Name a better Starter line >each stage changes sufficiently

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>>32872347
Literally my mom's leaf snake. Try again.

The middle stage is absolute shit that you can tell only exists because they couldn't find a proper way to bridge the first and last design so they just started making the elements that don't transition vestigial.

>>32872362
fpbp.

>>32872347

Serperior: European royalty
Emboar: Chinese warrior
Samurott: Samurai

Gen 5 was the starter of each starter fulfilling a certain archetype, it just wasn't as pronounced as the Gen 6 and 7 ones

All the Gen 3 starters

>>32872347
Serperior is just so... Boring. Not a bad design, just bland and forgettable.

>>32872347
Serperior is my favorite Pokemon. Excellent taste OP.

>>32872400
>Gen 5 was the starter of each starter fulfilling a certain archetype, it just wasn't as pronounced as the Gen 6 and 7 ones

Exactly my point you wouldn't be able to guess their archetypes unless told about them.

>>32872572
Maybe if you're retarded? The theme for Gen 5 is pretty pronounced.

>>32872572

Not AS pronounced, but still pretty pronounced

Serperior clearly looks like a European monarch, Emboar clearly looks Chinese, and Samurott clearly looks like a samurai (Japanese)

>>32872832
What makes Emboar Chinese?

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>>32872850

Similar markings on its body to Infernape

>>32872868
What makes Infernape Chinese?

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>>32872347
I like Serperior but it's pre-evos never appealed to me(smug snake with limbs and oversized head? A forgettable middle stage design?). I even find Samurott's line more appealing as each stage has their own charm of appeal.

>>32874574
muh zodiac

>>32872850
>>32874574
The gold spirals.

>Loses arms
>Despite having a slick design, its defenses are higher than its offenses.
If it wasn't for the leaf storm gimmick, it'd be worse Meganium

>>32874574
infernape was based on sun wukong, some character from journey to the west. i think it's the same character akira toriyama based son goku from.
huh now that i think of it, was emboar based from zhu bajie?

>>32874757
>Loses arms
You mean legs right?
>it'd be worse Meganium
Not with that 113 Speed. Only problem for Serperior is its shallow movepool

>>32874757
No, its still better than Meganium outside of being a Cleric.

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>>32874757
>its bad if you get rid of a thing it has

>>32874849
>he

Literally any other starter line

>>32872347
I can name several. Bulbasaur's, Charmander's, Totodile's, and Torchic's.

>>32872411
Its just a shittier rehash of sceptile

>>32874849
>watermark

Reminder that the Snivy line has the most amount of Japanese fanart of any starter, even more than the Charmander line.

>>32874807
>was emboar based from zhu bajie?
Yes.

>>32874920
Where are the numbers? Show us

>>32875180
It's true, but just as a line. The single stages aren't more popular than other popular starters.

>>32872850
The design is based off Zhu Bajie of Journey to the West and the gold markings on its body are similar to those found on a lot of traditional chinese wear.

That and Ken Sugimori straight up said the Emboar line was designed with a chinese motif.

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>>32875180
1. Snivy line (11497)
2. Charmander line (11062)
3. Oshawott line (7599)
4. Fennekin line (7009)
5. Cyndaquil line (6286)
6. Froakie line (5963)
7. Bulbasaur line (5731)
8. Torchic line (4564)
9. Rowlet line (4246)
10. Piplup line (4195)

11. Mudkip line (3973)
12. Chikorita line (3832)
13. Squirtle line (3740)
14. Tepig line (3668)
15. Treecko line (3102)
16. Chespin line (2874)
17. Totodile line (2617)
18. Popplio line (2501)
19. Litten line (2395)
20. Chimchar line (1593)
21. Turtwig line (1040)

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>>32875249
>Chimchar that low

>>32875249
Most of the Snivy line fanart is for Snivy though. Servine and Serperior aren't as popular

>>32875199
>The design is based off Zhu Bajie of Journey to the West
Actually Emboar is based on some random soldier character from another chinese story called "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" hence the fighting type.

>>32875286
Infernape has more pics than Empoleon and Torterra.
It is less popular as a line, but it also has most popular final stage.

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>>32875293
4th place out of the 21 ain't bad.

1. Charizard (7010)
2. Greninja (3583)
3. Typhlosion (3021)
4. Serperior (2863)
5. Blaziken (2172)
6. Swampert (1468)
7. Samurott (1369)
8. Delphox (1367)
9. Venusaur (1324)
10. Sceptile (1115)

11. Blastoise (1029)
12. Feraligatr (937)
13. Infernape (919)
14. Empoleon (918)
15. Emboar (835)
16. Primarina (786)
17. Decidueye (770)
18. Meganium (618)
19. Chesnaught (600)
20. Incineroar (529)
21. Torterra (375)

And no mid-stage is popular except for Quilava, and Braixen. Charmeleon too to an extent.

