http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread s/baton-pass-in-sm-ou.36

>>32615577
>Caring about Smogon

Play the official formats, retards.

>>32615585
>Caring about how people play a children's game

Grow a brain, retard

They should have done that from the start instead of doing these retarded baton pass clauses. Or simply ban baton pass + speed boost since it's the only reason why BP is cancer.

Xurkitree might finally drop

>>32615577
Never ran into any BP based teams but that does mean they were a problem. I'll look into it tonight once I get home. It's probably banned because something has like one check and 0 counters that abuses BP.

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>>32615608
*Doesn't mean.

Sorry, I'm tired as hell.

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>>32615577
YEAH LET'S JUST FUCK OVER DECIDUEYE FOR NO FUCKING REASON WHATSOEVER WHEN HE'S ALREADY STRUGGLING TO BE VIABLE IN OU

FUCK SMOGON

>Caring about Smogon

Not much to think about desu

>>32615624
What? Decidueye has no reason to be used regardless of this ban.

>>32615608
Once you get into the 1600 range it was pretty much all BP, along with some stall and a handful of bulky offence

>>32615624
Just use him in UU you dumb niggerfaggot

>>32615624
Decidueye stopped being viable in OU in Gen 5 when they made it so you couldn't baton pass Mean Look and Block

get the fuck over it, it was never going to be good when it's in the worst speed tier in the game

>>32615577
>Necrozma, Xurkitree, Espeon, Decidueye, Scolipede now completely unviable
There weren't even any major BP teams on the high ladder. Hyper Offense and Stall still dominated.

>>32615648
eh scolipede isnt completely unviable, he still has that Z-Aqua Tail set

>>32615648
Decidueye was not viable.

>>32615577
well at least it's no longer a complex ban

>>32615593
>Getting triggered by bait

Grow sum balls, wimp.

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>>32615577
Good

>>32615664
C- viability, bitch.

>>32615667
>Getting triggered by someone getting triggered

wew senpai

>>32615678
First of all, not anymore.
Second of all, it was hot garbage. Sorry if you like it.

>>32615708
The only hot garbage around here is Nucineroar.

>>32615577
Only cringe.

>>32615593
t. poorfag
lol

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>>32615577
Good. Fuck Cancer Pass.

greninja test when

>>32615616
F

>>32615722
I agree, but people at least don't pretend it's not.

>How do we ban Scolipede without actually banning Scolipede?
>lets just say Baton Pass is broken, so we don't have to unban Blaziken
Thx Council.

>it's a "this thing slaps the shit outta stall so we gotta ban it to secure our top rank!" episode
Getting real sick of these reused plot lines, Smogon.

>>32615852
hi smugbonnie

>>32615800
>what is Mew

>>32615585
>>32615625
(You)

>>32615912
what are you trying to say?
worried about your forum badge pixels and circlejerk with a bunch of literally who teens modding a forum?
pathetic

>>32616028
here, have another pity (You)

>>32615624
Heh! Silly owlcuck. Your mon was never good enough to be fucked over in the first place.

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>>32616044
>baby's first smogon shekels
imagine being brainwashing into thinking smogon has any kind of impact outside of its circlejerk or yet alone thinking it's something official

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>>32615647
>Decidueye
>Gen 5

>>32615577
and...how is this related to this board?
fanmade romhacks tier irrelevant

>>32616140
Did you not understand what he meant? You might have to read the phrase again and actually understand it before you reply.

>>32616148
read these nuts fag

>>32615577
Good, only fags who dont know how to play use BP

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>>32615577
I agree with virtually everything TDK said, except for the part where he said it's without skill where the better player doesn't end up winning. You have to recognize it's a legitimate strategy that works.

Just like hazard stacking is a strategy, BP is a strategy, so counterplay should be warranted for each, and counterplay does exist. You can't call it skillless since BP users have to be able to outplay outs like Haze and Mold Breaker Roar or Dragon Tail or Circle Throw or Priority Taunt, etc, for defying BP.

The reason a BP ban is still reasonable is because like he later said, it's consistently adaptable as long as the move exists, and the previous restriction in ORAS was a complex ban that he regretted but wasn't a part of, and wanted to right that wrong. I myself was thinking about BP Gliscor like he said which actually can do a lot in this meta given it has Hyper Cutter or of course the Poison Heal variant for better longevity.

>>32615895
Something thats used more for Utility in OU than it's baton pass capabilities.

The only people who could be sad about this are the ones who could only play BP teams because they are retarded and it requires a very low amount of skill to be decent.
Good riddance, thank god.

