PTCG/PTCGO General

first for garbo is fun

>>32535182

Second for Garbo is trash

>>32535112
>Attach 4 fire energies to a Pokemon
That thing sounds fucking retarded. But hey mega Charizard might see play. Either that or just bench a lele then use it 8 times or something

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>Already up to 70 in SM promo numbers

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>>32535262
It seems that it is actually up to 78 within only three main sets.

>>32535112

>>32526893
Old
>We have a Discord and yes it's alive
Please delet this

>>32535260
>>32535262
>>32535275
>>32535284
>>32535290
pretty, but fucking pointless if you're not going to put a translation up too you twat.

>that one guy who's kinda scrubby but always gets god pack pulls
>pulled both Zoodiac Barrage and Drident when they were worth something
>now pulled Tapu Lele from Guardians
A-At least I have my Weiss SPs

>more shit cards announced

>>32535348
Pokebeach put up translations, the promos are shit.

>>32535262
Lucario – Fighting – HP120
Stage 1 – Evolves from Riolu
Ability:
If you played this card from your hand to evolve 1 of your Pokemon during your turn, until the end of your opponent’s next turn, prevent all effects of your opponent’s attacks, including damage, done to this Pokemon.
[F][F][F] Submarine Blow: 120 damage.
Weakness: Psychic (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 1

>>32535260
Porygon-Z – Colorless – HP130
Stage 2 – Evolves from Porygon2
Ability: Reformat
When you play this card from your hand to evolve 1 of your Pokemon during your turn, you may devolve each of your opponent’s evolved Pokemon and put the highest Stage Evolution card on it into your opponent’s hand.
[C][C][C] Zap Cannon: 80 damage. This Pokemon can’t use Zap Cannon during your next turn.
Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 2

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>>32535386
>Ability: Reformat
>When you play this card from your hand to evolve 1 of your Pokemon during your turn, you may devolve each of your opponent’s evolved Pokemon and put the highest Stage Evolution card on it into your opponent’s hand.

I can see this being useful but I can't imagine in what.

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>>32535386
>Zap Cannon: 80 damage.
>costs 3 energy
>This Pokemon can’t use Zap Cannon during your next turn
>only attack
>only 130 HP

Am I the only person who thinks that Lysandres makes this game a brainless solitaire piece of shit?

What was the game like before this faggot became a card? What will it be like after he's rotated out? Will expanded forever be solitaire because of Lysandre? Fuck.

>>32535397
I guess it -might- be okay to knock out a couple of Eeveelutions? Get 6 damage counters on them, play porygon? But even then, I'm pretty sure there's another card that does it at a lower stage though.

>>32535397
Any spread damage deck, it's like Miraculous Shine but as an ability.

Devolve your opponent's GX bench, 250hp decidumeme turns into 80hp dartrix

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>>32535403
>building a meme deck and getting your shit kicked in when you retreat

>>32535403
gust of wind effects have always been around, in base they were 100x worse because it was an item card, then they reprinted that item earlier in the BW era and had to errata it into a coinflip card.

Look at Omega Barrier Groudon as an example of what becomes viable when you don't have to worry about Lysandre ruining your four turn setup. AKA very slow paced games.

>>32535260
>>32535386
>That porygon with n, delinquent, red card any disruption

Get the fuck out of here decidueye and garbodor

>>32535414
>Making dumb assumptions

Nah, I just had a good set up prepared to deal with a pair of Lapras and the game would have been interesting but instead it was
>Lysandre shaymin
>Ohko shaymin
>Vs seeker Lysandre
>Lysandre Lele
>Ohko Lele (Lapras had a fighting fury belt)

I was prepared to retreat, max potion, geotech system energy onto new guy, attack, repeat. He could have fixed up his glaceon and forced me to build up my Lele and it could've been an interesting game. Instead it was: "that's a low HP pokeeman, I choose to kill dat one lel. Okay now I choose to kill dat one xD. I win!"

I know that that's the risk I have to take when I use Lele and Shaymin but really it can't be argued that it makes the game more engaging.

is psychic infinity the most overpowered garbage in this game?

>>32535470
>trashalanche
FTFY

seriously, can damage change and psychic infinity possibly be defended?

>>32535470
>garbodor exists

literally who the fuck plays mega mewtwo? it's a zombie deck just like mega garde has been ever since Tauros came out.

>>32535485
>Trashalanche
>120 damage if you're lucky

>Psychic infinity
>100 damage absolute minimum, easily 190

>>32535519
>It's old so who cares xD

Quality post, friend

>>32535523
>120 damage if you're lucky
o i am laffin

>>32535534
Okay, it can go much higher than that yes, but usually the player will forego item use if he sees a trubbish, so usually you can prepare for it. The damage increases are entirely the fault of the person facing Garbodor.

With Mewtwo, there's nothing you can do except watch in disbelief as he adds DCE after DCE and plays mega turbo and it doesn't matter if you chip away 100 of his 220hp because he'll just fuckin damage change you and then psychic infinity you next turn.

>>32535458
I don't see how my assumption was wrong.

>>32535549
>Okay, it can go much higher than that yes, but usually the player will forego item use if he sees a trubbish, so usually you can prepare for it.

What you do is with hold putting it down until a few turns in.

>>32535559
Because the retreating I discussed didn't occur, he just picked off my shaymin and lele.

>>32535570
Using Shaymeme should be a death sentence anyway. I bet you spent 60 years setting up didn't you, you disgust me.

>>32535579
You bet wrong, presumptuous idiot.

>>32535590
I bet I bet right.

>>32535549
>if I let my opponent stack energy on a Pokémon, it does really high damage!
You may have discovered a breakthrough in strategy friend

>>32535397
>porgygon 2 a rare candy deck
>n then down to 3-1
>or red card them if you're kinky

Nice

>>32535602
You're either missing the point or intentionally acting airheaded. Either way, consider suicide.

>>32535596
Okay retard.