Serperior is fucking useless in BW1. It gets ZERO moves to hit steel types for at least neutral damage and is relegated to crappy defensive roles which aren't great for it because of its pure grass typing. It gets Aqua Tail in BW2 but then again Emboar gets Low Kick, Superpower and Thunder Punch in those games which is complete easy mode.

>>32875249
You have to take into consideration that the snivy line is a vore magnet.

>>32875249
>>32875312
>sinnoh that low after 10 years
b-but vp told me it had one of the best and most loved starter trios ever

>>32875312
What the fuck happened with Torterra?
Is it too "uninteresting" for people to draw it?
Is it too similar to Venusaur, which is also relatively unpopular?

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>>32875312
>sinnoh starters having the lowest amount of art

>>32875312
SINNOHFETI ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>32872347
>green lizard
>bigger green lizard
>green snake
C-creative! Good! Amazing!
>>32872832
>clearly
lol
Primarina looks more like European royalty with those hair and all.

>>32875249
>only pixiv
>no twitter data because tags
>no other jap socials
>not considering when pixiv was introduced
hmmm...

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>>32875312
Still the best

>>32872347
Vore: The Starter

>>32874862
Charmander's line
-design is too simple
-main difference between the first and last evo is that charizard has wings
-first stage has an ugly head
-final stage is only the best in its gen because the other two are so shitty
-dragons are cool which explains its popularity but the series has better dragons (also there are millions of dragons out there)
+mega evos are cool (especially considering how man awful mega evos their are) but not really a fair comparison

Bulbasaur's line
-unlike other starters it doesn't actually resemble any real world animals which might make have made it original but instead it just feels formless and lacking in identity
-might as well have been forgotten completely since gen 2 introduced a better version of it
-mega evolution might as well not exist
-gen 7 introduced an alola form which does what its mega evo was doing (which is make the trunk bigger) and made it more distinctive and memorable

Squirtle's line
+first stage is pretty cute
-middle stage differentiates itself with cloud ears and a tail
-last stage is a digimon
+-mega evo is meh and leaning to the negative side thanks to the smaller cannons on its arms
-blastoises "water gun" gimmick has been forever outdone by clauncher

Chikorita's line
-defend the first stages head i dare you
-first stage is complete shit becaus of it
+better version of bulbasaur
+each stage is actually distinctive from each other
+final evo is cute and not badass
-main thing lacking compared to snivy is detail

Cyndaquil's line
-it just gets bigger: the starter pokemon
-back is an ugly colour and not even some shade of red/orange/yellow
-final evo is lame
+middle evo is really cute

Totodile's line
+-first evo is meh
-second evos is differentiated by markings which look like a torn diaper
-final evolution is distinguished from the other two by shitty ridges no none asked for
-only other difference is a shitty punk ridge design which looks shitty on croconaw

>>32875501
Torchic's line
+first evo is really cute, also sounds adorable in the anim
+all the stages are distinctive from each other
-middle evo somehow loses all of torchic's cuteness while only being kind-off badass which is bad even by middle evo standards
-final evos hood is shit as are the yellow markings on its legs
+mega evo gets rid of everything wrong with blaziken and actually makes it into a cool pokemon
-adds a new awful thing to it in the form of ugly fiery streamers which could easily have been a cool arm band

Mudkip's line
+mudkip is really, really cute
+as is its final evolution
-but less cute then mudkip
-mid evo still looks shit despit the main reason for mid evos being shit is due to them falling in between the cuteness of the first stage and th badassery of th final stage
-mega evos gimmick just makes it look less cute then regular swampert while still failing to be badass

Treecko's line
+every stag does have its own distinctive feel to it
-treecko literally isn't even cute in any way which every other single first stage starter manages to be
-tail is also really ugly
-middle stage is like combusken in the sense that it is not cool while only being slightly badass either
-final stage is somehow less badass then the middle evo which means like its first evolution you can just gloss over it
-both its tail and back tumours (i don't know what to call them) are ugly and obnoxious
-its mega evolution takes these two aspects and maks them even more ugly and obnoxious

Turtwig's line
+first evolution is pretty cute
-middle evo is shite but then again so is every other middle evo
-final evo has a whole landscape on its shell

Chimchar's line
-first evo is derpy but not in a cute way
-middle evo has an obnoxious marking over its eyes
-final evo keeps the obnoxious eye marking only changing its colour to something less in your face
-spirals around the chest weren't needed

