>HA changed to Magic Guard >Learns Thunderbolt, Thunder,

>>32338344
Still RU, becaus of the powercreep. But yes, it's much better

>>32338344
Not bad, I think if you wanted to make Delphox OU tier though, it would need something like:
>Hidden Ability: Drought
>Delphox now learns Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Moonblast, Nasty Plot, Agility
>Reduce HP, Attack, Defense, and special defense to 70, 60, 70, 80 respectively
>Boost Special attack to 132, boost Speed to 122

Think it might compete with the power-creeped meta now?

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>>32338344
I would be happy with just a better movepool, as this >>32338703

Also a such levitate+speedboost ha could be nice

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>>32338344
You wanna make it good? Make Magician a Knoff Off that is active on ALL of its moves. Also the new attacks you mentioned are good.

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>>32338765
So... you think all delphox needs is just a better movepool?

What about Chesnaught?

>>32338927
>Chesnaught
>deserving buffs
Fuck off. Only Delphox deserves that.

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>>32338976
in the shadows of greninja, every starter deserves a buff.

Even as a phoxfag, I know this to be true.

>>32338976
Fuck off, Delphox looks like ass. Chesnaught isn't much better, but don't act like Delphos deserves more.

>>32338776
This. And give Delphox 1 move per type.
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Dazzling Gleam
Dark Pulse
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball
Power Gem
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Sludge Wave
Air Slash
Signal Beam
Flash Cannon
Aura Sphere
Tri-Attack

A wizard needs a Spell Book

>>32339070
I think the only issue with that is that is that unless those are meant to at least be three fourths TMs, delphox now only learns one psychic move and one fire-type move.

>>32338927
Chesnaught's got access to attacks of almost every type, so maybe it needs a stat buff or Bulletproof needs to affect more moves? It's not at 535 BST yet, so maybe it could get more HP?

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>>32339104
I can agree with that. Maybe also give it drain-punch too?

>>32339117
ORAS move tutors.

>>32338353
Delphox is now NU.

Honest question: Why do Delphox fans want it to be an almost exact copy of Greninja stat wise? I think it's fine as it is... It's not like it would make it more popular anyway.

>>32339152
I don't it to be as good as Greninja, I just want it to be somewhat good. If Delphox is going to get Magic Guard, it should probably be as a Mega ability rather than an HA.

>>32339091
They are (unless TMs don't exist like Power Gem or Aura Sphere).

The point is that Delphox gets AT LEAST 1 Move for each of the types.

>>32339232
They could make Ancient Power a tutor move again.

>>32338927
Chesnaught doesn't really need anything, it's pretty decent as is. If you want to make it OU you'd need to make some pretty ridiculous changes though.

Would Technician or Competitive be better hidden abilities for the Fennekin like? The latter one sounds like it suits them since Fennekin is said to be hot-tempered at times.

>>32339295
Competitive is very situational and there isn't much technician can help with other than hidden power and shock wave. Magic guard is great for entry hazards and statuses. It has access to wish so even defensive CM could be decent but of course not OU or anything.

>>32339535
Either way, Magic Guard is miles better than Magician as it currently is.

>>32339553
When blaze is the superior option you know you fucked up.

>>32339070
great idea.

>>32338703
>if you want Delphox to be OU, just make him another pokemon

>>32339560
Just like Primarina with Torrent and Liquid Voice.

>>32340416
>implying that isn't the only way to do things when your competition is practically a pseudo legendary with a broad enough movepool to never be weak to any one type at any given time.

>>32340428
Liquid Voice works in doubles, at least. It has SOME use.

>>32339133
That's what I'm saying. OP's buffs would boost it back up to RU