How can we improve Tauros to be a powerhouse once again? Would

>>32328899
tauros is and will always be shit lol

No, but a mega or a really good boosting move like Dragon Dance could save it

Huge Power + Extreme Speed

This thing has a crazy Special move pool but cruddy physical move pool.
Ice Beam, Blizzard, Solar Beam, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, and Surf, but only 40 base SpAtk. Poor thing

>>32328899
Only way to make it good is A Mega.
He can hold an item like Mega Fug
Gets Huge Power
+50 Attack, +50 Speed
Also he gets a Physical Boomburst that can lower the opponents Defense, call it Bull Shit

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>>32328947
>Also he gets a Physical Boomburst that can lower the opponents Defense, call it Bull Shit

It wouldn't take as much as people think it would.

>>32328899
1. Add Body Slam back to his level up moveset so you can have non-RBY or non-transferred SF BS Tauros.
2. Make breeding miltanks have a 50% chance of hatching a Tauros.
3. Give it a few more Forceable Moves, like Flare Blitz, Dragon Rush, Play Rough, Etc. via breeding.
4. Give it one of GF's 10 point BST boosts, buffing Speed to 120.
There, UU at least, maybe BL

>>32329037
Hell, even Spark would let it chunk MAero and Keldeo for good dommage.

>>32328899
Pre Evo with miltank giving it egg moves
Flare blitz maybe reckless

>>32328899
Give it lightning rod and more sp atk so it can meme in the rain and doubles

>>32329019
like what?

>>32331596
>75/100/95/40/70/110 stats
>sheer force

It really just needs some extra moves for sheer force. maybe extra speed and attack

>>32331747
Just to add to this, Nidoking is UU and a OU-viable special wallbreaker solely thanks to Sheer Force and he does that with 85 speed and special attack. Imagine what Tauros could do if he had an equally large physical movepool.

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>>32331780
>SF-boosted Flare Blitz and Spark
Throw Iron Head on there too because fuck faires

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>SF-boosted Flare Blitz, Spark, Iron Head

make it normal/fairy and give it huge power

>>32332805
>>32332794
add play rough for the hell of it

>>32332805
>>32332794
If we gave it Slack off with this, would ut be more viable?

Give it Huge Body, it doubles all of its stats.

>>32332813
Not thinking big enough.

Body Slam, Flare Blitz, Spark, Iron Head, Play Rough, Zen Headbutt, Night Slash, Waterfall, Bulldoze, Stone Edge, Poison Jab, Trop Kick, Force Palm

>>32328899
literally just give it back the 30 spa it lost in gsc
people really underestimate just how good sheer force is

>>32332863
bulldoze is still weaker than earthquake with sheer force + life orb

body slam now has 100 bp

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>>32328947
>Also he gets a Physical Boomburst that can lower the opponents Defense, call it Bull Shit
I shouldn't be laughing this hard.

>>32328899
The reason why it was good in Gen 1 was because it was like Persian, but with coverage to beat like Rhydon. Now there are just so many better options and the existence of Steel types makes it struggle in lower tiers.

>>32332981
Drill Run, then

>>32333087
Moves with increased crit ratios aren't affected by sheer force.

Which is really fucking dumb

>>32328899
that reminds me, with gen7 out and about I should check to see if LASER TAUROS has any relevant OHKOs in OU

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>>32333523
yeah. Reminder that kingler gets One (1) physical move for sheer force and that's rock slide.

>>32328899
+ 10 Atk + 10 SpA + 10 Spe and Taurosite and a new move.

Mega Tauros [Normal]
Ability: Sheer Force
75
120 (+10)
100
110 (+60)
90
135 (+15)

New Move
Taurine Overpower [Normal][Physical]
90BP 95% 10-16PP
This move inflicts damage. If the target is knocked out with this move, tauros raises its Atk and SpA by 1 stage.

