>Only Pokémon shorter than 3'03/1.0m >Rewards are

*looks at my Pyukumuku*

it is time

>>32632135

Aww, too bad my cock won't be eligible

>>32632135
>height-based tournament
holy shit that's great

Question: Who is the best Pokemon that qualifies for this?

>>32632142

Yeah this is gonna be fun, all of the tapu are too tall for one.

Hell a lot of things I thought were manlets are actually not manlet enough for this....gonna be interesting building a team.

>>32632175


Kartana, Mimikyu, half of the eeveelutions, Ribombee, Azumarill.

That's what I have so far.

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>>32632175
oh wait never mind I looked at the website article

https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/information/d4d24e3b-a0fa-4620-a443-5e29b615486d

I have a pretty good idea who...

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>everyone against Kartana, the tournament

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IT'S AZELF TIME

We need a list with every pokemon that can enter on this tournament

Fuck. for two seconds I thought it was a little cup tournament, guess this is fine too

>>32632209
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pokémon_by_height

I'm really looking forward to seeing no Tapus or UBs for once. Except Kartana, I guess. That'll be a refreshing change from the norm.

Not to mention...
>The entire National Pokédex is available for you to build your team from, as long as the Pokémon is under the maximum height requirement

That's a relief. I've never liked that restriction, honestly. Plus, the only Alola dex Pokemon I have that are 3'3" or less and are competitively trained are Comfey and Ribombee, so if they hadn't removed that restriction, I wouldn't have been able to make a full team. But now I can draw from the rest of my roster, and I've got some Pokemon that qualify. This is going to be interesting.

>>32632228

1m tall is actually a REALLY common hight.....tons of stuff falls right onto it.

This is going to be the first tournament I've enjoyed in a long time.

>>32632193

>Jolteon used HP Fire!

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>pic related is 2 feet tall

I know what my utilitymon is going to be

>>32632238
>hp fire
Wot

>>32632262

Jolteon is short enough for this, has one of the best speed tiers available in this, and will probably be carrying HP fire since it doesn't need ice for anything.

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Only slightly disappointed since my favorite mon is past the height limit, but my other faves will probably have a better time in this tourney.

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At least we get one good Mega out of this.
>Mega Gallade is still JUST as ever
>Mega Garde got decommissioned by lele
shame because those two are two of my favourite megas

>>32632296
Gallade seems a little better than last gen with the whole speed buff thing. Still not anywhere near comparable to slutbunny.

>inverse tourney never ever.
what was the point of inverse battles if Gamefreak flat out refuses to use them outside of one situation?

HOW THE FUCK ARE WE GONNA KILL ALOLAWAK?

>>32632345
sneasel works.

>>32632345

Marowak is too tall, it's anything SHORTER THAN 1m

>>32632238
You know, I faced one which had HP Fire and used it on my Kartana because I thought it would have HP Ice instead since it's more common on electric types, I believe.

>>32632296
No reason why you can't stack Lele and Garde together desu.

>>32632354
Marowak is just 1m.

Not a lot can actually stop a slurpuff sweep. Bring duoblade.

>>32632354
Actually, it's equal to or less than 1m, so you can use A-Marowak.

>>32632345
a Dugtrio should suffice.

>>32632372

I hope that's not true because 1/5th of the dex is 1m tall

>>32632376
Just check the official site:
>>32632184

>>32632338
I don't think inverse is even in the code of the game

>>32632135
>Aggronite and Altarianite never
literally the only stones I was excited for, after Beedrill

>Ferrothorn is short enough
>so is Chandelure and M-Mawile

>>32632135
are mythicals banned from these still?

>>32632439

Yes....which is especially painful since most of them would excel in this format.

I wish they'd drop that rule already, there's hardly a point anymore since they're so easy to come by.

So I guess Mimikyu and Kartana will probably be the top 2 most used in this thing

>>32632448
I guess the reasoning is that they're supposed to be rare eventmons which a lot of people wouldn't have at all if injecting didn't exist.

>>32632448
>they're so easy to come by
Hardly, even the more common mythicals aren't distributed that often

>>32632453

my guess for top 10

Mimikyu, Kartana, Ferrothorn, Jolteon, A-Marowak, Chandelure, Porygon-Z, Whimsicott, Klefki

>>32632464

They literally distributed all of them last year.

>>32632448
Dang. Having an event only mon as one of my favorites sucks, I never get to use them.

>>32632472

>only listed 9 mons

And toxapex, mb

>>32632135
Nice. The better half of my team from the last competition this past weekend is eligible. Now I gotta think of 3 other mons. I don't have many competitive trained mons that fit the criteria though.

>>32632428
Megas are not allowed

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>>32632135
>gardevoirite
>SM
where the fuck do I sign up? I NEED DETAILS ASAP

>>32632632
It just got announced so it'll be the last week of this month.

>>32632632
The registration starts June 14th until 22th

>>32632638
it's two days from the end of the month, you mean next month right?
>>32632641
ah good, any chances showdown might open a special tree for this to practice teambuilding?

>>32632643

This coming month...yeah.

Always the last weekend of the month.

>>32632643
You can download the rules for this competition and practice in game with friends or just random people.

>>32632632
Why is the mega garde shiny while the others aren't?

>>32632668
He replaced his shit waifu with a better one

>>32632643
Yes showdown always gets a practice ladder up for competitions pretty quickly

Magneton and Muk just make the cut. I'm debating signing up for this. I don't have a HP-Fire Magneton handy to counter all the Kartanas

>>32632714
>tfw I got a HP Fire Magnemite from the GTS Global mission

>Kartana and Mimikyu and Marowak - The Tourney

>>32632734
There plenty pokemon that you can use. You even can use pokemon from past games.