>>32875503
Piplup's line
+-first stage is sought of derpy-cute but every other derpy-cute starter that has come after it has been better
-middle stage is shit
-final stage would have been imposing if it wasn't for how clumsy it seems
-flipper claws don't need to exist

Oshawott's line
+oshawott is really, really, really adorable actually even more so then snivy
-final evo is completely unrelated to the other two and looks more clumsy then badass

Tepig's line
-not much to talk about other then emboar being too otherdesigned

Chespin's line
+every single stage feels distinct from each other
+starter is actually cuter then most
-the middle stage
-the final stage

Froakie's line
+starter is cute, also frubbles
+middle evo is both more cute and more badass then the average middle stage
-final evo would be pretty cool if it wasn't for the ear things on the side of its head
-ash greninja exists

Fennekin's line
+beginning of the furbait middle stage starter gimmick
+i want to fuck braixen
-final stage is carrying a fucking stick
-seriously a fucking STICK!
-seriously gamefreak you didn't need to add the fucking STICK! to remind us you were going for the fighter/rogue/mage triad
-dress goes from braixens cute skirt to shitty mage robes

Popplio's line
+popplio is derpy-cute
+continues the furbait middle stage starter gimmick
+i want to fuck brionne
+-primarina is okay

Rowlet's line
+rowlet is also derpy-cute
-they made decidueye a fucking archer like fucking seriously this is delphox fucking 2: electric boogaloo
-they haven't made a dual blade wielding pokemon yet which so why would they resort to shit like sticks and arrows?

>>32875507
Litten's line
+litten is edgy-cute
-middle evo has a shitty bell
-incineroar is regularly insulted on /vp/ for being shitty, what more needs to be said
-oh yeah it has another stupid accesory which could have even looked like another body part but instead gamefreak made it clear that its another dumb accesory
-oh did i forgot to mention that it suffers from "it just gets bigger syndrome"

....Snivy's line on the other hand
+snivy is both smug and cute
+i hope you are aware that when something is both cute and something else that makes them more cute
-middle evo is the weak link but having a middle stage being better then a final stage is a bad thing which would cause you to not want to evolve it
+final evolution is really badass
+final evolution manags to set itself apart from its pre-evos via distinct patterning and not by transforming into something completely different or turning into an rpg companion

TLDR: Only Mudkip, Popplio and Chikorita come anywhere close.

>>32875501
>>32875503
>>32875507
>>32875508
On one hand I want to tell you to fuck off but on the other hand you praised my favorite starter so....this is somewhat okay taste I guess

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>>32875507
>i want to fuck braixen
>i want to fuck brionne
At least I know why you have such awful taste now
>>32875508
>snivy is both smug and cute
Looking smug isn't cute, it's annoying, unless you want to fuck whatever is smug.
Servine is the worst designed middle-stage starter of all time. It looks like total ass.
>Final evolution looks really badass
In what way? It has no interesting facial expression or readable body language unlike every other final evolution. It's also the worst looking snake Pokemon to date. Good fun in competitive, though.

Shit taste, fuck you for getting me annoyed enough to type all of this out.

Pic related, it's more interesting than Serperior and better designed than Servine

>>32872362
This.

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>>32875405
It's the least fuggable starter.

1. Charizard (3325)
2. Blaziken (2300)
3. Typhlosion (1560)
4. Greninja (1549)
5. Delphox (1125)
6. Serperior (919)
7. Feraligatr (818)
8. Samurott (529)
9. Primarina (522)
10. Swampert (428)

11. Sceptile (421)
12. Incineroar (410)
13. Infernape (362)
14. Blastoise (324)
15. Chesnaught (308)
16. Venusaur (279)
17. Decidueye (266)
18. Emboar (221)
19. Meganium (180)
20. Empoleon (119)
21. Torterra (81)

>>32875501
>>32875503
>>32875507
>>32875508
>Using the word cute incorrectly
Straight into the trash

>>32875888
How is he using the word incorrectly? There are many varieties of what is considered "cute" and it's all subjective anyway

>>32875876
It just looks like the Sinnoh starters final stages are eternally last placed everywhere. They might actually be the least popular ones.

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>>32875432

Serperior has a goddamn fleur-de-lis on its chest

>>32875912
Sinnoh is one of the more disappointing regions for me in terms of mon designs tbqh. My teams usually consisted of only one or two original Sinnoh mons with the rest being crossgen evos/past regions. The Sinnoh starters also have the worst middle stages I've ever seen and the final stages are just tolerable to me.

>>32875892
Cute generally refers to an imitation of the effects the looks of a baby have on you. Not liking a design doesn't make it not a cute design if it fits that criteria.