Now Learns Extreme speed

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>>32333636
>raising both attack and special attack by one instead of just raising attack by 2/3

>>32333636
>Taurine Overpower
Wouldn't "Bullrush" be a better name?

>>32333921
It's a mixed attacker in mega form you fucking bozo, of course raising both would be good.

>>32333636
>Taurine Overpower
that sounds like bestiality porn

>>32328899
>Flare Blitz
everyone in this board needs to stop suggesting moves before looking at their distribution

notice how it only goes to fire types and fire-themed mons?

>>32334478
You could justify it by saying Tauros is burning with rage.

>>32334544
except that's not how the distribution works, faggot. the only non-fire types that get it are sun themed.

>>32334575
The sun theme wasn't even a thing till gen 7. If they want to tweak the pattern of the distribution they can.

>>32334434
the move itself is physical, why would you use it if it was special attacking?

>>32334478
Tauros can learn wild charge, flamethrower and fire blast and fucking blizzard.
Flare Blitz isn't far fetched at all.

>>32328904
>will always

It was a fucking god in gen 1

>>32334726
Wow, it's almost like their distribution isn't as restricted as Flare Blitz.

Why don't you ask for Draco Meteor as well?

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>>32334739
Draco meteor doesn't get sheer force boost, that's why.

>>32334727
Let's be honest though, gen 1 was basically who loses Alakazam last

>>32334766
Alakazam didn't have Gen 1 hyper beam off a 100 attack stat.

>>32328947
The animation is literally Tauros projectile shitting on the opponent like when Mudsdale uses Mud Slap

>>32334777
No, it had STAB Psychic to rape pretty much everyone

>>32334720
Have you seen it's special movepool, making it a mixed attacker is a huge buff for it

>>32334766
No, alakazam wasn't as great as he was made out to be. A paralyzed alakazam is a dead alakazam.

>>32334765
Even if it did Tauros wouldn't get it, because he doesn't fit the criteria.

>>32334801
>implying STAB normal didn't rape everything in gen 1 but Rhydon, Gengar and Golem

And Tauros had earthquake to deal with them.

>>32328922

Do they've still do that retarded movepool shit with normal types or was that just gen 1?

>>32334814
It's just Gen 1 shenanigans.
Being a Kaijumon or Normal type in Gen 1 means you get to learn nearly every TM

>>32328899
Give it Head Charge

Being bouffalant exclusivr is bull shit

>>32334837
head charge is just double-edge with less recoil.

Tauros has bigger fish to fry

Gets Head smash right? It should if it doesn't

Make him faster

>>32334837
More like Bouffalant being the same shit as Tauros and not a split evolution or different typing is bulshit

>>32328899
>new ability: Increase damage from charge moves and get no recoil from charge/recoil moves
>give it flare blitz, wild charge, dragon charge

>>32335040
>dragon charge
What?

>>32334883
>afrobreak
taurous isn't disco enough for that move

>>32333921
Sheer force and an huge special movepool.
Also Mixed attackers are always better than one-sided ones.

>>32335059
>Also Mixed attackers are always better than one-sided ones.
This was literally never true. Ever.

>>32334766
>>32334801
Don't pretend you knew the meta. Tauros is undebatably superior to Alakazam in gen 1.
Also psychic was pretty shit.

I'm >>32333636
I've came up with some neat idea.
As I stated, first just gives it some few buffs to its base stat.
75
110 (+10)
95
50 (+10)
70
120
Then give it a new mega and some new moves, including its new signature move.


Mega Tauros
75
115 (+5)
100 (+5)
110 (+60)
80 (+10)
140 (+20)
Type: Normal
Ability: Sheer Force
The idea is to make it a fearsome all-out mixed attacker, with its huge mixed movepool and sheer force to boost most of its special moves and with a great speed.
I want it to have some vibe of rby Tauros. Back then it used to run bubble beam and I think it deserves to have a special attack usable stat.
To keep being sticked with this idea, I've come up with this move, which is an homage to gen 1 Tauros

Taurine Rage [Normal][Special]
BP 130 Acc 90% PP 5-8
Tauros shots a laser from its mouth, dealing damage to the target. After using it, Tauros need to recharge for one turn. If the target is knocked out with this move, no recharge is needed. 20% chances of paralyzing the target. Sheer force doesn't apply to this particular move.