>>32535616
Flareon, Yveltal, Keldeo, Mewtwo, Lugia, Lele, hell you could throw in M Charizard X and M Rayquaza dragon - all Pokemon that do absurd damage when you stack energy on them. M Mewtwo broke no new ground.

https://nintendowire.com/news/2017/05/14/new-pokemon-card-game-planned-mobile/

I am banic. I don't want PTCGO to be kill...

>>32535803
How do we know they're not just making TCGO natively support smartphones?

>>32535806
because anon... it already does if you just install it via apk and it's honestly perfectly readable...

I do really hope it is JUST that though.

>>32535803
Maybe they'll pull off a Duel Links, aka release a game with only the original cards locked behind the usual gacha bullshit to bait the nostalgiafags and their money.

>>32535874
That type of development would seriously hurt PTCGO though, as PTCGO is still an incredibly small team with no discernible path towards monetization, and could result in PTCGO's closure.

>grind for hours to get the last 50 coins I need to get another legendary treasures promo
>Keep hitting the checkmarks on my bonus wheel
>Get packs as rewards on my bonus wheel (packs that have fucking nothing)
>Finally, FINALLY, get past 600
>Pack one: nothing
>Pack two: nothing
>Pack three: nothing

>>32535917
I don't know man, I started buying cards after 20 years of pretty much ignoring the TCG completely all thanks to PTCGO. I think closing PTCGO now would be a huge mistake on their part especially now after tons of people invested lots of time building up their collection.

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>>32535970
I think you guys should actually see what was in those packs. Pic related.

>>32535993
>2013 + 4
>buying BW sets that aren't Plasma Blast/Freeze/Dark Explorers

>>32536020
>MewEX
>KeldeoEX
>DarkRaiEX free retreat edition

>>32536024
All of which are worthless

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Rotation when?

>>32536052
I guess I'm better off buying malamar?

By worthless, do you mean that i could trade for them on the trade server very easily?

>>32536052
>>32536071
>Replies to post an unhelpful shitpost
>Doesn't reply when directly asked a reasonable question.

Thx mate

dugtrio, toxapexGX, vileplume good meme?

>23:29
>Opponent at 20
>Turn 2

>people who n every fucking turn

>>32536295
I'm sorry, did you want a good hand?

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>>32536295
>play supporters like sex maniac, delinquent, or xerocsic
>always thin muh deck
>oranguru's on the field
>opponent keeps Ning me to try to screw me up

Nice try hotshot next time bring your A game.

Did octillery drop in price in the last few months?

>>32536326
Yeah, it got hyped up rising in price for things like Maxie's and Greninja and both of those decks fell out of favor, so Octillary did too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOIRO4mWr7A
>opens booster box
>only gets 1/3rd of value back
Is like 99% of all box value concentrated in 1 card or is pokemon tcg just bad to gamble on?

>>32535400
I assume people who designed it thought the devolution part is the real deal with it and having a shit attack and HP balances it out.

On another not, it's always fun seeing Pokébeach people getting mad over new cards not being broken, but when something like that comes out they also get mad about it.

>>32535386
>PorygonZ
>Mfw I just built a metagross deck that relies heavily on rare candies

They're really shilling for all-basic 2-prize low energy attack monsters aren't they? What's their end game? To make the game more accessible to new players?

Is NinetalesGX just a shitty TurtonarorGX?

>>32536417
This. Why would they make cards that completely invalidate other cards? Now any deck that uses rare candy either has to accomodate for free devolutions porygon or accept that they will get utterly screwed by decks with porygon every time.

>>32536438
>>32536417
To be fair you get the evolution back to your hand, so generally they'll just focus on killing one of your pokémon. You kinda just need a beefy basic wall to switch in when you predict the Porygon-Z dropping.

>>32535397
>hit with promo koko a few times then reformat

Is incineroargx the worst (and ugliest) GX card ever?

>Stage 2
>3 attachments for 1:2:1 probability ratio 80:130:180 damage

>>32536451
You get the evolution back but you don't get your rear candies back, so you're left stranded with the basics.

>>32535509
By running stadiums so they can't bust out a damage change whenever they feel like it.

>>32536458
Oh right forgot about that, yeah that sucks

>>32536417
>not running 4-4-4 and relying heavily on drampa instead

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I just tried to log in to the game, but it said my info was incorrect even though i literally have both username and password on remember me, and i was logged in last night. I go to reset my password and it now wants a symbol added in with the upper case, lower case, and number. Am i the only one contracting this form of cancer?

>>32536503
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>>>32535112 (OP)
>>>32526893 →
>Old
>>We have a Discord and yes it's alive
>Please delet this
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>>>32535260
>>>32535262
>>>32535275
>>>32535284
>>>32535290
>pretty, but fucking pointless if you're not going to put a translation up too you twat.
nope cant log in either.. give it time my friend

>>32536524
wtf did i just quote?

>>32536524
But now im sure my password is flagged for reset and now i need to add fucking symbols to my password. I'd rather just quit the game

Login server is fucked i think.
Tried logging in multiple times always get stuck at 0% and says could not connect to login servers.

>try out the game
>rules are not bad, seems like it'd be fun
>one million types of boosters
>cards that have the same effect but different names
>cards with the same name but different art and effects
>can't see shit on the cards about what rarity they are or what expansion they're from
>can't find anywhere in ap that explains what expansion is what format

is this supposed to be confusing as hell jesus christ

also what are some good theme decks besides the Incineroar one ? Are Lunala and Solgaleo ones any good ?

>>32536832
>>rules are not bad, seems like it'd be fun
This was your first mistake.

>>32536836

Maybe some cards ruin it, I don't know, I'd expect it considering how many cards they're seemingly shitting out, but the core mechanics are solid, playing shit decks is fun.

>>32536832
I'm of the opinion that Lunala deck is strictly better than Incineroar but it falls behind against decidueye deck. So I play Decidueye in theme.

Standard is every booster that you can buy in the store.

Just use bulbapedia is you want more info outside of the card search in the game.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rarity

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>>32536842
> playing shit decks is fun
This is why I play.

