Hourly reminder that GF isn't "incompetent" because

>>32794728

Pokemon doubles is definitely meant to be seriously competitive anon

>>32794728
Alright, let me bring my EV trained Mega Rayquaza with me, fun right?

>>32794728
If it wasn't supposed to be competitive then Gamefreak wouldn't have included all of this competitive garbage in the game. It's a competitive game, get over it.

If it's casual all the more reason it should be balanced so people can enjoy playing with whatever variables they want

Then they'd have made it so there's no way to influence IV/EVs.

>>32794756
It's an rpg, it's not supposed to be balanced.

>>32794728
>Pokemon IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A SERIOUSLY COMPETITIVE GAME

Then why are there tournaments with money on the line each year?

>>32794812
*college fund money

>>32794728
>Hourly reminder that GF isn't "incompetent" because the "metagame isn't balanced".

that's why we got psychic terrain and nerfed talonflame? that's why we got buffs? that's why meta is cancer?

>>32794878
Get on with the times grandpa, that doesn't happen since at least 2 years

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>GF sets up annual competitive tournaments ever since RBY
>GF introduces new competitive features every generation
>GF makes changes every generation that only affect competitive play

Really makes me think

I don't see why people want to play competitive Pokemon. Pokemon's gameplay is already shit when playing it single-player, I can't imagine why anyone would want to waste their time building a team and playing against other people.

>>32794744
At least 70% of Pokemon are completely outclassed by the remaining 30%.

I guess it's natural selection at work.

>>32794728
Ok, then why are mechanics like EV training and IV breeding in the game then, mechanics explicitly DESIGNED to make a pokemon as good as it can possibly be? Or the minmaxing of the ultra beasts stats so that players know what kind of role they serve?

>>32797787
IVs are proof that pokemon isn't a competitive game

>>32800480
Okay then, I'm sure you'll win a tournament or two with your in game team that beat the E4. Without removing the HM moves.

>worse than smashfags

At least the competitive Pokemon community doesn't shove their interest at Pokemon fans who prefer other things or laugh at others who play it for fun. 80% of the Smash fandom plays the games competitively and you get shitted on for playing casually more often than not.

>>32800505
That 80% of the fandom is what we call Melee players and please don't lump them up with us. We like to play games. They like to stay in the past and whine because Nintendo wont support their old and dead (in terms of how many new people have gotten good and big) game.
There's a reason why it's called a solved game.

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>>32794728
>IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE COMPETITIVE
>officially hosts annual competitive tournaments
they obviously know there's a competitive scene they've been encouraging it since gen 1 and keep adding things to it with each generation

>>32794728
Collect your favourites and battle with them, but don't if your favourites are Pokemon like Venusaur

>>32800606
what if my favourite is chinchou? or Pyukumuku? Or Charmander?

ITs bullshit.

They should put all pokemon on one stage. all shold have the same BST, no more pseudolegendarys, remove sub-legys like the genies, UB´s and stuff from the comp scene and decrease the amount of staller/limit the selfhealing to a certain amount that is not fucked up

Finally we could play with pokemon we love, not the 30-40 pokemon almost ANYONE uses because others dont stand a chance

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>>32800626
mega evolutions should of been used exclusively to make shitmons viable in competitive. Instead we got a bunch of pandering.

>>32800643
yeah.

garchomp, HA Blaziken, Primals, Fug....They shouldve never got one.

Im really suprised that the UB´s have no one (YET)

>>32800626
Reminder that Pyukumuku is unironically good in OU.

>>32800650
IF you´re lucky

>>32800647
that's because GF's done with mega evolution and they've moved onto Z-Moves and regional variants.

>>32800626
Mate, my favourite is Walrein. Just accept your favourite is shit and move on.
Some Pokemon just aren't designed to be good, and that's fine.

>>32800677
no its not

800+ pokemon, but only around 40 are usable

Pokemon GO explore the world - most efficiently at the starbucks in the next city

Both are shit designs and everyone knows it

>>32794728
How old are you, OP?

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>>32794728

Yeah. It's role-playing video game about collecting.

You're suppose to capture all Pokémon in existence for Pokédex related purposes.

Battles Online features are not part of in-game universe canon.

>>32800777
>You're suppose to capture all Pokémon in existence for Pokédex related purposes.
Except this is wrong and if you did ANY fucking research you'd know that. Pokemon was created because of the link cable experience. Satoshi Tajiri grew up collecting and trading bugs with his friends, but urbanization destroyed small woodlands he used to play in making his old hobby out of reach for most kids. So he wanted to recreate that experience for today's kids, and the game boy caught his eye as the platform to do it. Eventually the link cable was replaced by Wi-Fi which is better in EVERY single way. Online interaction is a CORE FEATURE OF THE FUCKING GAME.

I have been playing since RBY and have never once given half a shit about "catching them all. I have only ever cared about capturing/breeding my favorites and raising them to be absolute beasts in battle, and then pitting them against my friends teams.

And guess what? I had fun. Don't tell me how to play a fucking game I paid money for.