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>>32632691
perfect

>>32632660
that's great and all, but I usually like to use showdown for quick and easy teamcrafting, sure there's rental teams, but I like to figure out what I need to breed as quickly as I can, the sooner built and tested, the better.

>>32632668
the power of lust made her shiny, THE END.

>>32632734
I wouldn't be surprised if that was half the roster, also alolan muk just makes the cut - all aboard the train to stall town.

>>32632741
>>32632741
>>There plenty pokemon that you can use. You even can use pokemon from past games.
What's your point bub? You are absolutely deluded if you don't think Kartana will be everywhere on this. Just because it's a gimmicky tourney doesn't mean there won't be tip top on every team stuff and shitmons that not even 4 years old would considered. Every ruleset has a meta yes or yes.

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Made a quick MSPaint list.

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Comfey
Mimikyu
Wishiwashi (only solo is small)
Dedenne
Ditto
Eevee
Cleffa
Vulpix/A-Vulpix (Sun and Hail setters)
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Durant
Carbink
Minior
Pyukumuku
Togedemaru
Kartana
Pikachu
Pachirisu
Qwilfish
Sableye + Mega
Torkoal
Cherrim
Cinccino
Togetic
Porygon 2
Mawile + Mega
A-Raichu
Swellow
Excadrill
Whimsicott
Toxapex
Raichu
Jolteon
Azumarril
Jumpluff
Masquerain
Shedinja
Hippopotas (Sand setter)
Glaceon
Galvantula
Accelgor
Aromatisse
Slurpuff
Hawlucha
Lycanroc (Sun)
Flareon
Espeon
Sneasel
Octillery
Roserade
Gastrodon
Mismagius
Honchcrow
Porygon-Z
Boldore (Sand setter)
Swoobat
Lurantis
Bruxish
Beedrill (Mega too big)
Sandslash
Parasect
Primeape
Persian
A-Muk
A-Marowak/Marowak
Vaporeon
Omastar
Umbreon
Bibarel
Purugly
Tangela
Leafeon
Snover (Hail)
Simisear
Simipour
Reuniclus
Escavalier
Ferrothorn
Chadelure
Diggersby
Heliolisk
Sylveon

Compiled everything that looked usable and semi-decent and filled one or two niches. Probably missed a few.

I recommend to pack either Trick Room or lots of anti-Trick Room.

Eviolite Growlithe might be good in this, it beats Kartana just about as easily as Arcanine does and there's a lack of Intimidate users

>>32632790
I honestly think Kartana is the thing that looks super good at first glance but won't be as good on practice. There's a lot of faster stuff than it that completely buttfuck him with one touch and Trick Room is gonna be everywhere too.

>>32632786
dugtrio?

>>32632786
Again, Megas are not allowed.

>>32632786
Megastones are banned

What about Prankster Sableye to burn Kartana?

>>32632816
HP-Fire Magnet pull Magneton would be better if you have one lying around. It can even use Eviolite

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>tfw no big guys allowed
>probably don't get to bring friends either

>>32632818
>Sacred Sword

Just use something faster like Azelf to Flamethower it's ass.

>>32632823
That's ass, because scarf kartana is super solid and Azelf WILL lose to kartana 9/10.
Magneton can tank a sacred sword with evolite easy and seal it with HP easier.

>>32632823
Bulky Chandelure might be an option. Bulky because Kartana can use Night Slash.

>>32632845
Does Kartana outspeed scarfed Chandelure?

>>32632849
Nope

There isn't a way to get regular raichu or persian, is there?

>>32632881
Just inject it

>>32632845
Most Kartana forego Night Slash. Chandelure completely cockblocks all it's most common moves. If they decide to run Night Slash they are forgoing valuable coverage.

>>32632881
You can use transfers in this, plus you can breed them with an Everstone

>>32632881
Transfer

>>32632883
nice meme

>>32632881
You can through breeding a regular version. I forget how but it's definitely possible

>>32632849
not without something to boost speed a bit. A Chandelure specced with perfect IV and EV in speed, Timid nature, choice scarf, will end up with 426 speed.

Origami-Ga with IV's, EV's, scarf, jolly nature ends up with 522 speed.

still needs a scarf to outspeed it though, so if not scarf, you're going to need something without scarf his speed is 348.

>>32632888
>>32632887
You can breed regular forms with an everstone? Wasn't aware.

>>32632910
>>32632880
Thank you very much, have myself Timid Chandelure from XY (fav poke since BW) so i hope its gonna help me in the tourney

>>32632911

To get Original variant first stages (eg. Rattata, Vulpix)
>Breed where one parent is Original Variant
>Give that parent an everstone

To get an Original Variant of an evolved mon (eg Exeggutor, Raichu)
>Transfer up from previous generation

>>32632933
Hold on, so there's no way to breed a gen7 pikachu that will evolve into normal raichu?

>>32632950
No, you'd have to transfer the raichu from gen VI.

Which isn't a problem for this tournament because they're allowing transfers.

