>Actually a fast, frail special Ice type >Good secondary

It's a decent suicide lead, but its outclassed by azelf in that regard.

>80 ATK
Why?

>>32425303
Just give it a decent ability and some extra Special Attack and it's good to go.

>>32425380
>Ability: Refrigerate
>HP: 70
>Attack: 65
>Defense: 70
>Special Attack: 105
>Special Defense: 70
>Speed: 110
How'd it go?

>>32425370
You have to remember were it comes from. As it evolves from snorunt and is a counterpart of glalie, it has the same stats but arranged to be faster but more frail, while keeping glalie's same 80 Atk even if it doesn't help froslass at all.

It really does look like a pokemon that would have ninetales' or gengar's stats, but sadly it does not.

>>32425392
>refrigerate
>when its best special normal move is fucking Round

>>32425461
Then it gets Hyper Voice.

>>32425392
I was thinking Snow Warning but I guess that works too.

>>32425470
> -ate + Hypervoice meme
This has to stop

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>>32425303
Alolan Ninetales exist
The better fast and frail ice type

>>32425392
>>32425574
Technician is the answer and you know it.
>90bp frost breath that always crits, resulting in a spammable 135bp move with near perfect accuracy
>90bp hidden power
>90bp ominous wind, potentially giving +1 to all stats
>60bp ice shard

>>32425303
Mega when?

>>32425703
This. If Ninetales had 20 more special attack, it might've been flawless.

I really like the design though. Probably my favourite ice type.

>>32425370
>>32425440
>ITT why does this pokemon not fit into my description of what it should be
its mixed you cucks
its got a great physical movepool its just nintendo brand handicapped by all its weaknesses and lack of bulk

>>32426197
>Nintendo brand handicapped
What

>>32425685
You're right.

We need -ate + Boomburst instead

>>32426238
>What
What

>>32425913
I don't think Tecnician Frost Breath/Circle Throw works in 6th gen onward, since it went from a 60BP move x2, to a 80 or 90 BP move x1.5. It deals the same damage, but doesn't work with technician anymore.
Or maybe I'm wrong, I dunno.

>>32425685
>meme
>when 5/8 -ate/ize users have Hyper Voice
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it some trendy meme

>>32427657
>implying that's not literally what people mean when they say meme

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>fast, bulky special ice type with freeze dry
>still shit
It's time for even GF apologists to admit Ice needs fixing.

>>32427830
>gains a resistance fairy
I would be diamonds.

>>32426197
>its got a great physical movepool
>A GREAT PHYSICAL MOVEPOOL
The only physical moves a Froslass should ever consider running are ice shard and sucker punch, or crunch if you think it can hit anything STAB shadow ball wouldn't hit better. Speaking of, ice fang and ice punch are both outclased by access to ice beam, blizzard or hell, even weather ball under hail.

It doesn't even get shadow claw, shadow sneak, knock off or swords dance. Add to that 80 base Atk is shit nowadays and leaves it vulnerable to burns and contact damage.

Special movepool includes noteworthy coverage such as thunderbolt or weather ball under sun, rain or sand. Shadow ball and ice beam are its best STABS, also gets draining kiss and psychic.

Playing mixed offense with as little as 80 in both stats is so detrimental to froslass that I don't think it has any reason to ever run physical moves outside of ice shard or sucker punch. Going full physical would also be kinda dumb. If anything, froslass should get nasty plot, dark pulse and moonblast and it'd be a lot better. Or lost attack points to raise SpA to at least base 100.

Gamefreak might have made it mixed but that doesn't mean it should be, were GF not stupid hacks.