Did Volcanion deserve to be the lowest-grossing pokemon movie

>>32456322
It's a shit legendary. Nobody cared.

The 20th movie is bound to do better simply by being a Kanto remake movie.

I don't care if it deserved it or not

The 20th movie is as it is because everything since like the Keldeo movie has been the lowest-grossing Pokemon movie at the box office

Why you think they went back to dog/canid shilling? nearly everybody loves dogs

It's unfortunate because it was probably the best movie we got in a while, the 20th is bound to do better, though.

>>32456322
I hate how the two legendary Pokemon in this movie had nothing to do with each other except shoehorn plot. They could have replaced Volcanion with a big stern man who caretakes for Pokemon and nothing would have changed.

>>32456372
>>32456380
>>32456392
But they can only celebrate the 20th anniversary once, and they can't rely on nostalgia forever, can they?

>>32456322
Yes. It's one of the ugliest things I've ever seen

>>32456322
The movie would have been way better if Volcanion wasn't a literal white knight character. "I want to save Magearna for it's own sake" Fuck outta here with that enabler bullshit.

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>>32456413
>They could have replaced Volcanion with a big stern man who caretakes for Pokemon and nothing would have changed.

>>32456322
There was almost no shilling for Volcanion or Magearna gamewise. The plot had absolutely nothing to remotely do with the game series. It just didn't make sense as a whole.

>>32456594
The pokemon maybe, but the movie made him an entertaining character.

>>32456322
It followed on from two other relatively shitty movies, it was at the end of the gen, it's arguably not as interesting of a Pokemon.

So yes.

>>32457519
It may make sense that it bombed for those reasons, but it still didn't deserve it because it was a much better movie than the previous two.

>>32456322
Also because its a pokemon movie

These films tend to end up at bargin bins in supermarkets for less than five dollars

UK fag here- seen the hoopa in morrisons(UK supermarket) for £3

Pokemon Movie Tier Chart:
>Spell of the Unown
>Mewtwo Strikes Back
>Rise of Darkrai
>Heroes
>2000
>Destiny Deoxys
>4Ever
>Jirachi the Wish Maker
>Ranger and the Temple of the Sea
>Arceus & the Jewel of Life
>Lucario & the Mystery of Mew
>Zoroark: Master of Illusions
>Genesect and the Legend Awakened
>Giratina and the Sky Warrior
>POWER GAP
>Victini
>every XY film
The new film's gonna suck too, I guarantee. For all that potential, they botched it by shoehorning in NotDawn, another aloof Lucario Trainer, and an edgy rival who hates friendship all to push popular Pokemon, it feels less like a 20th Anniversary love letter and more like an sad cry for grown up Pokemon fans to take their kids to the theaters in a Ghostbusters-like move. Ho-oh deserved better.

>>32456380
>everything since like the Keldeo movie has been the lowest-grossing Pokemon movie at the box office
The Zoroark movie came right after Keldeo and according to this it's the third higuest grossing Pokemon one after the first two, just a little ahead of the third one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_anime_films
This surprised me a lot seeing how Zoroark is often disregarded as a "failed Lucario".

>volcano/geyser themed pokemon in french region
>french maid robot in hawaiian region

why?

>>32459906
The Zoroark movie (M13) came out two years before the Keldeo movie (M15).

The movies that came out after Keldeo's focused on Genesect (M16), Diancie (M17), Hoopa (M18) and Volcanion/Magearna (M19).

>>32459518
>heroes being that low
objectively false

>>32459906

I'm surprised the Keldeo movie is the 7th highest grossing Pokemon movie seeing how awful it was.

>>32459906
>not even a single XY movie did more than 30mi
What went wrong? I thought the XY anime was supposed to be popular

It's the year of our lord Jesus Christ, 2017, and people STILL act like the Keldeo movie was bad.

>>32459518
Victini should be dead last.

>>32459988

Just because there's a few severely autistic serenafags/armourshippers doesn't mean it's popular

>>32456322
The movie is fucking good, but for a land where SAO is loved (self insert character) or shit like the seasonal animes of nowadays are a hit is normal that a good product end up in the trash.

>>32460056

>pokemon anime
>good product

>>32459906
The Zoroark movie was also shown during the Pokemon mall tour. Everywhere that the tour stopped had a theater screening it all weekend. We wouldn't have bought tickets except we were already there for the tour. Every show was absolutely packed. So that may have "unfairly" inflated numbers.

>>32456322
The movies had been going downhill for a long time, and that's saying something.

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>>32456322
It can't be helped. Not enough people care about the shit anime anymore.

As for the effect on future movies, see the 20th anniversary one. The failure of the last one is why they're using "Kanto" name in 20th movie, despite it having NOTHING to do with Kanto, and they're including Lucario, Charizard, Pikachu and Piplup, all in the same one movie. Because they're scared of a repeat. This is how it will affect future movies. Make them go all out on pandering, to make the movies sell.