>>32632786
>>32632773
Cleaning up the list a bit:

>Viable tier

Kartana
Alolan Marowak
Alolan Muk
Ferrothorn
Chandelure
Azumarill
Escavalier
Reuniclus
Aromatisse
Torkoal
Leafeon
Diggersby
Jolteon
Mimikyu
Eevee
Amoonguss
Klefki
Sylveon
Whimsicott
Sableye
Porygon-Z
Porygon2
Espeon
Gastrodon
Jumpluff
Excadrill
Alolan Raichu
Meowstic
Azelf
Mesprit
Uxie
Togedemaru
Rotom

>Niche/meme tier

Marowak
Parasect
Heliolisk
Magneton
Roserade
Kecleon
Boldore
Lycanroc-Day
Mismagius
Doublade
Galvantula
Slurpuff
Oricorio
Qwilfish
Krokorok
Togetic
Wishiwashi
Comfey
Durant
Pachirisu
Omastar

>Don't bother
Everything else

Not exactly on topic but anyone getting a server maintenance error code? I wanted to try the new megas

>>32632956
Well that sucks. Good thing I bred a damn good raichu back in gen 6

>>32632957
>niche tier
Murkrow
Hawlucha
Mawile
Hippopotas for Excadrill

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>>32632957

>Toxapex not in viable tier

>>32632975
Oh yeah, Murkrow is good

On the other hand, I can't see Hawlucha being good in this meta at all (Trick Room everywhere, not many fighting weak Pokemon, no easy way to activate Unburden/Acro without Gems/Seeds). Hippopotas is kind of garbage compared to Boldore, which at least has usable 105 Attack and Defense, better support movepool and gets a nice SpDef boost in Sandstorm. Mawile is insanely awful without the Mega, you don't need Intimidate THAT badly.

>>32632977
Toxapex is useless in doubles

>>32632997

In a format where kartana is one of the top threats...really?

>>32633003
Yes, because it's passive as fuck and doesn't offer any kind of support that's considered valuable in doubles (Fake Out, Intimidate, Follow Me, Helping Hand etc).

And Kartana has plenty of counters in this tier.

>>32632977
>>32633003
t. sub 1000 ELO shitter

>>32633003
What the fuck does it even do to Kartana? Scald and pray for a burn while it gets 2HKO'ed by Leaf Blade? C'mon son.

>>32632995
Boldore doesn't get Sandstream actually

one thing I'm trying to figure out here is how versatile ambiguous amethyst is going to be in this tourney.

>>32632957
if we go by this, not very

>>32633270
>SR in doubles
Don't be an idiot

>>32632168
The same thing your mom said about mine when she read about the tourney!

>>32632881
You can breed Persian with an everstone but Raichu has to be imported from an older game.

>>32632448
They can AT LEAST let Magearna in. That thing you can get it even now with the QR scan. I just hope Marshadow is QR to, it just looks far to good to not be used.

>>32633667
Unless they patch it in, it won't be. Datmining found that Magearna was the only QR Code event.

>>32633667

There's no reason to ban any of them except Arceus at this point after last year. They're just too lazy to change that rule.

>>32632262
>wow i can't believe someone is using actual devoted strategies on a real tour that isn't a smogon meme

>>32632302
>bunny in lele land
same lele shits on mega gardevoir too now if not for the base speed

>>32632135
Is cutiefly allowed? I could see it being good

>>32632428
>>32632472
>>32632734
yes, clearly everyone is so retarded he won't try a trick room team or consider counters to this
this is actually what you believe

>>32635698
Nevermind im retarded i thought it was 1ft not 1m

>>32632957
>implying there won't be weather and trick room wars with hippo and torkoal and ruse room friends

also funnily enough the meme fire bird from alola can tank the overhyped kartana

>>32635705

Ok maybe Kartana wont be as big of a problem as everyone thinks but even under TR the rest of those picks are threatening.

Even when I ran TR the last 3 tournaments there were people who fucked me over with clever ways around it (like their own trick room lead to counter it before killing mine and proceeding to wreck me).

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
FUCK YOU MANLETS! REEEEEEEEEEE!
LET ME IN! FUCKING ROCKETPHOBIC SHORTFAGS!

Rev up dem kartana

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>tfw Spiritomb is allowed

So is Wishiwashi legal?

I assume so, since it's solo form in team preview.

>>32636323
just the solo, school is off limits

anyone need a 6IV litwick with a useless nature?

Kartana will have 100% usage

>>32636362

Yeah but it changes after its' already in battle...it might be legal

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>>32636368
I won't be using it, it's going to be the most accounted for, everyone's going to be packing fire moves and/or trick room to put him through a rut.

>>32633008
Haze is a pretty good support move and its bulky enough to run
>mfw free draco meteors everywhere

>>32632820
actually clefairy with friend guard will be protecting several eevees

>>32636362
Have you ever used Wishiwashi?

You don't get a choice of which you want it to be.

At the rate these mega stones are being released I'm glad I injected my ampharosite. And I mean it's an interesting theme but I don't really care much for online battles

>>32636576
nope, not once, caught it for the dex then promptly shelfed it. Might go back and look at it if my current planned tiny team doesn't go to plan.

>>32636954
Its Schooling ability only activates if its level is 20 or higher. And in the tourney, every Pokemon is made level 50.

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>Drizzle is not available
>didn't realize this until I noticed Pelipper's size after planning out 4/6 of the team
fuck I'm blind

>Double Battle competition
Oh boy I cant wait to set up my duel screens

>>32632786
Your missing Magearna

>>32639092
not legal

>>32639032
>tfw sand stream isn't either

>>32639154
Hippopotas, it's not very useful in doubles, but supporting Excadrill is probably worth it

>>32639316
Nah, I think excadrill is better off with mold breaker anyways

>>32639330
Especially since Rotom is probably going to be a big player in this format.

Honestly thinking of bringing Klingklang just to fuck with Mimikyu.
Well that and it's a half-decent reason to actually run the poor thing.