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>>32801098
>and have never once given half a shit about "catching them all

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>>32801098
>and have never once given half a shit about "catching them all
DELET THIS HERESY

>>32801104
>>32801112
>He's content to capture and imprison hundreds of magical beasts in a computer database, which he will likely never remove from there again
Fucking savages, those Pokemon will never see the light of day again. Real trainers only capture Pokemon they plan to use.

>>32800688
>only around 40 are usable
that's completely and utterly wrong
there are a lot of niche pokemon you can use with success. the issue is that you have no reason to use them over better pokemon, but they can indeed serve roles.
perhaps what you meant to say was viable, but making every single pokemon viable is an impossible task without completely butchering the game mechanics

>>32801138
>he doesn't know the rules

>>32801147
>No sticky thread with said rules
I know your fucking meme rules, but they aren't enforced. This board is only subject to the global rules.

Let me ask you again, how old are you, OP?

>>32801157
>he hasn't read the board-specific rules

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>>32801098

You're suppose to capture every single Pokémon for Pokédex related purposes.

It's whole point of Pokémon.

You're suppose to capture every single Pokémon in existence.

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>>32801098

Catch Pokémon and expand You're collection.

You're suppose to capture every single Pokémon for Pokédex related purposes and It's necessary for better batting with other Pokémon Trainers.

>>32801146
>that's completely and utterly wrong
I know, right? It's like he hasn't even seen a VGC match. There's nowhere near 40 viable pokemon.

>>32794728
Do you think they will retcon the point system and will add ranks?

>>32800480
>IVs are proof that pokemon isn't a competitive game
LMFAO. What? IVs are a Pokemon's genetics; ones with better IVs will usually inherently be stronger than those with bad IVs.

>>32801201
retcons are overwhelmingly unnecessary
You can't fix what isn't broken.

>>32800661
Good.

>>32794728
>'party game' like
Agreed up until that point.
Pokemon is not a party game, not every casual game is a party game, you are retarded.

>You spergs are worse than smashfags, honestly.
Fighting games are already party games.
If you don't play Tekken while cracking open a cold one with the boys you're a fucking basic bitch and a tool.
It's still a fighting game.

>>32800480
Actually, those are total proof that pokemon is a competitive game considering how A: they are basically pokemon genetics and influence how good their stats are all around and B: the player has some control in how these IVs are handled in the form of breeding.

There's also the fact that GF implemented hyper training as an in-game way of fast tracking your pokemons IVs to top condition so they clearly intend for you to use it.

>>32801279
>If you don't play Tekken while cracking open a cold one with the boys you're a fucking basic bitch and a tool.
While I agree with you, I don't think you know what a basic bitch is. Also being the type to say "cracking open a cold one" kinda makes you a tool.

>>32797743
cry harder faggot

>>32800688
>40 are useable
No, 40 are POPULAR. You wanna know what I use on my competitive team? Mega Blastoise, Garchomp, Galvantula, Chandelure, Chesnaught and god damn Braviary. 5/6ths of my team is considered to be at least UU or below but I still found a way to make them work in high level play.

>>32801339
>Mega Blastoise
>TFW your bro would be amazing if they'd just give him recovery

>>32801339
1300 ELO isn't that impressive.

>>32801346
What if there's a slack off tutor in USUM and Blastoise gets it? Post yfw

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>>32801355
I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>32801339
>but I still found a way to make them work in high level play.
You have no flying switchins at all though.
If Pinsir sets up a Swords Dance you just straight up fucking lose.
This team is bad and you should feel bad.

>>32801098
have fun with your ban

>>32801328
>Also being the type to say "cracking open a cold one" kinda makes you a tool.
It's a meme you dip

>>32800626
Found the socialist

>>32801506
I'm still here. ;)

>>32801366
I hate people saying "this team is bad" and shit like that. You can win with fucking anything, as I have, endless amounts of times. As long as you aren't going online with a team full of ledians, then you're gonna have a chance. People need to fucking git gud and stop thinking that the only viable pokemon are the ones tiered at OU and above.

>>32801737
Yeah, you're right.
That team is great against anyone that isn't running Mega Medicham, Mega Pinsir, Mega Charizard X, Hoopa, Latios, or Scarf Lele.
You can easily win with anything as long as none of your opponents are running any of those extremely common pokemon that your team has no answers to.

>>32801207
well no retcon but they can add ranks to it. Would made more fun, instead of just numbers you can see on a online site

>>32794728
That image is giving horrible flashbacks to the weather wars

>>32801322
No, having a mechanic that completely undermines fairness or otherwise directs you to do some non-competitive related aspect of the game for dozens of hours means this isn't a game intrinsically or primarily meant for serious competitive.

>>32801805
ok, for the team he specifically posted, sure, tweaking is good, but my point was that all of the pokemon listed are individually capable of being great. It's more about the team building skills, than about the team itself if that makes sense.
Also,
>Mega medicham
>common

>>32794728
>Worse than Meleefags
Ftfy. It's a good game but it's dated with like 8 viable characters. Imagine genwunners a lot worse

Brawl was a tripping meme (though Meta Knightless tourneys are fun to watch), PM is pretty cool, but Smash 4 is infinitely fun.