I, for one, welcome this change. The pandering has made me want to watch a Pokemon movie, something that hadn't happened since the Arceus one.

>>32456380
>The 20th movie is as it is because everything since like the Keldeo movie has been the lowest-grossing Pokemon movie at the box office

This is wrong though, since the Genesect movie made more money than the Ranger and the Temple of the Sea, Pokemon 4Ever and Pokemon Heroes movies which came before it did.

Rankings of Pokemon movies by WW Gross

1.The First Movie (1998) - $163,644,662
2.The Movie 2000 - $133,949,270
3.Zoroark Master of Illusions - $71,143,529
4.Spell of the Unown - $68,411,275
5.Pokemon Black and White - $57,082,491
6.Arceus and the Jewel of Life - $50,673,078
7.Kyurem vs. the Sword of Justice - $46,008,255
8.Giratina and the Sky Warrior - $43,338,599
9.The Rise of Darkrai - $42,496,749
10.Lucario and the Mystery of Mew - $37,150,760
11.Destiny Deoxys - $34,337,258
12.Jirachi Wish Maker- $33,393,751
13.Genesect and the Legend Awakened - $32,293,377
14.4Ever - $28,023,563
15.Ranger and the Temple of the Sea - $26,851,324
16.Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction - $26,732,338
17.Hoopa and the Clash of Ages - $22,000,000
18.Heroes - $20,867,919
19.Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel - $20,200,000

To be real for a moment,I know many people here are too young to remember ( or weren't even born) the time during which Pokemania began to wane. The franchises popularity didn't just slowly go down, shit plummeted, with game sales essentially halving and box office grosses crashing like mad. It honestly felt like the series went from super popular to unpopular among my schoolmates and friends overnight, it was fucking weird to witness.

Like, look at the difference between the gross' of the first two movies and the rest of the Gen 2 ones, the the drop from the 3rd movie to the other movies. Fucking unreal.

The series has obviously stayed relevant and continues to do well, but don't believe those people who claim that the Pokemon Go frenzy last summer was anything like the good days of Pokemania, it wasn't even fucking close.

>>32459961
Fuck me I forgot Genesect exists and filled the blanks with Zoroark since it stars a Gen 5 pokemon.
Sorry.

>>32460277
>first two movies sell tickets like crazy
>M3 does okay but definitely not as good as the first two
>pokémania dies and M4 and M5 sell like shit
>M6 sells a bit better, and up to M13 almost every movie actually grosses more than the one before, M9 being the only exception
>from M14 onward the movies start earning less and less money again
>then starting from M17 the movies fucking die
Really makes me think

Why were the DP movies so popular anyway?

>>32460545

DP legendaries were literal gods fighting each other, kids found that cooler than whatever the Lati@s and Manaphy movies were supposed to be.

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>>32460277
>mfw some of my favorites are among the ones that did the worst

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>>32460112
>Make them go all out on pandering, to make the movies sell.
Damn straight.

>>32460277
>7.Kyurem vs. the Sword of Justice - $46,008,255
The more time that passes the more I'm starting to rethink my first impressions about the Kyurem movie. Wasn't it good with critics or something? I guess if you ignore the BW anime it could seem like a good time waster at the very least.

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>>32460807

>Wasn't it good

No.

>>32456322

All the movies are shitty, I can't believe these actually get released in theaters in Japan. They all follow like 2 main formulas.

Some guy is portrayed as a villain because he *gasp* wants to catch a rare pokemon, and then ash and friends run away from the villains shitty pokemon the whole movie. Or 2 legendaries are mad and fight each other for some reason as ash takes a back seat while some new generic anime character calms them down with a flute or some shit.

>>32460830
The first and the third are for me great films (in japanese) if you watch the dub is your problem.

>>32460277
I'm surprised the AG movies did so poorly, when AG itself has the second highest ratings after the OS in both Japan and the west. I don't get it, did everyone skip out on the movies or something?

There was a lot of hype for the Deoxys movie in particular when it came out, and Lucario is considered one of the best movies in general.

>>32460807
CGI use aside, I thought it was pretty good. It benefits from having a smaller scope and focusing completely on Keldeo as a character, with Ash and friends as sidekicks rather than forced protagonists, and the situation with the "villain" was unlike any other movie before or since. It's also very short but thankfully devoid of filler scenes other than the opening credits.

>>32460813
That was surprisingly well animated.
What the fuck.

>>32456322
>watching the dub

>>32460830
Does that mean the Player Character who wants to catch every pokémon and complete the Pokédex is a bad guy ?
Why would they send contradictory messages ?

>>32461172
Yes.