>>32639487
Just use a mold breaker Excadrill senpai

>>32639540
That's probably the smart thing to do, yeah.
Stupid tiny mole.

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I don't suppose anyone has a team mockup in Showdown and wants to have a few fights? Can't do 4v4 but maybe just have some doubles fights with our potential teams and see how it goes.

>>32639555
I have a team but I'm currently at work sadly

Isn't the showdown ladder active yet?

>>32639593
If you mean a tiny tourney ladder for showdown, then no.

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Had a friend complain that it was just a tournament for unevolved Pokemon, so I made a quick and dirty list of fully-evolved Pokemon that can be used based on their height.

>all these shitters thinking toxapex is close to being viable in doubles, even with this limited roster

Top kek.

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>mfw Dual Screens Klefki and P2 in a tourney with only one or two viable Fighting type (Primeape and Hawlucha)

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>still no showdown ladder

I think Qwilfish might be the best Intimidator considering:
> -1 0 Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Qwilfish: 48-57 (27.9 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
or
> -1 252+ Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Qwilfish: 60-72 (34.8 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
and
> 44 Atk Qwilfish Revenge vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Kartana: 74-88 (50.6 - 60.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Though I'm sure a lot of you would want a OHKO if possible.

It could also take out a chunk of a Belly Drum Slurpuff:
>+5 252 Atk Slurpuff Return vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Qwilfish: 123-145 (71.5 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>44 Atk Qwilfish Poison Jab vs. 28 HP / 0 Def Slurpuff: 104-126 (64.5 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

It also gets Destiny Bond, Haze, Aqua Jet, and Fell Stinger if you want to mess around with those.

>>32641457
I'm torn between adding Quilfish and AV Purugly to my team, Purugly has that trollish 112 speed tier and the combination of fake out+sucker punch and thick fat, it is quite honestly a delicious combination in a tier with loads of viable fire types and trick room wars, heck I was considering Alolan Raticate for this spot before realizing Purugly speed tier was Godlike.

Then there is Quilfish who BTFO of a lot of things by virtue of intimidate.

Both are actually struggling to find a spot on my Reuninclus trick room team,

>>32641457

Eviolite Growlithe can check those two as well, although it won't 2HKO Slurpuff, but given the fact that this is a doubles competition, I doubt we'll see it at all.

>-1 252+ Atk Kartana Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 180+ Def Eviolite Growlithe: 40-48 (24.6 - 29.6%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO

>+5 252+ Atk Slurpuff Return vs. 252 HP / 180+ Def Eviolite Growlithe: 136-160 (83.9 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Give me the best meme set fpr this guy.

>>32641812
Also, Growlithe gets superior supportive options, such as Will-o-Wisp to further cripple physical attackers, Roar to stop Trick Room, Sunny Day to manually check wheather teams, if you bring one from ORAS you can give it Helping Hand for dead turns, Morning Sun for sustain, Snarl to cripple special attackers and even Safeguard if you really miss Fini.

>>32641850
Acupressure with anything.

>>32632135
Singles or doubles?

>>32642378
Doubles.
GF is pretty allergic to singles.

>>32642380
Good, I'm having a lot of fun with doubles.

>>32642380
But half of the competitions were singles, and the others were VGC. This one is the first doubles competition with wild rules.

>>32642399
For competitions that gave away megastones I remember Alola doubles, Kanto singles, alola doubles, Alola doubles and now this, which is also doubles.
The fact that you get some cool stuff from these competitions is the only reason I pay attention to them, really.

>>32642424
First two competitions were singles, then there was the Kanto x Alola one. So far there has been an even split between singles and doubles

so what's some of the teams people been planning?

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>>32644164
A-Marowak
Rotom-Mow
Espeon
Ribombee- managed to get a random shiny bout 10 eggs in that I'm gonna bottlecap
Toxapex
Hawlucha

I know its probably a shit team but its mostly a bunch of my favorites

>>32644324
>Toxapex

Drop that, it's shit in doubles and will only be dead weight; your opponent will completely ignore it since it can't do shit and you'll be at a disadvantage every time you bring it, especially as a lead. The rest at least can contribute to something, Toxapex's only contribution is leaving you with essentially only one Pokemon against the two of your opponent.

>>32644355
Fairo what would you suggest instead?

>>32644164
Raichu
Azumaril
Oricoro x3
Parasect
Excadrill

Not sure on the last one, but looking at the meta having a strong dark or ghost type would be preferable, problem is there really aren't any strong dark types that aren't muk in this format, so I'm thinking it or mimikyu..

>>32644406
Maybe a Intimidate user. Because of the typing, maybe you might want to try something fun like this >>32641457 ?

>>32644406
>>32644440

Sorry if I sounded too rude by the way, it's just that I'm talking from experience and frustration; I too thought it would be a cool mon to have since it was good in singles, but every time I brought it I got destroyed by what I mentioned. Just wanted to save you the trouble.

>>32644440
Hmmm sounds good, now where to find a HA quilfish

>>32632345
Isn't Azumarill marginally faster?

My Kartana I have right now is not trained yet, so I'd should probably do that.
Probably gonna use my Shiny Ribombee with Ferro, Chandelure, and Diggersby. I want to add Whimsicott to stop trick room teams, but that'll just make my team too weak to fire.

>>32644164
Excadrill
Eviolite Growlithe
Gastrodon
A. Muk
Ferrothorn
Kartana
Not a very well-thought team, I'll admit.