>>32536832
Get out while you still have your sanity this game will ruin you

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>>32536870
>this game will ruin you
But it's the cheapest tcg...

>>32536877
Cheapest living TCG you mean.
Which still isn't true, pauper is a supported MtG format and the decks average about $60.

>>32536877
you dont lose a lot of your money but you lose your mind

nah it's a fun game. it's always funny when you beat a meta deck with a original meme

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>>32536883
>$60
bruh

>>32536896
Theme is not a supported Pokemon format.
If you're talking kitchen table shit MtG is best, because the bulk cards actually often do cool things.

>>32536832
>can't see shit on the cards about what rarity they are or what expansion they're from
Rarity and expansion are usually on the bottom right of the card. Circle for common, diamond for uncommon, star for rare. Sometimes an expansion will have even rarer cards in the set with some special rarity, like three stars, or a white star. More recently they started putting them on the bottom left instead.
The expansion is also on the bottom right, each set has its own unique icon which is printed next to the rarity. Promos will usually have a black "promo" star and a promo number in place of a rarity and set icon.
Another distinction of rarity is holofoils, variations of cards that have a holo effect either on the artwork of the card (regular holo) or everywhere on the card except the artwork (reverse holo). There are only regular holos of rare cards, commons and uncommons can come as reverse holos. Similarly, there are a few special cards, Pokemon EX and their ongoing replacement Pokemon GX, both of which come as regular art and full art versions, the latter featuring more expansive artwork and sometimes a texture.
As for formats, standard is currently XY Primal Clash onwards, expanded is Black and White onwards, legacy (an unofficial format but used in ptcgo) is HGSS through to Legendary Treasures. There's also unlimited, which allows any card from any set, as long as it isn't explicitly banned (like Lysandre's Trump Card) but you can only play that online by inviting people into a game, there's no matchmaking for it. Format rotates in September, no one is sure yet what'll be kept and what'll go.

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noob playing tutorial here, does energy type not matter? is the type just like a skin in cs, are all energy cards the same or what?
My attack requires a basic energy, doesn't it?
Why the fuck is a thunder energy valid?

>>32537203
The colress symbol means any energy can be used for the attack
> does energy type not matter
Dont you see the weakness and resistance?

>>32537208
ah, my bad.
btw should u always retrat a pokemon to the bench if it has low hp so the enemy cant get his price card?

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what are these?

>>32537214
Not always, your opponent can bring benched pokemon with lysandre and get the knockout anyway.

>>32537222
Cards in deck/discard pile.

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>>32537236
should u always place all the pokemon in your hand on the bench? i know its good to always have one so you don't lose the game, but since there is no hand limit, should u keep them in your hand?

>>32537247
btw ignore the picture, accident.
can u retreat and send out a benched pokemon in the same turn?

>>32537247
There are some attacks that deal damage based on how many pokemon you have benched (zoroark bkt, entei aor) and benching unnecessary pokes often leads to lysandre snipes or lysandre stalling.

In a real, big boy game, your hand is also vulnerable to constant disruption from N, so if its a pokemon you need to play, play it when you get it.

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>newfags

>>32537414
You was one too.

>32537427
>

>>32537454
Take a pic. Are you asleep or paralyzed?

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>>32537469
Neither, but my pokemon only has 10 hp left and will die next turn and my opponent will thus get to draw a price card, so why wont the game allow me to switch out evee for pickachu??

>>32537475
Oh, i guess its just the tutorial forcing you to attack.

>>32537481
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>>32537481
Why can i summon electabuzz but no evolve pickachu? Is it not 1 summon or 1 evolution per term?
>>32537501
man what is ur problem he help me

>>32537519
>ur

>>32537519
Can't evolve a Pokemon on same turn unless you use a item, stadium, or ability that lets you do that

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>>32537530
It is not the same turn, i play pickachu the turn before that, as u can see i can summon the other pokemon.

Why am i not allowed to play pokemon center lady??? I need the hp badly

>>32537542

Did you use Tierno that turn?

>>32537572
u mean the search engine for evolution? if so, yes

>>32537579

Nah, the Tierno on the top of your discard pile. You can only play one supporter per turn.

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>>32537581
ok, is supporter card and evolution max 1 exclusive per turn?

Is it not allow to armed your pokemon if its not on the bench?

>>32537591
You can evolve as many pokemon you want per turn

Will that finally make my boi Incineroar good?

>>32537668

No, but Ho-Oh might.

>>32537668
Kiawe+Fliptini

>1st edition prints of Japanese booster packs will be guaranteed to contain at least one secret rare or higher
So other boxes are guaranteed none? I thought SM made 2 per box.

>>32537591
jesus fucking christ. Have you tried playing the tutorial?

I have 25 GUR. Someone convince me to keep them to trade with instead of playing the Lele lottery.

>>32538618
How many Leles do you have?

>>32536883
>pauper is a supported MtG format

you lying sack of shit

>>32538631
One RA. I wouldn't mind an FA instead. I haven't found a need for two in a deck yet, but I might.

>>32538697
If you only have one, grab a second one for the future and open gur from shop and trade away if necessary

>>32536052
You should kill yourself.

>>32536474
My deck IS 4-4-4, maybe it shouldn't be though, I rarely use the metangs.

What does drampa do for an evolution deck?

>>32537203
>>32537222
>>32537247
>>32537475
>>32537519
>>32537542
>>32537591

You should kill yourself.

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Mega Evolutions were a mistake.

Who approved these insanely overpowered cards?

Also why didn't they just make Rayquaza scaley instead of giving him le epic shiny plastic skin?

Why does every motherfucker get a double colorless energy exactly when they need it?

And when the FUCK does mega mewtwo, DCE for 180 damage edition, rotate out of my format?

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Wish me luck lads

>>32538975

It might as well already be gone my dude. Nobody in their right mind is playing it with Garbodor around.

>>32539023
If you post codes sure, otherwise I hope you get a Drampa

>>32539036
You wish, I'm going use them. You guys are spoiled

>>32539023
WIshiwashi GX HYP

When formats rotate and a card has multiple reprints, can you keep using the card that came out from a set that got rotated out in standard if there's its reprint in a newer set?
Or are you forced to run the latest reprint?