Tbh, if Brawl weren't so garbage, the Melee community wouldn't be so cemented as it is now

Indeed. Al the faggots talking about muh metagame need to be euthanized.

>>32802275
>Most used Mega in OU
>Not common

>>32794744
No, it isnt. Kys smogonfag

>>32794728
IV/EV have been in the game since Red/Blue.
The game was designed with competitive play in mind.

>>32801204
>LMAFO ROFL XDDD
End yourself, autistic nigger

>>32794728
What a shit excuse to explain the imbalance. How come there are so many gamefreak cocksuckers that defend every sinlge one of gamefreaks flaws?
>game has a shit story
>"well its a kids game so it's meant to be shit, you're just autistic!"
>meanwhile, Mother series

>gamefreak keeps taking out features of their games because of "uniqueness"
>well its a kids game so who cares if features are taken away you're just autistic
>meanwhile Level 5., where they only remove features when said feature is trash, and mostly take features and improve on them with each sequel, as well as adding more stuff.

>pokemon has barely any postgame
>"well its a kids game, and plus I personally don't care for postgame so that means it should not be in the game at all! You have the shoddy Battle Spot, so stop complaining!"
>meanwhile, every RPG in existence, with at least half of them being for children.

>>32802700
>IV/EV have been in the game since Red/Blue
Wrong

>>32801339
post your Showdown elo then. High level play is considered to be 1600+. If you're not there, you don't know shit.

>>32794784
that's how it was early on, but autists found a way

>>32802901
showdown and smogon distort the meta by banning certain strategies, they aren't really reflective of the real game's meta
For example, all pokémon with moody are bannes from UBERS, shit like bibarel even. That's because evasion absolutely stemrolls all other strategies. If pokémon were really meant to be competitive, the best strategies wouldn't be so reliant on random chance.

>>32794728
>GF isn't incompetent

>>32801913
>tapu/UB/genie wars are better

>>32802890
Um, nope. That's completely accurate, retard although in Gen III they changed how EVs and IVs work (and debatably made them worse)

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>>32794728
I miss the weather wars memes

>people still think Game Freak has no knowledge of competitive scene

These are the same people that tried to get us hyped up for Crabrawler by showing it take out Landours and Mega Kangaskan.

They have a clue and ive never honestly understood the hatred for wanting pokemon to be usable outside of the desire to see competitive fags complain.

I dont even care about the debate, I just hate that GF gets away with not caring about balancing their own game because people just argue that "ITS MEANT TO BE RETARDED"

I hate GF

>>32797765
A lot of Pokemon gain viability in doubles

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>>32794728
>it's not about the gameplay!
>it's not about the graphics!
>it's not about whether or not the game is good!

>>32806324
And even more become complete dogshit in that format

>>32806341
This. What the fuck?
>SM IS JUST A KID'S GAME IT'S GREAT FOR WHAT IT IS!
So, it sucks?

When is GF gonna get fired.

>>32794728
The one thing it has over other mainstream JPRGs is the multiplayer aspects, and half of that is competing against other players.
I'm not saying the game has anything close to decent balance, but you can't blame people for trying to salvage something from it. A lot of people see post-game training and competitive play as a justification for buying the current games.

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>>32794728
That image shows how ignorant the faggots who hate competitive really are. They think it's really complex and boring mind game, but really, it's not. It's just hitting hard hoping to kill, or wasting time hoping to survive. That's it. There's nothing more.

>>32808808
Too bad the one good thing about XY/ORAS (online) was completely butchered and ruined in SM. I thought XY were mediocre/not that great but I still put about a K of hours into it breeding and battling, but SM it's just a headache so really there's no justification for Pokémon anymore. It's ass.

>>32805262
That's the problem though. They show awareness, but only chime in occasionally, often ignoring overbearing Pokemon and nerfing ones that were perfectly fine. Then they fuck off till the next games.
If they are going to try balancing things, they need to go all in. Jumbling things up every few years isn't helping at all.

>>32794728
It is one of the only JRPG with pvp.

Is there any JRPG with actual competitive pvp that focuses on team planning and prediction?

I don't know how anyone can actually believe the game isn't designed to be competitive when it has ranked matchmaking, official tournaments for money, and other competitive specific features.

S/M is reasonably well balanced and made a ton of important nerfs. GF isn't incompetent at balancing, they just can't make every little detail specifically designed for online battles because it's still primarily a single player game for most people.

>>32808949
Stop posting, you underage idiot. I'd also take girl.

>>32808949
The problem is that most people like 6v6 singles, but it is not suitable for a tournaments.

I hope that the Gen 8 games for Switch will be a complete reboot of the series with revamped stats, abilities and movepools, active engagement with the competitive community and frequent balance patches to remove clearly broken mons instead of having to wait 1 year and dumping 50 dollaridoos on the next iteration.

>>32809531
I don't know what that's got to do with balance but Japan doesn't even play 6v6 singles, GF doesn't care what some smogondrones do on an unofficial simulator