>>32641850

Shuckle @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 92 HP / 200 Def / 216 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Shell Smash
- Infestation
- Rest
- Toxic

>>32645182
>in doubles
good meme

best it can do are the split memes there

>>32644164
Kartana
A-Marowak
A-Muk
These 3 are a certainty.
I'm not really sure about what else to use since I also don't have many trained mons that fit the tournament height rule.
I was thinking about maybe A-Raichu, Wishiwashi and maybe Lycanroc.
The thing is I'll end up with 4 mons weak to Ground, and there's no real strategy in the team. The Raichu doesn't have Fake Out, half of the team is slow but I don't have any Trick Room user, I also don't see what I can do with Lycanroc other than fast Taunting something.

>>32646056
Add P2 or Mimikyu for trick room to support. Bruxish fits as well.
Ground isn't going to be super common in this outside of excadrill.
Also, there's plenty of time to breed a raichu with fake out among other mons.

>>32644164
My team looks like:
Qwilfish
Chandelure
P2
Klefki
A-Muk
and maybe Excadrill

>not using your Timid Kartana

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>Chansey is too tall
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT

>>32648098
I actually faced an opponent in the last IC that had a Timid Kartana with like 12 attack IVs, so Beast Boost gave it speed. That's why I keep signing up to these, people will always bring the freshest memes.

Just wondering: How viable would be Eviolite Doublade and/or Protean Frogadier?
Cause I can transfer those (I have breedjects with 6 IVs) but I'm not sure if they'll be any good.

>>32632135
I can't login to Global Link. It's always saying it's going through maintenance.

>>32648780
Doublade possibly, Frogadier no

So I've got a team I wanna use for this, I just don't know how to wrap it out right now. This is what I've currently got as well as some notes on it: https://pastebin.com/yii0Et5v. Any help would be appreciated.

>>32649176
I like the togetic pic, but you're missing something crucial in the form of a fast taunt user to stop eevee teams. Also, I haven't done calcs but I'm not sure if excadrill can live a chandy overheat. I was considering something like life orb, or expert belt just to nail the OHKOs on max defensive mimikyus.

I'll probably end up going with something revolving around raichu + azumarill + amoonguss. Those three were a solid core back in vgc14. Maybe I'll add a trick room torkoal mode in the back.

>>32649434
Ran the calcs, you have a 25% chance to live modest and a 100% chance to live timid.

>>32649733
Also Eruption in the sun from max attack Torkoal.

what's likely to be the bulkiest contender in the tiny tournament, wanna run calc's so I know I can dish the worst to the trickiest threats.

>>32650000
easily porygon2

good luck OHKOing it with anything but a strong fighting move though, which is something this format severely lacks

>>32650000
Eviolite Porygon2 is one fat fuck, and it looks like there's fuck all for viable Fighting-types in this thing.
Good luck.

>>32650000
While I doubt that this will actually be the case I'm just gonna leave this calc here.
>252+ Atk Kartana All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 146-172 (76 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
or
>252 SpA Raichu-Alola All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 88-104 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 45.3% chance to 2HKO
Have fun trying for that OHKO. I get that they're going to mix their defenses, but just so you keep aware of the fact that these are the only two pokemon that might see any kind of use in the tournament and the only ones of that group that can hit it SE with a z-move should drive home the point how bullshit the duck is in VGC even. I'd find a common threat that can't use Eviolite and calc for that. As such use +either Def Uxie since it's close enough to Kartana and probably the most specially bulky thing you can run in the tournament with its base 130 defenses even with its 75 base HP.

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>>32650424
this setup is predictable as all hell, but it's 2HKO guaranteed, RIP if he pulls psychic with his 4x SE, so he's gonna have to EV in speed to strike before polyrong 2

252+ Atk Choice Band Croagunk Helping Hand Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 102-122 (53.1 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

but yeah crogunk is a bit too frail to rely on, especially with the band over evolite

and while I'm sure there'll be plenty of psychic moves being thrown around, fire will be EVERYWHERE, kartana is the head hancho - everyone's out to get him.

only other crazy shit I could think of is like chandelure, getting flash fire boosted by a teammate (hp fire, whatever), and a possible mudslap from a friendly jolteon to activate a weakness policy for +2 SpATK

+2 252+ SpA Flash Fire Chandelure Helping Hand Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon: 237-280 (137.7 - 162.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

it'll be the craziest way to get a OHKO I can think of, but it is possible.

Thinking about a sandstorm team that could also operate under Trick Room if necessary. Or just plain use it.
Thoughts?

- Hippopotas
- Excadrill (all the abilities are great, dunno which to use)
- Reuniclus
- Doublade (eviolite)
- Kartana
- Rotom - W

Also really like the thought of using mons such as Wishiwashi, Galvantula, Mimikyu, Alolawak, Lycanroc, Porygon-Z, Eeveelutions, Roserade, Omastar, Torkoal, Azumarill, and Magneton.
I'm just shit at team building so I dunno what to start training.

>>32650517
Here's the thing, you only have 1 turn to KO the duck before it sets up trick room. So your Flash Fire Weakness Policy Chandelure is now fucked. This is the only 1 turn setup that might work if Scarf Chandelure/Fire type attack user isn't sitting next to the duck.
>252 Atk Kartana Helping Hand All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 196-232 (102 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
But you trade either your sash or assault vest for it. Also Azelf and Jolteon can outspeed and OHKO with Flamethrower or HP Fire respectively. But like I said, these are 2 extreme examples all you need is 252 HP/52+Def for P2 to survive Jolly Kartana's All-Out Pummeling and 140+Def for it to survive Adamant's. So your big threats are really Kartana and P2. If you can account for them, your team should succeed. Rotom-H will probably be the next most common thing since it counters Kartana hard, and loves Trick Room. If you can deal with that core consistently, you win.

