Why doesn't hail increase Ice-types defense like sandstorms

>>32727366
Blizzard gets 100% accurate Blizzards instead.
None of the Weather types are equal to each other.
Doesn't make it equally good, but that's how it goes.
Any more retarded questions?

>>32727366
>Ice
>is
>a
>fucking
>shit
>defensive
>typing
Get it inside your god damn head already

Because Gamefreak is stupid

>>32727366
Even if that were the case, how many of them could honestly make the most out of such a thing?

>>32727380
Yes, I have a few. Why doesn't Poliwrath get aqua jet when all the pokedex says is how fast it is in water?

>>32727366
>Using Ice types in battle

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>>32727382
Bruh.

>>32727402
That one's just Gamefreak being retarded without a real purpose.

>>32727408
Literal dogshit.

>>32727407
>not using Weavile with Ice Punch

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>>32727380
In a double battle, if a multi target move like Hyper Voice activates the Red Card of one target and the Destiny Bond of another, what happens?

>>32727390
Most of them since Gamefreak's Ice types are defensive, and Alolan Ninetales already has a move that increases their defenses. Two boosts stacked on a Pokemon with huge bulk like Avalugg would be impenetrable regardless of type weaknesses. It would be like saying MegaMawile is a bad attacker because Steel/Fairy is a bad coverage.

>>32727382
>>32727390
These are good points, -- obviously making an Ice type defensive is a setup for failure, -- but still, they should do it.

Hail and Sandstorm were always sort of counterparts, like Sunny Day and Rain Dance were. They both do indirect damage to things that aren't a certain type.

The 50% physical defense boost would be very appreciated by Ice types. Steel, Rock, and Fighting moves are all more often physical than not. It would be very nice.

It also makes more sense. The idea being that the Ice pokémon uses the hail and snow around them to add on to their body, thus raising their defensive capabilities. Rather than sandstorm, which raises Rock type's special defense because....reasons.

>>32727408
Nah, they're right. If there's a single good defensive Ice type out there, (there isn't,) it's Avalugg.

>>32727425
wtf I want to know this

>>32727425
Red Card activates first, like Focus Sash activates before Knock Off knocks it off.

>>32727366
Because it gets accuracy/evasiveness buffs

>>32727366
Because ice is gf least favorite type

>>32727427
Maybe a core of Fini/KyuB/MScizor would be able to take advantage of some other Pokemon's Snow Warning for a decent bulky core

>>32727473
>Red Card activates first
So the attacker gets KO'd off screen? Is such a thing possible?

>>32727408
Avalugg would be at least top RU with any other typing desu.

>>32727402
it does get swift swim though

>>32727366
So each weather effect is a bit different.

>>32727447
>>32727502
>252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Play Rough vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black with an ally's Aurora Veil: 186-219 (47.5 - 56%) -- 80.1% chance to 2HKO

>>32727366
abomasnow is my daddy

>>32727515
Avalugg is PU.

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>>32727515
>Poison type Avalugg
You can Earthquake it, but it won't do you any good!

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>>32727502
>So the attacker gets KO'd off screen?
The attacker avoids Destiny Bond, obviously.

>>32727773
Someone has to be taken down if the Destiny Bond user is KO'd, unless the attacker explodes or loses out to recoil

It isnt an exact representation but someone should try this on Showdown or something

>why is ice a shit defensive type?
obligatory http://www.smogon.com/articles/shafted-by-design
as for OP's question, I'm pretty sure the brilliant minds at gamefreak have decided that hail is already good enough because it damages every type aside from ice, while sand has three types that resist it.

>Fire and Water types are also immune to passive Hail damage now
>Hail now boosts the power of Ice moves by 25%
>Hail now increases the Defense stat of Ice Pokemon by the same amount that Sandstorm gives

how does the meta change?

>>32728039
Water doesn't need another boost, keep that limited to fire and maybe make it so that if the fire pokemon stays on the field for two turns when hail is on it will get damage too because the ice melts into water.
Also give ice ground resistance and the same boost of sandstorm for rock types

>>32727366

Because, Game freak didn't want it that way.

>>32727366
because now Aurora Veil exists

Would it really be unreasonable to make ice resist ground and flying?

Ground and Flying are great offensive types and a slight nerf wouldn't destroy them. Resisting 2 strong attacking types would make the already existing defensive ice-types way better, maybe they'd even stop being irrelevant.

>>32728039
>Always niggas out there trying to buff Water

Literally why

>>32728587
no
but itll still be bad
ice suffers more from the fact that it shares weaknesses with steel than not having resists
rocks the same way
steel type defines the meta, its what everything carries coverage for so ice and rock types kinda suck shit in a game where everything passively checks you without even trying due to them all carrying ground, fire or fighting moves
the best buff to them would just be a nerf to steel

It would nice, Alolan Ninetales would be even better but somehow they do all focus on evasion and the worst of all Ice Body without permaweather.
I'm sure the the half of Ice mons that happen to be defensive or balanced is like that to endure more hits while spamming Sheer Cold and if lucky other OHKO attacks. The remaining offensive Ice types work fine, but some really need a wider movepool or even basic Ice attacks.

>>32727419
>Ice punch

>>32731684
What of it?