>>32460830
>>32461172
Usually the villain wants to catch a rare pokemon in a cruel and inhumane way and/or doesn't care that doing so will destroy nature or something.

>>32456322
No pokemon deserves to be tied to the worst product of the entertainment industry op. Of course volcanion doesnt too.


Alas

>>32459115
It was legitimately a good movie, but calling it better than the other two XY films is like saying you eating chocolate ice cream is better that your house burning down or you getting syphilis. It had to be better than the other two by virtue of the fact the director would literally need to come to your house and projectile diarrhea up your nose for your viewing experience to be any worse.

Official Tier List:

God Tier:
Mewtwo
Entei
Deoxys
Volcanion

Great Tier:
Lugia
Darkrai
Zoroark
Lucario

Good Tier:
Shaymin
Latios
Genesect

Meh Tier:
Celebi
Jirachi
Victini

Shit Tier:
Manaphy
Arceus
Kyurem
Diancie
Hoopa

>>32462214
Based tier list is Based

>>32462214
I would move Volcanion down a tier. It was good but not the best.

>>32462214
>Lugia being that low
>Volcanion being that high

>>32456322
More nostalgia pandering, they are not ready to give up their annual movie production

You think we'll ever get a movie that panders to Gen 5 nostalgia?

>>32463141
Who would be nostalgic over that shit? People only tend to feel nostalgic about things that are good.

>>32456560
If the upcoming movie is an attempt at nostalgia-baiting, then the writers don't have a single idea what they're doing. Many nostalgics are going to look at Ash's companions and immediately lose interest.

>>32463641
Well Hoenn gets a lot of nostalgia tho

>>32463678
Hoenn was better than UnovAAAAAAAAAAGAMEFREAAAAAK!!!

>>32462012
why dont the cunts just play the game i mean god

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>>32456322
>yfw ho-oh gets a voice

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Most of the kids that palyed pokemon back then are adults now and nowday kids are not as interested in pokemon. Most of the pokemon game are bought by the 90 kids and they don't watch the movies anymore. Those numbers are just going down by the time passes.

>>32463141
>Expecting the neglected child that is Gen V to get any pandering whatsoever

Were any of the gen 5 movies good? I think the Darkrai movie was the last good one.

>>32464483
The pokemon movies in general started going downhill considerably mid-DP.

>>32460875
First Movie, dub screwed, dub treated Third Movie decently, however.

>>32464483
I consider the Keldeo one to be among the best >>32461007
The Victiny ones are at least interesting because of how they play with the fact that the games get two versions.

I think you could tell that not a lot of people cared about the Volcanion movie (maybe including the staff themselves) since they didn't even bother getting popular seiyuu for the side roles.

>>32460813
>water jet pony
the fuck is that shit

>>32462214
>>32459518
>>32462529
What's so good about the Lugia one other than the way it was advertised as epic?

>>32456322
I wish we learned more about this cool city, and that it was in the games.
In fact most of the movies suffer from not making us care enough about the new setting that will need to be saved.

>>32459518
>>32462214
A survey from japan:
Which movie left the deepest impression on you?

1 Mewtwo Strikes Back
2 Guardian Deities of the Water City: Latias and Latios
3 Mew and the Hero of Aura Lucario
4 Wishing Star of the Seven Nights: Jirachi
5 Dialga VS Palkia VS Darkrai
6 The Mythical Pokemon Lugia's Exposive Birth
7 Sky-Splitting Visitor: Deoxys
8 Celeby: a Timeless Encounter
9 The Emperor of the Crystal Tower ENTEI
10 Pokemon Ranger and the Prince of the Sea Manaphy
10 Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet Shaymin

>>32469190
>Left the deepest impression
>The movie with Latias that high
Hmmm....

>>32470124
>>32469190
Seems Japan prefers more emotional connection movies. Notice both the Jirachi and Manaphy movie are there, likely because of May/Max's interactions with the legends. As is the Entei movie with Molly.

>>32466034
>The Victiny ones are at least interesting because of how they play with the fact that the games get two versions.

They actually really really aren't.

The only thing different is shooping Reshiram/Zekrom in different spots, the plot sucks, the villian sucks, and it's another "cute tiny legendary steals the showtime from the big legendary we want to actually see"

>>32471186
There is also Gothitelle/Reuniclus and the intro's setting.

>>32471186
Victini gets better if you watch it enough, but they really did squander the concept. Unless it was a mistranslation they originally advertised the shota and the loli as being exclusive to their respective movies, but in the final product both appear in both and do nothing in either.

>>32470156
The jirachi movie is pretty good and underrated, i prefer it over the deoxys one.

>>32471186
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/M14#Differences_between_the_films

Was the Steam Siege tcg expansion meant to promote the movie or vice versa?