Why are you all trying to OHKO P2 anyway, it's impossible without ridiculous situations. If you truly want to stop TR because you have a fast as fuck team, then slap Roar or Whirlwind. Yes, they have negative priority, but on the priority bracket they're above Trick Room, so they activate first. Taunt is another option but I find it a little bit more unreliable since you can just leave the Porygon in and wait until the Taunt wears off, meanwhile, if you force it to switch out, you can get free damage on it when it switches back in and you can try to get rid of the TR sweepers in the meantime so the only thing TR will do is delay your inevitable win.

>>32639154
>tfw drought is (HA normie vulpix)
>tfw lurantis also is

>>32644491
Was only possible to get a HA Qwilfish from Gen V's Dream World so it's harder to acquire now. Have to trade someone for one.

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>>32650854
>>tfw droguht is (HA normie vulpix)
>what is torkoal

I absolutely require Reuniclus on my team. Got a Sassy shiny in Y that stuck with my my whole game from just before the third gym, so I gotta use him here.
I need some teammates though. Any recommendations?

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>still no showderp tiny format
how long are we gonna wait on this already, I wanna get to testing practical theory already

>>32650691
I'm not really all that worried about OHKO'ing him, just looking at the possibility that someone else might want to, and I put some crazy theory to the chalkboard, proving it's theoretically possible, not that it should be a NEED.

>>32651712
okay, good point
but also keeping lurantis

>>32641850
He's actually great because he lasts forever. Especially with study. I have a team of turtles and use him for sticky web and toxic. Knock out and infestation otherwise. The effect of toxic+infestation can be devastating in a long battle.

up you go

Bump for team suggestions

This is making me realize how many of my favorite already happen to be quite small...

Would Masquerain be worth trying at all? It has Intimidate and Quiver Dance and did get +20 to Special Attack and Speed this gen.

>>32658213
I'm to lazy to run calcs, but if it could survive switching into Kartanas coverage move, I could see it having a niche, I guess as a specs user(?) I dunno if it has the pool outside of buzz/air slash/hydro pump/HP fire to do anything, and it stats still seem disappointing for any other set, but if Kartana isn't running flying coverage and/or it can tank it's steel, it might not be dead weight.

>>32658158
Gen V confirmed manlet gen.

>>32658213
Give it a shot. I've been using it in Doubles and it always lasts longer than expected.

>>32658245
It also gets Stun Spore and Whirlwind, so that also helps.

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>Minior qualifies

The time has come

How worth do you think is it running something with Counter to nab Kartana? It just feels like it's one of the biggest threats alongside Chandelure

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>>32662514
>tfw when everyone's onto your favorite ghost type of this tourney
m-m-maaaybe I'll just use mismagius

Anyone have any recommendations for Intimidate Qwilfish movesets? Current build I'm testing is 252HP/252DEF/6ATK/Impish with Waterfall/Poison Jab/Fell Stinger/Aqua Jet. It works fine but stuff like Thunder Wave, 100% Accurate Toxic and Acid Spray all look pretty tasty too.

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>>32664325
Speaking of Mismagius, can anyone give some usage tips for it? I just taught mine four attacking moves because it learns so many different types of attacks that it can be super effective on almost everything, but it hasn't really worked out for me. It's just not strong enough. Do most people prefer not to use it as an attacker and instead use it for support? Or is there some other strategy that's popular for it?

>>32664375

Just catch people off guard with Power Gem or Mystical Fire. It's just not good enough in every department.

The only items I can recommend are Life Orb or Focus Sash, which I wouldn't ever suggest for doubles usually, but your opponent is expecting Mismagius to be a guaranteed 1 hit KO in almost any situation so surviving a hit will throw them off balance.

I need my rain but I don't know how to justify using Rain Dance

>>32664375
Calm Mind and Nasty Plot are two options. For taking a hit,, if you bring it in at the right times you could maybe get a Sub up to try to set up behind.

>>32662514
Not very, if I'm honest.
I did some number crunching, and it turns out Calm Growlithe with Eviolite and no SpAtk investment can tank AV Kartana pretty effectively, and OHKO it with Flamethrower.

>>32664472
Z-Rain Dance gives +1 to speed.
Also, using a move instead of an ability might force them to switch out.

>>32632135
>venomoth is too tall
;_;

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>All these people making a big deal of Kartana being legal
Droughtroom WILL be the meta. Kartana will do nothing once you get past 1600.

You guys are forgetting you can also use Rotom. Don't sleep on it. Rotom-H absolutely destroys Ferrothorn and Kartana. Rotom also gets Levitate which is a big thing if EQ gets used. P.S. I hatched a shiny buneary (female) couple days ago. I'm so happy.

>>32632135
>two gen 4 Pokemon, one of which isn't even in the Alola dex
What did gamefreak mean by this?

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This thing is pretty much going to rape everything in this format.

Consider this too guys:

Raichu-Alola @ Life Orb
Ability: Surge Surfer
EVs: 4Def, 252SpA, 252Spe
Timid Nature
- Fake Out
- Thunderbolt
- HP Fire
- Protect

Perks:
- Outspeed and OHKOs Kartana
- 2HKOs Ferrothorn
- Fake Out is invaluable against leads like Excadrill

>>32664375

Not sure for doubles, but for singles i like to run an annoyed mismagius with Thunder wave, Will o wisp, confused Ray and hex. It's honestly very effective because it's unexpected, but again, singles.

