They ruined an entire Pokemon because retards don't know

>>32608316

Good. Its cry is fucking annoying.

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>>32608316
Welcome to smogon.

>>32608316
Priority spam was cancer. Good.

>>32608316
You're a fucking retard.

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>>32608316
Talonflame got nerfed because it was good in VGCmeme '16 and GF wanted that year to be nothing but Box Legends.
Notice Mega-Kanga and Smeargle got nerfed too.

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>>32608356
fuck is liepard doing on there?

>>32608360
prankster assist

>>32608331
>smogon decides what gamefreak nerfs
I wish I could be this retarded

>>32608316
Bulky waters absolutely cannot switch into Talonflame repeatedly.

>>32608356
Mega Mence needs a complete overhaul. The Aerilate nerf isn't enough, its Speed and Atk need to go down. It already has Dragon Dance. Or give Aerilate a downside, like non-Flying moves the user uses decrease by some percentage.

Mega Kang with no secondary effects on the second hit and only being able to hit Seismic Toss once would be enough of a nerf to make it balanced.

Cresselia is the fattest shit plaguing VGC and obscures almost every other Trick Room setter when it's allowed, they should do something about that too but idk how they'd approach it other than not allowing it.

Ferro, Crobat, and Liepard are fine -- the ones who got to shine.

>>32608356
>>32608372
Megamence and Prankster got nerfed too.

>>32608372
people use assist?

>>32608417
It was just for priority dark void.

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I for one am glad to see Talonflame gone, not that it affects me in any way.

>>32608316
Talonflame deserved to be ruined in order to help the less fortunate Grass types.

>>32608316
How much of a retard is OP? Is it even possible to be that stupid?

>>32608331
the smogonfags did probably the least complaining of every party

>>32608316
>133 Water-type Pokémon
>70 of them are fully evolved (including Kyogre, Palkia, and Rotom-Wash)
>people prefer to complain about Talonflame instead of picking things like Rotom-Wash (which resists both STABs) or Suicune and Milotic (both are pretty notables bulky water-types)
Talonflame wasn't broken, is just that people overlook things that are in front of them. Yes it made almost all Grass- and Bug-types unusable, but switch in either a Water-type or a Rock-type and see how it switches out.

>>32608316
>route 1 shitmon is a route 1 shitmon
Okay? This is a bad thing how?

>>32609585
>but switch in either a Water-type or a Rock-type and see how it switches out
U-Turns to keep momentum and do chip damage while they choose a counter for your Water or Rock type. Wow. You sure showed it

>>32609604
that's what Evasive Emeralds are for dumbass

>Talonflame kills something with birdspam
>send in Ttar
>opponent sends in counter

This will just keep happening until they've removed your counter. A smart player won't let you keep a counter in on Talonflame. Also Lycanroc line is literally Talonflame counter. Priority rock move on one and rock type with counter on the other.

>>32608316
Thank god. It would be 10x more annoying if Gale Wings was untouched in the era of Z-moves.

>not using Talonflame cause nerfed
I'll beat you with special defensive Talonflame.

>>32608356
Crobat is such a fucking based pokemon in any format, it's just such a great utility pokemon with a neat typing

>>32609618
What you said applies to literally every Pokemon. I guess that means every Pokemon is broken, huh?

>>32609641
I still can't believe the Zubat line are still the only Pokémon with Poison/Flying typing. It seems like such a no-brainer to give that typing to many other Pokémon.

>>32609604
And then you go to your own counter. The fact that you don't immediately win the game by sending out your Water or Rock type doesn't make Talonflame broken.

>>32608381
He was comparing talonflames nerf to smogons track record of banning certain Pokemon and or moves

your reading comprehension implies a wish isn't necessary.

>>32609585
Just because Rotom-Wash is busted doesn't mean Talonflame also wasn't busted. R-W can literally do everything, what a fucking champion

>>32609643
No, I'm saying that running a counter doesn't mean that you can say a pokemon isn't broken. Like, that's saying Mega Rayquayquay isn't broken just because Articuno can one-shot him with ice beam.

>Scizor isn't good cuz lol Cyndaquil used ember

Now Scizor isn't broken by any means, but this argument over Talonflame not being busted cuz bulky rocks and waters exist is an extension of this. Also it's annoying to have to carry a dedicated counter on every team for it.

>>32608316
Talonflame really was the hero we needed.
I mean, I'm grateful that Volcarona is usable in OU again, but Talonflame getting butchered is allowing a lot more bullshit to slide through the gates.

>>32608588
But it did, seeing as Talonflame was the sole reason why Volcarona was BL in Gen 6.

>>32610063
Look better. He's making a joke

>>32608316

>ruined
it's still 20 times better than the other regional birds sans mega pidgeot. It still has the strongest priorityin the series history. Fuck off, if you were weak to flying there was almost no recourse you could take against talonflame

>>32609641
This. mynigga.jpg

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>>32608316
Its a good thing they nerfed it though. Otherwise Z-moves would turn it's "counters" into checks.

>>32610302
>sans
Kys undertalefag

>>32610576
(You)

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>>32608316
>R.I.P. the bravest of birds... ;_;
But seriously if you didn't know how to handle Talonflame you deserved to lose

>>32610596
If you don't know how to handle Mega Ray you deserve to lose. Fucking retard how about we just let him fuck shit up in every tier then?