>>32539024
Why not? All it needs to get going is an ultra anal, a spirit link maybe, and some energy lotos if you really want those DCEs.

>>32539066
Ultra ball*

>>32539066

>ultra anal

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539070
>ultra anal

>>32539060
As long as the text hasn't changed, you can use an old version of a card that has been reprinted. For example, you can still use the Yveltal EX from XY Base Set even though the set has rotated, because it was reprinted as a tin promo.

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539066

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

at least three of these are samefag.

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

>>32539093
>>32539107
>>32539134
>>32539156
>>32539211
>>32539237
>>32539244
>>32539256
>>32539296
These were all me ;)

>>32539023
Welp nothing too crazy but it was above average on the pulls. 8 gx from the box and the mallow from the elite trainer box. I'm happy with it. No metagross or wishiwashi to be seen

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539332
>>32539303
:P

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32539066
>Ultra Anal

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Could someone recommend me a deck to built that is similar to the play style I like?

I LOVE my Gyarados deck, but it gets a bit stale playing the same thing over and over.

The things I love are:
>GIGANTIC damage 1 shotting Megas and GXs with Magikarp and bands.
>Makes you think a good bit about your resources and if it is better to make one play with using your draw, recursion, search cards over another.

I have just about all the current pokemon in the meta in sets of 4 but I just can't really think of anything that is similar to my deck. So could anyone recommend me something? Other than Garbador and the Ghost bird sniper from hell?

>>32539580
>has a playset of all the cards in the meta
>I can't think of anything to build guys!
End your life!

>>32539580
Who gives a shit about the game, we're too busy being reddit right now

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

Haven't played since the release of the first Sun and Moon set. What's changed? New staples? Any new and actually good decks?
I've got a booster box of each new set coming, no idea what the card values are these days. Is it time to ship off my Shaymin hoard yet for a replacement?

>>32539604
It seems so...
>>32539601

>>32539580
Night March.
Garbodor.
Passimian.
Vespi/Flareon.

That's about it really.

Stop boys, we are better than that

>lose coin flip
>oppnents starts
>turn 1 lasts 3 minutes
>draws 38 cards in one turn
why is this allowed

>>32538836
no u
What do you have against giving advice?

>>32540241
Because you're an idiot asking stupid questions that could easily be answered by spending five seconds on google. This is game for six-year-olds, it's really not that complicated.

>>32540378
Oh no! Someone asked the PTCGO a question about the PTCGO??? What a fucking crime. Do everyone a favor and get over yourself, holy shit.

it already reeks of summer

>3 out of 5 matches are some variant of Garbodor.

Wow, this has probably been the worst expansion ever.

>>32540557
I think garbo is gonna be a little less cancerous after rotation, we loss trainer mail and vs seeker, so 6-8 less items in our decks

>>32540403
>PLEASE SPOONFEED ME
Nah, get killed.

>>32540403
to be fair, you were asking how the game worked while playing the fucking tutorial, maybe try fucking playing the game a bit so you have questions that aren't automatically answered through either playing the tutorial or reading the rulebook which is the shortest and least complex of virtually any TCG in print.

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>>32539066
Put me in the screencap!

Here's my current expanded koko list. Please give suggestions for fine tuning.

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 15

* 1 Shaymin-EX ROS 77
* 1 Jolteon-EX GEN 28
* 1 Raikou BKT 55
* 4 Tapu Koko-GX GRI 47
* 3 Tynamo NVI 38
* 3 Eelektrik NVI 40
* 2 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60

##Trainer Cards - 35

* 1 Computer Search BCR 137
* 2 N PR-BLW BW100
* 2 Lysandre FLF 90
* 4 Super Scoop Up FFI 100
* 3 Aether Paradise Conservation Area GRI 116
* 1 Lillie SUM 122
* 2 Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear PHF 92
* 2 Max Elixir BKP 102
* 2 Fighting Fury Belt BKP 99
* 2 Level Ball AOR 76
* 4 VS Seeker ROS 110
* 1 AZ PHF 91
* 1 Field Blower GRI 125
* 4 Ultra Ball FAC 113
* 4 Professor Sycamore PHF 101

##Energy - 10

* 10 Lightning Energy 4

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******

Current ideas are:
The deck sets up fast, I haven't really used ffbs, might remove.
Thinking of running 3-2 or 2-2 Eels line for more consistency cards.
Might remove raikou, as it's mostly just a non ex attacker, and energy attach target so I don't waste kokos on the bench, and I have found it can clog up bench space when I can't hit scoop ups.
Deck is currently 11wins/16

>>32540650
>everything is spoonfeeding
Nah, get killed.

>>32540738
I wasn't the one asking the question. How about instead of answering like a fucking edgelord, the person be told, "Hey, you're playing the tutorial, pay attention." Jesus christ. I get it, we're on 4chan, but does that really excuse acting like a complete fuckhead?

Sylveon vs garbodor who wins?

I want to try and make a deck which beats all these garbodors

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>Sylveon vs Sylveon

>>32540852
Sylveon can just search, flare grunt, and attach energy, while not giving garb the items it needs.

>>32539580
Vespiquen by the sound of it. Same kind of thought has to go into exactly what you are going to do with your resources each turn, and can hit hard and fast if you do it right.

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Who /slowplayer/ here?

>Doing something else while playing the match
>Have audio off so I can't even really notice when it's my turn
>Don't even give a shit because my deck bricked once again and I can't really make a comeback

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

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>>32540906
>Punishing other people for your own ineptitude

>>32539679
well it is only the second SM set so you're not far off. Unless you missed that set too? Decidueye/Vileplume became a big thing but will hopefully die once FoGP rotates. Tauros-GX is the best standalone card form the set. Energy Evolution Eevee returned meaning T1 GX eeveelutions. Umbreon is pretty great but falls a little short of whats required. Espeon can be useful but again, not it's own archetype. Kukui and Lillie fit in a lot of decks. Lurantis has future potential. Lapras is pretty shit competitively but you since it's a cheap no-Shaymin build and braindead to use, it's all over the client if you play there. Team Skull Grunt is the surprise card that actually works.