I'm thinking of running It with red card and a bulky spread, plus something with fake out

>>32664997
just made a check and azumarill is legal
252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Torkoal: 188-222 (106.2 - 125.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
you may get some issues, cloud nine or drizzle would also make aqua jet OHKO

>>32665700
>Torkoal used Solar Beam

Since all you have to do is play three games, not win them, is anyone going to take the chance to try out some memery sets just for fun?

I'm seriously considering running fake out/pickpocket sneasel just to see it properly working since there are some abilities that just never see use

>>32665703
>Torkoal
>base 20 speed
>Azumarill
>base 50 speed

Nope.

>>32665700
There is no Drizzle

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>>32665715
>

>>32665700
>252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Torkoal: 188-222 (106.2 - 125.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
What are you doing?

252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Torkoal: 51-61 (28.8 - 34.4%) -- 4.2% chance to 3HKO

>>32665751
did I do the wrong calcs?, oops... sorry
running with cloud nine in effect beats torkoal though (eg: HA swablu)

>>32665770
Cloud Nine kinda sucks, if you want to use Azumarill for anti-sun you'd be better off using Rain Dance from a Prankster user like Sableye

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>>32665730
>tfw the only thing that can OHKO it without a crystal hasn't been released
Rev up that Fightinium

Give me a Wishiwashi set. Physical or Special? I wanna try making a Trick Room team for the first time.

And is there anything that isn't Slowpoke that can be used in this format that learns Heal Pulse?

>>32665864
Special easily, much better movepool. Something like Hydro Pump / Muddy Water / Ice Beam / Protect with a healing berry or Waterium Z

For Heal Pulse, Comfey can use it with priority

>>32665890
Sounds good. How is Comfey, in practice? I've never given the thing much thought.
I actually just realized Aromatisse is eligable, and would make a great TR partner to have.

>>32665908
>How is Comfey, in practice? I've never given the thing much thought.

Not that guy, but I wanted to sue comfey once so I looked it up. It's not that good but it has decent enough Sp. Def and Speed. Laughable HP and defense though

It has leech seed, floral healing and decent enough support movepool

I kinda want to see if I can get some Cincinno flinch-hax going.

>>32665940
Yeah, even if it would be better in this format, I'm not too keen on it. Not the worst stat spread ever, though.

How's this for a team?
Wishiwashi, Reuniclus, Aromatisse, Porygon2, Ferrothorn, Chandelure/Rotom-H.
Not sure if I should get one or two speedsters in there in case I can't set up TR. Any other options? The only thing I don't want to take out is Reuniclus. I could also try making a Sand team instead.

Anyone else planning on running Murkrow? Seems like a real valuable asset to a team in this format.

>>32666355
looked into it, favoring whimsicott instead because of encore and helping hand
murkrow does get rain dance though which may be more important

>>32665425
Who will give him his sand, though?

>>32666355
I wanted to do murkrow but decided to bring it oldschool and do mismagius with calm mind and sub I was into Competitive pokemon in gen 4

>>32666395
>Not running Z-Sandstorm with Sand Force

>>32666395
Little Hippo

>>32632786
>boldore >sand setter
Only gigalith gets sand stream

>>32666395
Mold Breaker is way more useful in this competition.

I wish Shedinja could still get Swords Dance, or at least have some decent attacking moves. It would be fun to use him here.

>>32632135
When is the tourney?

is wishiwashi allowed? school form is huge

1.0 m pokes are allowed?

>>32666721
yes

>>32632135
Oh holy shit I just realized this is doubles

I'm in now

Was thinking about Eviolite Lairon for this, but I think Doublade would be better.

Assuming one were to use Hippopotas, what set would you run? Eviolite is too good to use on it, I think, and I'd rather have a longer sandstorm anyway, so Smooth Rock.
Slack Off, Earthquake, maybe Whirlwind/Roar, and....Fissure? Might be a way to make it useful after just hitting the field.

I'm just participating...

WITH BEEDRILL.

>>32668578
>no megas allowed
Why.

>>32668596
>not going agility/swords dance/fell stinger/poison jab
Dude, it's the new meta

>>32668566
I mean, it still loses to Torkoal if they come out at the same time. There are a few mons that benefit from sand in this, but I don't think it's worth dedicating a whole team for.

>>32666355
I am. I've always liked murkrow, and now have a reason to use one.
>>32666682
It was specifically mentioned on the news page, so yes.

>>32668730
Perhaps. But it might also be about the only time to use some interesting new teams. Heliolisk might be fun to try, for example. Though it probably would be better for a Singles format.

Hmm, Trick Room or using Ribombee's Speed Swap...?

>>32636426
Haze is not good enough for doubles, even though some pokemon use it just to counter specific treaths such as Eevee or, maybe, Snorlax.

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>>32641054
>mfw taunt

>>32670806
>what is Prankster

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>>32665700
You had Azumarill set to level 100 and Torkoal set to level 50 you silly billy.

>>32671056
Not him, but Prankster Screens don't always help.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-94623019

>>32671127
>Using Thunder Wave on a Sableye in OU Singles
>When almost 90% of them are Mega Sableye

>>32671135
This was before Mega Sableye took off.

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>>32671056
Wouldn't it be funny if there were a Prankster that had access to taunt and outsped Klefki?

>>32671255
Alternatively, despite no Prankster immunity and a quad weakness to poison, there's also Whimsicott.

>Eviolite Doublade counters Kartana and beats Excadrill in Trick Room
Really like the look of this. Only problem is not having Porygon2, but that seems like an acceptable trade off. P2 has better longevity, but less killing power. Whatcha think?