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>>32610613
Wait you don't know how to handle Mega Fug??? Wow

>>32608316

The Gale Wings nerf was really so unnecessary this Gen given how anti-priority it is anyway. I suppose Z-Moves change the game a bit but it wasn't worth ruining a Pokemon that really has nothing else going for it (evidenced by it being trash now that the ability has been nerfed).

>>32608406
Mega Kanga can't use Seismic Toss in VGC, and won't be able to use Power Up Punch in future seasons either, so the nerfs she got are fine for them.

>>32608316
Talonflame was the worst kind of cancer. It brought such massive power creep to the game, that game freak couldn't balance it. They could only create things even more stupidly OP and nerf priority across the board. Even still it still has its uses. Simply by existing Talonflame forced players to either bring Rotom-Wash (fight cancer with cancer), or take pokemon that are ONLY truly effective in that match up and effectively useless in others.

>>32609585
>strongest priority move in the game
>priority roost
>can be both bulky (wow, taunt, bulk up...) or full attacker
>great partner with priority tailwind
>access to u-turn
>evades wow, fast enough to evade t-wave-toxic through substitute or u-turn
totally not broken

>try to get Tyranitar in
>will-o-wisp

T-thanks.

>>32610576
Sans means lacking, so what he meant was lacking mega pidgeot

What would Talonflame's counters be today if it didn't get nerfed?

>>32612498
Day doggo.

>>32610589
>>32612463
No one is this stupid on accident.

>>32608316
Gale Wings was utterly broken and needed to be removed, though. They should have given Talonflame a +10 attack boost in return, though.

god damn talonflame still has 126 base speed

against most targets it doesn't even require priority, only against the small margin of faster pokemon, ones that commonly hold choice scarf, and ones with priority did it actually need it

and thanks to the nerf its flying moves can function in psychic terrain when it isnt at full hp so

>>32608316
Should have been called Fletchendary.
Talonflame is a stupid name.

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>>32608316
He was right in the end.

>>32613202
Why are Talonflamefags whiny crybabies? It's ridiculous.

>>32612017
It's not remotely broken. Just naming off positives doesn't make something broken. Talonflame alone will never win you entire matches and still needs support to work properly.
If you want broken flying types, look at Mega Salamence and Mega Rayquaza.

>>32613257
>Overhype the most competitively overrated Pokemon of all time
>Get assblasted when your already fast Pokemon can't use its 81 base attack brave bird with priority or roost

>>32608337

excuse me but tapu lele or psychic terrain kills it off, there's no need for nerf

>>32608316
>A Pokemon needed priority Brave Bird and Roost spam to be usable.
It was probably always a shit Pokemon, then.

>>32613875
>A Pokemon with base 120+ Speed already needing priority

>>32613563
Those are Megas though. One of them has an Uber-tier BST and the other is so busted even gen 1 Mewtwo feels shivers going down its spine.

>>32614326
you didnt have to invest in speed to be good. attack and hp with priority is better than attack and speed to just be fast

>>32613169
you can't just call Talonflame stupid when you just said whatever that dumb shit name is before

>get beat by bird

>normal people logic
Hmmm... I guess I should re-evaluate my strategy so I don't lose to this again. Back to the drawing board

>smogon logic
BAN IT

>gamefreak logic
shit we made a non-legendary/fan-favorite good, better nerf it

Talonflame wasn't broken but it was centralizing. It absolutely forced people to run bulky waters and bullied a ton of Pokemon out of viability and even then it had sets to deal with a lot of its checks.

>>32614516
>smogon logic
>BAN IT
Expect Talonflame was never suspect tested in OU.

>>32614516
Smogon never banned the bird, it banned the shit that was actually op

I mean, you can go in an everything goes match but don't complain if megafug singlehandedly wipes your team

>>32614525

the bullied pokemon should have just got good or learned their place as the low-tiers they are.

I'm sick of this pandering to shit pokemon by banning or nerfing everything. Pokemon should just be a free for all where the best pokemon survive

>but anon just play ubers

fuck that shit, nobody wants to play against megaquaza and mega mewtwo bullshit. I'm talking REAL pokemon without legends

>>32614570
oh boy legend faggot is here
everyone laugh at him

>>32612574
high speed doesn't save it's base 81 atk though

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>>32608316
It was for the best fire/flying ever being good was autism any way. And no Megazardy does not count or at least in vgc

>>32608401
>Slowbro

>>32613169
>not Pyrogrine

>>32608356
>Smeargle got nerfed
What did they mean by this?

>>32615614
dark void got an accuracy nerf

>>32615509
>stealth rock

>>32615629
Actually, Smeargle can't even use Dark Void. Only Darkrai can actually use it.

>>32615521
Slowbro could still lose to some Talonflames , Taunt+Bulk Up/SD with SpDef investment was pretty good against it.

>completely invalidated 2 types that already got the shit end of the stick in competitive
>mandated that you carry cancerwash, fishbulb, or a rock type, all of which can be fucked on after boosts or natural gift/steel wing
Gale wings was fucking retarded

Embird would have been a better name than that dumb shit they picked

>>32618636
I will only agree with you on this if Stealth Rocks is also nerfed/doesn't inflict SE damage.

>>32618636
What the fuck is fish bulb?

>>32608356
Even GF knows 2016 VGC was a meme format, if they cared about balancing it then they'd have nerfed primals, Rayquaza and Xerneas

Talonflame was way more cancer in singles than anything else, it wasn't too common in regular doubles aka VGC 2015