GIR pretty groundbreaking though. Tapu Lele is Jirachi 2.0, meaning you can afford a lot of strategies that were impossible in standard before, relying on one-of supporters. Online, it's a 25-pack card for the base rarity. Which is good news since the new Garbodor is causing what's been called a metapocalyse. If you meet Garb now, you simply can't use all those item cards you usually would like to. The other key cards include Choice Band, Tapu Koko, Field Blower, Aqua Patch, as well as Sylveon-GX (but the latter is not as impactful as people are trying to force it to be). Oh and all the new Stadiums seem to be pretty fucking good across the board.

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>>32540836
>refusing to do your own research and instead asking someone to explain it to you
>not spoonfeeding

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The Best

>>32540975
I lost track of myself in my rambling. Garb is fucking up item use, which helps you see why Lele being able to search out the right supporter at will is a good thing.

>tfw you win too many games so you don't win the opening coin toss for days

>grass damage challenge
>play Vespiquen
>accidentally click Intelligence Gathering

http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/sun-moon-guardians-rising-card-highlights/
>article devoted to hyping Lele
BUY GUARDIANS

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You can't lose to Trashvalanche if you don't play any items

>>32541047
Be patient.

This happens with Tauros all the time.

>>32541058
>starting hand is trainers mail, 3 VS seekers, 2 float stone, and a hoopa
>top deck/trainers mail to find a sycamore

And this is where you press the concede button against garbodor.

>>32539973
>>32540894
Thanks guys, Ill try both nightmarch and vesp.

>>32541104

And that's why we need a third party to decompile the TCGO's RNG to see if anything funky is going on.

>>32541058
You can't play garbodor if it's banned from play :^)

This wont stay they're bound to ban it from standard and expanded, I give it after worlds when it's shown how broken it is

>>32541105
here is a good Vespiquen build for standard. Anything to stop you becoming another cancerous cell in the tumor that is nightmarch: http://thecharizardlounge.com/2017/02/13/bullish-on-vespiquen-with-sun-and-moon-updates/

It's a little dated what with GIR out now. Megas are probably dead so Klefki could be dropped for something different. But it was a damn fine build with Zoroark just a week ago.

>>32541174
Well I just checked and I saw that nightmarch wasn't in standard right now so I wont be playing that sadly. Thanks for the link dude.

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>>32541131

>>32541197
It's falling a little behind the times since GX upped the HP cap from 180ish to 240ish, but with Choice Band in that cap can be reached again. It's a fine line between discarding what you need to reach the KO numbers and not cutting yourself short. It will probably lose to Garb nine times out of ten but on the bright side, Lapras doesn't stand a chance. I'm a big fan of the Zoroark build, but Zebstrika instead is going to be more and more relevant when Burning Shadows drops.

That site is very good and there are other good articles about the deck just older. The guy Wambolt has been a big pusher of Vespiquen even when it was out of favor. Everyone wrote it off when Compressor rotated as being able to be viable - except then it stomped on a lot of people's predictions.

>>32541058
I just raped it with Trev and I played a ton of items. They just couldn't ever attack.

>>32540852
Depends of garbo's partner, if lele and any other, sylveon wins
if trev , garbo wins

>>32541131
>ban garbo
KEK
E
K

>>32540852
Sylveon wins and it isn't even close

The new Guardians Rising theme decks are better than the Incineroar one?

>>32541540
Lunala has good attackers but incineroar is still more consistent.

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So the 100 packs I bought from eBay finally showed up... and... xd le epic number!

I've already bought a Sylveon set. Should I get DCE now or wait a bit longer?

>>32541838

Open them all.
Right now.

>>32541843
No. Do you think DCEs will go down in value?

>>32541875
No, if anything GUR packs will go up like RSK did since Lele is going to be the best card in standard come September.

>>32541875

Right now I see SR DCE go for 50 GUR packs average.
SR UB from SM is the same as well. I think they'll both stay at ~50 packs of whatever the latest set is.

N is the most brainless cancer card in this entire format, I'm so fucking sick of it. Just N and hope it gives your opponent a dead hand.I got bricked by N's three fucking times last game.

You can't make any plays across turns because of it at all.

>>32542111
You wouldn't be saying shit if you were the one to brick the other guy. N is fine.

I am such a jew

>>32542172
I have done so multiple times, it doesn't make N any less of a brainless card that has applications in virtually any gamestate.

It's early game shuffle support and hand disruption, as the game goes on longer the shuffle support weakens while the hand disruption strengthens proportionate to how badly you're losing/winning.

The weakened shuffle support even has its own application in restoring decksize lategame. It does way too many things. Sycamore now has a card to punish it in Garbodor. Where is the card to punish shuffle support spam? I could see it now

Ability: Stop making my game so tedious
Any time either player plays an effect which requires either their or their opponent's deck to be shuffled, that player must place two damage counters on their active pokemon. If both decks are shuffled from the same action, they must place four.

>>32542271
N would honestly be fine IMO if it couldn't be used first turn.

Oh boy. I can't wait for 5 hours of maintenance

Is there a good deck with SM Lanturn?

>>32542380
If it was a dual type water/electric it would be usable with aqua patch. In fact it would actually be a meritorious card, not a great one but there would be a reason for running it.

But they decided to stop doing the dual type shit already. So not really, maybe you could use it with Electrode and basic waters with Manaphy support or something but it will never be anything but a shittier Raikou.

>Sylveon mirror
>going first
>expect a long, long match
>I started a silent lab, energy and DCE
>he had nothing
>win T2

Wow.

Is Excadrill/Dhelmise the most hilarious meme of this expansion? I can't think of a more enjoyable one to play.

Energy disruption meme was the worst conceivable thing to possibly add to this game.