Also, is there anything good in TR this format that has Knock-Off? I don't really have a way to beat P2 right now.

>>32671332
Azumarill maybe? 50 base speed, and you can go for brave nature. You'd need to import one from ORAS for knock off, but it's an option in this one.

>>32671332
Just use Muk my nigga. Muk also wrecks the lake guardians

>>32671332
A-Muk is what you want.

>>32671332
Alternatively, if you're not afraid of the fact that everyone and their mother will be packing fire in case of Kartana, try Escavalier.

>>32671453
That's a good idea, but I'm thinking Wishiwashi for water and Aromatisse for Fairy already.
>>32671465
>>32671466
I could definitely go with that. I've got two bred right now, both Adamant, one with Power of Alchemy and one with Poison Touch. Are they useable, or should I rebreed for Brave? Also, what item?
>>32671469
Love the sound of that, too, since it would be so rare to see. That's another Steel, though. That said, Megahorn could straight-up 2HKO P2 as well if it's running mixed defenses.

Both of them are immune to it's Toxic, too. Hmm.

Here's the official regulation specification: https://pastebin.com/FUSBF7cx

>>32671502
>Item Clause: False
Does this mean you can use the same item on more than one Pokemon? ALL OF THE EVIOLITES.

>>32671493
>A-Muk or Escavalier
Escavalier has Fell Stinger.

>>32671502
>>32671510
>>Item Clause: False
Is that right? The in-game downloadable ruleset has duplicate items banned. I'd have to rethink my team if it's allowed.

>>32671513
Also only 4 moveslots.
>Knock Off
>Megahorn
>Protect
>Iron Head/Drill Run

>>32671542
>>Protect
wewladdeh

>>32671525
>>32671510
...it appears my parser actually inverts those. My bad, sorry.

>>32671493
Adamant Muk is fine, but for doubles I generally prefer Gluttony over the other abilities.

>>32671573
So no duplicate items, then.

>>32671584
Yep. My bad on the original output. Parser's fixed.

>>32671493
Power of Alchemy A-Muk could be useful for taking your Doublade's No Guard and having those guaranteed Gunk Shot/Stone Edges.

Alright, how's this look?
>Aromatisse - Untauntable TR setter, heals teammates
>Reuniclus - Solid in TR, additional TR setter
>Chandelure - Powerhouse, ignores screens, additional TR setter
>Wishiwashi - Powerhouse, necessary Water/Ice coverage
>A-Muk - Knock-Offer, covers Lake Trio/fairies
>Doublade - Ridiculous physical tank with respectable offense

A little bit worried about Rotom, though. Maybe Torkoal too, but I think Wishiwashi can still hit it hard in the sun. Would be nice to have ground or electric moves, too.
Any changes/set ideas (especially Muk)? I really don't wanna give up Reuniclus, though.

>>32671578
So that would be used with a nature-berry, right? A-Muk has so many options...berry, Black Sludge, AssVest, plus 3 good abilities.
>>32671587
That could be neat. Only one of my draft team's abilities it couldn't really use is Schooling.

Showdown is useless, where's the ladder

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>only 61 cm
HIS TIME TO SHINE BOYS

>>32671493
Power of Alchemy is too unreliable. In doubles Gluttony is pretty much its only useful and consistent ability.

>>32671502
So, Z-Moves are banned? Was this known before? It's the first time I'm reading about this.
I guess I'll have to change one of my mons' set.

>>32673232
no

>>32673232
Z-Moves are allowed.
https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/information/c22b4e19-b47d-4bad-8919-34c81fa3082e

>>32673232
What you're seeing as banned on that list are the Z-Crystals that create the Z-Crystal hold item versions.

>>32671625
Yeah, Figy Berry if you're running Adamant.

I also see you're running "necessary" Ice coverage on Wishiwashi. This is a mistake because in this meta Ice coverage is absolutely unneeded. No Garchomp , Lando etc running around. What you need, my friend, is HP Fire.
I like the synergy between Chandelure and Wishiwashi if they're both running fire moves.
That's Kartana and Ferrothorn covered 100%.
Again, don't run Ice moves. It's garbage.
Also you have 3 mons in your team with a Ground weakness. You aren't going to take those Earthquakes well. You need Levitate or a Flying type to mitigate.
Either use Air Balloon on Chandelure or remove Doublade from this team (Muk is very valuable to me, he covers the lake guardians like you said and much more).

If you want Levitate at any point in time consider:
- Rotom
- Lake Guardians

You don't have Ground coverage, and are pretty bad at dealing with Poison and Electric types. An example, you against A-Muk:

>Aromatisse is weak against poison moves
>Reuniclus is weak against Knock Off
>Chandelure is weak against Knock Off

I've given your team some serious thought and I think Escavalier is an excellent addition to the team.

>Gets ground coverage (Drill Run) that doesn't hit your own mons, deals with other A-Muk, A-Raichu, etc.
>Pretty good defenses, meaning it can take an earthquake or two
>one of the best trick room abusers in the game, making great synergy with your TR setters.

Be wary for fire moves now, he also has 4x weakness to it. However protect gives you an extra turn to set up TR. Some calcs for fun:

252+ Atk Life Orb Escavalier Drill Run vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 146-174 (107.3 - 127.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Escavalier Drill Run vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Raichu-Alola: 231-273 (169.8 - 200.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Escavalier Drill Run vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Excadrill: 203-239 (109.1 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

If you have more questions feel free to ask.