Learns Extreme Speed now.

How would you improve Tauros while keeping Intimidate as it's ability?

>>32335491
physical wall/attacker?

but more importantly, Tauros has sheer force, it doesn't need intimidate.

>>32334727
Persian > Tauros

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>>32335512
I just want my ribbon buddy here to be a little better.

>>32334824
Zigzagoon and Furret learned all sorts of shit iirc

>>32335557
I'd probably just go with a good physical set

>double-edge / body slam / return
>earthquake
>stone edge / wild charge
>pursuit / x

Choice band/scarf

Give him extreme speed.
And make rock climb a tm.

>Tauros used to be real strong, huh? I was the one who thought up that one. But Blizzard was a bit too strong, eh?
what did he mean by this?

>>32329037
Not improving its special attack to 60 so it can bitch the fuck out of most steel types with recoiless sheer force lo Fireblast and giving the middle finger to Landorus T with ice beam.

I don't think you are trying hard enough.

Seriously I get that VP hates mixed attackers but you don't even need to suicide with Flare blitz or force 252 highest atk 4def and 252 speed on a 110+ mon to be good.

Give Tauros body slam and boost its special atk by 20 and he is golden, 10 speed if you really, really want to make him forced borderline.

>>32335074
Fireblast Garchomp, Pheromosa, Tyraniboah, surprisingly Heatran making work of its attack stat for stone edge, Mega Absol fireblast is nothing to scoff at and sometimes a better bet than superpower, Grass knot Mega Metagross, mega Fug, Arceus, Hoopa-u, Genesect, Kyurem B if it had a movepool, Victini and Mega Diancie.

>>32335870
I'm pretty sure every other Pheromosa was running ice beam, too.
Granted, its offensive stats are ridiculous to begin with.

>>32335875
Pheromosa is ridiculously good due to ice beam giving the middle finger to Landorus T.

Seriously the whole existence of dedicated walls like Skarmory, Mega Sableye, Chansey, Landorus T as a blanket check to most set up sweepers and ferrothorn makes mixed wallbreakers better than set up sweepers as win cons in singles 6v6.

Superpower Thundurus I and Tornadus T deserve a special mention as well as hydreigon for being surefire "fuck you Chansey" Buttons.

Pheromosa is infamously good for z focus blast and lo ice beam fucking everything that could stop an offensive pivot like her and u turn for pursuit trapping the things she can't beat at all due to her movepool.

Mixed attackers are great and I don't know why VP never realizes how good they are.

>>32335916
I think it's really just the mentality of minmaxing.

Most pokemon have one good attack stat, so it's always easy to look at and think "ah, with the right nature, I can sacrifice an attack for more bulk or speed". Thinking about pokemon that need both attack and spA is a bit more complicated, because then you have to sacrifice bulk or speed.

>>32335949
Are these the same folks that complain about stall being unfun? I can just pack brave bird tapu Koko and assblast balance half of the time, something similar happens with mixed Garchomp and Victini, most of the time stall only has one answer to them and dislikes to eat a Draco Meteor on the switch or to be swords danced on its face only to realize quaggy can't stop it and they have to sacrifice their dugtrio to avoid the sweep.

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>>32328899
what the fuck are you talking about? Tauros has never been this much of a powerhouse since plasma blast, I think even before.

>>32335225
Well I just realised that a para chance on a move that must ko the enemy to be effective may not be the best design choice.
Then ignore the last effect and just give back to Tauros its body slam (which won't paralyze anyway but at least...)