>>32543110
b-but it's been here since the beginning sempai

>>32543110
All the shit cards they put in here that let you stop your opponent from getting to play the game were a mistake.

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>>32543388
Totally balanced and fair RNG

>>32543464
N is the penultimate bullshit.

His name has to stand for Nigger.

>opponent is taking his sweet time counting daisies in our match while playing the most annoying gengar deck ever

god thing i can minimize my screen

>>32543563
>N is the penultimate bullshit.
What's the ultimate bullshit? I've honestly never seen an N hater who doesn't think he's the biggest bullshit around.

Started this game 3 days ago and got Lycaronc GX as my first GX, is it possible to make at least a low ladder team with it?
I also have two Garbodor but no Leles.

>>32543636
You could probably make an annoying energy discard deck

>>32543636
If it's the GR Lycanroc then yes, he works well as either a primary or secondary attacker. The SM one is still okay just not as good.

You can make a functional Lycanroc GX/Raichu or use it in Garb as a tech card.

You still have a lot of cards to get first though, read the guide.

>>32543651
>>32543649
Yeah it's the GR one, also thanks.

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>He is still playing night march

cute

>>32535112
What are some good cards that can negate stuff like Viplume item card lock down?

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>>32539066
>ultra anal

>>32543733
To clarify, something I can put into my Gyarados deck,

>>32543696
Another reason why Flareon / Vespi is a better deck,

Don't get fucked with 2-3 of your attackers dieing at once,

>>32543740
The matchup is an autoloss m8.

Not only can the vileplume turn off your items but the decis can snipe your magikarps for free prizes.

Your only hope is they dead draw when you hex them or tech a wobb and hope it maybe slows them down.

It's still like a 90-10 or 80-20 even if you massively slow them down. Hell, they don't even have to go for Vile against you, they just need 2-3 Deci for free prizes.

>>32543759
Well right now I am trying out Bronzong over Octillary to counter off both Deci and Espeons but I just cant think of anything to deal with the god damn flower other than Hex Main but with that you just can't accomplish enough in that one turn to counter her as I need some way to pull her in consistently, but the only option for that is Lysander unless I am missing some other option. I mean there is catcher but coin flips care pretty cancer.

>>32543133
Yeah, let's turn the game even more simplistic and uninteractive. Might as well become cavemen and beat each other with our boss card clave.

>>32543696
>tfw I keep getting all the other Oricorio forms

>>32543759
Oh! You think maybe instead of Bronzor I try Garbador to eat both Deci and Via?

I play 4 choice bands because I like getting there to kill GXs when Karps are scarce.

Maybe I could rush putting a tool on him evolving him asap with it on him turn 2 before Vileplume is in play?

>>32536376
Yes it literally is. Tapu Lele.

>>32543789
>>32543834
I mean you could run machoke but it doesn't change the matchup in a major way.

Garbodor is an option but honestly it's a dead card in too many matchups.

I think you just have to take the autoloss and try to bolster your other matchups. Deci is probably going to be dropped in large numbers in GR due to the rise of Travalanche and Sylveon which both dunk on Deci pretty hard.

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Taking requests on meme cards. I don't have work tomorrow.

>>32543858
Travalance? Also does Bronzong not work for eating feather arrows and Espeons GX attack?

>>32543867
Sleep powder GX should put all opponent's pokemon to sleep.

>>32543875
Sleep Powder GX should say "put opponent to sleep."

>>32543858
Oh the 20x for items card from Garba

How does Sylveon GX work well against Vileplume? Can't they just replay it fully next turn using the stadium? You can only use its GX attack once.

Double posting two times in a row.
I am so disappointed in myself.

>>32543889
You delinquent then plea them or something.
What specifically Sylveon can do to fuck Decidueye depends on a host of factors but Sylveon can consistently fuck up Decidueye.

>opponent sets up Vileplume with no float stone
for what purpose?

>>32543110
>he didn't endure super energy removals

you don't know what disruption looks like son.

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>>32544083
>vileplume stuck in active
>snipe the benchline

Hello,

where does summerfriend ( me ) should begin? There is many booster pack to choose from and it confuses me very much, what is standart rotation?

Much thanks

>>32544110
Why do you type like that also if you f2p play themedecks till you grind enough cards

>>32544122
Hello,

Thank you for reply! I was more thinking of playing Online game until I pick up the ropes and after that going to locals, are promos and themedeck cards allowed in them?

How do you beat turbo darkrai
? the deck keeps kicking my ass

>>32544216

item lock it before its first turn, just like how you beat every other deck

>play water deck
>face grass item lock
>play fire deck
>face water decks

FUCK THIS

>>32534278
On standart i just copypasted the darkrai list with 1-1 electrode and it does fine.

Am I the only one who wanted to fuck the shit out of moon when she had her hair up and tits out

>Scheduled Maintenance

FUCK OFF

>>32543867
>Puts to sleep
>Can't retreat
Unless you meant it can't retreat for the rest of the game. Then yes, that's fair, grass is a weak type, it needs more disruption to make it relevant.

>>32543863
Anon, I like old stuff, would you make a broken Sneasel? Like it was in neo genesis? I know we've got Weavile, but I want a Sneasel GX, please :)

>>32543863
How are you doing them? Dekromany sucks dick to edit well.

>>32543812
>Beating the strawman this hard
Have you ever played with a deck with no hammers against an opponent that also doesn't use them? You remove one annoying portion of the game and it's still interactive (and less frustrating).

By your logic, unlimited should be the most interactive and fun format.

Increasing the number of easy disruptions doesn't make the game more interactive. Removing options from each other just makes the game luck driven.

>>32545301
This game has no interaction, period. Aggro is boring, disruption is cancer. But the card game is easy to play and I like the art so I play it anyway. Plus the online client is polished.

>>32545301
The mechanics here are even more "soliterey" than fucking yugioh of all tcgs.

>>32542111
N and Vs Seeker are the most stupid cards in the game right now.

Lysandre is also annoying, you just can't put a card in your deck if it needs more than 2 turns to set up (unless it is Primal Groudon). But without Vs Seeker, it wouldn't be such a problem.