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>>32616244

His decision making on not holding a suspect test seems pretty weak.
Literally just that they expect to get the result they want, so they ban it anyway. Sets an odd precedent.

more proof that we need the ability to give smogon's OU council inoperable brain cancer in response.

>>32616607
Literally not just that, don't be so obtuse. He said it makes sense that the correcting move is a quickban considering it didn't take a suspect to implement the ORAS BP restriction in the first place, which I agree with.

>>32616682
And when I say "which I agree with" I mean agreement with his reasoning, not agreement with the ORAS restriction.

Too bad it got banned before Marshadow's release.

>>32616494
But they are skill-less autopilot teams.

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>>32615647
>Decidueye!!
>Gen 5!!

>>32615600
Speed boost should have just stayed Ninjask's signature ability tee bee atch

>stealth rocks still not banned

What goes through the mind of those people?

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>>32615577
Why is smogon always hateing

But that's okay I'll find another way.

>>32617015
It's okay, Rowlet will be god tier in Little Cup.

>>32616994
Are you stupid? Do you not understand what the guy was saying that Decidueye was doomed back in Gen 5 even though it didn't exist yet based on decisions made before it existed.

It's like how you were crippled before you were born because your mom didn't want to stop her alcohol intake.

>>32615616
F

>>32617012
Do you really want Volcarona to fuck more shit up than it already does?

>>32615577
>drypassing is kill
RIP Pyukumuku

>>32615577
ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY STALL

>>32615648
Scolipede is the only one of those that was viable in the first place.

>>32617828
go to bed smugbonnie

>>32615577
Should have just banned Scolipede and maybe Smeargle desu

Well, at least that monstrosity of a complex ban is now gone

>ban Blaziken for Speed Boost
>don't ban Scolipede for Speed Boost

>ban genesect
>ban pheromosa
>now ban scolipede

What is an annoying bug fag supposed to do? The rare occasion bugs actually rise to supremacy they just ban that shit

>>32618271
You can still use scolipede like how blaziken used to get used. You still have volca"6-0"rona. You still have mega pinsir, beedrill and scizor. You still have skeeter. You still have regular ass scizor too, that's still fine. Bug is not hurting for viable things to use even with the bans.

>>32618269
This could definitely open up for re-testing Blaziken, but if you think that Fire/Fighting STABs are just as great as Bug/Poison, then come on man.

>>32616140
>>32616994

>stopped being viable 2 gens before it was introduced
I know, right? How can owlfags ever recover?

>>32618355
Fighting is kind of shit right now in fairies: the meta

Fire is better but then again Blaziken basically kills itself every time it tries to use Flare Blitz so it should be possible to stall it out

I for one am glad Smogon is stopping with the 'PR friendly' approach to banning.

Just get rid of the broken shit in your format, everyone who doesn't play it fucking hates the format anyways so there's nothing to lose.

I enjoy Smogon metagames more than the VGC shitfests and I'm fucking happy they don't avoid banning stuff anymore because it'd make Verlisify and his 14 year old audience mad.

Reminder that the modern Smogon userbase is full of scrubs who want to get rid of anything that requires any kind of thinking to counterplay

>>32619059
There's no reason to be PR friendly when people want certain things around for completely selfish and unreasonable reasons. Like who gives a shit if it makes your bros less viable?

>>32615691
>Getting triggered by someone getting triggered by someone getting triggered
Just fuck me up senpai

Thank god.
I'm a little disappointed that DryPassing was lost though.

>>32619574

and this is why smogon's "bans must be simple as possible thought is stupid as hell"


they can be as complex as needed without that stupid "what's stoping people from asking for mewtwo but only allowed if level 70 and without xx" drivel they use to justify being anti complex because we can just disallow that stupidity and anyone who tries to bring it that stupid shit up doesn't belong and should be driven out if they really cared they would accept the rules never question them or be forced out as a disruption to the community.

>a valid tactic that isn't stall? BAN. IT. NOW.

Anything that helps bring Landorus-T's usage stats closer to 100% is good for the meta

>>32618269
No one used Blaziken for its BP sets.

>they're using a tactic that beats our stall? Oy vey, shut it down!

>smugbonnie is still samefagging

>>32619574
Same. To bad the full of fuck who didn't want to deal with BP

>>32619615
Smogon already has a plenty of complex bans in place. The argument that smogon can't complex ban anything because it'll will cause more complex ban is a fallacy that needs to stop.

rip baton pass shedinja, you were the realest nigga

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just ban fucking speed boost to uber, I want to use it on wish clerics

>>32620719
no