Hyper Beam no longer needs to charge if it knocks out the opponent.

>>32556842
It's still be passed in favour of coverage.

>>32556842
porygon-z banned to AG

>>32556842
Does this also encompass Giga Impact and other recharge moves?

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>>32556863
then greninja would need another tier above AG because hydro cannon spam

Greninja
Protean
Choice Specs

>Blast Burn
>Hydro Cannon
>Frenzy Plant
>Hyper Beam

'no'

>>32556842
Anything with a normal converting ability would gain a serious edge. They'd need power to 110 if you're lucky though

>>32556879
>Battle Bond Hydro Cannon Memefrog
im not sure i want this

>>32556842
Changes a bit. The'll be a lot more Choice Band/Specs Pokemon running around.
>-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Rhyperior Rock Wrecker vs. 252 HP / 216+ Def Landorus-Therian: 226-267 (59.1 - 69.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Mega Pidegot

>>32557481
Yeah, that reminds me... sorry for massively derailing this thread.

>>32556842
Dialga goes from +B to A.
It has a high enough chance to OHKO (after rocks and without specs/life orb):
>Primal Ground
>Ho-oh
>Yveltal
>Mega Sableye
Flash Cannon/Thunderbolt/Fire Blast to RoT into:
>Lunala
>Primal-Kyogre
>Most Arceus forms

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>not mentioning that being mean leads to the bad end

>>32557614
So does the game actually punish cruelty?

>>32556842
>all those choice sets on mons with -ate abilities

>>32556842
People run Hyper Beam M-Gardevoir for sure.

>>32557879
Then maybe she won't be completely outclassed by Lele.

>>32556842

Go watch some Gen1 battles; this is literally how hyper beam worked back then

>>32557875
Only 2 -ate users can hold scarf, which are both slow rock types.

>>32558109

>what is Sylveon

>>32558481
It would have taken three frickin' seconds to google.

>>32558529

>sylveon
>""""""""""slow rock type"""""""""

???

>>32558481
>Sylveon
>Using scarf

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>>32556863
>Pixilate Gardevoir-M
>Banded Rock Wrecker Rhyperior
>BLAST BURN ZARD-Y in the sun

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>>32559681
>Giga Impact Mega Kangaskhan

>>32557132
>guaranteed 2HKO
>doesn't KO
>has to recharge anyway

So nothing changes?

>>32556842

Lillie is replaced by Sylvie. How does SM change?

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>>32562074
Nothing because I want to pat both of their heads

>>32556842
Sylvie no longer has giant awkwardly held claws. How does your opinion of her change?

>>32562039
Clean-up sweepers are better.

>>32556842
A few more normal types used, maybe some more fast sturdy pokemon with reversal

Giga Impact Mega Aerodactyl might be fun.
All that [Deleted] tho