>>32545372

N and Lysandre are the best part of the game. They are two of the few cards that force players to think critically.

>>32535458
>I know that that's the risk I have to take
Yes, and it wouldn't be a risk if it had no consequecences ever.

You shouldn't be complaining, you put both on your bench. If that didn't give you enough advantage, you chose poorly wether to play them or not.

>>32543863
Had a good kek, thanks anon

>Still on maint

Shit game, I hope the mobile app kills it.

>>32544103
but trevenant can't snipe from the bench

>>32544132
is this bait?
if not, all the info you seek is in the first post of the thread.

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>>32545320
>the online client is polished.

>>32543863
>>32543867
Man these cards are too OP!
What the frick are they thinking?

>Can't scan qr codes on the ipad version of the game
For what reason

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>>32546012
Is the game even up? The game keeps giving me this whenever I try to open it.

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>Pokemon you like will never get GX/EXs so you have to make them yourself

>>32546098
Try downloading the installer again and reinstall the game.

I fucking hate Evolutions packs, just give me one single token instead.

>>32546012

That was removed a while ago, it apparently violated Apple's terms and conditions.

>>32546567
>every free pack from login and mystery boxes are evolutions or fates collide

make it stop

>>32545423
>think critically

OH SHIT IM LOSING BETTER N AND HOPE IT BRICKS HIM
OH SHIT IM LOSING BETTER LYSANDRE SOMETHING AND HOPE HE CAN'T FIND A SWITCHING CARD FOR A FEW TURNS

>>32545372
Primal Groudon is the hilarious example of how terribly Lysandre deforms the meta. It's the only decent card that can't be Lysandred, and as a result it's the only pokemon that takes more than 2 turns to set up that is even remotely usable.

>>32546710

>don't bench dumb shit
>it can't get lysandred
>thin the deck and hand
>you can hardly get bricked

woo lad I just solved your problems

>>32546710
The counter point to that is it forces opponents to think of their next turn and how they will deal with your possible lysander or N play.

While I do agree that it's frustrating to lose because of having someone use N or Lysander, it's also your responsibility to play around it.

The only card that's inexcusable in any way is Lysandre's Trump and that got banned thankfully.

I just read Oricorio doesn't use your discard pile but the opponent's, are there any good mill decks or anything of the sort?

>>32546767
Even if there were the only decks that run enough Pokemon to feed Oricorio are Vespiquen and Decidueye.

>>32546739
>lol just don't play consistency cards and accept the fact that anything support poke with a retreat cost of more than 1 is just inherently shitty to play with because of one effect
>and just accept that you can't play any pokemon that takes any time to set up because it will just be lysandre'd. Long live the meta of big basics that attack for 2 attachments! XD

>>32546743
the mindgames argument is kind of moot when it comes to N because N just randomizes your hand based on how much you're winning. If you're winning a lot it has a higher chance to give you a shitty dead hand because you have less cards. I mean yeah, you have to play cards down because your hand isn't a safe place to hold resources due to N and increasingly, team skull grunt. But then again, your bench isn't a safe place for them either unless you have an omega barrier Groudon sitting there.

>>32546767
Oricorio is just the hard counter tech to vespiquen and night march.

>Only got 3 wheel boxes in the whole day
>Every win keep hitting those goddamn same three boxes over and over instead of the unopened ones

>>32545928
Hello there,

I am to infrom that no I am no bait. I'm just dumb idiot from malaysia! Thank you for reply, I didn't read the first post carefull enough to see that my question were answered!

Thank you!!

>>32547010

Play switch. Float stone. Escape rope. If a lysandre loses you the game, you lost the game before the lysandre was ever played. Build a better deck. A deck might start with Pokemon, but the vast majority of it are trainers that support them.

And yes, long live the big basic meta. People forget what the game is like when it's stage 2s. It's incredibly slow and far less creative because unevolved basics and stage 1s/rare candies are incredibly boring cards that take up slots that could otherwise be consistency cards or interesting techs. People talk as if pokemon has only recently gotten into big basics with black and white. Big basics was the meta in the game that people originally fell in love with back in base set. It's not going anywhere. Metas with primarily evolved pokemon might as well be the exception. If it's what you're looking for, you should have stopped playing a long, long time ago.

>N just randomizes your hand

You control what is in your hand and in your deck. You control how many cards you take off of N. It's inexcusable/extremely unlucky to be N'd into a bad hand in expanded. Standard isn't a whole lot different. You should still draw most of your deck before you are in a position to be N'd. Thin your deck throughout the game, Pass up a knockout if you know an N would ruin you.

>>32546012
Apple want a slice of their in-game profits. Some disagreement about whether the code cards being sold in regular packs qualifies as in-game profits. Apart from that, they would need to sit out a three-week long approval process every time they patch.
idk, so said the devs. They are pretty clueless at the best of times so who the fuck knows.

>>32546140
Poor choice of pic. Mediocre legitimancy re font/placements. Balanced moves.
6/10

>>32547146
>draw most of your deck before you're in a position to be N'd
>then die to Garbodor because you just pulled through 15 item cards
>oh also lmao gl if item lock is up, have fun trying to draw into your Olympia after getting t1 locked t2 lysandre'd

Also base was pretty bad. It was kind of fun to play but Haymaker was t0, there were maybe 6 cards difference between you and your opposing deck in any given match. Electabuzz, Hitmonchan, Scyther, Magmar, Mewtwo Promo, Ditto. Those were the only cards you would ever see in 9/10ths of matchups. Sole exceptions were rain dance and DTW (which usually used some haymaker pokes as well) but generally speaking Haymaker would win those matchups automatically if it moved first.

Not nearly as god awful as neo era was though. Honestly I don't know a single person who didn't quit the game during neo or early e-reader. The only guy I know who actually played during ex 1.0 was young enough that it was his first experience with the TCG. Between babies and feraligatr being literally solitaire it's incredible that anyone managed to keep playing.

