bother develop characters at all? Just have them accomplish their goal. Kids do when they play the game.

Is Ash just a tool for the writers to say..."hey be better than this shit trainer"?