>>32547010
the game has provided many many cards to allow you recuperate being hit with either of these cards. E.g. Octillery over Shaymin. If you chose to play instant draw over long term draw, yet find you are often late-gamed down to not-enough-cards, then you need to reconsider your deck-building skills.

>>32547268

You talk as if Lysandre and N are the problems in those scenarios. Good one.

>>32547268
I remember seeing something in Nintendo Power about some kid winning a huge tourney with Charizard.

Im doing some tests and think the new theme decks are in fact better than incineroar

>>32547534
Yeah they seem to be more consistent and the boss mons don't roll over and die to shit coinflips

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Has this ditto gimmicky set ever been used successfully?

>>32547534
I think Lunala's is the most consistent one, her attacks are plain good and can only get better, the second one even lets her distribute the energies the moment before she gets KO'd. To not talk about Altar of the Moone.

Solgaleo's instead can job to Incineroar's if you don't play Altar of the Sunne asap and his attacks can be played around by anyone who isn't a retard, even though you can oneshot basically any themedeck boss mons.

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>mulligan trev break
>topdeck trev break
>acro bike, first card is trev break

S H U F F L E T H E D E C K

>>32547676
The little kid ruins that gif because he braces before going under. It ruins the joke.

>>32547691
Malcom in the Middle would eb a 10/10 show without Dewey.
Still amazing as it is desu.

>>32547676
>acro bike
>in trev

There's your first problem bud.

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Is the Sylveon GX deck any good? I've seen people saying it's tier 1, but it seems like it loses hard to a first turn Silent Lab/Wobbuffet/Hex Maniac

>>32547757
It makes people ragequit at least. The other day I first turn Hex'd then used VS Seeker for it the next two turns and the guy just stopped playing.

>>32547757
It's a provisional T1, it''s never be an absolute 1 like Yveltal, Darkrai, Deciduplume, or Volc because first turn effect negation fucks it so hard, and everyone's running effect negation due to Vileplume and to a lesser extent Shaymin/Lele/Hoopa.

>>32547757
It has good matchups with every deck because of it's first and it's only auto loss is to steel which has no place in the metagame right now.

Funnily enough, it's worst matchup in the metagame right now is probably metagross GX but that card is so irrelevant right now. After that it's Volcanion probably.

It'll probably end up tier 1 in the same way that greninja was. Both are good but both do not like going second.

>>32547757
Every deck is forced to run Lele and Hex because of it. If you don't you just may lose, depending on which disruption cards Sylveon is running.

>>32547835
I should also note even then if they start two Eevees they're starting with a massive advantage. Once two Sylveons are out the only bad matchup is efficient steel like Excadrill or item lock, and even then item lock can just brick once Sylveon discards all the DCEs.

>>32547841
>item lock
>bad matchup for Sylv

Lol, it's one of the easiest matchups unless it's Lurantis.

You Hex, use items, use the versus seeker you got to get back the hex, and repeat until they lose the game by deck out. They also can't repeatedly N you like most decks due to item locking themselves.

Sylv has so many win conditions and techs that it's ridiculous. If they aren't energy efficient then energy denial, if they play passive then hit them for 110 dmg or shaymin KOs, if they run through the deck trying to pressure you then deck them.

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>>32545170
Yea I was half asleep myself making them. Idea was that it can't retreat at all anymore and that you would need to flip three heads to wake it up.

>>32545274
What's Dekromany? I just made them from scratch in Photoshop.

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>>32547827
>Metagross is irrelevant

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>>32545197
Here you go anon.

Has Trick Room ever made an apearence in TCG?

I was imagining a way to make it work, so bear my autism.

>Ability:Trick Room

When this pokémon enters in play, each pokémon have [C][C][C] less retreat cost. If a pokémon comes to have less than 0 retreat cost, that pokémon retreat cost becomes [C][C][C][C].

Accepted or rejected?

>>32548112
>float stone
Useless like all other retreat cost gimmicks.

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>>32548046
I'M UNSTOPPABLE! MUHUHAHAHAHA
>ptcg keep flipping the coin until server catches fire

>>32548122
>Ability:Trick Room

>All Pokemon cannot have a retreat cost less than their original retreat cost.

>>32548112
Only way it'd work is if it had an effect on energy costs.

Like something like:
>all energy costs above 4 are reduced by two colorless
>all energy costs below 4 are increased by two colorless

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>>32547438
No huge tournaments were won with Charizard, maybe some local or some shit, maybe in the absolute babby age bracket. It's Nintendo power, it was probably shilling.

You couldn't even really use it with energy burned DCE since the language on fire spin said discard 2 energy cards rather than 2 energy. And there was no real energy acceleration other than Blastoise which is also a stage 2, only a shitload of energy disruption. I can't even think how you'd make an actually functional Charizard deck that can deal with the disruption base set had.

This was the card that ultimately made Rain Dance Blastoise viable as the only true haymaker alternative (again wiggly often ran haymaker cards because it was the Mega Rayquaza of its day and needed bench warmers/good starters). Once you got going you could completely block your opponent from having more than one attachment on the board at a time and drop OHKOs on them every turn. But if Haymaker started Electabuzz and moved first it was over.

Some Haymaker decks also ran Muk which hard countered Blastoise (and it would have countered Charizard if it was worth running lmao) at the expense of being useless in the mirror which was the more common matchup.

>>32548186
>>all energy costs above 4 are reduced by two colorless
This basically does nothing. It should give free retreat to all Pokemon with 4 or more retreat cost.
Doesn't Pokemon use effect layering like MtG, or does, say, a Float Stone always trump an Aqua's Secret base or something?

>>32547841
Sylveon gets destroyed by any deck that can get a Wobb start unless it can topdeck a Sylveon, since it runs literally zero search cards and usually only one or two shuffle supports.

>>32547666
Solgaleo is slightly worse because it bricks more. I ended with a few turns not attacking playing with it.

>>32548202
Float stone wins because it nulls retreat cost, you can make the pokemons retreat 50 but float still nullifies all retreat.

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